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$314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« on: January 14, 2007, 07:43:46 PM »
This is why if I won the big one, I would take the yearly payments.  That way I could go broke 26 times instead of once.


Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
Winner Of Record-Breaking Powerball Jackpot Says Crooks Have Cleaned Out His Accounts
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(CBS/AP) A man beset by problems since winning a record lottery jackpot says he can't pay a settlement to a casino worker because thieves cleaned out his bank accounts.

Powerball winner Jack Whittaker gave that explanation in a note last fall to a lawyer for Kitti French, who accused him of assaulting her at the Tri-State Racetrack and Gaming Center, a slots-only casino near Charleston, according to a motion French's lawyer filed this week demanding payment of the confidential settlement.

Although he was already a wealthy contractor, Whittaker became an instant celebrity on Christmas Day 2002 after winning a $314.9 million Powerball jackpot. He took his winnings in a lump sum of $113 million after taxes, and at a news conference in which he came across as a jolly saint, he promised to donate one-tenth to his church and contribute to other causes.

He soon created a charity to help people find jobs, buy food or get an education; he split $7 million among three churches; and he gave money to improve a Little League park and buy playground equipment and coloring books for children.

But his life has been marred by lawsuits and personal tragedies. He faced his granddaughter's death by drug overdose in 2005; he was sued for bouncing checks at Atlantic City, N.J., casinos; he was ordered to undergo rehab after being arrested on drunken driving charges; his vehicles and business have been burglarized; and he was sued by the father of an 18-year-old boy, a friend of his granddaughter's, who was found dead in Whittaker's house.

In the latest lawsuit, Whittaker told French's lawyer, John Barrett, that "a team of crooks" cashed checks in September at 12 City National Bank branches and "got all my money," according to the motion Barrett filed Wednesday in state court.

"I intend to pay but can't without any money," Whittaker wrote, according to the motion.

An official with City National Bank said Friday the bank is investigating "small discrepancies" in Whittaker's accounts.

Calls to Whittaker and his lawyers Friday were not immediately returned.

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Re: $314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2007, 08:13:26 PM »
He volunteered for the waste of money by not admitting he was an alcoholic
and seeking help.

I feel kind of sorry for him, losing a granddaughter has gotta be rough.
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Re: $314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2007, 02:33:35 AM »
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Re: $314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2007, 04:16:12 AM »
What a twaddle
Guy was successful businessman too, you would think he could handle the money
apparantly not

Me, I'd blow it all, but I wouldn't whine about it.  undecided
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Re: $314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2007, 04:26:18 AM »
With $113,000,000 after taxes. simply putting it in Treasury bills at 5% interest would get you $5,650,000 annually . . . after taxes, you'd still get somewhere in the neighborhood of $3.5 million a year, or nearly $10,000 you could spend daily without TOUCHING your principal.

It would be nice to go on an African "Big 5" safari and come back home with more money than when I left . . .

I don't see myself getting continuously drunk or getting doped up just so I could feel worse later . . .

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Re: $314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2007, 08:51:17 AM »
For many winners, it was the worst thing that could have happened to them.  Most lottery winners declare bankruptcy within 5 years of winning.  Be careful what you wish for.
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Re: $314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2007, 09:14:06 AM »
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This is why if I won the big one, I would take the yearly payments.  That way I could go broke 26 times instead of once.

No if I won the big one I'd do like the guy in OR that won the largest one prior to this guys win.  He took 6 months before even letting the officials know he won, in order to build a mastermind group of lawyers, accountants even a publicist.

I would take the one lump sum, because I would invest 95% of my winnings. Take half of the 5% left over and just "blow" it. The other hald of that 5% would be to eliminate debt and buy the essencials.
I wouldn't touch any of the other 95% until my returns hit certain goals. Like not spend one dime of it until it doubled.

Of course I would actually have to buy a ticket in order to win.
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Re: $314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2007, 09:46:01 AM »
I agree.  The best plan would be to take the bulk of it and shop around for an annuity or something like that.  Just enough to pay you a hefty salary permanently (include health care, liability insurance, and maybe legal retainer).  Then start dividing up the rest between spending money, savings, gifts to relatives/friends, charity, etc.  The important thing is to not spend anything until you have that figured out.  Especially don't quit your job until you are sure you have enough to set you up for whatever time is necessary. 

I would definitely have to talk to a lawyer about taxes and liability as well as a finance guy or two.  I know a friend who was into finance stuff and often helped people set up annuities and such after getting settlements.  I'd probably consult with him and get a referral.

Also, don't keep all your money in checking accounts.  If this guy is not lying, that looks like what he did.  I can't imagine spending that much money, but it is obviously possible.
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Re: $314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2007, 09:48:51 AM »
I think a lot of people also don't win a great deal of money, but they still go hog wild spending money and living it up thinking it will last forever. 

There was a guy in Texas that said he was building an underground garage at his house for his car collection.  He only won 1.5 mil take home.  I figure he spent almost half that on the garage. 

It takes a pretty decent amount of money to be truly independently wealthy.  Veloce851 has it right.  You might need to put the money away and keep living your normal life for 5 or 10 years and let that money build into an early retirement nest egg.  Tax free bonds are also another option.
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Re: $314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2007, 09:58:42 AM »

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I would take the one lump sum, because I would invest 95% of my winnings. Take half of the 5% left over and just "blow" it. The other hald of that 5% would be to eliminate debt and buy the essencials.
I wouldn't touch any of the other 95% until my returns hit certain goals. Like not spend one dime of it until it doubled.

No. Way.  There's a reasons they offer you a lump-sum option, and it's not because it's good for you.

Not only do you only get a percentage of the actual winnings (usually around 60% of the stated jackpot), you also get hit with ALL the taxes up front and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it except wave and thank them for taking it.

If you go payments you can begin structuring your finances over time to minimize the tax losses.  Invest half the annual payment and live on the rest.  At the end of the 25 yr jackpot payout the revenue from the half you invested, even at a modest return, will be as much as the actual payments were.  You end up with a greater net return and you kept the govt's grubby hands off a little more of it in the interim.

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Re: $314.9 million Lottery Winner: Thieves "Got All My Money"
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2007, 10:09:40 AM »
Not only do you only get a percentage of the actual winnings (usually around 60% of the stated jackpot), you also get hit with ALL the taxes up front and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it except wave and thank them for taking it.
No. If you live in Texas or any other state without a state income tax, you're better off to get the money into your own hands now . . . if you take, say, 20 years of payments, then, first, you'll be hit with state income taxes when & if they're imposed, and second, your payments each year will be in inflation-devalued currency.

As for tax rates . . . lotto winnings are ordinary income, not subject to preferential tax treatment like (for example) capital gains. Your top marginal rate on, say, $15,000,000 a year won't be much different than your top marginal rate if you take all the money in a lump sum. And now, you have a chance to invest it, convert some to hard & portable assets, and perhaps stash some overseas (flight capital?) if you're so inclined.
Of course I would actually have to buy a ticket in order to win.
Hmmm . . . so THAT's my problem!

Actually, I regard the lotto as a tax on people who don't understand statistics . . . but I admit that I may break down and spend $5 or so when the advertised jackpot approaches the odds against winning. (Needless to say, I don't buy tickets very often.)
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2007, 12:18:03 PM »
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if you take, say, 20 years of payments, then, first, you'll be hit with state income taxes when & if they're imposed, and second, your payments each year will be in inflation-devalued currency.

True, but the devaluation would have to be 40% over the life of the payments for the devaluation savings to equal the lost income from taking the lump-sum payment.  Plus, the restructuring of tax burdens that can be accomplished with payments will reduce the income tax (federal) from the maximum (top marginal) rate to whatever effective rate you and your accountant are able to make happen with the financial maneuvering you can do over time.  If you see even a few percent reduction in the effective rate that can equate to several tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars a year when you are dealing with a front-end number in the seven digit range.

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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2007, 03:11:27 PM »
I thought the percentage you get with lump sum was due to the present value of the 25 year annuity not because you just get less money.  You get the lump sum that the state would have to pay to create the annuity to pay you those payments for 25 years.  A 25 million lottery win is for $1 million a year over 25 years, not for $25 million at present day value. 

However, if you don't trust yourself, get the 25 annual payments.  Better than blowing all the money, wrecking your life, and ending up broke.
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2007, 03:51:26 PM »
It has been said that lotteries are a tax on the poor.

I've always said, and stories like this seem to confirm, that lotteries are a tax on the stupid.

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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2007, 08:02:20 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2007, 10:26:49 PM »
OK, that's it. If I should ever win the lottery (unlikely, since I don't buy lottery tickets), I'll just turn down the money.

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2007, 05:54:31 AM »

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A 25 million lottery win is for $1 million a year over 25 years, not for $25 million at present day value.
 

Correct.  And by my math $25 million is more than the appx $15 million you get as a lump sum.


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However, if you don't trust yourself, get the 25 annual payments.


Has nothing to do with trust.  It's a matter of sound financial planning.

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2007, 07:31:27 AM »
BJ while I agree that you might end up with more in the long run.

I would rather have complete control over my winnings then rely on the state to handle it. 
During that 20 years they are making interest gains on that money.

I would rather take one lump sum for the same reason I'd rather pay the IRS at the end of the year than get a refund. 
I feel I know best how to handle and what to spend my money on.

Besides even after the excessive tax grab, (which as stated before isn't any more than if you made that annually)
It's still free money.
I would have the ability to invest it in various ways that over a 20year period could easily make up and exceed the "lost" revenue by taking a payout plan.

By having direct access to a larger sum of money your opportunities for investment in new or existing business ventures is increased.
Not to mention the wonders of compound interest on 1million versus 100K come into play.

The REAL challenge is to see if you can maintain your current lifestyle and actually use the money for the future.
Rather than taking on a billionaires "monthly lifestyle" immediately.

I'm sure we would all buy a new car and home.  But just what car and how large of a home is the key.

I could have a home paid for (including all future projected property taxes) and have several cars paid in clear. With just 100K
It all depends on your attitude going into it.

The fact is that those with the dicipline to handle it that way simply don't, are hardly ever play the lotto.

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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2007, 09:19:05 AM »
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BJ while I agree that you might end up with more in the long run.

I would rather have complete control over my winnings then rely on the state to handle it. 
During that 20 years they are making interest gains on that money.

I would rather take one lump sum for the same reason I'd rather pay the IRS at the end of the year than get a refund. 
I feel I know best how to handle and what to spend my money on.

If you know best how to handle your money, why are you giving them so much of it up front.

See, that's the problem I have with a lump-sum payment.  You not only sacrifice roughly third of the jackpot anyway, you also have ZERO control over the taxation.  In other words you are giving the goverment the most money you possibly can.

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Besides even after the excessive tax grab, (which as stated before isn't any more than if you made that annually)
It's still free money.
I would have the ability to invest it in various ways that over a 20year period could easily make up and exceed the "lost" revenue by taking a payout plan.

Okay, let's say you won a $100 million jackpot.  You take the single payment option so you only really get about $60 million of that.  The government will get a third, so you actually take home about $39.6 mil.  Now you put that into investments which perform at ... oh ... say 10% (and I think that's being pretty generous).  That's $3.96 mil a year gross revenue.

Take the same $100 mil in payments over 25 years.  That's $4 mil a year gross revenue.

Now you also factor in that you begin structuring your finances to ward off at least some of the tax man's bite.  Let's say you are lucky and figure out a way to decrease your marginal rate to 25%.  At roughly a 4% savings over full marginal that's an additional $160,000 a year in retained revenue.

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By having direct access to a larger sum of money your opportunities for investment in new or existing business ventures is increased.
Not to mention the wonders of compound interest on 1million versus 100K come into play.

You do realize that money invested in a business venture will often not return anything for at least the first 3-5 years?  In other words, no interest at all on a big chunk of your money.  Also, with that money invested in a venture, you have no source of long-term regular revenue for the bank to use as a reason to load you more.


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The REAL challenge is to see if you can maintain your current lifestyle and actually use the money for the future.
Rather than taking on a billionaires "monthly lifestyle" immediately.

I'm sure we would all buy a new car and home.  But just what car and how large of a home is the key.

I could have a home paid for (including all future projected property taxes) and have several cars paid in clear. With just 100K
It all depends on your attitude going into it.

The fact is that those with the dicipline to handle it that way simply don't, are hardly ever play the lotto.


The problem is that people who've never had money, or been tought to manage it, think that 100K is more than anyone could spend in a lifetime.  It's like play money - it means nothing to them until it's gone.  In the meantime they are buying up all the stuff they could ever want.

As you've pointed out it's the choice of lifestle that determines how well an amount of money will work for you.  Most of the people who win these jackpots don't have the foggiest clue about money management other than ignoring the bills collection notices in the mail.  Me?  I've always been a budgeter and a long-term financial thinker.  That's why they payment method is so appealing to me.  Winning a big jackpot would be no different for me financially, except that the budget numbers would be just a tad larger.

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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2007, 11:01:43 AM »
It just shows that people can be idiots no matter how much money they have.  It doesn't show that money, or alcohol for that matter, are inherently evil. 

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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2007, 11:12:16 AM »
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Take the same $100 mil in payments over 25 years.  That's $4 mil a year gross revenue.

Now you also factor in that you begin structuring your finances to ward off at least some of the tax man's bite.  Let's say you are lucky and figure out a way to decrease your marginal rate to 25%.  At roughly a 4% savings over full marginal that's an additional $160,000 a year in retained revenue.

Brad

How are you going to get to a 25% marginal rate?  The $4 million/year is ordinary income, and will put you at the top marginal rate (35% for 2006).  You are going to have to have some huge losses to drive that down to a 25% rate level (taxablae income of about $124,000).

Now, I don't know much about this kind of thing, but I am sure hoping to learn. . . .




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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2007, 11:23:27 AM »

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How are you going to get to a 25% marginal rate?  The $4 million/year is ordinary income, and will put you at the top marginal rate (35% for 2006).  You are going to have to have some huge losses to drive that down to a 25% rate level (taxablae income of about $124,000).

You will be at the top marginal rate presuming you do nothing but wait around to receive each annual check.  What I propose is an active strategy of careful long-term financial planning to minimize the tax impact on your net revenues.  In other words, treat your personal finances like a business and not like a simple bank account.

Carefully structuring your finances on an annualized basis to include certain types of investments, ventures, and planned expenses will roll down your net tax burden accordingly.  Each year, as your portfolio grows, so does your ability to use your assets more effectively (which isn't possible with a large single payment).  Properly planned, it isn't unrealistic to expect to lessen your overall tax burden by 25-30%. 

There is no patent way to go about it as each individual's situation will be unique.  Suffice it to say that, whatever happens, it will take a lot of planning, forethought, and diligence.

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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2007, 12:37:36 PM »
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Okay, let's say you won a $100 million jackpot.  You take the single payment option so you only really get about $60 million of that.  The government will get a third, so you actually take home about $39.6 mil.  Now you put that into investments which perform at ... oh ... say 10% (and I think that's being pretty generous).  That's $3.96 mil a year gross revenue.

...while leaving the 39.6 million in principle intact.  At the end of 25 years, you still have the 39.6 mill, and you can still get the 3.96 mill...

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Take the same $100 mil in payments over 25 years.  That's $4 mil a year gross revenue.


But with NO principle intact.  NO revenue after the 25 years, either.....

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