Dystopia now: lights out in Detroit

[longeyes]

Don't worry, at some point they'll use police power to stop emigration from the war zones.  All about "fairness," you know, and inclusion.  It's wrong to move away from the nightmare.

[BridgeRunner]

I doubt seriously that knowing that lack of understanding, anything will ever change regarding CPL.  There is too much fear involved and that drives politics.

No kidding. I terrify people on all sides.  Trouble is the polarization in politics.  Until the recent issues of veterans with PTSD, only liberals have advocated for the rights of people with mental illness.  And only conservatives advocate for gun rights. 

If you try talking to a conservative about it, odds are for a glazed look and a patronizing "I'm so sorry you're crazy."

If you try talking to a liberal about it, odds are for a glazed look and a "but guns are DANGEROUS." 

 

[lee n. field]

but what about the gun rights of crazy people?

(Not a facetious question.  Gun rights, easy to loose, hard to get back.)

[roo_ster]

No kidding. I terrify people on all sides.  Trouble is the polarization in politics.  Until the recent issues of veterans with PTSD, only liberals have advocated for the rights of people with mental illness.  And only conservatives advocate for gun rights. 

If you try talking to a conservative about it, odds are for a glazed look and a patronizing "I'm so sorry you're crazy."

If you try talking to a liberal about it, odds are for a glazed look and a "but guns are DANGEROUS." 

 

Until someone has demonstrated they are a danger, I would be loath to impose upon their liberty.  Criminal or crazy.  A determination of danger by some pooh-bah (judge or psychologist) doesn't cut it, IMO.

Yes, it is likely more folk will be harmed because we are not preemptively slapping folk in cuffs & straight jackets & taking away their pointy objects before they do anything dangerous.  Liberty comes at a price, some of which is risk that others will not be able to handle it.

Also, I would make sure the crazy types pay just as much as the criminals for they damage they do.  It doesn't matter to their victims if they were killed via irrationality or mere avarice.

[AJ Dual]

but what about the gun rights of crazy people?

(Not a facetious question.  Gun rights, easy to loose, hard to get back.)

Well, the problem there is that mental health diagnoses are rather subjective.

Although, in that regard, they should default to recognizing the rights of the person whenever possible. The pragmatic side of it is "they can get a gun anyway".

[lee n. field]

Well, the problem there is that mental health diagnoses are rather subjective.

Although, in that regard, they should default to recognizing the rights of the person whenever possible. The pragmatic side of it is "they can get a gun anyway".

And you can get put away with little legal review.

The first* time my wife was hospitalized  I drove 50 miles, after the fact, for a legal review.  The judge or whoever it was said "why are you here?  She's out now.".  Pissed me off, that there was no review after the fact. 

*not quite, but will do for our purposes.  It's compicated