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Obama math
« on: February 27, 2009, 02:11:07 AM »
I read this gem outlining Obama's rationale for reducing tax deductions for "the rich," and had to marvel at his slipperiness:

“Under existing law, the tax benefit of itemizing deductions rises with a taxpayer’s marginal tax bracket (the bracket that applies to the last dollar of income). For example, $10,000 in itemized deductions reduces tax liability by $3,500 for someone in the 35 percent bracket. Mr. Obama would allow a saving of only $2,800 — as if the person were in the 28 percent bracket. The White House says it is unfair for high-income people to get a bigger tax break than middle-income people for claiming the same deductions or making the same charitable contributions.”

Imagine if a private sector retailer tried this with, say, merchandise returns, and based the amount of money refunded to a customer based upon the customer's income. If you buy a toaster and return it, you get all of you money back as long as you make less than $250,000 a year. If you make more than $250K, you only get half of your money back. Or perhaps the price paid for merchandise was based upon how much the customer made: the lower the income, the lower the price. Obviously the retailer wouldn't stay in business for long.

All during the elections I kept telling people I knew that there was no way that Obama could pay for everything he was promising by just raising taxes on "the rich." A Wall Street Journal editorial pointed out that there are about 3.8 million people who make more than $200,000 a year.

Obama wants "the rich" to pay for health insurance for the uninsured, but if he took every last dime from those making $500,000 a year or more, there would only be enough money to fund the free health insurance for a year. There would be no "rich" people left after the first year.

Does anyone know if Obama took any math courses in college?


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Re: Obama math
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2009, 02:28:06 PM »
Dick - You're making the all too common mistake of trying to apply reason and rational thought to a political process.

Obama doesn't give a rip if the math doesn't work.  He's after consolidating power and the best way to do that is to get a few guilt ridden rich people to agree to be taxed out the rear end, the rest of the rich people to realize the built in loopholes for their wealth so they don't care, and then promise the chattering masses a chicken in every pot.  That there won't be enough money to pay for it all once China stops buying T-bills doesn't matter to such people.  If math, reason, rationality, etc worked as an arguement this would be a very different world.
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Re: Obama math
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2009, 05:56:35 PM »
He will end up needing to take more control of the private sector, to skim money to prop up all the spending.

Bottom line, we are rapidly degenerating into a socialist nation.  I think the best we can hope for is that he does not make us a full communism.

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Re: Obama math
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2009, 09:12:41 PM »
He will end up needing to take more control of the private sector, to skim money to prop up all the spending.

Bottom line, we are rapidly degenerating into a socialist nation.  I think the best we can hope for is that he does not make us a full communism.

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Re: Obama math
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 09:17:29 PM »
The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
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Re: Obama math
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 09:58:42 PM »
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The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

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Re: Obama math
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 10:57:44 PM »
Man I hope you're joking. :(
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Re: Obama math
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2009, 05:58:07 PM »
I read somewhere not all that long ago, that Obama's tax plan will result in almost 60% of households paying no income taxes at all, with many of the non-payers getting refunds on taxes they didn't pay in the first place.


this just seems like an astounding thing to me.
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