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Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« on: October 07, 2009, 03:54:09 PM »
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/10/arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-he-will-continue-his-controversial-crime-suppression-operations-despite-a-department-of-homel.html

These two have been at odds since as long as the immigration issue has been prominent.

Joe usually had the upper hand being a sheriff, and Napolitano played state budget games to hurt him.

I knew she'd go over his head sooner or later as DHS head.  This will make her unpopular in AZ and hurt her attempt to take McCain's seat, but it sends the wrong message to those south of our border (those that are left south of our border at least... 25% or more of Mexico is already here in the US).

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Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio says he will continue his controversial "crime suppression operations" despite a Department of Homeland Security decision to strip him of authority to arrest suspected illegal immigrants based solely on their immigration status, the East Valley Tribune reports.

“It’s all politics,” says Arpaio, sheriff of Maricopa County.

Arpaio will still have the power to check the immigration status of people booked by his officers, but not the authority to conduct street patrols looking for illegal immigrants.

His “crime suppression operations” are saturation patrols in designated areas where deputies would find illegal immigrants by stopping them for traffic infractions and minor violations, the paper says.

The department of Justice and other federal agencies are investigating the sheriff’s office on accusations of racial profiling during the operations, the paper says.

Arpaio said he will be able to still conduct the crime sweeps under state human smuggling laws and an obscure federal law that allows local police to arrest illegal immigrants.

A spokesman for the Phoenix office of ICE declined to comment until after pending agreements with the country are signed.
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2009, 04:57:43 PM »
I'm with Joe.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 06:39:31 PM »
What's the point of having a Federal agency with a name similar to the Soviet KGB if they don't even do anything to secure the borders?

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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2009, 07:03:35 PM »
The money shot (for me, anyway):

>The department of Justice and other federal agencies are investigating the sheriff’s office on accusations of racial profiling during the operations, the paper says.<

Ummm... maybe I'm just a dumb biker. But wouldn't you almost HAVE to use "racial profiling" when searching for illegal Mexicans?

Be kinda silly to be targeting folks who look asian for that one, wouldn't it?
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 08:47:51 PM »
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Be kinda silly to be targeting folks who look asian for that one, wouldn't it?

You're not going to believe this, Strings, but large numbers of Asians have been sneaking into America over the Mexican so-called "border" the past few years. We're not talking about hundreds; we're not talking about thousands, but hundreds of thousands.
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2009, 09:10:06 PM »
Huh. Learn something new every day?

Still seems that a bit of "racial profiling" is in order. Not like there's a huge number of white illegal immigrants, or black...
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2009, 09:15:27 PM »
Not like there's a huge number of white illegal immigrants

never been to new york?  or boston?
or dc to see the illegal african immigrants?
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 12:38:05 AM »
A lot of non-Mexicans sneak over both borders, true. But many millions of Mexicans do too. Many problems, one solution.
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2009, 01:14:10 AM »
Asian illegals notwithstanding, doesn't the Mexican government actually encourage border-jumping?  That would seem like a lead pipe cinch justification for profiling. 
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2009, 02:52:28 AM »
A lot of non-Mexicans sneak over both borders, true. But many millions of Mexicans do too. Many problems, one solution.

Mine fields?  Evacuate a strip along the border and nuke it at given intervals so that it constantly glows enough to bake anyone trying to cross?  Dig a mile-wide canal from the Pacific to the Rio Grande and stock it with piranha?


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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2009, 08:29:23 AM »
Not like there's a huge number of white illegal immigrants

never been to new york?  or boston?
or dc to see the illegal african immigrants?

I have, but odds are the deputies doing the arresting in this story are doing it AZ, so DC and Boston's profile is less important.

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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2009, 09:34:52 AM »
Ummm... maybe I'm just a dumb biker. But wouldn't you almost HAVE to use "racial profiling" when searching for illegal Mexicans?

I thought (or maybe this is from some number of years ago now) that racial profiling was only illegal when it was the only descriptor.  i.e. If you were beat up by a swede, the police are no allowed to pull over every pale skinned person they see.  On the other hand, if you saw this swede was wearing a red leather jacket, then the police can pick up every pale skinned person wearing a red leather jacket.

So with this topic on border crossings, they could use the fact that they are Mexican to establish probable cause as long as they had a secondary reason for it.  I am sure it is easy to distinguish day laborers from people who have just spent a week or more in the desert.

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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2009, 10:09:43 AM »
Mine fields?  With proper warning signs, fine. I'd even make the signs bilingual. Evacuate a strip along the border and nuke it at given intervals so that it constantly glows enough to bake anyone trying to cross? No; impossible to guarantee the fallout will only blow south. And then there's the matter of contaminating groundwater . . . and EMP considerations. Dig a mile-wide canal from the Pacific to the Rio Grande and stock it with piranha? Can piranha survive in saltwater? Better to stock it with saltwater crocodiles. It wouldn't be practical to make it a mile wide, either.

Humor & sarcasm aside, a better title for this thread would be "Napolitano strikes back at America" . . . her actions are NOT in this country's best interest.  :mad:
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2009, 10:37:54 AM »
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Humor & sarcasm aside, a better title for this thread would be "Napolitano strikes back at America" . . . her actions are NOT in this country's best interest.

None of this bunch are interested in the country's best interest...destroying it and rebuilding it as the Socialist Utopia is their mission.

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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2009, 09:47:05 PM »
I always thought Arpaio would have made a great top dawg at DHS.

As far as the non-Mexican illegals, there is no reason we can't multi-task and send them home, too. 

Knock on the door, ask politely, and wipe your feet before coming in.  Bum-rushing the door ought to earn them some 30-06 therapy.
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2009, 09:24:54 PM »
What's the point of having a Federal agency with a name similar to the Soviet KGB if they don't even do anything to secure the borders?

Because the intent isn't securing the country from outsiders. The intent is internal security to control us through contrived crises.
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2009, 10:28:31 PM »
Sheriff Joe told the DHS where to shove it.
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2009, 12:48:19 PM »
Ariz. sheriff launches immigration sweep
By JACQUES BILLEAUD (AP)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gqkxAbwklmMogwQte-JHN_SEp4jgD9BCHREG4


SURPRISE, Ariz. — An Arizona sheriff known for cracking down on people who are in the country illegally launched a crime and immigration sweep in northwestern metro Phoenix on Friday, a half day after officials in Washington limited his powers to make federal immigration arrests.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, whose sweeps have led to allegations of racial profiling, said the rebuff from Washington won't stop him. He said he can still arrest immigrants under a state smuggling law and a federal law that gives all local police agencies more limited power to detain suspected illegal immigrants.

"It doesn't bother me, because we are going to do the same thing," said Arpaio, whose deputies had arrested 16 people by Friday evening on unspecified charges. "I am the elected sheriff. I don't take orders from the federal government."

The officers were participating in a federal program that grants a limited number of local police departments special powers to make immigration arrests and speed up deportation. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement stripped Arpaio of his power to let 100 deputies make federal immigration arrests, but renewed another agreement that allows 60 jails officers to determine the immigration status of people in jail.

The sheriff's sweeps in some heavily Latino areas of metro Phoenix have drawn criticism that Arpaio's deputies racially profile people. Arpaio said people pulled over in the sweeps were approached because deputies had probable cause to believe they had committed crimes and that it was only afterward that deputies found many of them were illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Justice is investigating Arpaio's office over allegations of discrimination and unconstitutional searches and seizures.

"He is doing this to thumb his nose at the Obama administration," said Lydia Guzman, president of the Hispanic civil rights group Somos America.

The sweeps have discouraged some Hispanics who have witnessed or been victims of crime to refuse to call Arpaio's deputies, for fear of mistreatment, Guzman said.

Observers who are part of Guzman's group fanned out across the area of the sweeps with video cameras to record exchanges between deputies and motorists.

Arpaio said volunteers will use cameras owned by his agency to video-record deputies so viewers can see for themselves that they weren't doing anything wrong. Arpaio responded angrily to a question during a news conference about the costs of the cameras, saying they were paid through seizures in drug cases. "Dope peddlers bought the cameras," Arpaio said.

A dozen anti-Arpaio protesters yelled throughout the news conference. At one point, they chanted: "Order equals K-K-K — here's what Arpaio has to say."

Kris Kobach, a law professor at the University of Missouri at Kansas City and an advocate of expanding local immigration efforts, said Arpaio's office — like every other local police agency — can detain people suspected of immigration violations for a day or two until federal authorities come to pick them up.

In the past, Arpaio could have held such immigrants for longer than two days and conducted investigations of smuggling rings, Kobach said.

"It's really a slight narrowing, but it's not much," said Kobach, who worked as an immigration law adviser to then-U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft from 2001-2003.

Dan Pochoda, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union, which is representing people who filed a lawsuit over the sweeps, said Arpaio still can't pull over motorists solely because they are suspected of being illegal immigrants.

"He can't do it under the terms he is claiming. He has indicated that he can stop people without the suspicion, based on what they look like, what they sound like," Pochoda said.

Arpaio said the Bush administration had no complaints about his use of the special federal powers, but all that has changed with the Obama administration.

"What's changed?" Arpaio asked. "Politics has changed, because they don't like us going on the streets to catch illegals."

This round of sweep, Arpaio's 12th, is set to end late Saturday.

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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2009, 04:28:17 PM »
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"I am the elected sheriff. I don't take orders from the federal government."

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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2009, 08:00:47 PM »
That guy has a big pair.  Heard him on Beck recently.  You guys know that there have been repeated attempts to assassinate him?  Sheriff Joe has many enemies, both foreign and in the Fedgov.

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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2009, 08:13:44 PM »
You guys know that there have been repeated attempts to assassinate him? 

don't believe the hype  the court case showed the "assasination" to be a fraud  the assasin walked cause of his deputies scams

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Alleged assassination conspiracy

James Saville was arrested in July 1999 for allegedly conspiring to murder Joe Arpaio with a pipe bomb. Saville had just completed an 18-month sentence for arson for attempting to blow up his high school by filling it with gas from 37 opened bunsen burners. While in prison, Saville had drawn crude bomb plans and expressed to a jailhouse snitch the desire to kill the prosecutor and judge in his arson case. He was arrested the day after his release while assembling a bomb in the presence of an undercover sheriff's deputy. A jury decided that undercover officers from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office had entrapped Saville by turning his assassination plans toward Sheriff Arpaio, and found Saville not guilty.[48
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Re: Napolitano strikes back at Arpaio
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2009, 02:53:33 AM »
Arpaio is an arrogant deleted, and his deputies are like any cops (some good some bad) but I do so love his refusal to stop doing his job because fed.gov don't like it. I'd sure as hell still be voting for him if I lived in AZ.
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