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Chipotle says "no guns"
« on: May 19, 2014, 10:23:00 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/19/chipotle-guns_n_5354569.html

I have mixed feelings on this


I don't support businesses who dont allow guns. Period.

But... previously they didn't have a problem. Then a bunch of dudes OC rifles in there... for whatever reason.


I'm not sure what they were trying to accomplish, but it seems it had the opposite effect.
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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 10:27:44 PM »
Chipotle has been on my FOAD list since the campaign to appease vegans by F***ing up the pinto beans.   

That's just fine.  Keep your (now) mediocre and overpriced burrito.   I was a fan,  and happily paid for tasty food, up until the point they decided to let politics influence the quality of chow.

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 10:29:01 PM »
Chipotle has been on my FOAD list since the campaign to appease vegans by F***ing up the pinto beans.   

That's just fine.  Keep your (now) mediocre and overpriced burrito.   I was a fan,  and happily paid for tasty food, up until the point they decided to let politics influence the quality of chow.

I don't eat there regularly, but I did enjoy it occasionally.

The only other similar place near me is Freebirds, which i like.. No idea of their stance on guns, but since they don't have a properly posted TX 30.06 sign, I havent needed to worry
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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 10:30:40 PM »
And anyways, i guess my major point of irritation is this is another example of a "battle" that gun rights advocates engaged in, against someone who wasn't really an enemy... but now is.
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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 10:36:59 PM »
Or maybe, some people who were not involved in the OCT (Open Carry Texas) event decided posting a picture of themselves up on the book of faces (and other things) so a group of people purporting to be moms would get in a tizzy and start making demands to the Chipotle chain. BTW, why in all that is sacred would someone want to eat at that place when I am sure there was a mom and pop mexican place within a couple of blocks boggles my mind.

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2014, 10:56:57 PM »
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-moms-texas

Based on what I have read in other media, including newspapers in Texas, I suspect there is more than a bit of truth in this story.  Way to win converts to the cause, OCT.
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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 12:08:58 AM »
Well a libertarian would say, well its is their business and they have the right to do that. Also the libertarian would also say, if you don't agree with them, no one is making you use their business.

I've never been to Chipotle, even though there is one not far from my house.
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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2014, 12:31:01 AM »
My ex and I ate at Chipotle's once. Worst restaurant food I've ever had. I looked at other diners' dishes, and they didn't look any better.

I caught an article online about the story. I love this blurb:

"The announcement came after a petition by Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, which has called on other companies to ban firearms in their stores as well. The group said its petition was in reaction to open-carry gun activists appearing at a Dallas-area Chipotle restaurant over the weekend.

Erika Soto Lamb, a spokeswoman for the group, said she thought the move by Chipotle was a "bold statement," especially considering its previous stance of complying with local laws."

I'm glad that the group was able to stop Chipotle's from complying with local laws.  ;/

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2014, 12:33:14 AM »
Well a libertarian would say, well its is their business and they have the right to do that. Also the libertarian would also say, if you don't agree with them, no one is making you us their business.

I've never been to Chipotle, even though there is one not far from my house.

I agree. My point is, their decision was preceeded by tards doing tardish things

Why would a gun owner who has all kinds of pics of him OCing a rifle everywhere choose to convince a business to NOT allow guns?
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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2014, 01:04:56 AM »
Chipotle is delicious. I really like the rice they use.

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Meh. People sometimes spit when in the presence of someone that discusses them. Sometimes you see it in movies where the hero couragesly does it when threatened against some real bad guy, but these are "gun extremests" so what they did was in fact cowardly by trying to make themselves "big men". ;/

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Why won't these gun extremists understand that they are just trying to do things like sell guns with innovative secureity features and give a simple educatation to our children? It's not like any of these things they are trying to do violates our Second Amendment rights? Think of the children.

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2014, 01:10:58 AM »
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'Cause pro-gun conservative chicks never get death threats, or hear about why/how they should be raped, or their children killed by spree killers.  ;/

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2014, 06:54:03 AM »
I l8ve the comments section. I wonder how many indignant people whonposted about being 'intimidated' by gun owners give a crap about armed NBPs outside of polling places?
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2014, 07:52:17 AM »
Those posters go to great lengths to live in "good" neighborhoods

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2014, 08:52:00 AM »
I agree. My point is, their decision was preceeded by tards doing tardish things

Why would a gun owner who has all kinds of pics of him OCing a rifle everywhere choose to convince a business to NOT allow guns?

Pretty much, in your face action really works wonders doesn't it?
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2014, 10:10:33 AM »
Those posters go to great lengths to live in "good" neighborhoods

Failing to notice, of course, that crime, like any other profit-motivated endeavor, will go where the money is.

They like to set up high-density regions of wealth, with lots of houses full of expensive toys closely spaced so the burglars and home invaders can park and walk more easily, then they wonder why the crime doesn't stay in the "bad" neighborhood less than ten minutes' drive away.

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2014, 11:01:33 AM »
It's their right to say what one can openly bring into their business.  It's your right not to do business with them.

That said, the clowns OCing ARs and such, especially when the fight is pretty much won, are not helping in the slightest.  The way to normalize open carry of firearms is to actually act normal. As I said on Facebook, if your normal carry requires an AR be slung over your back, you may want to look to moving somewhere else.

Sidearms aren't generally noticed & don't seem nearly as threatening as an EBR.  Just wear your sidearm (where legal) and go about your business as if nothing were unusual.  People will be far more accepting of that than someone walking around with a EBR w/magazine in it basically getting up in their face with it.

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2014, 11:22:08 AM »
I'm curious - how would you organize and carry out a campaign to legalize the open carry of handguns?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing that the open-carry-at-people of rifles may not be the best way to go about it.  But I'd like to hear a "better idea".

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2014, 11:29:58 AM »
Sidearms aren't generally noticed & don't seem nearly as threatening as an EBR.  Just wear your sidearm (where legal) and go about your business as if nothing were unusual.  People will be far more accepting of that than someone walking around with a EBR w/magazine in it basically getting up in their face with it.

Y'know, a PS90 is small enough to be carried in a drop leg holster for some of us.  Where would that fit in the continuum of "little gun on hip good, big gun on sling bad?"

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2014, 11:54:15 AM »
It's their right to say what one can openly bring into their business.  It's your right not to do business with them.

That said, the clowns OCing ARs and such, especially when the fight is pretty much won, are not helping in the slightest.  The way to normalize open carry of firearms is to actually act normal. As I said on Facebook, if your normal carry requires an AR be slung over your back, you may want to look to moving somewhere else.

Sidearms aren't generally noticed & don't seem nearly as threatening as an EBR.  Just wear your sidearm (where legal) and go about your business as if nothing were unusual.  People will be far more accepting of that than someone walking around with a EBR w/magazine in it basically getting up in their face with it.

As Alan Andrews of Vicious Circle/The Squirrel Report (in)fam(y) said, "don't violate the don't-be-a-dick rule. "


The flip-side of that is no group has really done a good job of expanding or defending their rights by trying to play nice, not upset people, and fly below the radar.

- The women's sufferage protests and arrests.

- The Civil Rights marchers, bus and diner sit-ins.

- The gay Stonewall riots in New York.

Honestly, if aside from the handful of anti-gun states, the main anti forces are now fighting Facebook and Twitter wars for the gun policies of Starbucks and Chipotle locations, it's obvious that overall in America, we've got the anti's fighting for crumbs.   :cool:

That said, I think the OC protests are useful. When your enemy is weak, that's when you hammer them. Now is the time to send a message: "If you don't like guns, are afraid of guns, and don't want to see guns, then shut up, and go away. Otherwise, we'll be there, in your face with guns."

However, the key is to do it on the damn sidewalk. Not inside or on private property unless it's someone who's supportive of the cause. Then this leaves the anti's impotent, and they are denied even the symbolic "win" of having a corporate chain update their firearms policy from "neutral" to "anti".
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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2014, 01:14:25 PM »
I like how my friend (retired Maj USAF) summed it up. (he is way more pro gun that most everyone I know)

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If you're an open carry advocate, good for you.

If you're an open carry advocate who goes around toting an AR or an AK, you're a frickin' toolbag and the reason we can't have nice things.


A pistol on the hip is one thing. A rifle is something completely different. If you can't understand that, don't go out in public--you're giving us all bad names.

This isn't Afghanistan or Iraq, you douchebags, it's America. All you're doing is letting your inner Lindsey Lohan out when you do *expletive deleted*it like this.

Knock it the hell off.

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2014, 01:42:30 PM »
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A pistol on the hip is one thing. A rifle is something completely different. If you can't understand that, don't go out in public--you're giving us all bad names.
While I pretty much agree with your friend, I'm not sure his "reasoning" is particularly compelling.  
"It isn't like what I do for some inexplicable reason that any right thinking person simply must agree with, so if you do it you're an assbag."  

Yeah, doesn't really cut the mustard.

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This isn't Afghanistan or Iraq, you douchebags, it's America.
I've hear the same sort of thing said about people who choose to carry a handgun every day.

Also, to be clear, while I don't routinely carry any gun openly and certainly not a rifle, I vehemently oppose laws prohibiting it.

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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2014, 01:44:59 PM »
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This isn't Afghanistan or Iraq, you douchebags, it's America.
I've hear the same sort of thing said about people who choose to carry a handgun every day.

Also, to be clear, while I don't routinely carry any gun openly and certainly not a rifle, I vehemently oppose laws prohibiting it.

Also- some places in America are not like the 'stan or iraq- the death tolls in some urban areas from random violence is actually much higher.
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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2014, 01:45:28 PM »
There are no laws. Yet. But if you want some these fools are working for you


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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2014, 01:48:28 PM »
There are no laws. Yet. But if you want some these fools are working for you


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Re: Chipotle says "no guns"
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2014, 02:24:45 PM »
I'm curious - how would you organize and carry out a campaign to legalize the open carry of handguns?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing that the open-carry-at-people of rifles may not be the best way to go about it.  But I'd like to hear a "better idea".

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What states have done it?  Look at them. 

(And I think we should.  By the time it got around to Illinois, we knew how the whole process of legalizing and then normalizing concealed carry went.)

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