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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Balog on April 02, 2014, 07:33:59 PM
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http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/study-vegetarians-less-healthy-lower-quality-of-life-than-meat-eaters/
Vegetarians were twice as likely to have allergies, a 50 percent increase in heart attacks and a 50 percent increase in incidences of cancer.
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Unfortuntly, the broad studies like this are victim to numbers scewed by other factors.
It was touched on in the article a bit, but the likelyhood of someone who becomes or is a vegitarian to be involved in other "health" fads and the likelyhood of a vegitarian being something of a hypocondric would mess with any results that want to study pure nutritional value.
Also, based on what I've observed, most "vegitarians" don't have the slightest clue what they're doing. I'm sure there are a few out there that are legitamatly healthy folks with good diets containing all their bodies need, but they are by far the minority. There are signifigently more "vegitarians" who do it to feel special, superior and get attenation.
In other words, there is a corralation between vegitarians and bad health (especially mentel health), but the corralation may be the bad health that caused them to become a vegitarian rather then the bad health stemming from being a vegitarian.
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Me Terry have pointy canine teeth.
Me Terry think Sky Person give me pointy canines for reason.
Me Terry not go against Sky Person.
Sky Person also give me Terry dominion over both things stuck in ground and things that run on ground and climb in trees and fly in sky.
Things stuck in ground good eat.
Things run on ground and climb in trees and fly in sky also good eat.
This be good think.
This make love go to Sky Person.
Me Terry
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Unfortuntly, the broad studies like this are victim to numbers scewed by other factors.
It was touched on in the article a bit, but the likelyhood of someone who becomes or is a vegitarian to be involved in other "health" fads and the likelyhood of a vegitarian being something of a hypocondric would mess with any results that want to study pure nutritional value.
Also, based on what I've observed, most "vegitarians" don't have the slightest clue what they're doing. I'm sure there are a few out there that are legitamatly healthy folks with good diets containing all their bodies need, but they are by far the minority. There are signifigently more "vegitarians" who do it to feel special, superior and get attenation.
In other words, there is a corralation between vegitarians and bad health (especially mentel health), but the corralation may be the bad health that caused them to become a vegitarian rather then the bad health stemming from being a vegitarian.
Ayup.
A lot of people who don't eat much or any meat are perfectly healthy, but they don't necessarily refer to themselves as vegetaruans either. People who refer to themselves as vegans or vegitarians do it for political or attention gettingbreasons and are almost exclusively from the political left.
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Can't remember the last time my measured temperature hit 98.6. Usually lower.
I'm a mesomorph. What suits me may not be uniformly applicable to the other 6.5 odd billion in the extant species cohort. That said, I find some resonance in Terrylogic.
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Not surprising. I've known more than one vegetarian who had an absolutely horrible diet. Ironically two of them smoked like a chimney and drank like fish. I guess they thought it all evened out in the end.
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All I know is that I don't want to die at a young age wishing I'd had that last steak.
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Never saw a vegetarian who didn't look like death warmed over, except for one.
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If you know or are around a lot of folks from India then you know or have seen healthy vegetarians. India has the highest percentage of vegetarians per capita than any other country. Many who come to the US or are natural born here adopt vegetarianism. Some don't eat meat but will consume eggs and dairy.
Just because someone does not eat animal products that doesn't mean they are eating a properly balanced vegetarian diet.
We need fat for proper absorption of nutrients and vegetarians often eat super low fat diets.
A plant based diet needs to be carefully planned in order to get the proper balance of amino acids to build muscle.
In order to get a full complement of vitamins and minerals you have to really know what mix of veggies and nuts/seeds to eat.
I'm like others above, canines and molars, eyes in the front of the head. We are opportunistic predatory omnivores.
My diet is currently about 80% plant based with occasional chicken/beef as part of one of my meals. One or two times a week I eat a couple eggs. I consume a moderate amount of cheese but no milk or creme. I've nearly eliminated processed wheat and sugar from my diet.
I try and follow the Mediterranean style of eating while being very conscience of the glycemic load of my meals. I'm not absolutest and will share a pizza with you if you are buying and will gladly wash it down with a wheat beer like Bells Oberon :laugh:
Over the last 7 years I've lost about 30lbs, nearly 45 in the last decade. My resting blood pressure before I get out of bed is 116/62 at 62bpm. Lipids? Low LDL and Triglycerides with high HDL.
I have a dear friend who abandoned 25 years of vegetarianism due to what she called the overwhelming evidence of the health benefits of moderate consumption of animal products. It was a huge step for a California new ager type earth momma to come to grips with that reality :laugh:
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This is my shocked face.
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This is my shocked face.
It looks surprisingly similar to your normal "constipated eagle" face. :lol:
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They eat vegetarian at Terminus and they look healthy. Oh, wait a minute, wrong thread.
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I eat more veggies now ( that I'm on the "caveman/paleo" diet ) than when I was a vegetarian, as a vegetarian-I ate a lot of bread/pasta/sugar products - and gained a lot of weight.
Now, 50 pounds less I eat meat/veggies....a lot more veggies now that I'm not a veggie.
Weird.
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Corn is a vegetable.
Pigs eat corn, therefore pigs are made of corn and being made of corn makes them a vegetable.
Ergo bacon, being made from pig, is a vegetable.
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I eat more veggies now ( that I'm on the "caveman/paleo" diet ) than when I was a vegetarian, as a vegetarian-I ate a lot of bread/pasta/sugar products - and gained a lot of weight.
Now, 50 pounds less I eat meat/veggies....a lot more veggies now that I'm not a veggie.
Weird.
Been several months now since I've been off Nexium. I've also noticed my knees don't bother me when going up and down the stairs. Actually I frequently find myself bounding up and down the stairs like a twenty year old.
I'm pretty much attributing it to the synergy of eliminating the processed foods, eating more whole foods (ie vegetables) and the corresponding loss of weight.
You guys want to lose weight? Stop consuming food comprised of processed flour and sugar. The pounds will melt off your frame. It is pretty amazing truth be told.
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We just bought a Vitamix. This machine does many things using whole unprocessed veggies and fruits and meats and just about anything. It makes smoothies out of whole fruits and veggies, grinds or chops up fresh meat while adding your chopped onions and chopped cheese for burgers, makes hot soup and ice cream out of healthy stuff and on and on and on. I can't wait to start using it.
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We just bought a Vitamix. This machine does many things using whole unprocessed veggies and fruits and meats and just about anything. It makes smoothies out of whole fruits and veggies, grinds or chops up fresh meat while adding your chopped onions and chopped cheese for burgers, makes hot soup and ice cream out of healthy stuff and on and on and on. I can't wait to start using it.
Use ear protection :O
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We just bought a Vitamix. This machine does many things using whole unprocessed veggies and fruits and meats and just about anything. It makes smoothies out of whole fruits and veggies, grinds or chops up fresh meat while adding your chopped onions and chopped cheese for burgers, makes hot soup and ice cream out of healthy stuff and on and on and on. I can't wait to start using it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmCqgGpR2YI
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Been several months now since I've been off Nexium. I've also noticed my knees don't bother me when going up and down the stairs. Actually I frequently find myself bounding up and down the stairs like a twenty year old.
I'm pretty much attributing it to the synergy of eliminating the processed foods, eating more whole foods (ie vegetables) and the corresponding loss of weight.
You guys want to lose weight? Stop consuming food comprised of processed flour and sugar. The pounds will melt off your frame. It is pretty amazing truth be told.
Same here, except its been a year since I've had to buy/take Prevacid .... amazing - plus I drink as much coffee as I like - it used to kill me and I would have to take a mega dose ( of prevacid ) to enjoy a few cups - I use organic stevia from traders joes, the main reason is if you get regular stevia it has other additives to make it look larger-its kind of strange at first using the such a small amount to sweeten the coffee
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Same here, except its been a year since I've had to buy/take Prevacid .... amazing - plus I drink as much coffee as I like - it used to kill me and I would have to take a mega dose ( of prevacid ) to enjoy a few cups - I use organic stevia from traders joes, the main reason is if you get regular stevia it has other additives to make it look larger-its kind of strange at first using the such a small amount to sweeten the coffee
Artificial sweeteners are a great way to mess up your system. Your body thinks it is sugar and creates the insulin for it but the insulin has nothing to do and creates all sorts of problems.
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I eat more veggies now ( that I'm on the "caveman/paleo" diet ) than when I was a vegetarian, as a vegetarian-I ate a lot of bread/pasta/sugar products - and gained a lot of weight.
Now, 50 pounds less I eat meat/veggies....a lot more veggies now that I'm not a veggie.
Weird.
I've always been told that it is difficult and takes some effort as a vegetarian to eat the right food to replace what you are not getting from various meats and animal products.
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Corn is a vegetable.
Pigs eat corn, therefore pigs are made of corn and being made of corn makes them a vegetable.
Ergo bacon, being made from pig, is a vegetable.
:'( How could you call bacon that horrible name? :'(
You guys want to lose weight? Stop consuming food comprised of processed flour...
Never!
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Artificial sweeteners are a great way to mess up your system. Your body thinks it is sugar and creates the insulin for it but the insulin has nothing to do and creates all sorts of problems.
Ah! but Stevia is an herb - it's a sweet tasting herb but its not an artificial sweetener. Unless its an artificial all natural one =D
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Ah! but Stevia is an herb - it's a sweet tasting herb but its not an artificial sweetener. Unless its an artificial all natural one =D
It is "artificial" in the sense that it tastes sweet but does not contain glucose, or other "sugars".
Oddly enough it's not just a pleasure reaction but your body reacts in the same way as it would to sugar, only worse because there isn't any sugar.
Messing up the insulin system just leads to more weight gain =(
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You guys want to lose weight? Stop consuming food comprised of processed flour and sugar.
Or you could eschew the nutritional fads and stick with a lifestyle of regular exercise combined with a diet of balanced proportions and proper serving sizes. That kinda works too. ;)
Brad
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"Three Donuts for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Donut to rule them all, One Donut to find them,
One Donut to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie."
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Or you could eschew the nutritional fads and stick with a lifestyle of regular exercise combined with a diet of balanced proportions and proper serving sizes. That kinda works too. ;)
Brad
You done quit preachin', and gone to meddlin'.
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Or you could eschew the nutritional fads and stick with a lifestyle of regular exercise combined with a diet of balanced proportions and proper serving sizes. That kinda works too. ;)
Brad
Milo: Whatchya readin', Opus?
Opus: An index to diet books. I figure if nothing else, I can improve my weight.
Milo: How about eating less and exercise.
Opus: Here's something! "The Broccoli-Broth and Bean-Bath Diet"! Naw. Too weird. I need something basic.
Milo: How about eating less and exercise.
Opus: "Dr. Frank's Frog Legs, Figs and Flatulence Diet"! Whaddya think?!
I'm going with Opus: Dr Frank's Froglegs, Figs, and Flautance diet it is!! I can't wait to see the look on my dietican's face when I tell her!!
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Or you could eschew the nutritional fads and stick with a lifestyle of regular exercise combined with a diet of balanced proportions and proper serving sizes. That kinda works too. ;)
Brad
I hardly think advocating a Mediterranean style of eating while being very aware of the glycemic load of your meals as being a fad. You sure you are quoting the correct person with your snark?
Over consumption of white flour and refined sugar are both sure fire ways to get fat. For "foods" that have very little nutritional value they are overrepresented in the typical diet, even some so called balanced diets.
If you want to be fat and enjoy all the fun of metabolic syndrome keep eating nutritionally deficient white flour products and sugar infused "food" as your primary sources of carbohydrates.
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Here is what the Mayo Clinic has to say:
Benefits of the Mediterranean diet
Research has shown that the traditional Mediterranean diet reduces the risk of heart disease. In fact, an analysis of more than 1.5 million healthy adults demonstrated that following a Mediterranean diet was associated with a reduced risk of death from heart disease and cancer, as well as a reduced incidence of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases.
Notice where refined flour and sugar show up here on this food pyramid.
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Read this link for the Mayo Clinics take on this fad diet.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/mediterranean-diet/art-20047801
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Over consumption of white flour and refined sugar are both sure fire ways to get fat. For "foods" that have very little nutritional value they are overrepresented in the typical diet, even some so called balanced diets.
Overconsumption of any food will cause you to gain weight no matter how "un-white" or "un-refined". It all still goes back to a balanced diet, regular exercise, and consuming fewer calories than you burn.
Brad
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I've been eating high protein/low carb for a year.
I was also working out with weights pretty regularly, but stopped working out ( well, except for working in a warehouse and being on my feet/active a good portion of the day )
I did not gain any weight back even though I drastically reduced my workout for a couple of months, I ate A LOT ( I never take moderation to extremes )
However, I ate a lot of beef and veggies, for some reason I cant seem to have left overs. If I cook a pound of beef with veggies I'll eat the whole thing.
Yet I didn't gain any =D
I stayed low carb, nearly ketogenic I guess except for I've given up bothering to count carbs/calories - I tried to be as low carb as I could while eating meat/veggies-only using coconut oil or butter to cook - eggs in the morning - basic paleo/caveman/wheatbelly book diet...
I can over eat and not gain weight, I do it all the time. I just don't ever eat wheat or grains or added sugar ... for treats, when I can afford them, I eat Quest bars - though lately I've been giving in to dark choclate. I'm not to worried about it.
It's way, way, better than I used to be.
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It is "artificial" in the sense that it tastes sweet but does not contain glucose, or other "sugars".
Oddly enough it's not just a pleasure reaction but your body reacts in the same way as it would to sugar, only worse because there isn't any sugar.
Messing up the insulin system just leads to more weight gain =(
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Why did I lose fifty pounds? Why don't I gain it back? November 2012 I had close to diabetic blood glucose, Eater 2013 totally normal after using Stevia and eliminating wheat/ sugar from my diet.
I have not checked but I am sure my sugar level is normal.
This study indicates we are both kind of right,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2900484/
except I do not eat any wheat/potato or processed food - I cook for myself or eat swiss or cheddar for snacks ....
I'm not really worried, my weight has been stable for a year, and I can do almost as many pullups as I could in basic training in 1978.
Of course I can't do everything I could do then but I'mm really close to the same weight ( 140 ) as when I left bootcamp.
Not bad for a 54 yr old =D
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Or you could eschew the nutritional fads and stick with a lifestyle of regular exercise combined with a diet of balanced proportions and proper serving sizes. That kinda works too. ;)
Brad
Except that it doesn't for people who have their system all messed up :facepalm:
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Here is what the Mayo Clinic has to say:Notice where refined flour and sugar show up here on this food pyramid.
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Read this link for the Mayo Clinics take on this fad diet.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/mediterranean-diet/art-20047801
The American food pyramid isn't for health, its for keeping grain farmers in business.
Ethanol in gasoline isn't for the environment, its for keeping grain farmers in business.
See a pattern forming?
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The food pyramid is gone and now the FDA has MyPlate.
They recommend only one quarter of your plate be grains and that half of all your grain consumption be whole grains.
As to your contention about the government recommendations being influenced by big ag lobbying; I've read about that back when MyPlate was first introduced. Apparently grains had an even smaller portion of the plate and they were only to be whole grains. Under pressure it was modified purportedly. I'm not sure if that is true or not. One would have to be a bit cynical and believe our government is corruptible to believe they would sell out the public's health for wealthy industries [tinfoil] <---me
Some folks at Harvard took issue with the FDA and published what they consider a better plate, one not influenced by the input of Big Ag and dairy.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-plate/
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Here is the Harvard Plate.
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Overconsumption of any food will cause you to gain weight no matter how "un-white" or "un-refined". It all still goes back to a balanced diet, regular exercise, and consuming fewer calories than you burn.
Brad
I'm not sure who you think you are arguing with. Nothing I've posted contradicts anything you've said.
Why you insist on downplaying the vacuousness of modern processed food is beyond me. I'm really surprised you haven't commented on the sensibleness of knowing the glycimic index and load of our meals. In my opinion that is what they should be teaching children in school regarding our diets. Of all people on this board I know you know all carbs are not alike.
Whatever, I've take this as an opportunity to convey good solid science based information on diet. Telling people to eat balanced meals does not convey specific knowledge. A lot of folks are still operating under the poor advice of the old food pyramid.
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I did the low carb diet thing. Could call it paleo, Mediterranean diet, whatever. Lower carbs. Ye Gods of Ishtar, it was amazing. Lost weight, felt insanely better. Eating a meal was almost as refreshing as taking a nap, I'd always feel more energetic afterwards rather than get chow coma. Food was low fat meats, plenty of bacon and lots of leafy greens. I can make about a dozen types of chicken salads. Lower carb tortillas made the best bread replacement. If anyone tells you to eat no carbs, they're bloody insane. If you want to max out your carbs, use the glycimic index. Otherwise, just count and keep it relatively low.
Problems:
1. Eat plenty of fiber. =D
2. Meat and fresh veggies are a lot more expensive than processed carbs.
3. Meat and fresh veggies are not remotely as shelf-stable as processed carbs.
4. Because of 2&3, low carb options are extremely less common to find at restaurants and other food locations outside the home.
It's not a bloody conspiracy. Processed carbs can sit on a shelf for weeks with no climate control, and they cost a fraction of meat/veggies. Ergo, they're used for everything possible. Except for home cooking, it's a pain to find low carb options on the go.
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vacuousness of modern processed food
"Processed". The ultimate food non-term.
The terms "processed", "refined", etc., are ephemeral and bereft of objectivity. They mean nothing without specification or context. They are purely subjective descriptions without meaning to anyone except the utterer, reflecting no direct criteria of nutritional value. They are terms used to conjure a mental image. Nothing more. Tagging a to a food as "processed" without specifics or context is no different than applying the term "assault" to a rifle simply because of its appearance. It objectively describes nothing. Pulling a radish out of the ground is a process. Vegetable steaming is a process. Broiling your chicken is a process. Pureeing fruits is a process. All the term means is that an action has been applied which results in a change from the item's previous state. It does nothing to describe the action, or to address any inherent benefits/detriments.
Therein lies my beef (pun intended)... The use of pop-culture nutritional terms that do not convey objective nutritional data. They only serve to inflame emotions or divert attention away from real nutritional importance and its effects on your particular lifestyle and dietary needs. They are terms dealt up by nutritional doomsdayers which have, unfortunately, been bandied about to the point they have taken on the veil of legitimacy.
I'll use sugar as an example. I constantly hear people extolling the virtues of raw sugar over white sugar. One is an all-natural breath of life, the other will kill you dead, Dead, DEAD!! Reality is that both are the same thing, a simple carbohydrate consisting of a combination of glucose and fructose. The difference, the only difference, between raw and white sugar is a spin and rinse. Raw sugar is placed in a centrifuge where the molasses is spun out and a water rinse applied. What emerges is white sugar. Same nutritional content. Same fructose/glucose ratios. If you really get nitpicky about it, you can legitimately say that raw sugar is worse for you than white sugar because some of the things that makes it taste good are, in high enough concentrations, carcinogenic. In real life all this means is that you should watch your simple carbohydrate (sugar, in any form) intake and use it in limited measure as the calorie-dense foodstuff it is, maintaining a healthy balance against the remainder of your diet.
Look, I'm not knocking your dietary choices. If it works for you, go for it. I only ask that references be nutritionally objective, not pop-culture.
Brad
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I've posted links to the Mayo Clinic and Harvard School Of Public Health that support my contentions.
When I say refined or processed flour apparently everyone except you seems to know what that means. Same for refined sugar vs natural sugars (as found naturally occurring in some food we eat ). Both of these have adverse effects on our blood sugar levels as compared to whole foods (on average). Once again, having some knowledge of the glycemic index will allow you to know how large a portion of a particular whole grain (or refined flour product) you can consume with your meal without adversely spiking your blood sugar. This is knowledge that has been around for a while now and diabetics have been using this knowledge for years now.
The only one not attempting to be precise is you. I've clarified my position very clearly with links to what I've embraced as the most scientific up to date knowledge on the subject.
You have sat on the sidelines nay saying me in particular for some reason, providing nothing more than generalities.
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that Mayo report did not look very scholarly to me. Maybe it's okay for its intended audience, but I wouldn't use it as a reference.
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Same for refined sugar vs natural sugars (as found naturally occurring in some food
There is no difference between "natural" and "refined" sugar other than concentration per unit volume. Refined cane or corn sugar is just the plant juice with the water boiled out, then the remaining solids centrifuged, rinsed, ground, and bagged.
As to the refined vs. whole foods affect on blood glucose, it has nothing to do with how "refined" they are. There are natural foods which will make your BG spike just as hard as "processed" foods. It all has to do with carbohydrate content, where the carbohydrate falls on the scale from simple to complex, and the amount ingested over time. A glass of all natural no-sugar-added OJ has almost the same simple carbohydrate content as a can of soda, thus the same effect on BG as soda. Again, has nothing to do with process or refined, just carbohydrate type and content.
Sugar, in any form regardless of natural or "refined", is the simplest of carbohydrates. Flour/potatoes/etc are some of the more complex. The simpler the carbohydrate the faster the body converts it into glucose. That's why diabetics are cautioned to eat regularly, in moderate amounts, and with an eye on both ends of the carb scale.
Breaking things down to their nutritional essentials eliminates the hype, hysteria, and inconsistent pop-culture terminology. It also makes for a much more accurate measure of a foodstuff's dietary impacts and how you can use it to your advantage.
Brad
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It also matter what you eat with what.
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that Mayo report did not look very scholarly to me. Maybe it's okay for its intended audience, but I wouldn't use it as a reference.
At the time I didn't realize folks would question an editorial published by The Mayo Clinic. The studies are numerous on the health benefits of adopting a Mediterranean style of eating. The Wiki page has links to around a dozen peer reviewed studies on the various benefits.
If you are curious about those studies here is the Wiki page that has the links to the preponderance of studies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_diet
Myself I'm not a huge fan of fish so my diet is similar but not pure. The principles behind the "diet" are easy to understand and I substitute non Mediterranean style foods and recipes regularly. More and more as mentioned I've tried to pay attention to the glycemic load of my meals. The Wiki article on that subject contains the links to the peer reviewed studies on the health impact of controlling your blood sugar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_load
Finally on the subject I've found that not being absolutist or beating myself up for the occasional doughnut at work has allowed me to maintain a healthy regular diet. My weight loss has been gradual and consistent. Just as Brad recommended regular exercise has been part of that lifestyle change.
It also matter what you eat with what.
For sure, that is also the distinction between glycemic index and load. The index rates individual items and the load is the total of the meal. The synergy of foods together alters their effect.
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The synergy of foods together alters their effect.
Wait, wut?
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Wait, wut?
I believe that the body metabolises sugar differently based on the total composition of the meal it is a part of, esp the fiber content?
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I believe that the body metabolises sugar differently based on the total composition of the meal it is a part of, esp the fiber content?
Different foods kick in different digestive reactions.
I'm not really up on this but ladypine ("grumpy lady" :lol: ) has researched a lot. She's finally found some principles that seem to be working.
I've always been able to eat about anything and stay thin. But we been eating mostly whole grains at home for 30+ years now. I like them better; can't stand white flour crap.
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Wait, wut?
Foods when combined properly may be able to provide more benefits than when eaten alone. It is known that some fat in a meal helps proper absorption of certain nutrients for example.
Another is there is some evidence that walnuts mitigate some of the effects of eating a high fat meal. Walnuts have been promoted as heart healthy and it turns out that not only are they healthy alone but they may limit the bad effects of a high fat meal.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109706019127
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^^^ Wow, that is interesting about the walnuts. And Ron, I love it when you post citations to the literature so I can read them. The first thing I do when checking out health claims is to do a Medline search to see what the journals have to say.
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I believe that the body metabolises sugar differently based on the total composition of the meal it is a part of, esp the fiber content?
I'm pretty sure that is correct.
The fructose in a piece of fruit is absorbed slower due to its fiber so it will have a lower glycimic index rating than a glass of fruit juice alone.
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Foods when combined properly may be able to provide more benefits than when eaten alone. It is known that some fat in a meal helps proper absorption of certain nutrients for example.
Another is there is some evidence that walnuts mitigate some of the effects of eating a high fat meal. Walnuts have been promoted as heart healthy and it turns out that not only are they healthy alone but they may limit the bad effects of a high fat meal.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109706019127
And fat isn't necessarily bad for you. Actually a lot better than sugar and white flour.
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And fat isn't necessarily bad for you. Actually a lot better than sugar and white flour.
I agree
Between the nuts, oil, small amounts of meat and cheese I consume I suspect I get a decent amount of my daily calories from fat. I'll still use butter here and there.
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I agree
Between the nuts, oil, small amounts of meat and cheese I consume I suspect I get a decent amount of my daily calories from fat. I'll still use butter here and there.
I try to eat fat to stay thin.
=D
really, I use butter and coconut oil for cooking and never skimp unless i aint got no money.
when I am being ketogenic i hear you burn fat instead of calories for enenergy.
Really- so far the only problem i have encountered is what Rev Disk mentioned - the price and the time - i eat beef, mostly good steak i cut into stir fry strips - i stir fry at medium temps - with veggies like green/red peppers jalapeno peppers spinach mushrooms and yellow squash - in the morning eggs - lunch is quest protein bars/cheese/apples .... what i like about this is i eat as much as i like - i often over eat - i "cheat" with dark choclate and will gain 5 to ten pounds - bringing me alllll the way up to 150 pounds - then i will go back to simple ground beef stirfrys and veggies and eggs for a week or two and be 140 or close to it....
oh yeah - i try to make two or three protein shakes a day - low carb pure egg protein powder - 40 - 60 grams of protein per serving - in coconut milk - with some frozen or fresh strawberries ...
I never eat any grains anymore, none - not for a year now ( or real close to it ) it really seems to keep me thinner/healthier - i do not miss it at all now - whenever i have a lot of money again i will get some paleo bread but its no biggie
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Gunsmith, have you had a chance to have your cholesterol checked?
On another forum I frequent there are some guys doing some form of the paleo diet. As appealing as it sounds the motivation for my dietary changes were primarily heart health. With heart disease in my family and years of not taking care of myself behind me my main focus is lowering cholesterol and enhancing endothelial health.
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We knew a rancher in Colorado that would drink a quart of pure fresh cream everyday :O
His little skinny doctor told him that he was killing himself, so Walt challenged the doc to a cholesterol test. It turned out that Walt's cholesterol was lower than the lettuce eating doctor's :P
Of course, feeding a hundred or so cows everyday in minus thirty to minus forty degree weather had something to do with it. And after that, he went to work. ;)
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Thankfully, like your friend, I seem to have a genetic disposition where my cholesterol levels never went through the roof despite a poor diet and little exercise.
Mine is easily controllable with diet/lifestyle modifications. My lipid numbers over the last 5 years track my eating habits and level of activity pretty close.
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Gunsmith, have you had a chance to have your cholesterol checked?
On another forum I frequent there are some guys doing some form of the paleo diet. As appealing as it sounds the motivation for my dietary changes were primarily heart health. With heart disease in my family and years of not taking care of myself behind me my main focus is lowering cholesterol and enhancing endothelial health.
not for a yr, but if your blood pressure is normal I wouldn't worry too much about it ( I am not a doctor but these guys are )
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2013/08/my-interview-for-jimmy-moores-cholesterol-clarity/
Widely-held beliefs, many of them propagated by “official” agencies like the FDA, USDA, American Heart Association, Academy of Dietetics and Nutrition, American Diabetes Association, etc., are crumbling under the scrutiny of informed people uninfluenced by the pharmaceutical industry, agribusiness, or the excessive profiteering ways of modern “healthcare.”
In Cholesterol Clarity, Jimmy Moore, along with the help of a couple of dozen other vocal critics of the Lipid Hypothesis, systematically take apart the flawed logic often used to justify a $23 billion per year statin drug industry. He exposes the overly-simplistic thinking and the “research” used to prop up this example of how far wrong medical care can go when richly funded. Jimmy shows how the fiction that “cholesterol causes heart disease” belongs with other fairy tales like “Cut your fat and saturated fat for heart health” and “Fat makes you fat.”
We live in a time when the messages in health have been distorted by bad science and biases introduced by corporate interests that stand to gain from a campaign of half-truths. In his characteristically genuine and straightforward style, Jimmy helps the reader understand how to navigate the real arguments behind heart disease risk unemcumbered by self-serving financial interests.
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Walnuts: another health food that tastes like garbage. =|
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Walnuts: another health food that tastes like garbage. =|
Heretic. Walnuts are delicious.
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Walnuts are good. Black walnuts are a gift from $diety.
One of the most memorable Christmas gifts I ever recieved was a 5# bag of black walnut "meat" from my aunt and uncle. The time and effort that goes into something like that is impressive.