Author Topic: Pilot's gun goes off on US Airways flight. (Read 12577 times)

From the placement of the bullet hole, it looks like he was holding the gun sideways in front of him, messing with it or moving it to or from a holster, and indeed pulled the trigger. I assume he's right handed, and that's a good thing, or he could have hit his co-pilot.

geronimotwo · « **Reply #30 on:** March 26, 2008, 03:52:14 AM »

Quote from: Manedwolf on March 24, 2008, 08:55:02 PM

Must be hard to hear the tower with that sort of ringing in your ears.

probably had his headset on. those are top of the line noise reduction gear.

coppertales · « **Reply #31 on:** March 26, 2008, 09:28:38 AM »

According to the news today, it was an H&K USP? Sorry anti-Glock fans.....chris3

Manedwolf · « **Reply #32 on:** March 26, 2008, 09:41:22 AM »

I'm shocked. Only CNN has a correct headline.

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Pilot suspended after firing gun in cockpit.

The rest of the media is making it sound like the gun fired itself.

Fly320s · « **Reply #33 on:** March 26, 2008, 03:35:25 PM »

Quote from: DJJ on March 25, 2008, 02:01:18 PM

Quote from: Fly320s on March 24, 2008, 11:54:41 PM

Quote from: Archie on March 24, 2008, 07:03:46 PM

Pilots have to load and unload their firearms IN THE COCKPIT.

False.

If you know more, tell us!

Sorry, won't do it.

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probably had his headset on. those are top of the line noise reduction gear.

Not unless a pilot buys his own. Airbus standard are light-weight foam headsets. They have little to no noise reducing abilities. Most pilots remove the headsets above 18,000 feet anyway.

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According to the news today, it was an H&K USP?

H&K USPc .40 S&W.

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #34 on:** March 27, 2008, 02:39:50 AM »

Quote from: jfruser on March 25, 2008, 02:43:59 AM

Hokay, what sort of hoops must a pilot jump through in such a case? IMO, anything more involved than, "Change from strong-side holster to shoulder holster for comfort while piloting the aircraft," is unnecessary fiddling.

The first rule of fight club.....

No matter the reason, there are only two reasons a firearm would discharge:
Pilot pulled the trigger during handling for whatever reason
DA pistol, trigger snagged during handling.

DJJ · « **Reply #35 on:** March 27, 2008, 03:24:02 AM »

Quote from: Fly320s on March 26, 2008, 02:35:25 PM

Sorry, won't do it.

Then I'd say you forfeit the right to post this:

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False.

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 27, 2008, 03:26:28 AM »

Hey DJJ, there is a thing called need to know. And I don't believe anyone on this board, unless you are a commercial pilot, has that need to know.

280plus · « **Reply #37 on:** March 27, 2008, 03:28:55 AM »

Not fer nuthin' but I sit at the range and take money every monday night and have done so for 6-7 years now. It seems to me that just lately more and more noobs without a clue are getting their permits / handguns and negligently breaking the rules. I've been a nervous wreck lately watching some of these A-holes and trying to pound safety into their heads. $5 says the guy had his finger on the trigger during handling and put just a wee bit too much pressure on it at some point. Question is, why is he handling his gun in the cockpit?

Range rule #1 here is, "All weapons will be unloaded and in a case upon entering or leaving the range" there is an exception to that rule. Concealed carry. You keep your weapon concealed until you're on the line, clear it on the line and reload it on the line before re-concealing to leave. Why? We don't want anyone loading and unloading (handling) their gun in the parking lot where it could go off for any number of reasons. Seems like a smart idea for the cockpit too?

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #38 on:** March 27, 2008, 03:39:00 AM »

Quote from: DJJ on March 27, 2008, 02:24:02 AM

Quote from: Fly320s on March 26, 2008, 02:35:25 PM

Sorry, won't do it.

Then I'd say you forfeit the right to post this:

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False.

No. No he doesn't. He has every right to withhold that information.

The Annoyed Man · « **Reply #39 on:** March 27, 2008, 04:20:01 AM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on March 27, 2008, 02:26:28 AM

Hey DJJ, there is a thing called need to know. And I don't believe anyone on this board, unless you are a commercial pilot, has that need to know.

No. No he doesn't. He has every right to withhold that information.
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+1 to you both. Why do we need to know, other than abject curiosity. And, while I will admit I am very curious about the rules and regs that may require moving the pistol, chambering a round, etc., I also understand why that information would be protected.

Another question...does anyone know if these HK's are DAO, or do they have Condition 1 option. That may explain an "Ah $hit!" in the cockpit a bit more, at least to me.

roo_ster · « **Reply #40 on:** March 27, 2008, 05:12:50 AM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on March 27, 2008, 02:26:28 AM

Hey DJJ, there is a thing called need to know. And I don't believe anyone on this board, unless you are a commercial pilot, has that need to know.

Unless it is classified in some manner, American citizens ought to know what rules & regs are promulgated by the gooberment.

Heck , a good portion of classified material has no business being classified.

Manedwolf · « **Reply #41 on:** March 27, 2008, 05:18:38 AM »

Quote from: jfruser on March 27, 2008, 04:12:50 AM

Quote from: wmenorr67 on March 27, 2008, 02:26:28 AM

Hey DJJ, there is a thing called need to know. And I don't believe anyone on this board, unless you are a commercial pilot, has that need to know.

Unless it is classified in some manner, American citizens ought to know what rules & regs are promulgated by the gooberment.

Heck , a good portion of classified material has no business being classified.

The terrorists would like to know, too, so they know when the best time to jump the pilot is.

I say leave it alone. It's a deterrent, they don't know how or when the pilots are armed. You don't need to know, either.

It's also an industry thing. I know stuff about FDA regs and medical procedural stuff that I wouldn't tell you, either.

Halo is for Kids · « **Reply #42 on:** March 27, 2008, 05:18:46 AM »

I read an article titled "Unsafe at any Altitude" that addressed this situation in G&A magazine awhile back.

Found it:
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/0606/

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 27, 2008, 05:21:54 AM »

jfruser, I currently have a TS/SCI clearance and am read on to some of the highest levels possible. But that doesn't mean I can just waltz into the Pentagon or even the FAA and ask to see anything I like to.

280plus · « **Reply #44 on:** March 27, 2008, 06:26:38 AM »

Yea but you DO get to sit on Saddam's throne! laugh

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These weapons carry and storage rules mean that the average flight-deck officer must handle his weapon about 10 times per day. The average federal law enforcement officer handles his gun only twice a day

Bingo! With that kind of baloney going on this was bound to happen sooner or later. And will again... rolleyes

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 27, 2008, 06:31:04 AM »

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Yea but you DO get to sit on Saddam's throne!

That is not a big deal. Anyone can do that.

Manedwolf · « **Reply #46 on:** March 27, 2008, 06:32:19 AM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on March 27, 2008, 05:31:04 AM

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Yea but you DO get to sit on Saddam's throne!

That is not a big deal. Anyone can do that.

Did you get to hold the gold AKs, too?

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 27, 2008, 06:33:38 AM »

Not sure what happened to the gold AK's.

280plus · « **Reply #48 on:** March 27, 2008, 06:47:21 AM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on March 27, 2008, 05:31:04 AM

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Yea but you DO get to sit on Saddam's throne!

That is not a big deal. Anyone can do that.

I'll be right over... laugh

roo_ster · « **Reply #49 on:** March 27, 2008, 06:53:36 AM »

wmenorr67:

I am familiar with policies & procedures pertaining to classified information in both the DOD and industry.

My point was, if the regs are unclassified they ought to be open to public scrutiny, just as any other reg ought to be.

Quote from: Manedwolf on March 27, 2008, 04:18:38 AM

The terrorists would like to know, too, so they know when the best time to jump the pilot is.

I say leave it alone. It's a deterrent...

If the SOP leaves open windows of opportunity for terrorists to take advantage of, I say the SOP is flawed. Sounds less like a deterrent than an opportunity. Such flaws might be needless fiddle****ing around with the firearm while on the aircraft.

The question then becomes, "How do we detect faulty SOPs and get them corrected?"

Exposure of chicken**** regs is about the only way they are going to be fixed/eliminated, given TSA's record.

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