Post by: wacki on August 01, 2008, 07:02:49 PM
Found this "American Hunters and Shooters Association" endorsement of Obama via Michelle Malkin
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AHSA Endorses Obama, April 16, 2008
Obama: He "gets it"
Today, as President of the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA), I announced our endorsement of Senator Barack Obama ... [snip]
Senator Obama has clearly demonstrated his commitment to the 2nd Amendment by his vote in support of the Vitter amendment to HR 5441, the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill of 2007. This amendment prevents the Government from confiscating guns in a time of crisis or emergency. Imagine how the citizens felt during Hurricane Katrina when government agents kicked in doors to confiscate law abiding citizens' guns at a time when they needed them the most. We know Senator Obama "gets it." To say that he is an elitist is patently ridiculous. To hunters and shooters everywhere, Senator Obama's vote demonstrated a fundamental understanding of the meaning of the 2nd Amendment which means he recognizes the individual right of all citizens to keep and bear arms. .....[snip]
Obama: He "gets it"
Today, as President of the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA), I announced our endorsement of Senator Barack Obama ... [snip]
Senator Obama has clearly demonstrated his commitment to the 2nd Amendment by his vote in support of the Vitter amendment to HR 5441, the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill of 2007. This amendment prevents the Government from confiscating guns in a time of crisis or emergency. Imagine how the citizens felt during Hurricane Katrina when government agents kicked in doors to confiscate law abiding citizens' guns at a time when they needed them the most. We know Senator Obama "gets it." To say that he is an elitist is patently ridiculous. To hunters and shooters everywhere, Senator Obama's vote demonstrated a fundamental understanding of the meaning of the 2nd Amendment which means he recognizes the individual right of all citizens to keep and bear arms. .....[snip]
The NRA fact sheet says otherwise (linky). The waybackmachine says this website is rather new and was founded in 2005
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 01, 2008, 07:26:23 PM
Post by: MrRezister on August 01, 2008, 11:17:01 PM
Post by: wacki on August 02, 2008, 08:28:43 AM
Check out their history:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?ID=232
And check out their board members:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=200
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Board Member Ray Schoenke has supported myriad liberal causes in recent years. He has made political contributions to Al Gore, Barbara Boxer, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. In 2000, Schoenke donated $5,000 to Handgun Control, Inc. Contributions were also made to HCI by the Ray and Holly Schoenke Foundation, enough to earn him a slot as a major benefactor of the annual HCI fundraising dinner.
Board member John Rosenthal remains the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the Massachusetts anti-gun group. He, too, is a former member of the HCI board of directors.
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AHSA board member Joe Vince is a former BATF employee who made himself infamous as a key architect of the Clinton-Gore regulatory assault on the Second Amendment.
Board member John Rosenthal remains the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the Massachusetts anti-gun group. He, too, is a former member of the HCI board of directors.
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AHSA board member Joe Vince is a former BATF employee who made himself infamous as a key architect of the Clinton-Gore regulatory assault on the Second Amendment.
Post by: Boomhauer on August 02, 2008, 08:23:44 PM
Post by: RevDisk on August 02, 2008, 10:48:05 PM
The NRA fact sheet says otherwise (linky). The waybackmachine says this website is rather new and was founded in 2005
Agreed that the group is astroturfing. But to be fair, they do claim in the second sentence of their second paragraph that their group is only two years old. So you'd want to point out
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We were formed two years ago because our research shows that millions of gun owners wanted a change.
What I don't get is the attempt at astroturfing. No one under the sun would buy Obama being pro-liberty in any way, shape or form. Let alone pro-2A.
Post by: wacki on August 03, 2008, 12:46:44 PM
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What I don't get is the attempt at astroturfing. No one under the sun would buy Obama being pro-liberty in any way, shape or form. Let alone pro-2A.
You would be surprised. Heck, there are even posters on THR and TFL that doubt claims that Obama is an anti. In fact, we've even had debates on this forum. It almost makes me want to put on a tin foil hat.
Post this stuff on any non-gun forum with even a modicum of Obama supporters and you will find yourself in a hot debate with people claiming you are "paranoid".
Post by: RevDisk on August 03, 2008, 02:13:54 PM
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What I don't get is the attempt at astroturfing. No one under the sun would buy Obama being pro-liberty in any way, shape or form. Let alone pro-2A.
You would be surprised. Heck, there are even posters on THR and TFL that doubt claims that Obama is an anti. In fact, we've even had debates on this forum. It almost makes me want to put on a tin foil hat.
Post this stuff on any non-gun forum with even a modicum of Obama supporters and you will find yourself in a hot debate with people claiming you are "paranoid".
Considering some Obama supporters are casting him in quasi-religious messiah terms, I'm not surprised. Anyone who doubts the word of the One is misguided (if the supporters are not in power), paranoid (if they are gaining power) or heretics to be purified (if they are in power).
Post by: Manedwolf on August 04, 2008, 04:13:38 AM
They sometimes shut up when you make them realize that their scoped hunting rifle is a "high powered sniper rifle" to the Dems.
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 04, 2008, 11:30:21 AM
I've seen Obama support from FUDDs, not surprisingly. "You don't need more than five rounds for hunting! Hi-caps are just for killing people!"
What about the fact some people need killing?
Post by: Boomhauer on August 04, 2008, 03:43:13 PM
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What about the fact some people need killing?
YOU CAN'T BE TAKING THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS, YOU LAWLESS VIGILANTE!
That's what they say to that.