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Re: Negotiating peace with terrorists...
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2011, 08:54:35 AM »
Micro, the fundamental problem here is that the ANA and the US allies in Afghanistan are not fighting for freedom - they are fighting for a kleptocracy that by some accounts is actually more oppressive and dangerous to live under than the Taliban (it is without a doubt more capricious - Karzai's government doesn't appear to have any control over its own.)

The high levels of support for the Taliban as an alternative make sense.  Why would anyone help a foreign government install a bunch of thieves and rapists (that's one of the most common complaints about Afghan officials)?

The Taliban's military and organisational skill has made it an acceptable alternative, and one that's eventually going to retake the country barring some miracle.  Lots of bombing (already happening), again, has resulted in a Taliban that is stronger.

Mullah Omar may be a bad dude - but he's a better option in the eyes of the Afghans (and the "progress" over the last ten years proves it) than what we're offering. 


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Re: Negotiating peace with terrorists...
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2011, 09:05:17 AM »
Micro, the fundamental problem here is that the ANA and the US allies in Afghanistan are not fighting for freedom - they are fighting for a kleptocracy that by some accounts is actually more oppressive and dangerous to live under than the Taliban (it is without a doubt more capricious - Karzai's government doesn't appear to have any control over its own.)

The high levels of support for the Taliban as an alternative make sense.  Why would anyone help a foreign government install a bunch of thieves and rapists (that's one of the most common complaints about Afghan officials)?

The Taliban's military and organisational skill has made it an acceptable alternative, and one that's eventually going to retake the country barring some miracle.  Lots of bombing (already happening), again, has resulted in a Taliban that is stronger.

Mullah Omar may be a bad dude - but he's a better option in the eyes of the Afghans (and the "progress" over the last ten years proves it) than what we're offering. 




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Re: Negotiating peace with terrorists...
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2011, 03:59:49 PM »
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Re: Negotiating peace with terrorists...
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2011, 10:06:33 PM »
RIP Ilyas Kashmiri

Did that guy have anything to do with Taliban operations in Afghanistan?

Fitz, i agree that Omar is a bad dude - the problem is that our dude is worse.  Karzai will not last, and the Taliban are the only alternative.
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Re: Negotiating peace with terrorists...
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2011, 11:45:25 AM »
Did that guy have anything to do with Taliban operations in Afghanistan?


To the extent that Al-Quaeda has anything to do with them.

But happily there's been other updates since I've last posted:

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