Author Topic: Tampa theater shooting by ex-police captain (Read 12631 times)

MillCreek · « **on:** January 13, 2014, 08:57:12 PM »

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/shot-tampa-bay-area-movie-theater-21517384

Wow, a shooting over texting in a movie theater. By a 71 year old ex-police captain who founded his agency's SWAT team.

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2014, 09:01:51 PM »

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2014, 10:31:14 PM »

I don't know, on one hand texting during a movie borders on grounds for justifiable homicide.

vaskidmark · « **Reply #3 on:** January 13, 2014, 10:32:53 PM »

You mean it is not OK to shoot someone texting (or otherwise using their cell phone) in a movie theater? It ought to be.

Long line this AM at the cable company when I tried to swap my router. I did not mind the person a few spots ahead of me talking on their cell phone as they waited and inched forward. But when they got to the window and told the person behind the glass to wait while they finished their conversation I sort of lost it.

What made me feel better about speaking up and telling the person to put the phone down and get her business done so the rest of us could do the same was that at least 2/3rds of those standing in line spoke up and agreed with what I had said. (I managed to use only socially appropriate words, although I was tempted to use some what would not have been.)

The thought of shooting them never crossed my mind, although the means and opportunity were there.

stay safe.

Tallpine · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2014, 11:28:09 PM »

Chad Oulsen has gone to the special hell.

dogmush · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2014, 01:25:00 AM »

Quote from: Tallpine on January 13, 2014, 11:28:09 PM

Chad Oulsen has gone to the special hell.

Nah texting during the previews is rude, but not special hell rude. That's for people that disrupt the MOVIE.

Sergeant Bob · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2014, 10:02:58 AM »

From the article:

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Cummings said the man in the back row — later identified as Reeves — got up and left the auditorium, presumably to get a manager. But he came back after a few minutes, without a manager and appearing upset. Moments later, the argument between the two men resumed, and the man in the front row stood up.

The article said he was being charged with 2nd degree murder. It seems to me that his leaving the situation, then returning later and shooting the victim would constitute murder in the 1st.

Maybe because 2nd degree is just easier to prove?

Tallpine · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2014, 10:22:14 AM »

This just goes to show that only cops and retired cops should be allowed to carry guns

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2014, 11:49:12 AM »

Sounds like he was assaulted to me.

K Frame · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2014, 12:30:48 PM »

People in the Reuters news feeds are going nuts, saying that if Florida didn't allow concealed carry this never would have happened. Idiots.

Tallpine · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2014, 12:42:31 PM »

Quote from: Mike Irwin on January 14, 2014, 12:30:48 PM

People in the Reuters news feeds are going nuts, saying that if Florida didn't allow concealed carry this never would have happened. Idiots.

National retired LEO carry

geronimotwo · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2014, 02:01:39 PM »

Quote from: Sergeant Bob on January 14, 2014, 10:02:58 AM

From the article:
The article said he was being charged with 2nd degree murder. It seems to me that his leaving the situation, then returning later and shooting the victim would constitute murder in the 1st.

Maybe because 2nd degree is just easier to prove?

it sounds like the argument escalated after he returned. is the use of ninja popcorn justification for use of force? on the face of it i would say no, but without being there i can't say. maybe the guy was climbing over the seats to get at the ex-pd?

Tallpine · « **Reply #12 on:** January 14, 2014, 06:10:13 PM »

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is the use of ninja popcorn justification for use of force?

The important thing is for even retired cops to go home safe at the end of the movie.

Lee · « **Reply #13 on:** January 14, 2014, 07:14:08 PM »

The last time I was at a movie, they stated the no cell phone use thing enough tines to make me want to do one of two things, use my cell phone or shoot someone. I'd say the blame lies with the theatre.

fifth_column · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2014, 10:29:23 AM »

Apparently the shooter was denied bail:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/movie-theater-witnesses-no-punches-only-popcorn-thrown-before-shooting/2160911

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 15, 2014, 10:36:49 AM »

Quote from: fifth_column on January 15, 2014, 10:29:23 AM

Apparently the shooter was denied bail:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/movie-theater-witnesses-no-punches-only-popcorn-thrown-before-shooting/2160911

From the article:

Maybe Reeves was having movie theater flashbacks to this, thinking popcorn was a lethal threat? Maybe Oulson actually said "popcorn" in an Ackroyd-esque ominous way? However Reeves was threatened, at least he went home safely that night rather than facing the wrath of popcorn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN-f5F-xwR4

Gewehr98 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2014, 12:39:19 PM »

We have what, over 313 million people here in the US now?

That tells me there's a good chance of more than a couple unbalanced individuals out there interacting with the public at large.

They're going to get set off by the slightest things. It's already begun, this event being just another example.

I used to flash my headlights at night as a courtesy to oncoming drivers who had their own lights off in the darkness.

Now, it's not worth the possible road rage attack.

SteveS · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2014, 01:31:49 PM »

Quote from: Gewehr98 on January 15, 2014, 12:39:19 PM

We have what, over 313 million people here in the US now?

That tells me there's a good chance of more than a couple unbalanced individuals out there interacting with the public at large.

They're going to get set off by the slightest things. It's already begun, this event being just another example.

There was a report this morning (I can't recall where) that this isn't the first time this guy has gotten into an argument over cell phone use, so apparently this really bothers him a lot.

As much as I like to speculate, there are not enough facts to really get a good picture as to what happened and if he will be able to claim self-defense. Most of the articles seem to make it seem like he shot the other guy because he was texting, instead of saying that he shot him following an argument.

There does seem to be some strange aspects to this event. As unhinged as this guy appears to be now, he managed to make it this far in life without any major problems. He was a retired police chief and had worked as chief of security for Busch Gardens. The victim claimed that he was texting his daughter. One report said that his daughter was 22 months old. I don't know any 22 month old kids that text.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #18 on:** January 15, 2014, 01:42:02 PM »

Modern media is driven by speed not accuracy. In the rush to get on the net a lot of garbage gets put out. I am waiting to see what the reality turns out to be. At this point all I feel sure of is that one guy shot one got shot. And their names

the spin is the wife got shot through the had "shielding" her hubby. her hand was on his chest
shielding? or holding him back?
this is gonna be interesting

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Tallpine · « **Reply #19 on:** January 15, 2014, 03:50:15 PM »

I think we need to bring back dueling

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #20 on:** January 15, 2014, 04:11:56 PM »

I like it

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Tallpine · « **Reply #21 on:** January 15, 2014, 04:16:02 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on January 15, 2014, 04:11:56 PM

I like it

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With swords

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #22 on:** January 15, 2014, 04:23:27 PM »

Like it more

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Tallpine · « **Reply #23 on:** January 15, 2014, 05:32:28 PM »

It was a real nice movie right up to the shooting.

Ron · « **Reply #24 on:** January 16, 2014, 11:42:36 AM »

It appears that the former police captain may have failed to utilize any de-escalation skills he had picked up along the way. I wonder if he instead of making a request nicely made the request using his command voice. It may not work as well when out of uniform. Regardless, he should be held to a higher standard of behavior instead of being just given the benefit of the doubt as a former LEO.

IMHO the best way to deal with cell phones in theaters is by not going to theaters

If you complained about the poor experience I wonder if the theater management would comp you or give you a free pass for another day?

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Author Topic: Tampa theater shooting by ex-police captain (Read 12631 times)