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What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« on: November 01, 2015, 06:51:33 PM »
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2015, 07:10:44 PM »
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2015, 07:18:17 PM »
Wishful thinking from the folks that don't want to admit how messed up the prequels were.

Jar jar was the ewok of the first three films. Trying to make the story more kid friendly.
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2015, 07:45:57 PM »
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2015, 08:01:57 PM »
I support this. It helps make the prequels palatable to me. Of course the whole Anakin as a child genius thing still sucks as does the fact that he made C-3P0 but it raises the entertainment value enough that I would be willing to watch them again with this new brain-filter in place. 
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2015, 08:17:12 PM »
The issues with Anakin as child genius (and his immaculate conception), and the age difference between him and Amadala, were always the big issues for me. Jar Jar was just an... irritation.

This theory is plausable. But it doesn't fix the actual major problems with the prequels for me.

Once read a piece where someone suggested the "proper sequence" to watch the movies. Start with Ep4, then 5, 2, 3, 6. Set the stage with 4, big reveal on Vader in 5, backstory on Vader's Fall in 2 and 3, wrapup in 6. No mention of 1
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2015, 08:20:03 PM »
I just rewatched seasons 5 and 6 of The Clone Wars, and am keeping up with Rebels.

Both are better entertainment, more consistent, and develop the jedi/sith mythos better than the first three movies.  Kinda sad really that Cartoon Network had to save the universe.
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2015, 08:24:46 PM »
I like it.
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2015, 08:43:47 PM »
Quote from: Strings on November 01, 2015, 08:17:12 PM
Once read a piece where someone suggested the "proper sequence" to watch the movies. Start with Ep4, then 5, 2, 3, 6. Set the stage with 4, big reveal on Vader in 5, backstory on Vader's Fall in 2 and 3, wrapup in 6. No mention of 1

Machete order works.

http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2015, 08:51:50 PM »
Possible, but nah... he's still an annoying alien rastafarian Goofy.

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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2015, 09:51:42 PM »
Quote from: Brad Johnson on November 01, 2015, 08:51:50 PM
Possible, but nah... he's still an annoying alien rastafarian Goofy.

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Yeah, but if he was really the evil mastermind behind the whole thing than you could really love to hate him. The way things are now, he's just annoying with no reason to be annoying.
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2015, 10:00:50 PM »
I will more than likely see 7. That said, I am very pissed that JJ and Disney decided to just erase several years of great, Lucas approved, novels that stretch from ROTJ to 50 years out. The best Big Bad they could have used was Grand Admiral Thrawn, from Timothy Zahn's "Heir to the Empire" trilogy.
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2015, 10:07:07 PM »
Quote from: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on November 01, 2015, 10:00:50 PM
I will more than likely see 7. That said, I am very pissed that JJ and Disney decided to just erase several years of great, Lucas approved, novels that stretch from ROTJ to 50 years out. The best Big Bad they could have used was Grand Admiral Thrawn, from Timothy Zahn's "Heir to the Empire" trilogy.

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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2015, 10:10:23 PM »
Yeah, I really liked the extended universe stuff. I never even got close to reading it all or even knowing how much of it there was but what I did read was great.

I've never ranked my favorite fictional universes but Star Wars would certainly be in the top three.
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2015, 11:13:56 PM »
Quote from: Warren on November 01, 2015, 10:10:23 PM
Yeah, I really liked the extended universe stuff. I never even got close to reading it all or even knowing how much of it there was but what I did read was great.

I've never ranked my favorite fictional universes but Star Wars would certainly be in the top three.

Warren. In the SW universe, go forth and read any novel by Timothy Zahn. Starting with "Heir to the Empire" series. It sets up all subsequent books by him and others. And he is a damned good author.

Read an interview with him years ago stating he was shown the final 3 outlines, movies, from Lucas detailing from ROTJ onward. And was approved by the man himself to use said info.

If Disney would have followed his outline, hell, you'd have enough plots, sub plots and offshoots to fuel a dozen movies. All connected. Plus. Grand Admiral Thrawn was a balls dragging the ground picking up rocks as he walks bad ass!!
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2015, 11:18:59 PM »
I read those, they are great. Thrawn is awesome. His ability to understand a planet's tactics by understanding their art was a great concept.
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2015, 11:49:37 PM »
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2015, 03:47:45 AM »
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The issues with Anakin as child genius (and his immaculate conception), and the age difference between him and Amadala, were always the big issues for me.

Why would those be issues?

I've only read one extended univers novel, don't remember which one though. I also remember reading some books that center around some kids and their dad.
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2015, 09:02:52 PM »
First problem: the immaculate conception. This comes right after the whole "mitichlorian" thing for the basis of the force. Basically, it felt like Lucas was backpedaling off religion by changing the force from a mystical power to a disease. Then he reverses and pops in a virgin birth. It... was jarring

Anakin as child genius, I could deal with on it's own

As for the age difference: it was also jarring. Most women would remember the small child they knew, and think of that person whenever looking at the adult...
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2015, 09:20:41 PM »
Lucas was never a craftsman of fiction. He put, bolted, together a pastiche of pulp tropes he loved into an epic space opera. It was always big picture with him, the details didn't really matter beyond needing them to propel the characters along their arcs in the epic.

So if something didn't make sense after thinking about for awhile, well too bad. The details served the epic. The epic didn't serve the details.
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2015, 05:18:06 AM »
Also worth remembering, that the earlier movies had professional crafters of fiction helping Lucas put the story together.

As he got bigger, and more able to tell off the studio's helpers, the movies got worse. Lucas is a good idea man, but needs help with the scripts and details.
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2015, 09:29:00 AM »
Quote from: Strings on November 02, 2015, 09:02:52 PM
First problem: the immaculate conception. This comes right after the whole "mitichlorian" thing for the basis of the force. Basically, it felt like Lucas was backpedaling off religion by changing the force from a mystical power to a disease. Then he reverses and pops in a virgin birth. It... was jarring

Anakin as child genius, I could deal with on it's own

As for the age difference: it was also jarring. Most women would remember the small child they knew, and think of that person whenever looking at the adult...
I thought the young Anakin was a bad compromise with story vs casting.  He should have been older in the first movie I think.  If he was 11 or 12 and Padme was 16, it wouldn't be quite so far apart.  Instead they cast a kid that looks 7.  
Also, in the movie they kept saying Anakin was too old to start training, but the kid they cast looked no older than the kids they were training. 
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2015, 09:35:08 AM »
I read the Thrawn trilogy.  Good books, but I bet they would just screw it up. 

Also, in some of the books they mentioned that Anakin had some sort of gift with the Force that he could understand/repair electronics. 
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Re: What if I told you Jar Jar Binks was not who he says he is...
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2015, 09:53:17 AM »
Quote from: dogmush on November 03, 2015, 05:18:06 AM
Also worth remembering, that the earlier movies had professional crafters of fiction helping Lucas put the story together.

As he got bigger, and more able to tell off the studio's helpers, the movies got worse. Lucas is a good idea man, but needs help with the scripts and details.

Yeah, I'm not buying the super amazing subplot for Jar Jar.

I'll go with Occam's Razor that Lucas, unimpeded, is a terrible story-teller.

That is, unless the author has some explanation for The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2015, 11:06:18 AM »
Quote from: makattak on November 03, 2015, 09:53:17 AM
Yeah, I'm not buying the super amazing subplot for Jar Jar.

I'll go with Occam's Razor that Lucas, unimpeded, is a terrible story-teller.

That is, unless the author has some explanation for The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
Jar Jar == Shia LaBeouf

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