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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2010, 10:26:59 AM »
I know little about logging and chain saws, but I am observant.  In this area, where there is still a lot of logging going on, I see most of the professional loggers carrying Stihl chainsaws in their trucks. 
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2010, 10:32:26 AM »
Back when I heated with wood, I had a Stihl... Kept oil in it, kept bar grease in it, and kept the chain sharp. Worked all the time.
 
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2010, 11:26:04 AM »
I'm inyo pawn shop saws myself, got an old pre-primer bulb Craftsman that does great. I am occasional use though. My dad has heated with wood only and run a big Husq for nearly 20 years. Just take the anti-kick chain the new saw comes with, close your eyes and heave that pos into the weeds. Smack your dog if it fetches it. Put a real chain on it. Sharpen often. My dad just keeps straight carbide burrs on a dotco, no time for screwing with files.
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2010, 11:34:58 AM »
Sharpening interval is determined by usage, and just how it feels and what the chips look like.  Sometimes I can go several gas refills, sometimes not even one.

IIRC, I'm using Oregon 72LG: full comp chisel chain, no safety links.

Back in Colorado cutting lodgepole and spruce, I used the semi-skip chain (72JG?) but that doesn't work well on this knotty ponderosa.

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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2010, 12:11:46 PM »
If you ever find a running Partner chainsaw at a garage sale or something, buy it. I don't think they make them anymore; they only make concrete saws and stuff now. But my dad had/has a Partner he bought decades ago and it was the best saw probably ever. He bought a Husky when the coil went out of the partner, and bought a Stihl when the husky wore out a few years later, but if he could still get parts for the Partner I have no doubt he would start using it again. A very strong-running saw with no plastic parts to break.
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2010, 01:00:54 PM »
In this area, where there is still a lot of logging going on, I see most of the professional loggers carrying Stihl chainsaws in their trucks.

Those are just the ones who aren't man enough for a real saw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szTkkJFAIGM or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY2SFAJb3uM for speed.


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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2010, 04:54:34 PM »
Fun thread.

I use a homelite XL.  Its probably older then I am.  I have no doubt that it wouldn't last a month in professional service, but for my uses, it works just fine.

If I ever replace it, id buy a Sthil, but that's just because I like buying commercial grade things.   =)

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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2010, 05:06:37 PM »
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2010, 06:44:23 PM »
I found that time spent making sure the chain was good & sharp was almost always a good investment.  Generally speaking, when I took a break, so did the saw: gas, oil, & a touch up on the chain if needed.

Doesn't take much, just a clean rat tail file of the correct size & such.

I did residential tree removal, which was a different critter from logging.  A lot more time spent making sure nothing went through the customer's roof or into the power lines.  The saws the climbers used had to be powerful, light, & easy to start.  Ground men needed larger, more powerful machines.
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2010, 07:27:57 PM »
Fun thread.

I use a homelite XL.  Its probably older then I am.  I have no doubt that it wouldn't last a month in professional service, but for my uses, it works just fine.

If I ever replace it, id buy a Sthil, but that's just because I like buying commercial grade things.   =)

I think I had one of those.  Somebody gave it to me.  It was blue, and vibrated so bad the screws would could flying out while you were cutting.  I got pretty good at catching them in mid-air.  =)

Then like a fool I went down and bought a brand new Homelite 360.  As I picked it up, the guy at the shop bragged how it would last 300 hours.  He was right, I wore it out in two months  ;/

My next saw was a Stihl 045  ;) 
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2010, 09:10:06 PM »
i've never used a bow blade   could you explain em to me?

They are...interesting.

A lot of people say they are dangerous. And they are, if you don't know what you are doing with them. Cutting with them in the wrong place on the blade WILL get you hurt/dead quick. They are pretty much unavailable new, except to licensed tree arborists, due to the liability (personally, when it comes to a frickin' chainsaw, how the hell is a bow blade more "dangerous" than a straight blade?!). You MUST keep the proper posture with them and be careful. Keeping any guards in place would also be a good idea, IMHO.

They are excellent for cutting up downed trees into logs. I find them less fatiguing and somewhat faster to use than a straight blade for that purpose. We even fell trees with them, although it's not ideal or recommended.



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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2010, 10:54:27 PM »
i'm building a firewood processor and that might be handy. i know where to find a couple
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2010, 11:26:31 PM »
i'm building a firewood processor and that might be handy. i know where to find a couple

Get some hands on instruction and practice from somebody that knows how to use one.

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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2010, 12:06:05 AM »
i will and thanks for the heads up. a chain saw when it hurts you really hurts you. the processor saw will be hydraulically driven
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2010, 12:08:19 AM »
i will and thanks for the heads up. a chain saw when it hurts you really hurts you. the processor saw will be hydraulically driven

Yea.  Chainsaws, motorcycles and guns.  You're lucky if you get the chance to have more then once accident with em.

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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2010, 12:26:46 AM »
i've done 2 outa three three outa three if you count shooting my own truck
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are a very good thing  i do regret not using hearing protection as a young feller
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2010, 10:20:23 AM »
yep,  i second the hearing protection.  i suffer from tinitus, most of which came from playing in loud bands but chainsaws are a noisy creature.  safety glasses are a must, as well as a hard hat when needed.  watch out for the dead limbs and trees, as the upper branches may break off as the tree starts to fall.  stay well clear if in doubt.

right now i'm in the process of getting my friend into a chainsaw operator course.  yesterday he asked me to help him drop two small evergreens (about 12" at the base). we roped the first tree off to avoid having it fall onto his electric line.  we both agreed on the best place for it to go, and he insisted on felling it.    he gets his saw going and cuts a wedge in the right place. then he starts to cut on the back side and is seesawing the saw back and forth.  i try to tell him to stop, but there's no hearing me with the saw going.  the tree starts to fall, bingo right where we wanted it.  he stops the saw and i go over to talk to him about his technique. we look at the stump and i point out how the hinge is totally cut off on both sides with only a crescent shape sliver left, and how it should be nearly straight across with about an inch thickness.  he points out that the tree fell right where we wanted it, and i tell him he got lucky.  so i figure my advice hasn't fallen on deaf ears, and we rope off the second tree.  this time he cuts the hinge entirely off and the tree falls directly towards where he is standing about 90 degrees from our planned landing zone).  fortunatly he is watching and steps around the tree to avoid getting hurt.  he owns an outdoor wood furnace, and heats entirely with wood so he uses his saw all the time.  i have given him some advice on cutting in the past trying not to butt-in excessively, but after watching him fell these trees i think it's time to get him some professional instruction.
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2010, 10:37:31 AM »
Stihl, Husky, Jonsered, are all good quality saws. You should be shopping only at a real saw shop, not a big box store. Like others have said, forget about using a mill saw to cut firewood. I heat with wood using a hungry outside wood boiler and do all my cutting with a Stihl MS361. It's a professional grade saw so probably a bit overkill for firewood, but it cuts fast, starts when I need it to and will probably last me decades. If you only need a cord a year, one of the smaller, homeowner or mid-range stihl models would probably suit you just fine.

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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2010, 10:40:19 AM »
Speaking of saws..  I am living proof the chaps work.  Slipped while cleaning branches off of a felled tree and touched my thigh with the saw.  It went right through the outer canvas layer and sucked in the fibers inside which stopped the saw cold.  It did not even touch the inside canvas layer or more importantly my leg!  Stood there looked at it for a few seconds, looked at my Dad, we both said "huh", cleaned the fibers out of the saw, duct taped the chaps and then went back to it.  I've been a lot more careful since then!

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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2010, 10:52:55 AM »
the processor saw will be hydraulically driven

Take a look at those big "slide boom" delimbers/log processors if you have some in your area.

They use a conventional bar and chain in a much larger pitch (1/2" ?).

Hydrualic motor driven chain, and the bar swing is controlled by a hydraulic cylinder.
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2010, 11:17:03 AM »
Actually... does anyone have any good resources for safely operating a chainsaw?

I received some good basic instruction from my dad, but would like to learn more.  Build some good habits early on...

Seems like lots of homeowner types get injured by chainsaws every year.  =|

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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2010, 11:26:20 AM »
now that the thread has most of the useful stuff time for some fun. [popcorn]


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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2010, 02:45:06 PM »
Speaking of saws..  I am living proof the chaps work.  Slipped while cleaning branches off of a felled tree and touched my thigh with the saw.  It went right through the outer canvas layer and sucked in the fibers inside which stopped the saw cold.  It did not even touch the inside canvas layer or more importantly my leg!  Stood there looked at it for a few seconds, looked at my Dad, we both said "huh", cleaned the fibers out of the saw, duct taped the chaps and then went back to it.  I've been a lot more careful since then!

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« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2010, 02:46:52 PM »
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Re: Chain saw experts
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2010, 02:58:37 PM »
now that the thread has most of the useful stuff time for some fun. [popcorn]


just remember to watch flying blades. :O

I know an instructor who used to teach people to fly helos with chainsaws...

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