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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2014, 04:42:25 PM »
Did you get upset when the Bosnian Refugees came here? Did you get upset with the Ugandans? How about the Hmongs?
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2014, 04:45:06 PM »
I do not blame the illegals, anymore than I blame people on welfare- they are responding in a logical way to the incentives granted them.

 I do blame those who offered those incentives.  

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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2014, 04:57:24 PM »
Were tens of millions of them coming into the country illegally?

No, only because there was an ocean between us and them.  Having to swim thousands of miles tends to slow down the rate of entry.

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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2014, 05:15:46 PM »
No, only because there was an ocean between us and them.  Having to swim thousands of miles tends to slow down the rate of entry.

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Kind of my point. This is different from previous mass immigration for any number of reasons, but that's one of them.
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2014, 05:52:55 PM »
If I were "doing it on my own" I would want to go to the border so I could collect information on what I'm dealing with.

Not necessary, he already got it off of CNN.

Obama is now claiming that most of the children will be deported.  Might be tough to wiggle out of that one when it doesn't happen.  On the other hand, by the time their deportation hearings roll around, 90% of those kids might then be adults.

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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2014, 06:01:32 PM »
Obama is now claiming that most of the children will be deported. Might be tough to wiggle out of that one when it doesn't happen.

Won't matter; it will be "in the works" until he's long gone.

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On the other hand, by the time their deportation hearings roll around, 90% of those kids might then be adults elderly.

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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2014, 06:22:15 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2014, 06:28:33 PM »
I really wish that was available digitally.
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2014, 06:48:58 PM »
I really wish that was available digitally.

Why not a hard copy?
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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2014, 06:58:37 PM »
Why not a hard copy?

Costs more, my bookshelves are full, and I like reading on the Kindle app for my phone while waiting on elevators and such.
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2014, 07:19:58 PM »
Why? What if they're robbing you to get bread for their family?

Not the same. Being on one side of the line, and then moving to the other isn't the same as robbing someone.

Were tens of millions of them coming into the country illegally?

Tens of milloins over how long of a time?

Costs more, my bookshelves are full, and I like reading on the Kindle app for my phone while waiting on elevators and such.

Must be a fast reader to get any reading done on an elevator. :O
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2014, 07:27:06 PM »
Not the same. Being on one side of the line, and then moving to the other isn't the same as robbing someone.

It isn't robbery, but it is a mala in se crime.

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Tens of milloins over how long of a time?

I don't think any previous mass migration has had the numbers of this one, which doesn't even take into account the differing conditions of the country then and now.

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Must be a fast reader to get any reading done on an elevator. :O

Paragraph here, paragraph there it all adds up.

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« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2014, 07:35:48 PM »
It isn't robbery, but it is a mala in se crime.

Is it now?

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Paragraph here, paragraph there it all adds up.

I just can't enjoy a book like that. If I'm going to read I need to have at least an hour or two for it that way I can really get engrossed in it.
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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2014, 07:43:10 PM »
Is it now?

Yes. The citizens of a nation own it, and they have every bit as much right to control their borders as you have to control your domicile.

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I just can't enjoy a book like that. If I'm going to read I need to have at least an hour or two for it that way I can really get engrossed in it.

Certainly preferable, but I've got two kids so I take what I can get.  ;)
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2014, 10:13:50 PM »
Secure the borders and let immigrants in an orderly fashion with at least a minimum of vetting.

Letting anyone just waltz across our border is just begging for troubles and complications.
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2014, 11:04:32 PM »
Secure the borders and let immigrants in an orderly fashion with at least a minimum of vetting.

Letting anyone just waltz across our border is just begging for troubles and complications.

If I have to go through a written and practical test to get a drivers license, and a class and background check to get a CCW permit or a background check to buy a gun, they ought to be going through a lawful process to get into this country.

I do say the road to citizenship needs to be reformed, but letting hundreds of thousands of illegals in in a huge chunk and then millions more in over the years and then giving them all amnesty and citizenship is the dumbest *expletive deleted*ing idea ever floated...unless are a democrat looking to gain another group of people that votes 99% of the time for your party and shows blind allegiance...



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« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2014, 12:34:22 AM »
They should have done so months ago. One big problem: What would the rules of engagement be?

Question: Why is the invasion influx concentrated on Arizona and Texas? New Mexiso sits right between them, and Ciudad Juarez is very close to the Mexican side. Why aren't we seeing/hearing reports of hordes crossing into NM?
Too many folks of mexican descent in nm from the get go as a state with retarded economic development relative to ca az and tx. 

Illegals are rather desperate to escape places that have developed along the mexican model.

Shorter version...new mexico is too similar to old mexico to be worth the trip.
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Re: Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2014, 12:53:33 AM »
Wrt all the "what about the xyz illegals" questions send them all back.   And all the thrice damned scheming "refugees" in the refugee racket. 

Recall the refugee racket is how the tsarnaevs got to the states.  They were not in danger because their dads political gangster patron run the dung heap.
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Re: Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2014, 09:34:42 AM »
Wrt all the "what about the xyz illegals" questions send them all back.   And all the thrice damned scheming "refugees" in the refugee racket. 

Recall the refugee racket is how the tsarnaevs got to the states.  They were not in danger because their dads political gangster patron run the dung heap.

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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2014, 09:37:28 AM »
Just to say it, I don't want the national guard or the army on the border until the ROE's allow them to shoot people and destroy things.  Otherwise, all you will end up with is military personnel being arrested and tried and I don't want to see that.  Seriously, we even tried some border partrol agents for shooting a fleeing drug runner in the behind.  

The problem with the border is NOT that the people don't want border security, the problem is that too many businesses and interests are profiting off cheap labor such that politicians won't take action except to try to reign in any attempt at actual enforcement.  I think most voters want border security despite all the emotional arguments, but everyone realizes most of the politicians won't push for it honestly so they don't know what can be done.  

I caught a few minutes of Mark Levin's show last night and he talked a little about Operation Wetback back in the Eisenhower Presidency.  He said the same thing was happenning.  He had to put a general in charge who was a friend and had a direct line to his office in order to get someone in charge who wasn't subject to political influence.  I think he said they deported 50,000 and an estimated 500,000 left on their own.  I think he said they were deporting them much much further South into Mexico also.  I bet their deportation procedure was a lot quicker and easier also.  I can't imagine what sort of hoops the authorities have to jump through to deport someone today.  
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2014, 09:59:58 AM »
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Why? What if they're robbing you to get bread for their family?
Not the same. Being on one side of the line, and then moving to the other isn't the same as robbing someone.

I respectfully disagree. The illegal adults are robbing jobs and income that American citizens and legal residents could use. The illegal aliens send a HUGE proportion of the money they earn here back to their family in the home country, thereby draining the U.S. economy rather than circulating the money here and stimulating the economy. And both the adults and the children take advantage of taxpayer-supported services such as education and medical care to which they have not contributed and to which they have no legal right.

To put it bluntly, they're robbing us into the poorhouse ... they're just not doing it at gunpoint (yet).
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2014, 10:05:39 AM »
I watched a documentary the other day about the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and what would happen if the same magnitude were to hit today.  One thing I took away from it was after the 1906 quake there was a strong push to keep the Chinese out but they were some of the only ones to actually rebuild quicker and better than others.  Not sure of what all the particulars were but that seems to be the difference from past is that those that were choosing to come here actually wanted to contribute to society and not be sponges.
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« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2014, 10:37:56 AM »
Not sure of what all the particulars were but that seems to be the difference from past is that those that were choosing to come here actually wanted to contribute to society and not be sponges.

One of the changes is that in the past, they didn't have entitlements thrown at them. I'm much less concerned with illegals that come here to work, whether over or under the table than I am with those that come here specifically to get on the multi-generational  entitlement gravy train. Banning entitlements to non-citizens (outside of emergency services) would be a good start to immigration reform.  Doing what many countries that are considered more progressive and enlightened than the US, like Australia and New Zealand do, and requiring people to have a job or else show they have enough money to support themselves, would be another good reform as long as the path to citizenship is streamlined.

I have a friend from Canada that has been struggling to stay in the country even though she has the proper visas AND has a job. She was working as a contractor doing scientific work for the .gov in my office before I left, and as soon as her contract was up, immigration was already on her telling her she had to go back to Canada unless she got another job in 30 days (she did, a crummy one, but it was enough to keep her here while she looks for something in her area of expertise). Somehow they have the resources to keep tabs on an individual (she had to report in person to immigration at the Tijuana border on a regular basis) that came here specifically to be productive, but ignore people coming here to be leeches.

You'll find that some of the people who hate the southern border situation the most are the people who stood in line (sometimes for years, like my parents) to come here the legal way. Kinda like when someone cuts to the front of the line at Walmart and pays with EBT while you're standing at the back of the line with cash.
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2014, 10:47:22 AM »
^^^Sounds suspiciously like selective enforcement, biased in precisely the wrong direction, no?
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Re: 300k more Central American illegals on the way
« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2014, 11:34:42 AM »
Not the same. Being on one side of the line, and then moving to the other isn't the same as robbing someone.


I respectfully disagree. The illegal adults are robbing jobs and income that American citizens and legal residents could use. The illegal aliens send a HUGE proportion of the money they earn here back to their family in the home country, thereby draining the U.S. economy rather than circulating the money here and stimulating the economy. And both the adults and the children take advantage of taxpayer-supported services such as education and medical care to which they have not contributed and to which they have no legal right.

To put it bluntly, they're robbing us into the poorhouse ... they're just not doing it at gunpoint (yet).

Illegals consuming medical that no one pays for is a massive problem in the border states. Hospitals have gone under because of it, I believe.
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