Author Topic: Moore OK man beaten to death by cops (Read 17543 times)

Balog · « **on:** February 18, 2014, 05:03:23 PM »

http://newsok.com/update-man-dies-friday-night-while-being-handcuffed-at-moore-theater/article/3934187

Hard to know what really happened. Not clear from any article I can find if he was already in handcuffs when the lethal blows were delivered, or if he got hurt prior to being restrained. Supposedly cell phone video which the cops are not releasing. I'll need to see the video to know exactly what happened.

ETA: and 2 of the 5 guys involved were off duty game wardens? WTH?

Balog · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2014, 05:11:13 PM »

Sounds like these were mall ninjas, some of whom were off duty cops. http://themooredaily.com/news/mother-daughter-talk-about-warren-theater-tragedy

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2014, 09:38:06 PM »

Obviously the guy had it coming or the cops wouldn't have needed to "tune him up" [/csd]

dogmush · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2014, 11:12:06 PM »

Not even close to enough info in that article to try and figure out what happened.

Regardless it's a tragic for the family.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2014, 03:15:18 AM »

In the first interviews I saw the family story skipped over what happened between the cops asking for id and to them rolling him over dead. Atvthe time I found that curious. Apparently the narrative has been revised

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Tallpine · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2014, 10:32:05 AM »

Moore tragedy. Aren't F5 tornadoes enough?

KD5NRH · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2014, 11:04:18 AM »

At least it wasn't another fatal atomic wedgie.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2014, 12:22:29 PM »

I agree that there is not enough information. I would expect there were more witnesses also.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2014, 05:41:01 PM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on February 19, 2014, 12:22:29 PM

I agree that there is not enough information. I would expect there were more witnesses also.

i would love to see video

Azrael256 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2014, 06:44:16 PM »

Quote from: Tallpine on February 19, 2014, 10:32:05 AM

Moore tragedy. Aren't F5 tornadoes enough?

Same parking lot, too.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2014, 11:00:28 AM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on February 19, 2014, 05:41:01 PM

i would love to see video

as long as it isn't one of those heavily edited versions.

One reason I hate TV news media sometimes. They will talk for several minutes about a controversial video, but can't bring themselves to show more than a few seconds of material that fites the narrative.

Boomhauer · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2014, 01:19:24 PM »

Quote

One reason I hate TV news media sometimes. They will talk for several minutes about a controversial video, but can't bring themselves to show more than a few seconds of material that fites the narrative.

Why would they report the truth, or show the truth on video, when they can spin it and/or outright lie in order to push their opinion?

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2014, 05:08:21 PM »

Not getting much play in the rest of the state.

I suspect this will get more air time ove here on the east side
http://www.newson6.com/story/24774733/chouteau-man-suffered-head-injury-leaning-out-of-moving-car

Tallpine · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2014, 05:10:38 PM »

Is he going to pay for the mail box

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2014, 12:23:31 AM »

Quote from: Tallpine on February 20, 2014, 05:10:38 PM

Is he going to pay for the mail box

I think you mean, is the mail box's owner going to be sued, for putting it in his way?

Scout26 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2014, 06:00:24 PM »

I can tell you from experience, that if your attempt to arrest someone for D&D ends up with the subject dead, you have some way, somehow royally screwed the pooch.

Unless this "investigation" results in charges being filed against the officer(s) involved, it's a whitewashing, not an investigation.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2014, 06:11:40 PM »

Quote from: scout26 on February 22, 2014, 06:00:24 PM

I can tell you from experience, that if your attempt to arrest someone for D&D ends up with the subject dead, you have some way, somehow royally screwed the pooch.

Unless this "investigation" results in charges being filed against the officer(s) involved, it's a whitewashing, not an investigation.

how many folks dying while being arrested did you experience?

230RN · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2014, 08:55:49 AM »

I'm wondering, but will probably never know, if he was hogtied. Looked like a pretty heavy-set person, which body-type does not breathe well in hogtied restraint.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2014, 10:04:51 AM »

Quote from: 230RN on February 23, 2014, 08:55:49 AM

I'm wondering, but will probably never know, if he was hogtied. Looked like a pretty heavy-set person, which body-type does not breathe well in hogtied restraint.

yea. even untied someone on your back can fubar you particularly if your breathing is otherwise compromised

roo_ster · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2014, 11:21:23 AM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on February 22, 2014, 06:11:40 PM

how many folks dying while being arrested did you experience?

And what conclusion would you draw from "few/none" answer? From a "many/lots" answer?

I don't think this is one of those metrics where a larger number is indicative of mastery of craft/technique.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2014, 11:41:12 AM »

Quote from: Roo_ster on February 23, 2014, 11:21:23 AM

And what conclusion would you draw from "few/none" answer? From a "many/lots" answer?

I don't think this is one of those metrics where a larger number is indicative of mastery of craft/technique.

i was thinking it was indicative of experience. since he was saying "let me tell you from experience"

Tallpine · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2014, 12:26:20 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on February 23, 2014, 11:41:12 AM

i was thinking it was indicative of experience. since he was saying "let me tell you from experience"

So having killed someone is the only valid experience for an opinion on a homicide

Lots of judges and juries are DQ'ed

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2014, 02:58:28 PM »

Are judges and jurys claiming to have experience?

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zxcvbob · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2014, 03:52:59 PM »

That "experience" could be from prosecuting the arresting officer (like that ever happens) or from being said officer's supervisor.

Or maybe he used "experience" a little loosely, and he's talking about arresting multiple D&D's *without* killing them in the process.

Question for C&SD:
Just curious: if it was "Sheriff Joe" that killed an arrestee, and that's all the facts-not-in-dispute that we had, would it still be justified?

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2014, 04:14:58 PM »

Quote from: zxcvbob on February 23, 2014, 03:52:59 PM

That "experience" could be from prosecuting the arresting officer (like that ever happens) or from being said officer's supervisor.

Or maybe he used "experience" a little loosely, and he's talking about arresting multiple D&D's *without* killing them in the process.

Question for C&SD:
Just curious: if it was "Sheriff Joe" that killed an arrestee, and that's all the facts-not-in-dispute that we had, would it still be justified?

things can go south real fast in a struggle.

and at this point without seeing video sheriff joe would get a pass. not enough info yet.not all the folks joes minions killed were crimes. just a bit over the average.and once that happens folks look at all the dead folks with more suspicion

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Author Topic: Moore OK man beaten to death by cops (Read 17543 times)