Buckle Up Baby Jesus, this is going to get bumpy!!!

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

Ok. First real shots fired. They want our guns. Going to be interesting how bad they want them. I do not care who is listening, monitoring this forum etc....  I WILL NOT GIVE UP MY FIREARMS. PERIOD!!  I WILL NOT TURN THEM IN.

Understand this. Get this in your delusional head, it won't happen. If you want my firearms, you are going to have to come and take them. It's your move.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/12/04/when-you-read-last-paragraphs-of-ny-times-editorial-youll-understand-why-gun-owners-are-infuriated/

It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the Second Amendment. No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation.

Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.

What better time than during a presidential election to show, at long last, that our nation has retained its sense of decency?

[Perd Hapley]

All that's really needed here is some slight editing of the Second Amendment.

"A well-regulated militia bunch of collectors and hunters, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear antique arms, shall not be infringed, unless infringing said right prevents crime makes some of us feel more gooder about stuff."

[RoadKingLarry]

Ok. First real shots fired. They want our guns. Going to be interesting how bad they want them. I do not care who is listening, monitoring this forum etc....  I WILL NOT GIVE UP MY FIREARMS. PERIOD!!  I WILL NOT TURN THEM IN.

Understand this. Get this in your delusional head, it won't happen. If you want my firearms, you are going to have to come and take them. It's your move.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/12/04/when-you-read-last-paragraphs-of-ny-times-editorial-youll-understand-why-gun-owners-are-infuriated/

Ya know, I'd like to think that a serious attempt to ban and confiscate common firearms would lead to a real shaking out. I still feel (hope?) that in the first place those in power aren't stupid enough or arrogant enough to really go for it. In the second place, if they are that stupid/arrogant, while there would be some scattered ugliness, dismissed by the press as a few rightwing extremist/domestic terrorists, I just don't think there is enough intestinal fortitude (balls) left to make a difference.

[castle key]

From the New York Times front page editorial.....


"Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens."

I offer that withOUT editorial.

[Boomhauer]

I used to get all worked up and worried and angry over *expletive deleted*it like this until I realized that the liberals are idiots who are more akin to angry toddlers than anything else. They have little power outside of their enclaves (I.e major cities). They can wail and gnash their teeth all they want but they aren't going to get much traction outside of their little kingdoms.

And even in the extremely unlikely event should they manage to pass a confiscation law there isn't going to be a whole lot of people willing to attempt that suicidal job...and the pussy ass liberals aren't going to do it themselves, that's for sure.

[charby]

Hey journalists....



and



Take the same ammunition.

[lupinus]

Hey journalists....



and



Take the same ammunition.

Assualt weapon and high powered precision long range sniper rifle. Noone needs those! Ban them for teh childrens!

[mtnbkr]

I'm not worried.

I live in left-leaning Northern VA and work for a left leaning British owned corporation.  Most of my coworkers are what I'd classify as either centrist or left leaning, or left leaning libertarian at best.  I'm probably the most conservative of the bunch and consider myself not as conservative as many on this board.  Just to give you an idea of what I'm coming from...

Even after this shooting, nobody at work is calling for gun control.  Anyone who has commented have all agreed it isn't the guns and more laws wouldn't help one bit.  One of those coworkers really surprised me because she appears to be your stereotypical NoVA yuppie type, yet she was adamant it wasn't the guns but the people at fault here.  When we started talking about it, I just knew she was going to say something about how those guns should be outlawed or something.  Boy was I wrong. :)

I'm seeing other positive signs as well.  The gun shops and ranges are busy, yet filled with "normal" looking people (not commando wannabes, "rednecks", etc).  We recently got a new premium indoor range that offers training and gunsmith services.  It is the most expensive hourly range in the region.  I frequently see "gun culture" stuff all over the place.  Not just your Browning buck profile, but Magpul and other non-hunting symbols.  I overhear gun-positive conversations while out and about. 

We're always going to see the hardcore leftys clamoring for bans, but I'm getting a more positive vibe these days.  I think people are starting to get the message.

Chris

[sanglant]

Don't forget teh "long rifle" ammo

[Jocassee]

A confiscatory ban sounds fun.

When can we start?

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

Full article:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america.html?referer=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/12/04/when-you-read-last-paragraphs-of-ny-times-editorial-youll-understand-why-gun-owners-are-infuriated/


I don't think they are taking just about evil looking ARs. As we all know, every firearm is their goal.
Another excerpt:

It is past time to stop talking about halting the spread of firearms, and instead to reduce their number drastically — eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition.

[HeroHog]

"eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition." Specifically all those that go "bang!"

[Perd Hapley]

"eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition." Specifically all those that go "bang!"

Here are the categories:

Assault-style rifles.

Military-grade weapons.

Ghost guns.

Large-caliber weapons.

Large-capacity firearms.

Semi-azimuth-omatics.

Shoulder things that go up.

Porcelain Glocks.

[Ben]

Here are the categories:

Assault-style rifles.

Military-grade weapons.

Ghost guns.

Large-caliber weapons.

Large-capacity firearms.

Semi-azimuth-omatics.

Shoulder things that go up.

Porcelain Glocks.

You forgot "guns that shoot hollow point cop killer bullets".

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

You forgot "guns that shoot hollow point cop killer bullets".

Both the guns that shoot cop killer boolets and the cop killer boolets.

[brimic]

A confiscatory ban sounds fun.

When can we start?

I'll be your Huckleberry.

[HeroHog]

It ain't much but it will be "fun" for a bit!

[Ron]

I'd like another 30 or 40 years thank you very much. The left does seem to be in a bit of a hurry lately though.

They were so methodical and patient for so long it's finally nice to see them out themselves for the communists they have always been.

[BlueStarLizzard]

I'm not worried.

I live in left-leaning Northern VA and work for a left leaning British owned corporation.  Most of my coworkers are what I'd classify as either centrist or left leaning, or left leaning libertarian at best.  I'm probably the most conservative of the bunch and consider myself not as conservative as many on this board.  Just to give you an idea of what I'm coming from...

Even after this shooting, nobody at work is calling for gun control.  Anyone who has commented have all agreed it isn't the guns and more laws wouldn't help one bit.  One of those coworkers really surprised me because she appears to be your stereotypical NoVA yuppie type, yet she was adamant it wasn't the guns but the people at fault here.  When we started talking about it, I just knew she was going to say something about how those guns should be outlawed or something.  Boy was I wrong. :)

I'm seeing other positive signs as well.  The gun shops and ranges are busy, yet filled with "normal" looking people (not commando wannabes, "rednecks", etc).  We recently got a new premium indoor range that offers training and gunsmith services.  It is the most expensive hourly range in the region.  I frequently see "gun culture" stuff all over the place.  Not just your Browning buck profile, but Magpul and other non-hunting symbols.  I overhear gun-positive conversations while out and about. 

We're always going to see the hardcore leftys clamoring for bans, but I'm getting a more positive vibe these days.  I think people are starting to get the message.

Chris

It is surprising, but I've been seeing the same thing among the more intelligent of the left leaning folks. These days, it seems the only rabid anti gunners are the ones who are just stupid and obsessed. The ones who were actually dangerous to the RKBA (the ones who didn't really know much about guns, didn't really care other than wanting safer neighborhoods and mostly just followed along the party lines because, at the time, it sounded sensible to them) seem to be coming around.

[Perd Hapley]

You forgot "guns that shoot hollow point cop killer bullets".

That's hollow-nosed cop killer bullets. Though I'm not sure if the hollow noses refers to the bullets, or the cops. I guess it's both.

[RocketMan]

Sure, it's nice to see that your left-leaning co-workers and acquaintances are starting to see the light, but they aren't the ones we need to worry about.  It's the leftist idiots in the national and state legislatures.  They are frothing at the mouth to implement draconian gun control.  
If the legislators at any level gain some traction and manage to get anti-gun bills headed for executive signature, your leftist friends won't care a bit.  They won't lift a finger in protest.  It will just be us on the conservative and libertarian sides opposing anti-gun actions, as it always has been.

[just Warren]

This is the intellectual wattage of our opponents.

And they have nothing.

The demographics of the military and the police outside of the big blue cities are not favorable towards gun control. They have very few enforcers. And those they do have likely do not have the passion for their cause that we on our side have for ours. That is they are not likely to be willing undergo much privation or risk of harm to force their views on us.

Given the number of gun owners and the geography of the country they simply do not have a physical mechanism to collect the guns.

They are not wise enough to understand this however and think that if they pass the law people will go along with it. And we won't. In fact more guns will be purchased and more people will get training and what will the controllers do then?

They'll throw tantrums and type in all caps and write letters to editors and be their usual insulting, snarky, and self-righteous selves but outside of that they have nothing.

They get no choice in the matter.

[Andiron]

This is the intellectual wattage of our opponents.

The demographics of the military and the police outside of the big blue cities are not favorable towards gun control. They have very few enforcers. And those they do have likely do not have the passion for their cause that we on our side have for ours. That is they are not likely to be willing undergo much privation or risk of harm to force their views on us.

My Sheriff's dept is very 2A friendly.  Confiscatory laws wouldn't go over well with them,  and I really don't want to mix it up with them.

Feds I don't know dumb enough to try,  game on.

[brimic]

The 'calculus' (had to use an obama word) on this stuff is easy.
If you are a constitutionalist, and they decide to confiscate your guns, consider yourself already dead.
When you consider yourself already dead, you have ultimate freedom to do anything you want.
Kill something evil, move on to the next evil, join up with others killing evil... lather, rinse, repeat.

Every gun owner in this country knows someone close by who would vote for or support violent, forceful confiscation. Right there is your starting point.

This *expletive deleted*it is a lot easier than anyone can imagine.


Edit: If anyone thinks that this post makes me sound like a violent radical- I'm not. I just want to go to work every day, bring home a check, have a few beers once in awhile and live a quiet, peaceful life in a place where my kids can grow up in relative freedom and do the same. *expletive deleted*ck with me, and all bets are off.

[Andiron]

The 'calculus' (had to use an obama word) on this stuff is easy.
If you are a constitutionalist, and they decide to confiscate your guns, consider yourself already dead.
When you consider yourself already dead, you have ultimate freedom to do anything you want.
Kill something evil, move on to the next evil, join up with others killing evil... lather, rinse, repeat.

Every gun owner in this country knows someone close by who would vote for or support violent, forceful confiscation. Right there is your starting point.

This *expletive deleted*it is a lot easier than anyone can imagine.


Edit: If anyone thinks that this post makes me sound like a violent radical- I'm not. I just want to go to work every day, bring home a check, have a few beers once in awhile and live a quiet, peaceful life in a place where my kids can grow up in relative freedom and do the same. *expletive deleted*ck with me, and all bets are off.

It's their move,  anything we do at this point will be reactionary.

After the first one, the rest are free.