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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Jamisjockey on October 30, 2016, 08:30:21 AM
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Let that headline sink in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-officials-warned-fbi-that-comeys-decision-to-update-congress-was-not-consistent-with-department-policy/2016/10/29/cb179254-9de7-11e6-b3c9-f662adaa0048_story.html
Yeah. You read that right. The DOJ is telling the FBI to shush. And still hasn't given the FBI a warrant to check out the emails they discovered.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/comey-wrote-bombshell-letter-to-congress-before-fbi-had-reviewed-new-emails-220219586.html
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Let that headline sink in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-officials-warned-fbi-that-comeys-decision-to-update-congress-was-not-consistent-with-department-policy/2016/10/29/cb179254-9de7-11e6-b3c9-f662adaa0048_story.html
Yeah. You read that right. The DOJ is telling the FBI to shush. And still hasn't given the FBI a warrant to check out the emails they discovered.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/comey-wrote-bombshell-letter-to-congress-before-fbi-had-reviewed-new-emails-220219586.html
I thought judges issued warrants. What does DOJ have to do with it? Of course, I also thought that prosecutors decided who gets charged and who doesn't, rather than the FBI. And, heck -- Comey's decision to twist and pervert the law that Hillary clearly broke and to "recommend" against charges wasn't influencing the election? So it's okay to influence the election when it helps the Democratic candidate but it's not okay when it doesn't help her?
I still think Comey is reacting to backlash from his early [non-] recommendation. First, he's been subject to tremendous criticism within the agency, from senior, career agents. And then the jury let the Bundy crew walk in the Oregon case despite the fact that they obviously did pretty much everything they were charged with. I think that was a wake-up call to Mr. Comey and the FBI that if you're going to let high-profile people blatantly break the law, then *expletive deleted*ck you we're going to let "the little people" break the law. I see this new investigation as an attempt (however lame) to try to resurrect the FBI's reputation.
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Comey told Congress he could open an investigation on their say-so.
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. . . So it's okay to influence the election when it helps the Democratic candidate but it's not okay when it doesn't help her . . .
You nailed it right there.
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I have to wonder if some of the 30,000 deleted emails have shown up here.
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If Comey hadn't been influenced by DOJ in the first place, this wouldn't be happening now and Clinton would have been either charged or had her clearance yanked months ago. There's too much information out there in the hands and heads of career FBI agents, and nondisclosure agreements for the investigation aside, I think it would only have been a matter of time before whistleblowers hired attorneys and stepped up to get the truth out there.
So far it appears Wiener is cooperating and not making it hard for the FBI. They won't have to tug anything out of him. The DOJ may have bit off more than they can chew.
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NYT says ... A senior law enforcement official said that tens of thousands of emails belonging to Ms. Abedin were on Mr. Weiner’s laptop, which the F.B.I. had obtained as part of its investigation into Mr. Weiner.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1
[popcorn]
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1
Danged NYT and their pay wall!
Abedin apparently says she doesn't know how the e-mails got on Anthony's laptop. My guess is that she doesn't understand how e-mail works. She probably borrowed Anthony's computer once in awhile when they were both at home just to check for e-mail -- or, as she has said, to print an e-mail she forwarded to her personal e-mail because she had trouble printing from the State Department system -- and possibly didn't realize that whatever she was using as an e-mail client on Anthony's computer (Outlook???) defaulted to downloading everything from the e-mail server.
Of course, it could also be that Anthony was curious and hacked his own wife's e-mail account just so he could have insider info about what the .gov was doing.
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:facepalm: If only Efrem Zimbalist Jr. were still around.....these things would be so simple... [tinfoil].
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There are rumours floating around that the NYPD's sex crimes unit had Weiner's computer and discovered:
The Abedin e-mails from clintonemail.com server and that they may have been:
a) Forwarded to persons that they should not have been forwarded to.
b) Discussions between Abedin and Hillary (among others) on how to destroy evidence, subvert the subpoena, coordinate their stories (lie to investigators)
c) Evidence that Weiner's computer had been hacked and the e-mails hacked also.
d) Just having the e-mails on this device is the great big no-no.
Anyway lots of rumours swirling around.
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Of course absolutely nothing will come of this.
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Of course absolutely nothing will come of this.
On the other hand, Congress may choose to impeach (and even convict) president Clinton. That would be jolly fun. They'll call it a war on women, despite hubby getting impeached, as well.
Then again, this is not your daddy's, late-nineties GOP. =(
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I'll just leave this here. A reminder of something I had completely forgotten:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/flashback-clinton-cheered-11th-hour-indictment-that-doomed-bush-reelection/article/2606000
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I found it amusing and enlightening that our local MSM TV news station had explicit detailed instructions on changing one's mail-in ballot if one decided to change one's vote:
If you had already sent it in, you were SOL.
If you hadn't, bring it in to an election office or polling place, turn it in for destruction, fill out a new ballot, and submit that one right there.
Surprising in the extreme that an MSM station provided that information.
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Oh, and just as an FYI. In all the Podesta e-mails that have come out, not one of them is either to or from Hillary....
So there is that coming out soon....
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Still sticking with my idea that a faction of the MSM and Leftist/DNC establishment now knows Clinton is cooked by something maybe in the Wikileaks or other disclosures, and is cutting their losses.
Or that there's accurate internal polling that shows Trump is ahead, and they want to make this about "Hillary the bad candidate" they can blame, rather than "The entire DNC. The bad party and ideology America doesn't want."
I suppose it's possible that internal FBI politics, or a sudden attack of conscience alone has forced Comey's hand, but considering how blatant the whitewashing of Clinton was for first email/SCI violations, I kind of doubt it.
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I wouldn't doubt the internal FBI politics. The agency has been known for being the white-hats and the days of Ephraim Zimbalist Jr are look back upon fondly. I could easily see an internal revolt over letting Hillary off the hook forcing Comey's hand.
And Huma staying home (either by choice or by force) is very telling. The campaign wants her no where near any reporters. Which means whatever they found is bad. Real bad.
No matter what the reason(s) I'm over here like [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
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AJ Dual remarked,
Or that there's accurate internal polling that shows Trump is ahead, and they want to make this about "Hillary the bad candidate" they can blame, rather than "The entire DNC. The bad party and ideology America doesn't want."
An astute observation/speculation.
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Three scenarios:
1. Comey is truly biased and saw a way to put another thorn in the side of Clinton campaign.
2. He thought that since the FBI had seen fit to publically "clear" Clinton in time for the campaign to conclude, he thought it was equally fair to inform that same public that they may have been premature.
3. He knows that the contents of the emails is damning enough that the FBI would look totally corrupt if it looks as if they hid it until after the election.
Given that option #1 is career ending, I think we can discount that. I think Hillary is so tainted that option #3 is the most likely.
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I wouldn't doubt the internal FBI politics. The agency has been known for being the white-hats and the days of Ephraim Zimbalist Jr are look back upon fondly. I could easily see an internal revolt over letting Hillary off the hook forcing Comey's hand.
And Huma staying home (either by choice or by force) is very telling. The campaign wants her no where near any reporters. Which means whatever they found is bad. Real bad.
No matter what the reason(s) I'm over here like [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
It's "Efrem," not "Ephraim." :old:
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It just looks like not only is the country divided but that our divided government is at political war with itself and the media.
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On the other hand, Congress may choose to impeach (and even convict) president Clinton.
Barring an overwhelming GOP majority in the Senate - where the impeachment trial would take place - it would take a significant number of democrat senators voting to convict.
And there is NO conceivable crime for which democrats would convict a sitting democrat President.
NO conceivable crime.
Think about that for a bit.
=(
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Three scenarios:
1. Comey is truly biased and saw a way to put another thorn in the side of Clinton campaign.
2. He thought that since the FBI had seen fit to publically "clear" Clinton in time for the campaign to conclude, he thought it was equally fair to inform that same public that they may have been premature.
3. He knows that the contents of the emails is damning enough that the FBI would look totally corrupt if it looks as if they hid it until after the election.
Given that option #1 is career ending, I think we can discount that. I think Hillary is so tainted that option #3 is the most likely.
There is always another option:
4. They found something bad that they know has already been leaked.
No point going down with the good ship HRC, if you can help it.
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There is always another option:
4. They found something bad that they know has already been leaked.
No point going down with the good ship HRC, if you can help it.
If that made sense to the DNC, why didn't they find a way to sink HRC in the primaries? It's not as if her negatives are something new. And the party bosses have a lot more power to choose a candidate than the GOPe does.
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If that made sense to the DNC, why didn't they find a way to sink HRC in the primaries? It's not as if her negatives are something new. And the party bosses have a lot more power to choose a candidate than the GOPe does.
Maybe they didn't want to wake up (or not) next to Vince Foster?
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Drudge is reporting that there are 630k emails on the laptop.
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Of which 625,000 are probably pictures of Weiner's weiner being sent to underage girls.
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We're hearing a lot of complaints regarding the email news "influencing the election" and being against policy. You know what we're not hearing? The same claims that we heard when the campaign knew the emails were deleted, "nothing but personal communication" was the cry back then. I think there's something there.
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I would so like for there to be game ender for Hillary in this but I just can't see it.
I am however betting that it's going to be an interesting news day.
Assange has announced a new dump with info that should send Hillary to jail.
Again, pleasant daydream material but I'm not gonna holde my breath.
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I would so like for there to be game ender for Hillary in this but I just can't see it.
I am however betting that it's going to be an interesting news day.
Assange has announced a new dump with info that should send Hillary to jail.
Again, pleasant daydream material but I'm not gonna holde my breath.
I agree with RKL. The majority of the MSM has gone all-in for Hillary. At this point Hillary could sacrifice a child on live TV and still get elected.
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Heaven forbid the FBI nab a candidate for multiple felonies, and endangering national security. That may keep her from winning the highest office in the land! Can you imagine a world where we don't elect someone Commander-in-Chief, just because they criminally mishandled sensitive information? It's crazy.
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Assange has announced a new dump with info that should send Hillary to jail.
These days, everybody's releasing info that should send Hillary to jail. Daily.
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Heaven forbid the FBI nab a candidate for multiple felonies, and endangering national security. That may keep her from winning the highest office in the land! Can you imagine a world where we don't elect someone Commander-in-Chief, just because they criminally mishandled sensitive information? It's crazy.
Agreed, how is -not- revealing that a candidate is under criminal investigation also not influencing an election...seems like hiding that fact is just as bad as revealing it...to a non-existent neutral observer.
HRC and Ilk in July: see, the emails aren't a big deal and the FBI said so and they are Unpolitical and independent and tell the truth always, so we just agree with them, and Comey rocks.
HRC and co now: the FBI is prejudiced against Hillary, and women, and is influencing the election and being political, and Comey should hang.
Comey: F-this, and F-you all. <letter to congress>
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Allegedly, FBI didn't want to reverse itself because of epic excrement storm expected. But NYPD has the data off the laptop, not just the FBI. If/when the NYPD leaked said data, it would not look good for the FBI if they were caught sitting on this. Comey already admitted that Ms Clinton essentially broke the law, but the DOJ wasn't interested in prosecuting.
My prediction? Clinton still wins the election, and there is an epic excrement storm of whether the President can be prosecuted for criminals acts committed before becoming President. Proper answer is that the President can issue themselves a pardon, but Congress can still impeach. Who knows what we'd actually do. Presidents have tried to pull the "sovereign immunity" defense, but it hasn't been actually tested.
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My prediction? Clinton still wins the election, and there is an epic excrement storm of whether the President can be prosecuted for criminals acts committed before becoming President. Proper answer is that the President can issue themselves a pardon, but Congress can still impeach. Who knows what we'd actually do. Presidents have tried to pull the "sovereign immunity" defense, but it hasn't been actually tested.
Sadly I concur.
At least four years of business as usual, with the continual stench of Clinton corruption always in the air.
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Come'on, admit it, it'd almost be worth all of this headache for a chance to say both Clintons had impeachment trials. =D
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Maybe y'all could save the depression posts for after the election. If Trump loses, it will likely be because too many people have already conceded.
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Maybe y'all could save the depression posts for after the election. If Trump loses, it will likely be because too many people have already conceded.
No, Trump will lose because he never had a chance in the first place. No Republican would have stood a chance as the Democrats have a permanent lock on the White House. There will be no more Republican presidents between now and the fall of the republic. That is the reality we find ourselves in.
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Come'on, admit it, it'd almost be worth all of this headache for a chance to say both Clintons had impeachment trials. =D
The operative word there being "almost." It might "almost" be worth it, but not quite. It will be far better if Trump wins in a landslide.
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No, Trump will lose because he never had a chance in the first place. No Republican would have stood a chance as the Democrats have a permanent lock on the White House. There will be no more Republican presidents between now and the fall of the republic. That is the reality we find ourselves in.
You might be right. So what have we got to lose by at least *trying* to win?
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Maybe y'all could save the depression posts for after the election. If Trump loses, it will likely be because too many people have already conceded.
I don't have a lot invested in Trump so my expectations are low.
On the book of faces I've been working hard to depress the Hillary vote, very very hard.
It is up to Trump to win over people and get support for himself. I will not be a cheerleader for him and maybe not for any other candidate ever. Our access to the truth and true data on the candidates is so limited, filtered and spun into narratives that I don't think we can actually make a truly educated choice.
On stated policies between the two the choice is obvious. Whether stated policies and positions will reflect the way he would govern is where it becomes problematic.
Look at all the rhetoric from GWB and then compare to how he governed. He was a disaster IMHO. Now we know but it's too late. He wasn't even considered a wild card. Everyone thought we were getting a somewhat conservative guy who would be somewhat fiscally conservative and stated clearly he was opposed to nation building. We ended up with a guy who did little to nothing for so-cons, grew the government exponentially with new entitlements and embarked on a neocon nation building project that destabilized the whole middle east.
Shows you what we "know", and he was the best candidate the Republicans had put up for us since Reagan!
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One great sideshow to this is the focus on certain hypocritical dem leadership. I just saw back to back video clips on several of them commenting on Comey the first time, and then now. It's so blatant, I would hope it sways independents. Not just on the presidential election, but on other tickets on their ballots.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/31/flip-flopping-dems-once-big-comey-fans-now-piling-on.html
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You might be right. So what have we got to lose by at least *trying* to win?
It doesn't hurt to try. I suppose we might get lucky one day. But it would have to be a fantastic bit of luck, like the Democrat candidate being kidnapped by aliens on national TV two days before the election.
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It doesn't hurt to try. I suppose we might get lucky one day. But it would have to be a fantastic bit of luck, like the Democrat candidate being kidnapped by aliens on national TV two days before the election.
Na, luck would be a giant meteor. Or better yet, General Mattis declaring his run for Presidency and all other candidates wisely surrendering.
http://terminallance.com/2016/04/08/terminal-lance-election-season-2016/
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Comey was screwed in this the moment he was assigned the case. No matter what he did/does, 50% of the government is going to hate him. Getting this assignment was a career ending event for him.
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Comey was screwed in this the moment he was assigned the case. No matter what he did/does, 50% of the government is going to hate him. Getting this assignment was a career ending event for him.
But honestly, what next job could he have? He never was political enough to be tapped for AG...so D-FBI is kinda the brass ring for him.
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Na, luck would be a giant meteor. Or better yet, General Mattis declaring his run for Presidency and all other candidates wisely surrendering.
http://terminallance.com/2016/04/08/terminal-lance-election-season-2016/
The dying/dead republic longs for a Caesar to run the empire.
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It's "Efrem," not "Ephraim." :old:
You can tell it to autocorrect... :P :P
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But honestly, what next job could he have? He never was political enough to be tapped for AG...so D-FBI is kinda the brass ring for him.
Soon, he'll be retiring to, "Spend more time with his family."
Maybe he's clever enough to have let both sides bribe him, then neither side will be willing to tattle, and he can buy a small island somewhere.
(White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Monday that President Barack Obama does not believe Comey is attempting to influence the election.
"The President doesn't believe that he's secretly strategizing to benefit one candidate or one political party," Earnest said. "He's in a tough spot, and he's the one who will be in a position to defend his actions in the face of significant criticism from a variety of legal experts, including individuals who served in senior Department of Justice positions in administrations led by presidents in both parties.")
From CNN. Too bad Hillary will be the one to have him killed, err, retired, after she's the prez.
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The dying/dead republic longs for a Caesar to run the empire.
Hardly. Moreso looking for a candidate that is competent, has the appropriate amount of guts to handle modern politics, the proper mentality and still a decent human being. Not looking to elect a king, which is what most people seem to want from their Presidential candidate.
No sane person can look at Clinton or Trump and say either of these people are competent, reasonably intelligent and decent human beings. Three hundred million Americans and this is what we got? In fairness, I'm aware that dealing with the media during a long grueling campaign is what drives off any sane person. 19 months of campaigning is flat out insane, and advantageous to no one except the media.
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Na, luck would be a giant meteor. Or better yet, General Mattis declaring his run for Presidency and all other candidates wisely surrendering.
http://terminallance.com/2016/04/08/terminal-lance-election-season-2016/
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The dying/dead republic longs for a Caesar to run the empire.
Actually, I want a Cincinnatus....
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Actually, I want a Cincinnatus....
How about Richard I? Thanks to cruise missiles, he won't have to leave long enough for his VP to revolt.
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Hardly. Moreso looking for a candidate that is competent, has the appropriate amount of guts to handle modern politics, the proper mentality and still a decent human being. Not looking to elect a king, which is what most people seem to want from their Presidential candidate.
No sane person can look at Clinton or Trump and say either of these people are competent, reasonably intelligent and decent human beings. Three hundred million Americans and this is what we got? In fairness, I'm aware that dealing with the media during a long grueling campaign is what drives off any sane person. 19 months of campaigning is flat out insane, and advantageous to no one except the media.
I am not sure if guts is the right word or ego/extreme confidence. I am not sure if any of the other primary candidates would have weathered the media storm of the last few months. One more week.
Honestly, I don't think Trump is the second coming or anything. He is just a lot better than the alternative and doesn't seem to be invested in the Republican establishment. Even if he is somewhat liberal, that is an improvement perhaps even over the Bush terms. I hope we get a chance to find out.
On another post, IMO what screwed W. Bush was continually trying to compromise with Democrats who hated his guts. I guess he Dad had the same failing.
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Maybe they didn't want to wake up (or not) next to Vince Foster?
Again, can we stop being ridiculous?
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Again, can we stop being ridiculous?
I took his comment as a joke, since it didn't actually answer my question.
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Hardly. Moreso looking for a candidate that is competent, has the appropriate amount of guts to handle modern politics, the proper mentality and still a decent human being. Not looking to elect a king, which is what most people seem to want from their Presidential candidate.
No sane person can look at Clinton or Trump and say either of these people are competent, reasonably intelligent and decent human beings. Three hundred million Americans and this is what we got? In fairness, I'm aware that dealing with the media during a long grueling campaign is what drives off any sane person. 19 months of campaigning is flat out insane, and advantageous to no one except the media.
Actually, I want a Cincinnatus....
I am afraid we will, instead, get the leadership we deserve.
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Actually, I want a Cincinnatus....
We have one over here at the moment, though I am not sure how much you would like him.
I mean of course the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn who, at the height of the last attempted coup, with almost his entire Shadow Cabinet (all progressive types of the kind you will be familiar with) resigning in an attempt to get him to quit, his Parliamentary party in open revolt and the media in uproar, went to his Allotment Association's AGM instead. He won the subsequent leadership election, by a bigger majority than previously, and that was despite the progressives taking the vote off 100,000 party members.
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Well, it appears DOJ is going to step in and provide all resources necessary to ensure the 650,000 emails are reviewed before the election. Nevermind that previously there was no way for them to review 30,000 in less than two years.
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/10/31/what-could-possibly-go-wrong-to-hasten-email-review-in-clinton-case-its-doj-to-the-rescue/
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Well, it appears DOJ is going to step in and provide all resources necessary to ensure the 650,000 emails are reviewed before the election. Nevermind that previously there was no way for them to review 30,000 in less than two years.
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/10/31/what-could-possibly-go-wrong-to-hasten-email-review-in-clinton-case-its-doj-to-the-rescue/
Ben, I think by "review" they mean "delete".
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwH7o5GWgAQNcWn.jpg)
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Well, it appears DOJ is going to step in and provide all resources necessary to ensure the 650,000 emails are reviewed before the election. Nevermind that previously there was no way for them to review 30,000 in less than two years.
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/10/31/what-could-possibly-go-wrong-to-hasten-email-review-in-clinton-case-its-doj-to-the-rescue/
Automated keyword search, human eyes on the tagged ones.
I have a feeling the AG is doing this to save her hide from the tarmac meeting with Bill.
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Again, can we stop being ridiculous?
What's ridiculous? In the past three weeks, two people (one reputed to be the source of the Wikileaks and the one yesterday a witness against Hillary) have died. You call that ridiculous? Do you really think it's just an unfortunate coincidence?
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Hardly. Moreso looking for a candidate that is competent, has the appropriate amount of guts to handle modern politics, the proper mentality and still a decent human being. Not looking to elect a king, which is what most people seem to want from their Presidential candidate.
No sane person can look at Clinton or Trump and say either of these people are competent, reasonably intelligent and decent human beings. Three hundred million Americans and this is what we got? In fairness, I'm aware that dealing with the media during a long grueling campaign is what drives off any sane person. 19 months of campaigning is flat out insane, and advantageous to no one except the media.
Well, in the first place the Dems would put up anyone who toes the party line of far left statism. Competence and decency wouldn't enter into it. As for the R's, if they put up anyone of the ilk you mentioned, he'd be demonized much the Romney was. If he was a decent, competent person, the Dems would just lie and the MSM would compound it. Sad, but true.
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Well, in the first place the Dems would put up anyone who toes the party line of far left statism. Competence and decency wouldn't enter into it. As for the R's, if they put up anyone of the ilk you mentioned, he'd be demonized much the Romney was. If he was a decent, competent person, the Dems would just lie and the MSM would compound it. Sad, but true.
That, and what sane, rational person would really want the job?