Michigan State Po-Po downloading smartphone data on minor traffic stops

[dogmush]

not so!  there are many who will never be cowed,  the internet is full of them.

so with consent or warrant?  whats the beef again? 

One more time, this one's for the cheap seats.

The fact that they have the ability, coupled with law enforcement's tendency to push limits when they think they can is enough for me to be unhappy.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

you have the right to pursuit of happiness. 
your "happiness" is not a right.
so to recap there is no violation?

[Doggy Daddy]

so to recap there is no violation?

Oh, anybody with life experience and no agenda to promote knows there's a violation somewhere.  Probably several.  It's just that the violators have plenty of practice at dodging, obfuscation, hiding, and lying.

DD

[dogmush]

you have the right to pursuit of happiness. 
your "happiness" is not a right.
so to recap there is no violation?

You seem unclear on how the government works.  They work for us.  If I'm unhappy, and I can get enough other people unhappy there doesn't need to be a violation.  We can change the rules so they can't do that just because enough people were pissed.  So we talk about things that make us unhappy with our friends, and them with their friends until we get enough unhappy people, then we make the cops throw away their bad toys.

Secondary purpose:
See that part of my statement about "if they think they can get away with it"?  If enough people are pissed and being loud about possible misuse of these devices, then they won't think they can get away with it.  This kind of discussion can prevent violations in the unlikely event that they aren't already occurring. 

Again, why are you so all-fired determined to give the cops every scrap of power and authority they can grasp?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

and they can hide it from the aclu?  and all the folks on the net?

[Doggy Daddy]

Thanks for the reminder.  I forgot to mention their syncophants, defenders, and other assorted broken records.   

DD

[dogmush]

and they can hide it from the aclu?  and all the folks on the net?

They have in the past.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

really?  could you be more specific?  bearing in mind the peculiar fact that were they , in fact, successful we would not know about it at all.

[Doggy Daddy]

bearing in mind the peculiar fact that were they , in fact, successful we would not know about it at all.

QED!

DD

[dogmush]

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

[Doggy Daddy]

Lessee... MISP wants to charge the ACLU a half million to respond to the FOIA request.

Per http://www.rcfp.org/fogg/index.php?i=pt2

Paying fees
 
Agencies may charge “reasonable” fees for the “direct” costs of searching for and copying the records you request, unless you are entitled to fee benefits or waivers. (For instance, representatives of the news media do not pay search fees; see below.) Search fees generally range from $11 to $28 per hour, based on the salary and benefits of the employee doing the search. Fees for computer time, which are described in each agency’s FOIA regulations, vary greatly. They may be as high as $270 per hour. Photocopying costs are normally between 3 and 25 cents per page.
 
Search fees may be charged even if few or no documents are located in response to your request. Unless you are requesting information for a commercial use, agencies may not charge you for the time they spend examining files to determine what individual documents should be exempt from disclosure or for deleting material in those documents. News media requests are not considered “commercial” uses.
 
A “representative of the news media” is a person or entity that gathers and disseminates information of current interest to the public. In addition to traditional broadcasters and periodicals, it encompasses freelance journalists and sometimes bloggers if they “can demonstrate a solid basis for expecting publication” with a particular news-media entity, which might include a blog.

I could make an argument that the ACLU would qualify to be exempt from search charges.  Given that, let's say they're charged $1.00 per page copied.  I'll go 4 to 33 times the "normal" charge per copy just in case there is a charge for searching.  They should offset each other somewhat.

That still means that a half million would produce a stack of paper about 160 feet tall to deny what is alleged.

Yeah.  The MISP is being forthright and open.   

DD

[dogmush]

Actually, all joking aside.


A time where Law Enforcement broke the law to infringe someone's rights, and kept it secret, but it came out later so we would know about it.

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hmmm.

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Well, there's this

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

so to recap again.  the title is misleading?  and there is as yet not a single instance of the alleged abue happening?  i mean in real life as opposed to some feverish fantasy?

[Doggy Daddy]

Would someone please put a nickel on the tonearm?  The record is stuck again...   

DD

[Boomhauer]

you have the right to pursuit of happiness.  
your "happiness" is not a right.
so to recap there is no violation?

 

so to recap again.  the title is misleading?  and there is as yet not a single instance of the alleged abue happening?  i mean in real life as opposed to some feverish fantasy?

Well, some people are trying to find out and give us hard proof, but the MSP is stonewalling a legit FOIA request with bull*expletive deleted*, which pretty much indicates they really don't want something to see the light of day. If they had nothing to hide, they would have complied...(or at least, that's what the cops tell people like you and me). No one here has claimed a "feverish fantasy" as you suggest. These are very legitimate concerns...

[Balog]

Again, you provide evidence beyond "Oh I been around, I just kinda know the guy had it coming" in bad shoot threads, we'll (after the cops get done stonewalling foia requests) provide evidence of police mis handling in these kind of threads.

Again, just as stonewalling foia requests is a sign of guilt, so is your hypocritical BS in any threads involving cops. Nice try, but we've seen your act and know how it ends.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Again, you provide evidence beyond "Oh I been around, I just kinda know the guy had it coming" in bad shoot threads, we'll (after the cops get done stonewalling foia requests) provide evidence of police mis handling in these kind of threads.

Again, just as stonewalling foia requests is a sign of guilt, so is your hypocritical BS in any threads involving cops. Nice try, but we've seen your act and know how it ends.

was there a specific cop shooting you were looking for evidence on?  how about scott in las vegas?

in this thread we start with an allegation that this is being done on routine traffic stops.  surely in the age of the web one of the "victims" would come forward by now with their story.  or is this folks channeling charlene drew jarvis?

tere is a significant difference between offering an opinion and fabricating incidents

[erictank]

and they can hide it from the aclu?  and all the folks on the net?

So, you're complaining about us doing... the very thing you're holding up as a defense against this sort of misdeed?

 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

So, you're complaining about us doing... the very thing you're holding up as a defense against this sort of misdeed?

 

no  i'm complaining about the fabrications.  not a lock but most of the times folks who fabricate their "incidents are speaking from an awkward position. it is in fact much like pierre the bridge builder