Why are we sitting here watching Obama socialize the US?

[lone_gunman]

Wealthy is being redistributed and the US government is taking over the private sector.

Why are we passively watching this happen?

Why has no opposition leader risen?

[charby]

Wealthy is being redistributed and the US government is taking over the private sector.

Why are we passively watching this happen?

Why has no opposition leader risen?

Probably because has been a crazy 40 or so days since the inagauration.

[Jamisjockey]

Because I have cheesey poofs and beer.  

[Nick1911]

Wealthy is being redistributed and the US government is taking over the private sector.

Why are we passively watching this happen?

Why has no opposition leader risen?

Because the end result of the policies isn't visible to most yet.  Things aren't nearly that bad yet.

[Jamisjockey]

PS:

In the last 8 years, a largely Republican led government has vastly increased government spending, vastly increased governments powers, and gone to great lengths to degrade your rights under the constitution (Patriot act, anyone?).
If you think we're suddenly socialist under Obama, you're sadly mistaken.  We've been on our way down that path for years. 

As far as an opposition leader, the "opposition" party crumbled under their own mis-steps. 

Me, I'm putting on my wookie suit.

[seeker_two]

Wealthy is being redistributed and the US government is taking over the private sector.

Why are we passively watching this happen?

Why has no opposition leader risen?

Because the Terminators got Sarah Connor quicker than we expected.... 

[Nitrogen]

Wealthy is being redistributed and the US government is taking over the private sector.

Why are we passively watching this happen?

Why has no opposition leader risen?

Well, American Idol just started up.

PS Why havn't YOU risen up if you're so concerned about it?  Why are you waiting for someone else?

[FTA84]

Wealthy is being redistributed and the US government is taking over the private sector.

Why are we passively watching this happen?

Because it is the usual cycle of things in a democracy.  You'll get things you like for awhile, then someone else wil come in, and use ideas that you hate but someone else likes.  Eventually, someone will come back in and do things you like also.

For example;
There are people who liked Bush because they were worried about security over government growth.  There are people who like Obama because they think all the money Bush spent on Iraq could be spent here on infrastructure (not talking about give aways, they think why build a road in Iraq when you could build one here.). Even though we have a two-party system, we have a multi-party population.  If you divide the country into 4 major parties, then things'll go your way 1/4 of the time.

People are sitting by because a democracy (even a representative one) wouldn't work if everytime someone had a bad idea (no matter how terrible) there was civil unrest.  The wants of the people are always in constant conflict with one another.

Why has no opposition leader risen?

I've thought about this quite a bit.  Most of the people here want a man of principles to run the country.  The fundamental problem is that men of principle don't want to reduce themselves to the filth that is a political campaign.

[lone_gunman]

Why havn't YOU risen up if you're so concerned about it?  Why are you waiting for someone else?

I guess because I have no political power and don't have the money needed to get political power?  I guess my point is not why has Mr. Joe Sixpack not grabbed a pitchfork and a torch, and declared revolution.  My question is why is there no coherent voice speaking out against Obama's crap.

[Jamisjockey]

I guess because I have no political power and don't have the money needed to get political power?  I guess my point is not why has Mr. Joe Sixpack not grabbed a pitchfork and a torch, and declared revolution.  My question is why is there no coherent voice speaking out against Obama's crap.

Because the stupid party dropped the ball.

[lone_gunman]

Because the stupid party dropped the ball.

I agree with you on that...  but it seems like some one would come in and fill the void left behind by the Republican party.

[zahc]

Because it is the usual cycle of things in a democracy.  You'll get things you like for awhile, then someone else wil come in, and use ideas that you hate but someone else likes.

Nobody has done anything I liked since before I was born. All I've seen is increased government, worse laws, increased regulation, higher taxes, and expanded federal authority. Your theory works provided everyone wants one of two flavors of authoritarianism.

[lupinus]

Because it is the usual cycle of things in a democracy. 

Which is why this country was not found as, or intended to ever be, a democracy.  Democracy is mob rule, regardless if it is true democracy or a representative one.

That is why our nation was set up as a constitutional republic.

[longeyes]

Patience, brother, it's coming.

[MechAg94]

It isn't even March yet and you ask why there is no organized opposition?  Give it time.  Not everything happens at the speed of the Internet.

[lone_gunman]

When a leader finally comes along that will oppose Obama in a meaningful way, where do you suppose he will come from?  Most in the Republican party have been relegated to irrelevance.  Jindal does not seem like the man to do it.  Palin has been so screwed over by the media and the Republican party leadership that I don't see her rising.

So far the closest thing I have seen is the CNBC reporter who went off on the tirade about the housing bailout.

[Manedwolf]

Because the stupid party dropped the ball.

Dropped it?

They're clumsily kicking it towards their own goal with a big blank 'tard grin as everyone in the stands screams at them to stop and go the other way.

[Perd Hapley]

Opposition leaders have arisen, but the anti-Obama forces won't unite behind any of them.  We're pretty sharply split over social/religious issues, and defense/Patriot Act type issues. 

Go look at that thread about Jindal, that got locked a few days ago.  Or any of the discussions we had about Palin.  Those are the two major, potential leaders that have arisen recently, and about half of the anti-Obama crowd hates their guts.  Rush Limbaugh is trying to be the opposition leader, and the Democrats seem to think he is.  Similar division there. 

Go back to the Republican primaries, where we were all split over the big-govt. social conservative (McCain), the "reformed" RINO social conservative (Romney), the not-so-big-govt. social conservative who waited until his moment had passed before even getting into the race (Thompson), the small-govt. anti-war, gold-standard, anti-PATRIOT Act social conservative (Paul), the sorta-big govt. social conservative (Huckabee), the big govt. social liberal (Guliani) and a few miscellaneous conservatives like Hunter.

We must resolve to agree to disagree on the divisive issues. 

[Ron]

Me, I'm putting on my wookie suit.

I pulled mine out of the closet and brushed it off today.

I voted for Ron Paul in 88, it is a little musty.

It was a wide eyed ideological vote back then. I liked Reagan but he didn't do enough in his eight years. I felt Bush with his New World Order and million points of light was going to undo the gains we had made.

I ended up voting for Bush the following election though. That was the beginning of my lesser of two evils pragmatic voting stage. Anything to get rid of Clinton.

Pretty much I think I'm done with the lessor of two evils pragmatism, it is liberating.

[Perd Hapley]

So, if Palin, Jindal, Paul, or some other foe of the New World Order runs for the Republican nomination, would you support them, at least by voting in the primary? 

[lone_gunman]

Please read the stickies at the top of the page and try again.

[MicroBalrog]

So, if Palin, Jindal, Paul, or some other foe of the New World Order runs for the Republican nomination, would you support them, at least by voting in the primary? 

I'd think it isn't enough. At least Ron Paul is going around and encouraging the people who voted for him to join the GOP now and to be active to oust the statists on all levels.

That's the bet, I think. Be consistently active, don't just wake up on Election Day.

[Ron]

So, if Palin, Jindal, Paul, or some other foe of the New World Order runs for the Republican nomination, would you support them, at least by voting in the primary? 

I'm tacking hard back to my roots and first principles. Whether I sell out my principles to the Republicans again depends on whether they become Republicans again or remain Democrat Lite.

I've voted straight "R" my whole life with the exception of '88. For 16 years "my guys" had the White House and for a good chunk of that marginal control of congress.

There is very little to show for it domestically and nearly everything will be undone with this one stimulus package.

The institutional momentum of statism is like an irresistible force.

[Perd Hapley]

I'm tacking hard back to my roots and first principles. Whether I sell out my principles to the Republicans again depends on whether they become Republicans again or remain Democrat Lite.

It would be hard to believe they would be stupid enough to miss all the cues pointing to BECOME REPUBLICANS AGAIN. 

Oh, wait, I just considered recent history.  Never mind.    :rolleyes:

[MechAg94]

That is always the problem.  There will be alternatives to Obama.  BUT, I can guarantee you none of them will be perfect in your eyes.  Will you support them anyway or will you say they aren't perfectly in line with my views so I am sitting this one out?