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Asset Forfeiture
« on: February 12, 2019, 05:14:11 PM »
I'm confused. The local cops can seize everything from you or me or the nice couple down the street with no trial, no conviction, no meaningful due process at all if they just claim that they (the aw-thaw-rih-tays) think the assets might be in some way related to a crime. But El Chapo has $14 BILLION in assets, and the goobermint didn't seize those. They're only going after those assets now that he has been convicted.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-jury-convicts-mexico-drug-lord-el-chapo-after-three-month-trial-11549992888

Doesn't seem fair to me.
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2019, 05:23:53 PM »
Better lawyer(s) maybe?

Which still don't make it right
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2019, 05:41:07 PM »
El Chapo has the means to fight back, either legally or extra-legally.  "Civil forfeiture" is mostly used by the police to steal from the defenseless.  (I don't know why the Mafia doesn't start an asset recovery business, unless most of the cases are too small-potatoes.)
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2019, 12:11:40 AM »
asset forfeiture is nasty business
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr2oItXC1eM

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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2019, 07:43:32 AM »
I wondered the same thing.  I suspect his assets are better protected from seizure.  The scales of justice may weigh everybody equally, but money lubricates the mechanism.

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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2019, 09:27:02 AM »
Asset forfeiture is used mostly by land pirates.
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2019, 10:30:35 AM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on February 12, 2019, 05:14:11 PM
I'm confused. The local cops can seize everything from you or me or the nice couple down the street with no trial, no conviction, no meaningful due process at all

I assume part of it is that being an international case that required extradition, they simply don't have as direct/easy access to just seize everything.
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 10:34:00 AM »
Quote from: DittoHead on February 13, 2019, 10:30:35 AM
I assume part of it is that being an international case that required extradition, they simply don't have as direct/easy access to just seize everything.
That was my first thought.  If the money was in foreign locations, we probably have treaties allowing seizure, but only with a conviction.
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2019, 12:47:56 PM »
Quote from: brimic on February 13, 2019, 09:27:02 AM
Asset forfeiture is used mostly by land pirates.

Asset (or "civil") forfeiture usually applies to cash and motor vehicles. Are you thinking of eminent domain?
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2019, 12:53:26 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on February 13, 2019, 12:47:56 PM
Asset (or "civil") forfeiture usually applies to cash and motor vehicles. Are you thinking of eminent domain?

Young whippersnapper doesn't know what a land pirate is. :P
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2019, 04:59:40 PM »
Quote from: Ben on February 13, 2019, 12:53:26 PM
Young whippersnapper doesn't know what a land pirate is. :P

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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2019, 05:10:00 PM »
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2019, 05:11:06 PM »
Quote from: Ben on February 13, 2019, 05:10:00 PM
Ha ha - I thought it was gonna be this:

https://youtu.be/4B2a6l6wM2k

That works too :D  (probably better)
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2019, 11:40:16 PM »
Quote from: Ben on February 13, 2019, 05:10:00 PM
Ha ha - I thought it was gonna be this:

https://youtu.be/4B2a6l6wM2k

That's ok, I thought it was going to be this: https://youtu.be/OIh3nO6-V_A?t=36
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2019, 09:20:34 AM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on February 13, 2019, 12:47:56 PM
Asset (or "civil") forfeiture usually applies to cash and motor vehicles. Are you thinking of eminent domain?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oklahoma-police-erad_us_57584060e4b0e39a28ac2083
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2019, 10:24:06 AM »
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2019, 02:49:17 PM »
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2019, 03:24:30 PM »
Quote from: Regolith on February 13, 2019, 11:40:16 PM
That's ok, I thought it was going to be this: https://youtu.be/OIh3nO6-V_A?t=36

That's ok, I thought it was going to be . . . uh . . . hold on a minute . . . dagnabbit, can't find it on YouTube.

The stagecoach robbery from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.   "Stand and deliver!"

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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2019, 04:00:03 PM »
Quote from: Angel Eyes on February 14, 2019, 03:24:30 PM
That's ok, I thought it was going to be . . . uh . . . hold on a minute . . . dagnabbit, can't find it on YouTube.

The stagecoach robbery from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.   "Stand and deliver!"

Well, even if that scene isn't out there, this one is worth some thread veer. :)

https://youtu.be/mejzuQ9kVbs
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Re: Asset Forfeiture
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2019, 10:33:40 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on February 13, 2019, 12:47:56 PM
Asset (or "civil") forfeiture usually applies to cash and motor vehicles. Are you thinking of eminent domain?

You may be behind the times, they've been using it to seize houses and such for quite a long time.  Even Motels...

https://www.dailysignal.com/2015/05/07/after-having-his-motel-seized-by-the-government-victim-of-civil-asset-forfeiture-reflects-on-his-fight/
https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/us/philadelphia-drug-bust-house-seizure/index.html
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/asset-forfeiture

etc...
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