I picked a half gallon of whisky.
I picked a half gallon of whisky.
How much daily food stuff do we as a country actually get from China?
Most generics are made in India at least that’s my understanding.
I bought a box of 10 N95 masks last week for around $20.
A: take good care if yourselves, emotionally and physically.
1. If you don’t exercise, start right now, if you do, up your efforts
2. Avoid stress and anxiety- whatever comes is beyond your control, but be prepared.
3. Get your servings of fruits and veggies in every day. Take your multivitamins. I’ve been hearing chatter that D3 and K2 is supposedly particularly important.
B. Consider getting out of the markets and convert equities into cash or PMs ASAP. I missed the boat on Friday. I had already cashed out of my stocks in my IRAs and cash accounts over a week ago, i wish i would gave done the same for my 401k on Friday, but i procrastinated. You might want to buy some long term puts on the major index funds, if you have permission level on your accounts- don’t go overboard, i wouldnt risk more than 2% on a position. Worst case scenario- you’ ll thank me later when all of the sheep wake up and do the same, best case scenario, the market goes into a sliw decline ir goes flat, in which case you lose nothing anyway.
C. Avoid public places. The time to hunker down is coming up real fast. Work from home if you can. You might want to start considering whether your job is more important than your health or survival. There are likely thousands of undiagnosed cases in the US already, and there isn’t much that can be done about it, .gov is trying to avoid causing a wide spread panic, which will happen anyway.
By all accounts, things are far worse than you are being told.
I don’t want anyone to panic, I just really care about all of you curmudgeons and goofballs.
ETA: use your own intuition. You know in your gut that the situation in china is far worse than is being reported. WHO has been parroting the lies, as has the CDC- they are all shitting their pants.
From everything that ive filtered through so far, it almost looks like the WuFlu is like airborne super-AIDS, people aren’t getting better from it, just going into remission after their body fights off the initial infection.
A fine dual purpose disinfectant, good thinking.
I got a little more food. Some rice and canned stuff and some of those red beans and rice mixes. I might get more canned stuff later as I ended up throwing away some I had that was long expired.
The time to hunker down is coming up real fast. Work from home if you can. You might want to start considering whether your job is more important than your health or survival. There are likely thousands of undiagnosed cases in the US already, and there isn’t much that can be done about it, .gov is trying to avoid causing a wide spread panic, which will happen anyway.
I hope not. My current role requires I be onsite at the employer's campus, which has several hundred folks at least spread across four buildings with four floors each. Need to have a chat with a close friend tonight about prep, but odds are she's ahead me on that point.
Would anyone notice if you showed up to work with protective headgear? =D
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Couldn't get link to copy but NBC News says Italy has locked down ten towns.
So your saying I could buy some dust masks and make a killing?
This retardedness is causing supply issues for those of us who do need masks for work...I often wear one for dusty environments
After this weekend, I now have 1500ml of whiskey on hand.
Whew, that nightmare is over.
Looks like Peak Prosperity is keeping up with current info:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom
That was an interesting video. Especially food for thought was the incubation period and likely 40 day quarantines for safety. Coupled with the current empty food shelves in Italy shown in the video.
I recently had a thought that the grocery pick-up services might be a very useful thing if quarantines become widespread here. No one allowed to shop in stores but the employees, who could put it in your trunk wearing a facemask, at least. (Could go with a whole suit, if people are scared enough.)
We should be able to keep at least food supply chains going with minimal human-human interaction. Truck driver pulls up, stays in the cab. Store workers remove the contents and put them in the store.
Other store workers "shop" for people who have ordered online and load them into a trunk. Driver stays in the car and opens the trunk at home.
There is some possibility for contamination through the goods themselves, but that's a decreased likelihood, from what I've been reading about transmission.
I think that all makes sense, other than our Just in Time inventory systems in most stores. They are all set up for some set number of interactions per day. You get panic runs, and transportation won't be able to keep up.
If your average moron US resident would listen to even the bare minimum numbers the federal government puts out with 72 hours of food and water, there would likely be a good enough buffer to allow transportation to catch up to demand spike, or to allow the fed.gov to show up with MREs and water. But we have only to look at Hurricane Katrina to see how prepared people are to go even a day without a grocery store.
I've started laying in more canned goods... Soup, beans, tomatos, etc. Also laying in and freezing things like chicken and ground turkey.
If we get to the point of having discussions on "what caliber for COVID-19 zombies?", I will worry a bit more.
Yeah, you're not prepping for the Corona virus... you're prepping for the apocalypse.
And, don't you know, that since this virus originated in Asia, by keeping rice on hand as an emergency provision just proves that you're a racist bastard?
Iran is doing a bang up job.The Iranian death rate is very high. I’m not sure if that is due to quality of care, a demographic difference in who was infected, a statistical anomaly, or if they are only detecting the most severe cases. Regardless, they are at almost a 17% death rate at the moment.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/02/25/new-irans-deputy-health-minister-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
The Iranian death rate is very high. I’m not sure if that is due to quality of care, a demographic difference in who was infected, a statistical anomaly, or if they are only detecting the most severe cases. Regardless, they are at almost a 17% death rate at the moment.
The Iranian death rate is very high. I’m not sure if that is due to quality of care, a demographic difference in who was infected, a statistical anomaly, or if they are only detecting the most severe cases. Regardless, they are at almost a 17% death rate at the moment.
I meant to post this yesterday. I got some advice on prepping. Get a decent supply of bleach and vinegar. 10% bleach solution to clean countertops and other surfaces. Vinegar solution to soak or wash fruits and vegetables after you buy them. It was something I wasn't thinking about so I thought I would pass it on.
“Prime Minister Peter Pellegrini was hospitalized yesterday night due to acute upper respiratory tract infection accompanied with high temperature. Due to his condition, he is cancelling his entire schedule temporarily,” Pellegrini’s office said in a statement.
I was shopping Sunday evening, and noticed their supply of bleach had already been cleaned out.
CDC and others are starting to talk about pandemic planning if the virus starts spreading in the US...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/cdc-outlines-what-closing-schools-businesses-would-look-like-in-us-pandemic.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/us-coronavirus-outbreak-increasingly-likely-and-could-drag-markets-jefferies-says.html
“We increasingly find it hard to believe that USA cases are as low as reported, and believe that given the flow of Chinese, Korean and Iranian nationals into North America, a large USA community-based outbreak is increasingly likely,” Powell wrote.
Yeah, I'm taking this seriously now.
I just put the finishing touches on a list of stuff I'm going to start laying in now, with the intention of having a 2 to 4 week supply of food just in case the Kung really hits the Flu.
Main emphasis will be on durable foods -- dried beans, rice, pasta, canned soup, vegetables, jarred pasta sauce, oatmeal, canned/bagged meat (Spam and tuna, mainly) and peanut butter.
I'm also going to lay in several additional pounds each of pork, chicken, and ground turkey in the deep freeze.
And, my local grocery has bottled water on sale right now, so I'm going to pick up a couple of flats of that.
I need to do the same thing for Seren, as well.
I normally don't use milk, but I may pick up a quart just to have something for my coffee. Can you leave it out after it's opened or do you have to refrigerate it?
Main emphasis will be on durable foods -- dried beans, rice, pasta, canned soup, vegetables, jarred pasta sauce, oatmeal, canned/bagged meat (Spam and tuna, mainly) and peanut butter.
"As Angel Eyes suggests, it needs refrigeration after opening."
I didn't realize that you had to refrigerate flight attendants after you opened them. Maybe that's why they don't smell as fresh the next morning... >:D
As Angel Eyes suggests, it needs refrigeration after opening.
It's a different taste from normal milk. I'm fine with it, but the children complain. For cooking, I can't tell any difference.
I use the carnation powdered milk for some cooking, and when I have been out of regular milk and too embarrassingly lazy to hit the store, have used it in cereal and whatnot. Worked fine. The key is to have it really chilled.
https://www.amazon.com/Carnation-Instant-Milk-Powdered-22-75/dp/B082LYGPJ9?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1
I've gotten that (or similar) in the past, but never use enough after opening such a big package. I can't really justify keeping it on hand.
I've gotten that (or similar) in the past, but never use enough after opening such a big package. I can't really justify keeping it on hand.
What is the accepted method for storing flour?
Thanks Jim147, I'd forgotten about the fuel supply. Only have ~20 gals on hand - think I'll top off the cans come Thursday.
What is the accepted method for storing flour?
Everything I've read says refined flour is good in a cool, dark place for 1-2 years. I just keep mine in the pantry. I usually bake a loaf of bread every week or two, so a ten pound bag never sits for more than 6 months.
I am thinking about the idea of cooking for myself for 3 or 4 weeks without any outside food. I made a list of more stuff to go get tomorrow. I probably have enough now, but need to keep it more interesting so it isn't just rice and Mountain House.
Mayor London Breed announced Tuesday afternoon that while there haven't been any confirmed cases of the coronavirus disease, COVID-19, in San Francisco so far, the city needs to be prepared in case the virus spreads to the area.
https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-state-of-emergency-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak-2020-2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/25/cdc-coronavirus-test/
Good. Panic combined with incompetence is exactly what we need.
The center's director, Jay Rappaport, said the north shore research facility that's home to several thousand monkeys is well-positioned to find a vaccine for the fast-spreading virus that originated in Wuhan, a city of 11 million in China's Hubei province.
Two dozen rhesus monkeys broke out of the Tulane University Regional Primate Center last week and scurried for nearby woods, with workers following to recover them.
So, What is the best caliber to keep on hand for infected monkeys?
And what if the disease mutates and makes the monkeys really smart?
Don't forget TP, paper towels, femine hygene products, soap, toothpaste, etcI would say to consider just about any personal hygiene product. Keep yourself in as good a shape as you can so other stuff doesn't drag down your immune system. Thankfully a lot of those things last a little while.
A few things heard on Fox Business this morning:
Iran is refusing to conduct any quarantine of areas or cities. Flights seem to be going in an out unhindered as well. If the virus spread spikes, it's gonna be third world shitholes that do it.
To go back to my still current belief that panic and emotion will do more harm than the virus regarding the availability of stuff in the US: Amazon, one of the largest retailers in the world, has just told all their sellers to overstock and hoard stuff that they sell to make sure they have sufficient inventory for what? For freakin' Amazon Day in July. When people might have to worry about acquiring staple goods in the present, that's almost criminal.
Trump is going to talk about virus response tonight. His Twitter snippet that I saw makes it look like it will be a "remain calm, all is well" speech. He has asked for $2.5 billion for response. Chuck Schumer immediately put in for $8.5 billion. Pessimistically, I can't help but think Schumer is hoping for things to go bad so the dems can say, "Trump has failed you all!" It seems to me that $2.5 billion is good for now, given that it should be pretty darn easy to increase that quickly if things go bad.
I'd love to see Trump accept that $8.5B and put 5 of it towards the wall.It would be nice if that was completed to at least have shot at sealing borders in cases like this.
"Pessimistically, I can't help but think Schumer is hoping for things to go bad so the dems can say, "Trump has failed you all!""
They're already staying that. Pelosi was front and center croning on about how the money Trump asked for wasn't nearly enough and as a result the 150 million Americans not killed by Republican NRA members will be killed by the CoronaTrumpvirus.
https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-recommends-different-facial-hairstyles-work-better-with-face-masks-2020-2
Be sure your facial hair is compatible with a mask. This is one of the reasons I have been wearing a narrow goatee for years. I have to do the annual fit testing for N95, plus when I was in Fire/EMS, the Scott Air Pak had to seal.
Don't forget TP, paper towels, femine hygene products, soap, toothpaste, etc
https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-recommends-different-facial-hairstyles-work-better-with-face-masks-2020-2
Be sure your facial hair is compatible with a mask. This is one of the reasons I have been wearing a narrow goatee for years. I have to do the annual fit testing for N95, plus when I was in Fire/EMS, the Scott Air Pak had to seal.
PS: According to that graphic, I actually have a 'circle beard'. But it is nonetheless narrow and does not interfere with the N95.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8046727/45-passengers-allowed-Diamond-Princess-ship-symptoms-coronavirus.html
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/02/26/korean-air-flight-attendant-working-lax-flights-diagnosed-with-coronavirus/
Yesterday I tweeted Border Patrol source saying 91 Chinese migrants were apprehended in the Rio Grande Valley sector since Jan. 1 being tested for cvirus in isolation, handled by respirator-wearing agents. No virus. More Chinese migrants now confirmed in Del Rio Sector.
They should just rename it the ‘whack-a-mole’ virus already
Once again, behind a paywall. But since it's NY Times' paywall, I already know the content of the article -- a long, hysterical screed about how Corona virus is 100% Trump's fault because of his racism and the China trade war and his hatred of immigrants and his antipathy toward the glories of state sponsored socialism...
And, if Obama were still in office, the virus would already have been defeated by chanting, drum circles, and healthcare for all.
If you're referring to my NYTs post above I'm not getting any indication of a paywall. Odd.
If you're referring to my NYTs post above I'm not getting any indication of a paywall. Odd.
Local medical supply stores out of surgical masks
Louisville-area medical supply stores out of surgical masks amid coronavirus fears
https://www.wave3.com/2020/02/27/louisville-area-medical-supply-stores-out-surgical-masks-amid-coronavirus-fears/
My walmart out here in BFE has 0 masks.
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/2/6/21124979/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-hoarding
Lots and lots of articles detailing the uselessness of a surgical face mask in preventing infection for the person wearing it.
I always thought the advantage for masks was the infected person not coughing/spitting/sneezing particles into the air. I was thinking from a standpoint of quarantining a sick family member at home.
Adding razor blades to my list.
Look, man, I doubt it'll come to that. Most people survive the disease. No need for drastic measures if you get infected.
Well apparently I suck at shooting myself :lol:
I'm running Firefox set to strict sec with Adblocker Ultimate running. Wonder if that's jamming the paywall popup?
Oh, on the masks, a couple of things:
I have continued to look at mask availability and cost. I noticed that Home Depot has none available via the Internet, but all my local HDs listed N95 masks in stock or at the very least, limited quantities (maybe trying to stop black marketeers?). I wonder if that's because people here just don't seem worked up about the virus at this point, so maybe no one is bothering to get masks or anything else? I'd be curious to see how that looks in other regions that have HDs.
Also, I saw today that masks are becoming fashion statements with the city/wealthy/celebrity crowd, and that idiot Gwynyth Paltrow was talking up how she's wearing masks on airplanes now, and of course showed herself with one of those fashion-y runners/outdoors masks that have been the rage on Amazon. Totally worthless for virus protection of course. If nothing else maybe the virus will spread like wildfire and Darwin can have his way with these morons.
I wish I could have got more fu l but not a nought money. Why is gas going up so much? Oil is in free fall and global demand is down. We should be under $2 a gallon but it went up to $2.30.
Snippet heard on the news this morning. Some US official has said that the chances of the virus becoming a pandemic have doubled since yesterday to 40%.
While, thanks to the evil dictator Trump closing borders and other non-diverse stuff, we continue to have a low amount of reported cases, the "pandemic doubling" and continued talk of shortages and other panic rhetoric (Hello, Nancy & Chuck!) will only increase the chances of getting to the panic tipping point where every Joe Blow makes a run for the store.
I think considering the number of missteps being reported that the administration and other officials have made so far...it's likely going to spike cases this week or next in the US exponentially. California is going to see a *expletive deleted*it ton of cases soon, mark my words.
Panic only helps the democrats running against Trump. The markets are back down to levels they were when Obama was in office. Unless Trump finds a way to come out on top of this, he's gonna sink.
IMHO, his first step should be removing all regulatory barriers to producing the test kits.
Trump hopes for 'miracle' to make virus disappear
Are people blaming Trump for the market being down?
I know the Democrats will try to, but I'm not seeing people attacking Trump for the issue.
It would be like blaming President Bush for the market drops after 9/11. This is more likely to cause people to rally to Trump, than against him, I would think.
I think considering the number of missteps being reported that the administration and other officials have made so far...
their TSP gains and considering how Trump was affecting their bottom line in the long run. Those gains are gone, some even more so.
But those are short term gains. To judge where a TSP or 401K is, you would need to look at some ten year average starting at Trump -1 year and Trump +9 years. My TSP is as of this morning, still up ~$60K from just before Trump got in. I'm at a retirement ratio of only 50% stocks, so certainly someone who is 90% stocks might be negative their pre-Trump balance now. However ten years from now, they will have recovered those losses plus made more gains.
Are people blaming Trump for the market being down?
I know the Democrats will try to, but I'm not seeing people attacking Trump for the issue.
It would be like blaming President Bush for the market drops after 9/11. This is more likely to cause people to rally to Trump, than against him, I would think.
Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.
Bernie is going to be a disaster.
Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.
Bernie is going to be a disaster.
I would submit that the markets ARE fine. Every once in a while, you need to purge emotional investors. While it hurts a little bit to look at my retirement accounts today, it's no worse than any other corrections over the last few decades, where I either did nothing, or did the opposite of the panicking people. Five or so years later, I was better off than I was during the correction. Anyone who stays the course now will also be fine.
I do expect this correction to potentially stabilize/reverse in the short term, then dip again when all the multinationals post their quarterly losses due to supply chain issues related to the beer virus panic.
I don't think they're done coming down. My prediction is we see an exponential rise in positives in the next 7 days, and at least another couple percentage loss off the markets in the same time frame.
Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.Everyone exaggerates political talk. Trump would have a "read my lips" moment if he suddenly decided he didn't want to build a wall and signed an amnesty bill. Or went back on another key 2016 promise. Something like this doesn't rise to that level.
Bernie is going to be a disaster.
If they remove barriers to vaccine testing and production, the Feds would have to indemnify the vaccine manufacturers or bring it under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Otherwise, the manufactures are going to be sued up the wazoo when any side effects or complications of the vaccine occur.If memory serves, that was what I heard recommended back in the 90's. I can't remember what was done, but it wasn't that. The number of vaccine makers dropped off quite a bit.
I don't think they're done coming down. My prediction is we see an exponential rise in positives in the next 7 days, and at least another couple percentage loss off the markets in the same time frame.
2) This is highlighting some dangers of "global supply chains" at the same time that we have an administration trying to repatriate a lot of business/manufacturing
I'm kind of hoping that something good that will come of this is the US waking up to where our stuff comes from. Repatriating the production of stuff, even if it means paying 10% more, would not be a bad thing.
We don't need to stop international trade, but it would certainly be good to look at some targeted goods and services that would be better produced here (even if they are also produced elsewhere), and maybe give the producers some incentives to do it.
Having at least a skeletal infrastructure for necessary good production in our country ought to be the minimum we would accept. At least it would give us a better chance of being able to scale up, should something disruptive happen. This situation is not the worst that could happen, and we ought to use it as a wake-up call.
I don't have a lot of faith in human nature's ability to learn and apply lessons. I fear that after this is over we'll try to go back to exactly how it used to be until something worse comes along.
Unless government policy makes it economically unfavorable, companies will outsource operations to lower cost areas.
look at some targeted goods and services that would be better produced here (even if they are also produced elsewhere), and maybe give the producers some incentives to do it.I think people are very gung-ho for these kind of things when it's their guy in charge, but that doesn't last forever.
I believe you are on the best case scenario of the spectrum, and I’m on the worst case scenario end of it... people should be ready for something somewhere in between.
We're not.
I'm thinking we'll see another 5 to 10% loss in the overall market indexes over the next 2 or so weeks... IF the virus maintains its current course. If it increases the speed of spread or becomes something more lethal, all bets are off.
But, this is a correction that the market really did need. This isn't a bad thing at all. It's a "letting the air out of the bubble for reasons OTHER than investors panicking that the bubble has gotten too big and unstable."
But those are short term gains. To judge where a TSP or 401K is, you would need to look at some ten year average starting at Trump -1 year and Trump +9 years. My TSP is as of this morning, still up ~$60K from just before Trump got in. I'm at a retirement ratio of only 50% stocks, so certainly someone who is 90% stocks might be negative their pre-Trump balance now. However ten years from now, they will have recovered those losses plus made more gains.
Most people think short term, but I know quite a few who've made 5 digit gains in the last year or two under Trump.
The media is going to use this as a stick to beat Trump with.
the L2040 fund,
It's a capitalist market. Unless government policy makes it economically unfavorable, companies will outsource operations to lower cost areas. Any company that doesn't do this risks being buried by competitors who do.Govt imposed costs warp the market decisions by quite a bit. Keep corporate taxes lower and keep the administrative cost of labor under control and the US looks a lot more favorable.
Govt imposed costs warp the market decisions by quite a bit. Keep corporate taxes lower and keep the administrative cost of labor under control and the US looks a lot more favorable.
When people like Obama and his group come in, they always increase taxes, increase the regulatory burden, and increase the liability/administrative cost of employees.
"I believe you are on the best case scenario of the spectrum, and I’m on the worst case scenario end of it... people should be ready for something somewhere in between."
OK, then I'll sit at my desk and white knuckle it while drinking heavily while you run around in circles flapping your arms and screeching about how the sky is falling.
Between the two of us we should have it covered. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The majority of Iran's cases have been linked to Qom, a major religious destination for *expletive deleted*it pilgrims 85 miles south of Tehran, Iran's health ministry spokesman said on state television Tuesday. An official from Qom claimed Monday that 50 people had died in the city. Tehran quickly rejected the figure and denied hiding anything.
Iran hasn't suspended flights from China, one of its top trading partners, despite nearly all of its Middle Eastern neighbors doing so.
Shoot, I'm all smiles and giggles today. At 9am, I was up 6 figures, but that has fallen to very high 5 figures. The bigger the market crash, the more I'm going to rake in.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/27/who-says-coronavirus-entered-iran-unseen-and-undetected-warns-outbreak-could-be-even-worse.html?__twitter_impression=true
WHO says coronavirus entered Iran 'undetected,' warns outbreak could be worse than is known
I would expect nothing less from a backwards, third world shithole like Iran.
It's just sad that Islam put them into shithole status. Imagine the place with no revolution. It's not hard, there's pictures..
Current situation sucks for Haji Bob on the street, but reap the whirlwind.
/ thread drift
Girls in mini skirts going to college in Tehran?
[img]https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/shah-iran-tehran-students-copy.jpg
I guess the Shah was kind of an authoritarian ahole, but he sure seems to have been loads better than what came later.
I guess the Shah was kind of an authoritarian ahole, but he sure seems to have been loads better than what came later.
Most revolutions are an act of kicking out one authoritarian ahole and replacing them with another, often worse, authoritarian ahole
Interesting satellite imagery over China. SWAG with just the imagery and no data, but that looks like a pretty big delta and a big dropoff in movement and activity.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/china-cornvirus-coincides-plummet-nitrogen-dioxide
Girls in mini skirts going to college in Tehran?
Interesting satellite imagery over China. SWAG with just the imagery and no data, but that looks like a pretty big delta and a big dropoff in movement and activity.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/china-cornvirus-coincides-plummet-nitrogen-dioxide
^^^The Seattle-King County Health Department is holding a press conference at 4 pm to release more details. I am guessing it was someone elderly or had pre-existing disease burdens, but it will be interesting to learn the details. 0
Many of the comments coming from both sides at the link makes me want to cry for our country
Many of the comments coming from both sides at the link makes me want to cry for our country
It's not often you see the AP calls out the Democratic Party.
https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
By LAURAN NEERGAARD and CALVIN WOODWARD
This room looks like America, that is America about 40 years ago. The strength of our country is diversity across gender, race, religion and ethnicity. If you wonder why these guys never seem to have a clue, just look at the faces around that table. https://t.co/HioUuvAkLh
— Joe Lockhart (@joelockhart) March 1, 2020
BREAKING – @NYGovCuomo: "This evening we learned of the first positive case of novel #coronavirus — or COVID-19 — in New York State. The patient, a woman in her late thirties, contracted the virus while traveling abroad in Iran, and is currently isolated in her home.https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/01/gov-cuomo-announces-first-case-of-covid19-coronavirus-in-ny-state-but-he-doesnt-say-exactly-where/
— Tony Morrison (@THETonyMorrison) March 2, 2020
It’s been in NY...we’re just getting around to testing. Flat *expletive deleted*ing dropped the ball on the response...
There is no stopping this thing. With an R0 of 5+ COVID-19 can only run it's course. That's why the CDC is not testing people in the US. The fact is we already have tens of thousands infected. Look at the number of people being monitored or under self-quarantine around the country. That is the number of symptomatic cases. 10,000+ in CA and NY alone.
The government is probably making the right decision here by keeping a lid on information. This cannot be stopped so the only solution is management and clean-up. FEMA is strategically placing materials in anticipation of panic when word of the outbreak spreads. They need to coordinate across all levels of government and business to try to make this as soft of a landing as possible. They cannot let people know that we, as a society, are helpless in the face of this demon. We will run out of basic medical supplies by April and there will be no resupply from China as they will still be shut down.
The cavalry is not coming.
The longer they can keep the public placid, the better chance they have at staging supplies ahead of the mass chimpout. Officials are trying to figure out how to do things like getting meals to the children who rely on government schools for food everyday once local districts start closing. They're discussing how to keep people in their homes when they can't work and miss mortgage payments. They're trying to figure out how to keep the markets as quiet as possible because a complete economic collapse very well may kill more productive people than the virus itself. They are trying to manage as best they can with a series of horrible outcomes facing them and the longer they can plan in relative peace the better.
We are on our own.
The government has resigned itself to the fact that we will all be infected sooner or later. The trolley problem has come to life.
We can sacrifice the economy to save people or sacrifice people to save the economy.
The ride never ends.
I'd like to see some sort of reliable source for an R0 of 5+
RO = ?
To put it in perspective the regular flu is R0 around 2. Smallpox is about 6, and untreated TB is about 10.
COVID-19 being at 5 is highly unlikely, as that is more than double any other strain of Coronavirus.
From another forum:
I hate to say it, but it fits so far.
I LOVE screechy panic monkey mode!
#2 died in Washington State this morning, how long until we quit counting deaths related to this virus in the US?
I've been talking to a number of my friends and I believe that we are all ahead of the bell curve on this.
As most of us also tend to be ready for emergency events, this is a "mini-prep" and all it took us was to do a little forward-looking extra purchases of things we would have bought at some point, just to have a little extra on hand presently (so that we don't have to dip into our actual "emergency preparations.")
We tend to be more aware of what's going on in the world as that is one of our hobbies. (As evidenced by our discussions here.)When it comes to news, I mostly get it from my twitter feed, talk radio, here, and occasionally news headline sites. I stopped watching TV news of any kind years ago. I check the weather report occasionally, but that's it. With the constant liberal spin, 'if-it-bleeds-it-leads' reporting, and the "sob story of the day", I found it was just depressing.
I don't think any of use were panicking- the risk to otherwise healthy people from this virus is fairly small.1 As my biggest concern is my children, I was relieved to read how coronavirii tend not to be dangerous to young children.
As most of us also tend to be ready for emergency events, this is a "mini-prep" and all it took us was to do a little forward-looking extra purchases of things we would have bought at some point, just to have a little extra on hand presently (so that we don't have to dip into our actual "emergency preparations.")
It's surprising how little some people are aware of world events. My wife relies on me to know what's going on in the world and most of her friends don't really follow the news.
1: I'm aware we have several members who aren't "otherwise healthy", but I don't think they are panicking either. They just have a different risk structure and should take even more care to prevent infection.
Yup, that's certainly where I was. Rather than possibly needing to dip into the "real SHTF stores", I bought steak and other stuff for the freezer, and made sure I had extra convenience stuff like paper towels and TP*, and water softener salt and other things that aren't critical, but would be a nuisance to be without if I decided I didn't want to be around people for a while, or else were everyday things (that the linked article above verified) that people were going to panic buy.I have a short list at home of stuff I forgot to get last time like peanut butter and extra bread. I don't have any steaks. Thanks for the reminder. Add that to my list.
* I have always kept loads of Costco sized TP packages around in the belief that they will make me a wealthy post-apocalyptic Warlord. :laugh:
I have a short list at home of stuff I forgot to get last time like peanut butter and extra bread. I don't have any steaks. Thanks for the reminder. Add that to my list.
So one of the Washingtons state residents who is identified as having COVID-19 was in one of my clinics last week with respiratory symptoms. Guess where I am this morning, along with reps from the local and State health departments.The Mormon home storage center?
Guess where I am this morning, along with reps from the local and State health departments.
Well, one irritating tangential of a "just affects Ben" nature: With a somewhat mild Winter here, I'm needing to start spraying for weeds and whatnot, and don't have spare filters for my half mask. The 3M vapor cartridges I use that normally cost $15, are either $100 or not available. Idiots are now buying out organic vapor and acid respirators. I guess I'll need to use last year's cartridges, hope they're still good, and pick a day with some light wind.
Gotta wonder how many people that do stuff for a living that requires respiratory protection are SOL if they need replacement equipment right now.
What are you spraying that requires a respirator?
Nothing that requires one, but I'm super paranoid about breathing crap in. Just Roundup and Crossbow right now. I even wear a respirator (just a paper N95) when I use the leaf blower.
Also just heard on the news: In Iran, a religious ceremony is going on right now that requires pilgrims to kiss and lick some shrine. And they're doing it.
30 years ago we didn't have the world connected by air travel that could take a person around the globe in 24 hours.
Also just heard on the news: In Iran, a religious ceremony is going on right now that requires pilgrims to kiss and lick some shrine. And they're doing it.
In my weekly checking of panic purchasing, despite the big news push telling people not to buy masks, if anything, that must have increased the desire for them. Still either sold out or at ridiculous prices.I saw that also. A week or more ago, it wasn't all their products, but some of them. Mostly the "one month supply" type packages. Mountain House was like that also. Some of the less common cans were still available.
Auguson Farms is now quoting 1-2 MONTHS for order fulfillment. Prices seem to be normal, but they're obviously not having sales right now.
In my weekly checking of panic purchasing, despite the big news push telling people not to buy masks, if anything, that must have increased the desire for them. Still either sold out or at ridiculous prices.
Auguson Farms is now quoting 1-2 MONTHS for order fulfillment. Prices seem to be normal, but they're obviously not having sales right now.
Huh? People weren't traveling all over the world in 1990? I was traveling to tropical dive locations during that decade, and all the planes were full.
I saw that also. A week or more ago, it wasn't all their products, but some of them. Mostly the "one month supply" type packages. Mountain House was like that also. Some of the less common cans were still available.
I have to say that Auguson Farms and a few other suppliers that I use/monitor have earned my respect by not jacking up their prices, when they easily could, just like 90% of the sellers on Amazon. While I need nothing from them now, I will certainly remember them when I need to restock stuff in the future. I have to say that Home Despot has been good about selling at their regular prices. They may be out of stock, but respirators and stuff are all listed at their regular prices.I'm mixed on that. Holding prices in face of rapidly increasing demand just means that items will be unavailable. That can be worse than something being expensive.
The leader of a controversial religious sect at the center of the coronavirus outbreak in South Korea apologized Monday as the city of Seoul has started a murder investigation into the group, saying the church refused to cooperate with efforts to stop the virus.
Hearing hand-sanitizer is getting hard to find. Can't confirm this myself.
Not just from the MEFIFY
FIFY
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8063267/Videos-Iranians-LICKING-holy-shrines-despite-coronavirus-outbreak.html
Safe bet none of the dems will get asked this
I'm sure they're start running the story that Trump is endangering people by holding rallies
Reporter in crowded room asks Trump if it’s ‘safe or appropriate’ for him to hold campaign rallies because of the coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/reporter-in-crowded-room-asks-trump-if-its-safe-or-appropriate-for-him-to-hold-campaign-rallies-because-of-the-coronavirus/
Of course it's fine for them to hold the rallies. Their sense of smugness at being the woke people, overlaid with their red hot rage, will protect them from everything.
Yes, but nothing like today. Flying is cheaper, easier, and more common than 30 years ago. Now, average income brackets can travel from the US to China non-stop easily.
Maybe for pilots flying is easier today. Back in the 1960s, 70s, 80s, and 90s I loved to fly. Now I hate it. And for us plebeians back in the steerage cabin, flying is much less comfortable than 30 years ago, and the entire airport/TSA experience makes flying in general significantly more difficult and unpleasant. Thirty years ago I would fly any time I had the opportunity. I had frequent flyer accounts with four or five airlines. Today I fly only as an absolute last resort.
You're missing the point.
Today's world is better/quicker connected with quicker and cheaper transportation compared to 30 years ago. I didn't say it was a better experience for passengers. I can get to every major city in the world in 24 hours or less. And I can get to every major city fairly cheaply if I plan it right.
Today's quick, easy, convenient, cheap transportation makes containing a virus like Covid-19 nearly impossible.
Safe bet none of the dems will get asked this
I'm sure they're start running the story that Trump is endangering people by holding rallies
Reporter in crowded room asks Trump if it’s ‘safe or appropriate’ for him to hold campaign rallies because of the coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/reporter-in-crowded-room-asks-trump-if-its-safe-or-appropriate-for-him-to-hold-campaign-rallies-because-of-the-coronavirus/
Dow up 1294 points today, biggest Dow point gain everhttps://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/somebody-please-check-on-paul-krugman-dow-closes-with-the-largest-point-gain-in-a-single-day-ever/
— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) March 2, 2020
Panic buying has begun. Local Costco has been wiped clean of toilet paper.
Panic buying has begun. Local Costco has been wiped clean of toilet paper.
:laugh: Well done.
I was at Menards today. One of the things I wanted was in the paint section, happened to notice a big empty section on a shelf. Yup, masks and respirators, totally sold out.
I don't need anything (except I realized I have no liquid hand sanitizer - just hand wipes) but am really tempted to stop by the local Costco and Walmart this week just to see what, if anything, is being bought up.
I'm thinking these runs are pretty regionalized. It wasn't until yesterday that I even saw Idaho based news reports regarding the virus on a state/local level. Everything reported so far has mostly been about what's happening elsewhere (we have no reported cases in ID that I know of). Once we have a case in the state, I think we'll start seeing panic runs, at least in the Boise metro.
Costco in the Seattle area:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1234729712879976448
The Federal Reserve slashed the benchmark U.S. interest rate by half a percentage point Tuesday, the biggest cut since the financial crisis and a sign that global central banks are prepared to act to contain the economic fallout from the coronavirus.
The U.S. central bank has not made an emergency cut like this since 2008. Fed leaders voted unanimously in favor of the rate reduction. The highly unusual move comes on the heels of other central banks around the world lowering rates and calls by President Trump for a “big” Fed rate cut.
Trump should be pleased with this, he's been asking for awhile now.
However, I do think it kind of reinforces the "PANIC!" message.
The substance—dubbed “Miracle Mineral Solution” or “MMS”—has long been promoted by fringe groups as a combination miracle cure and vaccine for everything from autism to cancer and HIV/AIDS.
Drinking bleach also cures Corona?That is ridiculous. Once you know what this virus is:
The Chinese were all given mandatory vaccines last fall. The vaccine contained replicating, DIGITIZED (controllable) RNA which were activated by 60Ghz mm 5G waves that were just turned on in Wuhan (as well as all other Countries using 60Ghz 5G ) with the “smart dust” that everyone on the globe has been inhaling through chemtrails. That’s why when they say someone is “cured”, the 'virus' can be “digitally” reactivated at any time and the person can literally drop dead. The Diamond Princess Cruise ship was SPECIFICALLY equipped with 60Ghz 5G. It’s basically remote assassination. Americans are currently breathing in this “smart” dust through chemtrails. Think of it like this: add the combination of vaccines, chemtrails (smart dust) and 5G and your body becomes internally digitized & can be remotely controlled. A person’s organ functions can be stopped remotely if one is deemed non-compliant. Wuhan was a test run for ID2020. The elite call this 60Ghz mm 5G wave the “V” wave (Virus) to mock us. Trump has created a space force in part to combat this weaponized technology. We need to vehemently REJECT the attempted “mandatory vaccine” issue because our lives depend on it.It's clear that bleach isn't strong enough. Maybe mineral spirits?
The Federal Reserve is cutting but must further ease and, most importantly, come into line with other countries/competitors. We are not playing on a level field. Not fair to USA. It is finally time for the Federal Reserve to LEAD. More easing and cutting!:O
Drinking bleach also cures Corona?
I remember when it did such a great job of curing AIDS by killing your HIV...
That concept even showed up in an early episode of Law and Order when Jerry Orbach was still on the series.
BRUNING STEEL WILL NOT MELT JET FUEL11!!1
Also I spoke too soon about the president being pleased. :O
Huh? People weren't traveling all over the world in 1990? I was traveling to tropical dive locations during that decade, and all the planes were full.
I'm torn between saving my money in case of a forced, lengthy leave from work and draining the savings account for more guns and ammo . . . .
Quite a few people in this country where almost all if not all of their diet is fast food, many of them will be in loot mode within a day or two of a quarantine .
I just don't get the toilet paper thing. This virus is respiratory not GI. Kleenexes I can understand, you will be hacking up a lung but TP, your aren't crapping yourself to death, it isn't a rotavirus.
bob
I'll let you in on the Prepper's Secret. You can use TP to blow your nose.
I just don't get the toilet paper thing. This virus is respiratory not GI. Kleenexes I can understand, you will be hacking up a lung but TP, your aren't crapping yourself to death, it isn't a rotavirus.
bob
"This virus is not SARS, it's not MERS, and it's not influenza; It is a unique virus with unique characteristics," he said. "With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19."
If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal. I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases. This *expletive deleted*it has gone pandemic, and nobody is admitting it. It's in outbreak status in dozens of countries and at this point beyond control.
Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die. At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.
The us doesn't have the ICU facilities to handle the severe case load even at the much lower .9% number I've heard, because as many as 14% require hospitalization when infected.
The who is all over the place on this right now, which makes them even less trust worthy.
At this point, as badly as this administration has handled this....it will spread rapidly across the US. As the testing gets squared away, I expect the known cases to reach 5 figures this week.
Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die. At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.China is allegedly at 0.000056% infection currently and its worst province is Hubei at 0.0012%. Why would US go to 30-70%?
What is so obvious to you that we aren't doing?
South Korea is testing 10K people per day, and has been for awhile.
At last count from the CDC (which they removed from their website earlier this week) the US had tested about 500 total.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/
I'm curious as to what you think could be done better?
Here, we've reached out to some friends in the healthcare industry and they are pretty much parroting the government line.
My friend who is a Doctor locally has shared some concerns that it could go sideways on us so that's concerning.
What is so obvious to you that we aren't doing?
South Korea is testing 10K people per day, and has been for awhile.
At last count from the CDC (which they removed from their website earlier this week) the US had tested about 500 total.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/
China is allegedly at 0.000056% infection currently and its worst province is Hubei at 0.0012%. Why would US go to 30-70%?
Passenger screening from infected countries. Wasn't done. Testing. Wasn't done at any scale. As soon as china ramped this up, we should have recognized and followed suit.We shut down flights from China. The way China refused to share information and that this happened at a time Chinese were traveling all over the place made sure that containing this was near impossible.
I don't consider myself overly worried. However, this is more serious than just a nasty flu. Look at how it ravaged that nursing home in WA. It is going to get much worse in the US. Brushing it off as a non event, or a media hype storm is a mistake.
30% is the low end I've seen estimated world wide infection without major measures taken to slow the spread, as quoted by several health ministers and virologists. Swine flu was listed as a pandemic and hit 20% world wide infection.The 20% number is a retrospective total infection estimate. It is also on the very high end of estimates for the 2009 pandemic. What you seem to be doing is taking confirmed deaths/confirmed cases to come up with a death rate of 1-3% then multiplying by total infection estimates to come up with a prediction. Let's see how that plays out with real H1N1 numbers:
First, i'm only looking at how much of the population got swine fiu as a comparison, not the mortality rate.
So no, I was comparing only the numbers based off potential outbreak numbers.Yes, I know exactly what you're doing, and it is wrong. You're comparing apples to oranges and I showed with real historical numbers why that results in bad predictions. I never suggested you were using H1N1 lethality numbers, just showed the error of using ([confirmed deaths] / [confirmed cases] * [estimated total infected population]) to come up with a predicted death toll. That equation sucks.
Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA
Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA
Something about putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind...
Absolute reliance on "Made in China" was eventually gonna bite us in the ass.
Hopefully this will get people and corporations to rethink our supply chain a little but I don't have much hope. Just as soon as things calm down it will be back to business as usual until the next big flusterlcuck comes along.
Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA
It can't happen soon enough. Maybe Americans can start making things again.
Something about putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind...
Absolute reliance on "Made in China" was eventually gonna bite us in the ass.
Hopefully this will get people and corporations to rethink our supply chain a little but I don't have much hope. Just as soon as things calm down it will be back to business as usual until the next big flusterlcuck comes along.
This was from a Sam's Club in Cincinnati last night. (https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/YT6mZAOzFyvyTExWpr7q1WvesnBAggUnBHDZw8gQXJ5)
Paper products and food are our biggest exports. TP may have short term shortages, but there's not going to be a TP apocalypse.
If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal. I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases.
If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal. I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases. This *expletive deleted*it has gone pandemic, and nobody is admitting it. It's in outbreak status in dozens of countries and at this point beyond control.
Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die. At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.
The us doesn't have the ICU facilities to handle the severe case load even at the much lower .9% number I've heard, because as many as 14% require hospitalization when infected.
The who is all over the place on this right now, which makes them even less trust worthy.
At this point, as badly as this administration has handled this....it will spread rapidly across the US. As the testing gets squared away, I expect the known cases to reach 5 figures this week.
"GFS"
What is GFS? Never heard of that store before.
"Koreans... sushi."
Silly man! Koreans don't make sushi, they make bulgogi!
Looked like GFYS to me thought it was a message to Mike
Looked like GFYS to me thought it was a message to Mike
Mike,
Had to look it up. GFS is Gordon Food Service. https://www.gfs.com/en-us
On Sushi preparing Koreans, I give you Mark Pi's China Gate. The Chinese restaurant, run by Koreans, that makes excellent Japanese food. Ironically, their actual Chinese stuff is pretty average.
https://mark-pis-china-gate.business.site/
And on Bulgogi, I've never heard of the stuff but on searching it I want some.
And on Bulgogi, I've never heard of the stuff but on searching it I want some.
Trader Joes, if you have one, sells it, and it's actually really good for store bought.
Someone broke voluntary self-quarantine, went to a party, turned out to have the virus, and infected at least one other person. At this point they shouldn't be doing, "first name only to protect privacy". He deserves to be nationally ridiculed. He didn't go out for any valid. He went to a freaking party. And he works in the medical field for crying out loud.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/n-h-man-who-ignored-advice-to-stay-home-before-he-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-prompts-self-quarantine-questions
Is this a criminal offense?
Someone broke voluntary self-quarantine, went to a party, turned out to have the virus, and infected at least one other person. At this point they shouldn't be doing, "first name only to protect privacy". He deserves to be nationally ridiculed. He didn't go out for any valid. He went to a freaking party. And he works in the medical field for crying out loud.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/n-h-man-who-ignored-advice-to-stay-home-before-he-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-prompts-self-quarantine-questions
Frozen section?
I don't see how it could be. The test results weren't back yet and the "quarantine" was voluntary.
Is this a criminal offense?
Well, ten year treasury bills are now below 1%.
I guess the good news if you're a home buyer or refinacer, is that you can get conventional loans for under 3%.
Kind of an experiment I put some items in my Amazon shopping chart I know come from China (rechargeable batteries, flash drives etc..) and have notice almost every time I check my chart prices are bouncing around like crazy, sometimes doubling and then back again, and availability goes from ships tomorrow to two months to not available back to tomorrow back to not available and so on and so on.
Your local store sold out of hand sanitizer? Make some from vodka. (Kudos to the genius at @goodhousemag who came up with this.) #coronavirusnewyork https://t.co/9I1NXmmvtMhttps://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/03/05/the-coronavirus-hysteria-has-reached-a-new-level-titos-vodka-is-reduced-to-public-service-health-announcements/
— ALLISON ADATO (@editgirlnyc) March 4, 2020
Unless it's more like Everclear it won't do much good. The diy hand sanitizer needs to be 60%+ alcohol to work. Anything much under 95% alcohol, once mixed with aloe gel, won't be strong enough.
Unless it's more like Everclear it won't do much good. The diy hand sanitizer needs to be 60%+ alcohol to work. Anything much under 95% alcohol, once mixed with aloe gel, won't be strong enough.
SK seems to be on the ball with their testing. Considering the number of tests they've done, and the number of cases they have, I think they've slowed the spread there.Slowed, but it is still going up significantly. They went from 16-20% daily increases to ~8% daily increases which is still a bunch.
Facebook contractor in Seattle tests positive for the coronavirus
Slowed, but it is still going up significantly. They went from 16-20% daily increases to ~8% daily increases which is still a bunch.
Their death rate is interesting as well. Italy hit 1k detected infections on 2/29 while South Korea hit 1k detected infections on 2/26 so roughly comparable but if anything I'd expect South Korea's progression to be further along. Yet South Korea's death rate is only 0.6% as opposed to Italy's 3.8%. Last numbers I could find, South Korea has done about three times that Italy has done. I wonder if their increased testing is picking up a greater percentage of the actual cases and showing a more realistic death rate.
As a nurse, I’m very concerned that not enough is being done to stop the spread of the coronavirus. I know because I am currently sick and in quarantine after caring for a patient who tested positive. I’m awaiting “permission” from the federal government to allow for my testing, even after my physician and county health professional ordered it.
...
When employee health told me that my fever and other symptoms fit the criteria for potential coronavirus, I was put on a 14-day self-quarantine. Since the criteria was met, the testing would be done. My doctor ordered the test through the county. The public county officer called me and verified my symptoms and agreed with testing. But the National CDC would not initiate testing. They said they would not test me because if I were wearing the recommended protective equipment, then I wouldn’t have the coronavirus.
This testing situation is pathetic.
This testing situation is pathetic.I thought I heard testing was available locally now at least in most places. Just sounds odd. I would be curious to see more info on that case.
Both should be concerning, as the seasonal flu is .1% tops.Of course, but even with increased testing I wouldn't expect South Korea to catch them all. If it ends up being 0.6% overall it will be very high, but increased testing or the final retrospective estimate are likely to keep pushing that number down.
SK has also had a much lower hospitalization rate than Italy. Italy is in double digit territory for ICU treatment. SK is not.That plays nicely with the idea that Italy a has much higher infected population than they know about but is only detecting the serious or obvious cases and South Korea's increased testing is picking up more of the mild and marginal cases that would otherwise have gone ignored.
I thought I heard testing was available locally now at least in most places. Just sounds odd. I would be curious to see more info on that case.As of Wednesday some of the testing restrictions in place by the CDC were removed and most places are getting test kits just this week.
Federal officials said nearly 1 million tests were expected to be available by the end of this week. But in California, one of the country’s hardest-hit regions with 60 cases, the total testing capacity is limited to only 7,400 through the weekend, according to the California Department of Public Health.
Though the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday lifted some guidelines so anyone with symptoms can be tested by their physician, local officials can’t take advantage of the looser restrictions because of the lack of test kits. In an advisory to physicians later that day, L.A. public health officials said that they would only be testing people with severe symptoms or with milder illness and a travel history to impacted areas.
Holcomb said at a news conference Friday that a man from Marion County had been diagnosed after a recent trip to Boston.https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-first-case-reported-indiana-gov-holcomb-declares-public-health-emergency/
That man is in isolation, Holcomb said, adding that a total of 12 Indiana residents have been tested for the virus, and 35 others are being monitored. They are currently under quarantine. but none of them is sick.
I thought I heard testing was available locally now at least in most places. Just sounds odd. I would be curious to see more info on that case.
On the news about the case near Houston, they said they did the test locally and were waiting to verify it with a follow up test at the CDC. I don't know what is going on in California though.
Two thumbs up. I tell people to mix 2/3 cup of 99% isopropyl alcohol (the cheap option) or 2/3 cup Everclear (the expensive option), along with 1/3 cup plain aloe vera gel. Add a few drops of your favorite essential oil or extract if you want it to smell good. Proper handwashing technique is still the first line of defense, but I certainly use the sanitizer at work between handwashings.
Question on the composition of sanitizer:
I've carried a bottle of hand sanitizer in my car for a couple of years or more. After a few months, the stuff loses its viscosity -- no longer dispenses like a gel, it comes out as a runny liquid. A lot like alcohol, in fact, and it smells like alcohol. Is it still viable hand sanitizer after it has lost it's gel-ness, or do I need to replace it?
I locked the other two corona threads, as this one seems to be pretty much parallel to those. Putting this one on sticky for now, too.
Just a note that people were probably posting in the other threads because most people don't even check out the stickies and go straight to the non-stickied threads.
But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.
So is this seriously a "thing?"
I'm astounded by the volume of headlines on Drudge about it and you guys seem to discuss it at greater post velocity than certain other "Threads" around here.
But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.
Granted, I work from home 4/5 days and my 1 office day is in a software dev shop populated largely by introverts.
I think the virus itself is less of a thing than what it's likely to do to the economy, at least in the near term.Lots of trade shows, festivals and sports events are being cancelled. Japan is even considering cancelling the Olympic Games. Travelling is going down, prices are being dumped. Spoke to a guy over here who said his brother had bought a ticket to Vietnam for less than $100 equivalent.
So is this seriously a "thing?"
I'm astounded by the volume of headlines on Drudge about it and you guys seem to discuss it at greater post velocity than certain other "Threads" around here.
But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.
Granted, I work from home 4/5 days and my 1 office day is in a software dev shop populated largely by introverts.
So is this seriously a "thing?"
Because on Trader Joe's and Whole Foods have the proper toilet paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRlBtabKRFM
Getting sick doesn't concern me that much. My family and I are healthy enough to handle it. I'm more concerned about the effect wide spread sickness will have on goods, services, and the economy. Covid-19 will do much more damage that way than through actual death.
Beyond the real dangers of the kung-flu itself, it's probably pushing the world into global recession. Just enough spread of it could cause major economic damage.
Does the Governor have the authority to force private companies to do all of that?
And the scary part is many dems almost seem to be giddy over the prospect hoping it will bring Trump down. 2008 redux.
And the scary part is many dems almost seem to be giddy over the prospect hoping it will bring Trump down. 2008 redux.
Two thumbs up. I tell people to mix 2/3 cup of 99% isopropyl alcohol (the cheap option) or 2/3 cup Everclear (the expensive option), along with 1/3 cup plain aloe vera gel. Add a few drops of your favorite essential oil or extract if you want it to smell good. Proper handwashing technique is still the first line of defense, but I certainly use the sanitizer at work between handwashings.
Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.
Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)
:facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBiz7sQvzWI
Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.
Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)
Around 70 people were trapped after the collapse of a hotel used as a coronavirus quarantine facility in eastern China on Saturday evening, officials said.
At least 38 people have so far been rescued from the rubble of the 80-room Xinjia hotel in coastal Quanzhou city, said the local government.
They are probably gone by now, but Mal-Wart usually has 91% IPA for $2.50 a pint. It works great for backpacking stoves, should work fine for making hand sanitizer.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hotel-collapse-traps-70-eastern-china-154017056.html
Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.
Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)
My wife was at the Walmart in the tiny town she works in and it was out of hand sanitizer also. She is going to a different Walmart when she gets done with the girls game tonight so I asked her to check the tp for my bungholio. Will report later.
Ammo.com reports a big sales increase that they are attributing to beer virus panic. What I found interesting, given that .40 is out of favor now, is that their .40 sales are up over 400% - just over twice as much as the next most popular caliber, .223. I was quite surprised that 9mm wasn't at the top.
Sen. Ted Cruz will self-quarantine in Texas after interacting with an individual at CPAC who tested positive for coronavirushttps://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/08/breaking-ted-cruz-announces-he-will-self-quarantine-after-exposure-to-coronavirus-at-cpac/
Cruz said in a statement he is “not experiencing any symptoms” but “out of an abundance of caution” he stay in Texas for 14 days after the interaction
— Dianne Gallagher (@DianneG) March 8, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/08/breaking-ted-cruz-announces-he-will-self-quarantine-after-exposure-to-coronavirus-at-cpac/
"Yes, I'll have the Cuban sandwich with a side of Spanish rice, please."
"Out of my restaurant, racist!"
"What? All I was doing was—"
"You don't have to justify your racism with me, bigot! Out!"
Of course this is partially due to oil, so what's happening with the market, etc. might need to be a separate thread.
It's going to take about 6 months to shake out, is my guess.
I was also just thinking about face masks. While they aren't virus protection for most people, a surgical mask or even dust mask is certainly a good way to keep your hands away from your mouth and nose.
Or not. Watch people wearing masks and count how many times they reach up to adjust the mask to the bridge of their nose, which put fingers right next to eyes.
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Or not. Watch people wearing masks and count how many times they reach up to adjust the mask to the bridge of their nose, which put fingers right next to eyes.Somewhere I saw a video of AOC talking about not touching your face. In the same video, she touches her face and hair a dozen times or more.
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Somewhere I saw a video of AOC talking about not touching your face. In the same video, she touches her face and hair a dozen times or more.
Somewhere I saw a video of AOC talking about not touching your face. In the same video, she touches her face and hair a dozen times or more.
This is my thinking as well. Instead of throwing big money into the drop, I've been buying smaller chunks of my Vanguard funds each week. Though today's drop has me wanting to increase that a bit.
A coworker just came back from Seattle last Thursday. Family funeral, she was there for 5 days.
I've decided only phone calls to mom and dad for the time being. They're in their 80's.
No harm in being careful.
WASHINGTON (AP/Gray News) - Several hundred people are being asked to self-quarantine after potential exposure to the first identified case of the new coronavirus in the nation’s capital, now publicly identified as the rector of prominent Episcopal church.https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/09/us-capital-hit-by-coronavirus-outbreak-state-dept-warns-against-cruise-ship-travel/
Want to make bets on what percentage comply with this? I say less than 50%.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/09/us-capital-hit-by-coronavirus-outbreak-state-dept-warns-against-cruise-ship-travel/
As Trump pushes a nothing-to-see-here message in public, sources said he’s privately terrified about getting the virus. “Donald is a famous germaphobe. He hates it if someone is eating nachos and dips a chip back in after taking a bite. He calls them ‘double dippers,’” a prominent Republican said. Former Trump aide Sam Nunberg recalled Trump’s response to the last major outbreak in 2014. “When I worked for Trump, he was obsessed with Ebola,” Nunberg told me. (One Mar-a-Lago guest disputed this and said Trump was handshaking with gusto this past weekend. “He was acting like the opposite of a germaphobe,” the source said.)https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/09/vanity-fair-special-correspondents-evidence-that-donald-trump-is-melting-down-over-covid19-includes-trump-behaving-like-a-civilized-person/
People don’t know this term? https://t.co/yPm6emP3MM
— RBe (@RBPundit) March 9, 2020
Yeah, self-isolating and "punishment" for not doing so is going to start to get interesting. I just read that some Missouri (I think?) father had one daughter with the virus, was told to self-quarantine his family, and ended up taking the other daughter to a school dance. Apparently that whole school is shut down now.A number of schools are closing or will be closing soon.
WASHINGTON (AP/Gray News) - Several hundred people are being asked to self-quarantine after potential exposure to the first identified case of the new coronavirus in the nation’s capital, now publicly identified as the rector of prominent Episcopal church.
Great. Episcopalians (AFAIK) still do the full communion every week, complete with wine and wafers. I wonder how many infected wafers the good reverend has given out in the past two or three weeks.
Hand sanitizer was gone.
Hand soap was available.
Sanitizer is easier to use incidentally than soap and water is my guess.
You can gop on sanitizer without having to lather, rinse, repeat, dry...
Wot?
That's not right! The left's hype is telling me that Kung Flu has a contagion rate higher than can be counted and that we're all already dead! And it's all Orange Man's Fault! Every bit of it!
Not sure how I feel about that one... let's take potentially infected students and disburse them world wide...[tinfoil] [tinfoil]
So I got this in a text. Any thoughts?
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-election-year-diseases/partly-false-claim-every-election-year-has-a-disease-idUSKBN20S2X0
Reuters had this article listing the date information for each disease. Sounds like it doesn't all match up. However, we do seem to have a new one pop up every few years.
Also, ebola has been around a while and I thought most of the hysteria in that year was because the Obama Admin brought disease carrying people back to the US to a hospital in the middle of a major city. Not sure what they were trying to do with that.
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Italy has implemented limited movement in the whole country. Not that it would happen here, but we are about 10 days behind Italy in detected cases.
Harvard has told its students to vacate the premises (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-harvard-classes-online-spring-break/).
Not sure how I feel about that one... let's take potentially infected students and disburse them world wide...
It's coming up on Spring break -- the students were going to disperse anyway. Harvard is just telling them not to come back after break. The rest of the semester will be conducted on-line.
Wot?
That's not right! The left's hype is telling me that Kung Flu has a contagion rate higher than can be counted and that we're all already dead! And it's all Orange Man's Fault! Every bit of it!
Except a lot of the doom and gloom over it is coming from Prepperland figures, too. Matt Bracken is nearly salivating at how many it will kill in his opinion. And teh gubmint is suppressing the information to kill conservatives. Or something.
Except a lot of the doom and gloom over it is coming from Prepperland figures, too. Matt Bracken is nearly salivating at how many it will kill in his opinion. And teh gubmint is suppressing the information to kill conservatives. Or something.
Cernovich has been over the top also.
For those whove lost confidence in the government there really isn't a lot of good, alternative sources of info.
I guess Public Storage figured I need a new source of WuFlu panic. They sent me an email telling me what they're doing about it. Like I need to know. ;/All the chemical plant companies on the Gulf Coast seem to be drafting pandemic plans centered around maintaining operations. Everyone is at the minor preparation level restricting travel. We are minimizing outside contractors also.
All the chemical plant companies on the Gulf Coast seem to be drafting pandemic plans centered around maintaining operations. Everyone is at the minor preparation level restricting travel. We are minimizing outside contractors also.
Aaaand...this is congress' priority regarding covid-19 response:I have to wonder what sort of money/investments some of these D.C. people have in China. There have been some prominent democrats who occasionally go out of their way to praise and/or defend China when any criticism comes up. There was a point a couple months ago that Bloomberg did the same thing.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/10/speaker-nancy-pelosi-says-rep-kevin-mccarthy-must-take-down-his-racist-chinese-coronavirus-tweet-and-apologize/
The FAA told us to wash our hands and not come to work sick so....That was mostly what all the pandemic plans I mentioned were. Wash your hands. Keep food and bathrooms clean. Don't come to work sick. Consider working from home if possible. If you are sick, talk to your doctor and work things out with them. Your doctor should know who to contact in the local county or govt.
Literally no other guidance. No guidance on what to do or who to advise if we have symptoms or are exposed. I honestly think they don't have any plans in place, which is indicative of how this administration has run the entire response to corona.
In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49646163522_3d3835d2f5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iD4yLA)Coronastoid?
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This is following an exponential ramp up. Cases in a region pick up an order of magnitude every 16 days or so. Don't be surprised when 1000 cases turns into 10k cases... and then 100k cases.. in the period of 4-5 weeks.Should I assume competence among communist decision makers?
China, the worlds second largest economy, utterly crippled themselves economically implementing drastic measures. Do you really think the communists did this for an infection like the plain old flu?
Should I assume competence among communist decision makers?
This is following an exponential ramp up. Cases in a region pick up an order of magnitude every 16 days or so. Don't be surprised when 1000 cases turns into 10k cases... and then 100k cases.. in the period of 4-5 weeks.
China, the worlds second largest economy, utterly crippled themselves economically implementing drastic measures. Do you really think the communists did this for an infection like the plain old flu?
So at 100K, around 4K deaths (assuming the current WHO ~4% mortality)? We'll still be well under the regular flu, and we're fast approaching the end of the flu season. We'll likely see 4000 automobile related deaths in the same time period.
We don't really know where the inflection point is though. Could be a few more orders of magnitude on top of that.
CORONAVIRUS LOOPHOLE!!!!! If you don’t have insurance and can’t afford to take the $3200 test for the virus ($1000 with insurance), DONATE BLOOD. They HAVE to test you for the virus in order to donate blood. Tell your friends! Tell your family!!!!!https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/11/tweet-telling-sick-people-to-go-donate-blood-for-a-free-coronavirus-test-has-200000-likes-and-counting/
— una puta mala (@VL0ko) March 9, 2020
JUST IN: Three TSA officers at #SanJose Int’l Airport have tested positive for #coronavirus. TSA: “all TSA employees they have come in contact with (them) over the past 14 days are quarantined at home.” #SJC #airtravel.
Full statement: pic.twitter.com/jj7JKlRYBP
— Ian Cull (@NBCian) March 11, 2020
A looming shortage in lab materials is threatening to delay coronavirus test results and cause officials to undercount the number of Americans with the virus.
"Hunter Biden's lawyers alerted the Arkansas judge presiding over the child support lawsuit against him that he will be unable to attend his scheduled court deposition this week, citing travel restrictions caused by the coronavirus…" – https://t.co/imINeEJZQc
— Eliana Johnson (@elianayjohnson) March 10, 2020
The judge literally told Biden's lawyer he needed to be in her courtroom tomorrow "Unless his hair is on fire".https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/10/coronavirus-travel-restrictions-will-keep-hunter-biden-from-appearing-at-child-support-hearing/
I am pretty sure she doesn't buy this excuse.
We don't really know where the inflection point is though. Could be a few more orders of magnitude on top of that.
On testing- my company has gotten huge orders for biochemicals from a few places that are gearing up to make test kits. We are currently on semi-permanent 'voluntary' weekend overtime since last weekend. I get to volunteer, because I'm salaried. =(
On the bright side, we are about as far away from either coast as can be, so the it might be awhile before the virus reaches this far inland.
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Multiple students have reported to Flyer News that what is presumed to be tear gas was shot at students. Students were seen vomiting.
In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.
I still say we're going to have more detrimental effects via panic, overreaction, and the MSM than by the beer flu itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.
I still say we're going to have more detrimental effects via panic, overreaction, and the MSM than by the beer flu itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
The problem with this, is it's bad information. We haven't reached full exposure of the COVID-19 virus. The flu is "in the wild" so to speak. It's a lifecycle virus that most of the world is exposed to throughout the year. We sometimes get new strains (swine flu, for example), but overall it's all out there.
COVID-19 is a brand new strain of corona virus. And we already know it's way deadlier than swine flu, which became widespread within just a year.
If we use Korea's numbers, as they have been doing the most testing, and just go off of lethality....
The flu has less than a .1% mortality rate. In SK, COVID19 is .6% so far. In a very short period of time. In Wuhan, it's north of 2%, possibly as high as 3.4%
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
Low end infections in the US for the flu: 34 million, with 20,000 low end death estimates.
.6% of 34 million is 204,000.
Further, the swine flu has an R0 factor of about 1.5. This means that if you have it, you'll infect on average 1.5 people. The R0 factor of COVID19 is 2.28. So 1 person infects 3/4 of a person more than the old swine flu.
So we know it's more contagious than the flu. And has a higher mortality rate.
If you've only exposed a few million people to COVID-19, you're not going to have that many overall deaths. How many billions have been exposed to the flu this year?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8096603/Drunk-man-strips-underpants-subway-station-bites-anti-coronavirus-officers.html
If you've only exposed a few million people to COVID-19, you're not going to have that many overall deaths. How many billions have been exposed to the flu this year?
People are going to suffer, and people are going to die, but it's not end times due to the virus. We approach end times and stock market crashes from the overreaction to the virus. JMO.
Us individuals should be prepared for issues like quarantines, and be smart about our interactions.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that
Lets say every person in the US got infected. That would, at the current worst case 4% mortality number, mean ~1.2 million deaths. So what? That's 24,000 (just a simple "divide by 50" average) deaths per state. Absolutely it's a significant number, and absolutely it would suck for the dead and their families. Again, don't take it as heartless, but I'm just looking at unemotional numbers, because:
Ur maths r rong.
300 million people, 4% mortality, comes out to 12 million dead. 240,000 per state.
It'd attack urbanized zones disproportionately though.
But it's not going to be madmax out there in six months. Nobody's making guzzoline runs next year.
Buzzkill . . . . ;/
When I told the wife I was watching this a few weeks ago, she asked how our ammunition stock was. That made me laugh. I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk. Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...
To be clear, I used South Korea's .6% number. Italy has a 5% mortality rate, likely contributed to by their aging population. They have a much higher average of population over 40 than the rest of the world.
Italy's average mortality age from COVID19 is 81.
I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk. Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...
When I told the wife I was watching this a few weeks ago, she asked how our ammunition stock was. That made me laugh. I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk. Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...Did you pass up a free pass to buy ammo?
I wonder if this will actually have any affect on my companies policy of "Don't come to work sick" (but if you take off for being sick we will find some way to *expletive deleted*ck you).
About 20 years ago I worked for a manager that operated like that, He actually told me the reason I lost out on 1% of my annual raise was because I took off half a day sick, one time during the year. Next time I had a raging case of deathfluplague I made sure I went to work and spent as much time as possible around him. He got sick as hell and spent 3 days in the hospital over it. I laughed.
If the Democrats are really the workers' party, why hasn't the House proposed emergency funding to pay people who stay home and self-quarantine? Set it up like short-term unemployment compensation or something.
House Democrats are moving ahead with their own economic package that includes paid sick leave for certain workers, extra funding for children’s school lunches, expanded unemployment insurance, and increased spending on social safety-net programs.
The World Health Organization on Wednesday declared the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic.Coronavirus declared global pandemic; US deaths at 31
Over 400 cases confirmed here in Sweden right now, no deaths reported so far. I should probably buy some more pasta and canned foods tomorrow.
https://khn.org/news/surging-health-care-worker-quarantines-raise-concerns-as-coronavirus-spreads/
We are already pondering the 14 day self-quarantine for exposed healthcare workers with no symptoms. If this continues, we will run out of hospital and clinic staff in short order. Hopefully testing will become more available, and we can return people to work ASAP once the test comes back negative.
Had this exact discussion at work. If we get exposed, are they just going to quarantine all of us? How TF does that work...my facility works IAD/DCA/BWI approach control all from the same room...
This just in: the Seattle school district, the largest in the state, is closing all schools for at least two weeks starting tomorrow.
How much of this two week closure is part of spring break?None according to this:
April 12 – 16 Spring break (no school)https://www.seattleschools.org/district/calendars/news/what_s_new/coronavirus_update
Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders also seemed very relieved by the announcement, as they’re both very tired and worried about getting sick. Sanders was especially happy, telling the press, “You know, for a few moments there, it really seemed like I might win, and I didn’t know what was going to happen if people actually expected me to follow through on all that free stuff.” Sanders is now deciding in which of his three houses to self-quarantine.
All men's and women's NCAA Tournament games will be played without fans when it begins next week, the organization announced Wednesday.
Only "essential staff and limited family" will be in attendance," Emmert said.
https://babylonbee.com/news/pence-cancels-general-election-to-stymie-coronavirus
Trump Cancels 2020 Election Over Coronavirus Concerns
That is high on the reddit conspiracy list. I giggle because the right swore up and down Obama was going to find a way to do the same.I heard that with Obama as well. The birther thing had more legs than that.
That is high on the reddit conspiracy list. I giggle because the right swore up and down Obama was going to find a way to do the same.
Yep.
"We will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next 30 days. The new rules will go into efect Friday at midnight."
"These restrictions will not apply to the United Kingdom."
Holy *expletive deleted*it.
Trump is on TV right now.
Didn't hear much about testing. =(
It's difficult to calibrate a proper response without proper testing.
Over 12000 infected in Italy and 800 dead. Also, first confirmed death in Sweden now. Also, all public gatherings of more than 500 people are now prohibited here in Sweden.
Both (as of last check) of Oklahoma's confirmed cases had traveled from Italy.Many of those infected here came from Italy as well. And our government even chartered a plane to bring home a bunch of people from Italy...and then just let everyone leave once the plane touched down, because this country is *expletive deleted*ing inept.
Both (as of last check) of Oklahoma's confirmed cases had traveled from Italy.
The state says the male patient from Stark County in northeastern Ohio is in his 50s and is currently hospitalized. The patient has not traveled recently and didn't have contact with anyone else with coronavirus.
Many of those infected here came from Italy as well. And our government even chartered a plane to bring home a bunch of people from Italy...and then just let everyone leave once the plane touched down, because this country is *expletive deleted*ing inept.
No cases in Idaho yet, though it looks like zahc's company is looking to screw that up. :P :laugh:
They're there, just not tested yet.
CDC has finally admitted that some of the flu deaths they're counting for the year likely died from COVID.
I should have said reported cases.
You're in good company. No cases in WV either.... :P
You're in good company. No cases in WV either.... :P
So.... Meth stops corona virus?Keep it quiet, but I heard toilet paper prevents corona virus. That is why it is being bought up. Don't spread it around though. [tinfoil]
I think I've found a beer virus business opportunity. I have come up with a device to keep people from touching their faces (and licking their balls):
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No cases in Idaho yet, though it looks like zahc's company is looking to screw that up. :P :laugh:
Coworker just came in. She stopped at a local grocery on her way to the office to grab a few things... people were panic buying. Took her two hours to get her stuff and get out of the store.
It's still a crude move, but what else can you do.
"Without testing, you have no idea how extensive the infection is. You can't isolate people. You can't do anything," he says. "And so then we're left with a completely different set of choices. We have to shut schools, events and everything down, because that's the only tool available to us until we get testing back up. It's been stunning to me how bad the federal response has been."
Not shocked.
It was only a matter of time. That's going to spread faster than corona.
I'm going to the local grocery store to tempt fate at the salad bar for lunch.
I'm actually sort of surprised that stores haven't started shutting their salad bars down.
I also realized last night that I'm almost out of coffee, and for me, that IS a panic situation. If I don't have my morning coffee I tend to rampage through the streets like Godzilla.
Not hearing anything about India, If there's any place I would expect something C19 to be like a bull in a China shop it would be India.
Friend of ours just tried to get into the Manassas costco. She said it looks like Black Friday. Parking lot completely full, police directing traffic, and a long line just to get in the store.
Of note, I tried the "keep 6 feet away from others" in the store the other day. It's really hard to do when no one else practices it.
.....SOOOOOO people were just told there's a (somewhat) scary disease that necessitate social distancing...
And they all packed into a store with hundreds of strangers who have been who knows where.
Good job, herd.
Not shocked.
It was only a matter of time. That's going to spread faster than corona.
Just do a lot of coughing....
Modern problems, meet modern solutions.
The time to prep was 3Months would have worked just fine if you jumped on it.weeksyears ago.
Over 12000 infected in Italy and 800 dead. Also, first confirmed death in Sweden now. Also, all public gatherings of more than 500 people are now prohibited here in Sweden.
Friend of ours just tried to get into the Manassas costco. She said it looks like Black Friday. Parking lot completely full, police directing traffic, and a long line just to get in the store.
With just a little planning, you can order your groceries online and have them loaded into your car and never have to interact with anyone in person.
Reports that the President will likely sign a disaster declaration today or soon thereafter.
It's about the only thing he can do to stay ahead of this thing politically and salvage any chance he has for reelection come November.
This whole virus thing will blow over in a couple of weeks. The number of new infections is dropping dramatically in Asia.
When things start to finally right themselves mid to late spring the markets are going to go a helling back up and most of the sheep who are screaming right now about Orangemanvirus! are going to be forgotten/ignored.
The American voter tends to have a better memory than a gold fish.
But not much better.
This whole virus thing will blow over in a couple of weeks. The number of new infections is dropping dramatically in Asia.
When things start to finally right themselves mid to late spring the markets are going to go a helling back up and most of the sheep who are screaming right now about Orangemanvirus! are going to be forgotten/ignored.
The American voter tends to have a better memory than a gold fish.
But not much better.
From yourmouthkeyboard to God's ears. However, I am not as sanguine about it. I think we're in for a prolonged negative economic impact from all this CV foolishness tanking the market.
I am also not optimistic for a particularly quick economic recovery.
I guess we'll see, but I'm pretty convinced it's going to be 2-3 months of rough going in the US followed by a full blown recession cycle.
Right now the genesis for most market selling is to get money into more secure commodities, such as gold. That's why the price has risen significantly over the last quarter.
OK...
So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.
Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
OMG! YOU MEAN GOLD PRICES FLUCTUATES TOO!
WHO THE HELL KNEW?
:rofl: :rofl:
OK...
So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.
Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
We need someone to offset our doom and gloom, Mike. Might as well be you. :-*
I hope by this time next year I have enjoyed a big helping of crow for dinner, and we are all celebrating Trump's election to a second term, the House in firm Republican hands, and the Senate with a couple more conservatives in place.
I can't even imagine the disaster we would have on our hands if bernie or joe took the reigns right now.
I don't think it's DOOM, I just don't think the timing is good to help Trump in the election.I am thinking along those lines as well. I think whatever will happen with this virus is going to happen this Spring. This election is still a ways away. We haven't even seen the Bernie Army in action yet.
Things will get back to normal and the markets will recover but not that quickly.
Trump isn't helping Trump in the election, for *expletive deleted*ck's sake. Someone needs to take his phone away and give him abacus, or a pocket calculator, or something other than a phone.I don't know what you're talking about :P
OK...
So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.
Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
With Biden as President for the next 8 years?
Yeah in 10 years my TSP will be nice and fat since I'll be buying in low for the next few years
Hows that for good news?
Traffic was a bit heavier than most days at this time, but nothing that I'd consider to be out of the ordinary. The shelves seemed to be stocked, but I didn't check out the toilet paper aisle.
https://www.theatlantic.com/…/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/…
An interesting article showing how Italy is having to make decisions on who gets care when you have a finite supply of healthcare beds, technology and staff. I wonder if we will come to that here. This reminds me of the early days of kidney dialysis: there were limited numbers of machines and local hospital committees of medical and laypeople decided who received dialysis and who did not, and people lived or died by those decisions.
And, stock markets are off their lows after a $1 trillion Fed package designed to ease strain on capital markets.
I cannot make sense of this. Is he deliberately crashing the American economy and dividing us from Europe? If so, is this Putin's work, yet again? A final gift as Trump loses control of the country?https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/12/things-a-crazy-person-would-say-blue-check-professor-accuses-trump-of-doing-putins-work-with-coronavirus-travel-ban/
— Heather Cox Richardson (TDPR) (@HC_Richardson) March 12, 2020
How the [bleep] can they fight it is they can't even agree on where it is?
My erstwhile employer has instituted a ban on non-essential travel. I'll have to re-read the policy, but it even covers personal travel.
Meanwhile, I dunno who to believe. I have bookmarked two maps, one from the CDC and one from ... some other source. CDC says NY state has 217 confirmed cases; the other map say 328. CDC says Montana has "1 to 5" cases. The other map says zero.
How the [bleep] can they fight it is they can't even agree on where it is?
My 8-year old son asked “How can we hope to control this pandemic when Trump’s xenophobic science denial is clearly to blame?”https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/12/omg-hes-literally-shaking-kurt-schlichter-takes-the-woke-kid-story-to-a-whole-new-level-and-makes-media-look-even-dumber/
I did not know how to answer and I am literally shaking.
— Kurt Schlichter (@KurtSchlichter) March 12, 2020
The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.
The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.
Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?
Silly question, DittoHead.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?
Silly question, DittoHead.We have a low number of confirmed cases because we don't have the capacity to test more.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?
Dogmush, it isn't the CV panic itself that will deny Trump reelection, it's the economic damage (likely a serious recession) resulting from the panic that will cause him lose.
The whole CV thing will be over and done with by May in my opinion, but the economic recovery will not start until mid-2021, if even then. With Democrats in charge, all bets will be off once they jack corporate tax rates back up to their original 35% (hopefully that's all the farther they will go).
I don't think the economic damage is that lasting. It's mostly panic driven, and will fade quickly as the panic does.
We have a low number of confirmed cases because we don't have the capacity to test more.
I think certain parts of the US are where Italy was a week or two ago. The way to avoid becoming Italy is to take measures now, if it's not too late. As far as serious panic - it depends what you mean? Hoarding masks, TP, & bottled water is stupid and unhelpful.
Closing off travel from the EU isn't a bad move, but it's too late to make a big difference.
Cancelling large events, closing schools or going online, having as many people work from home are all smart choices right now.
All K-12 public and private schools in King, Pierce and Snohomish counties in Washington state must close on Monday and cannot reopen until at least April 24.
PS: this will effect 563,000 kids
Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?
They might be a little older and have a few more smokers but they shut things down because they had no other way to stop the spread and their hospitals were being overwhelmed. I haven't seen a convincing argument why things will go significantly better here, especially with our lack of testing.
Trump is toast?QFT.
It's obvious Biden, Hillary or M Obama would be handling this sooo much better? :facepalm: ...
or we're going to elect a Communist because of Wuhan Flu!
Honestly I think television sucks IQ points right out of the brains of people.
Revised GDP forecast of -2.0% annualized growth in 1Q, followed by -3.0% growth in 2Q. ... forecast assumes a fiscal response of about $500 billion. .... If the spread of virus moderates .... stage could be set for a return to growth in 3Q, when we forecast 2.5%
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals-health-systems/providence-st-joseph-health-offers-coronavirus-lessons-from-treating?mrkid=916753
Interesting article from the healthcare system that treated the very first US COVID 19 patient.
I'm hoping these forecasts aren't very good/accurate.
:O
Trump is toast?
It's obvious Biden, Hillary or M Obama would be handling this sooo much better? :facepalm: ...
or we're going to elect a Communist because of Wuhan Flu!
Honestly I think television sucks IQ points right out of the brains of people.
I'll admit that I didn't see "all" of Italy, and it was 30 years ago but...
As a country they have a higher average population density than the US, Their personal hygiene standards are not as high as is what I consider the US average, even accounting for scuzzy people here. Their health system is not the same as the US, they do not have the capacity we do.
They aren't a 3rd world country but they aren't far removed from it.
As for the actual 3rd world shitholes that have a high infection and death rate those places also tend to pack their people in pretty tight in their population centers and they tend to have personal hygiene standards that would make a pig cringe.
In the US the distribution has been in areas with a high population density. So far the fatalities have been very heavily skewed toward older people with previously health conditions that were in close proximity to other older people with underlying health issues.
When large numbers of nominally healthy people start croaking I'll get worried. In the meantime I will avoid large public gatherings of people, give the majority of my co-workers as wide a berth as possible, don't lick the handles on shopping carts and wash my hands regularly, so no real changes.
I'm going to the local grocery store to tempt fate at the salad bar for lunch.Edited to add a note about the pic below. MGM Resorts in Vegas is shutting down buffets, beginning Sunday.
I'm actually sort of surprised that stores haven't started shutting their salad bars down.
Subject: Coronavirus is AIRBORNE! You Are Not Being Told the Full Truth
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Coronavirus is AIRBORNE!
You Are Not Being Told the Full Truth
“COVID19 IS AIRBORNE! President Trump MUST immediately shut down all commercial airline traffic. Every airlines flight puts all passengers at significant risk of being infected precisely because all it takes is one infected person onboard a flight to infect others, just as the infected man on the bus in China infected others. Likewise, all public trains, buses, and subway systems should be shut down for the same reasons.”
The bureaucrats are failing us, yet again.
A U.S. level 4 biological lab has now confirmed<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=1f462170df&e=1c49b8ccf1> that the Coronavirus (COVID19) is an airborne (aerosol) virus. This was also confirmed by a Chinese medical study<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=6c624da5b6&e=1c49b8ccf1> that researched an actual case of airborne spread on a public bus (see below for details).
And yet, the CDC, HHS, and White House Coronavirus Task Force have all failed to say ANYTHING about this!
This means that COVID19 is so small that it can be expelled in an infected person’s breath and linger in the air for at least a half an hour, as both the U.S. and Chinese studies confirmed, and while suspended in the air, it can infect other people who then breath that air in, inside an enclosed space (like a bus, airplane, train, subway, office building, school, church, car, personal home, etc), and it can therefore move from room to room in air-conditioning units (such as inside a nursing home, office building, school, cruise ship, hotel, etc), and likewise infect anyone who breaths it in. A flu is NOT airborne, and can transmit only in droplets in sneezes, coughs, or left on surfaces. This is one of the reasons why the Coronavirus vastly more contagious than a flu, It is airborne, like other highly contagious viruses such as measles, tuberculosis, and smallpox.
As Fox News reported<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=935be23c11&e=1c49b8ccf1>:
“A new study suggests that the novel coronavirus<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=627d788b09&e=1c49b8ccf1> COVID-19 can remain in the air for up to three hours, and live on surfaces such as plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.
The research, published in the medRxiv depository<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=6d250de8d1&e=1c49b8ccf1>, also notes that the virus can remain on copper surfaces for four hours and carboard for up to 24 hours. The research found it could stay on stainless steel and plastic for anywhere between two and three days.
“Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days,” the researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.”
The Chinese medical study<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=af50affe3d&e=1c49b8ccf1> analyzed the case of a Coronavirus carrier who infected other passengers in a bus who were up to 4.5 meters away from him, and the virus lingered in the air inside the bus even after the infected man got off the bus. A passenger who got on the bus a half hour later was infected – proving that the virus can linger in the air inside an enclosed space for at least a half hour. As the South China Morning Post<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=e9de924f3c&e=1c49b8ccf1> reported:
“Hu Shixiong, the lead author of the study who works for the Hunan Provincial Centre for Diseases Control and Prevention, said the security camera footage showed patient “A” did not interact with others throughout the four-hour ride.
But by the time the bus stopped at the next city, the virus had already jumped from the carrier to seven other passengers.
These included not only people sitting relatively close to “patient zero”, but also a couple of victims six rows from him – roughly 4.5 metres away.
They all later tested positive, including one passenger who displayed no symptoms of the disease.
After these passengers left, another group got on the bus about 30 minutes later. One passenger sitting in the front row on the other side of the aisle also became infected.
Hu said the patient, who was not wearing a mask, was likely to have inhaled aerosols, or tiny particles, breathed out by the infected passengers from the previous group.
Aerosols are light-weighted particles that are formed from tiny droplets of bodily fluids.
“The possible reason is that in a completely enclosed space, the airflow is mainly driven by the hot air generated by the air conditioning. The rise of the hot air can transport the virus-laden droplets to a greater distance,” said the paper.
After getting off the shuttle bus, the initial carrier got on a minibus and travelled for another hour. The virus jumped to two other passengers, one of whom was also sitting 4.5 metres away from patient “A”.
By the time the study was finished in mid February, patient “A” had infected at least 13 people.”
And yet, U.S. Government officials have completely failed to even mention this reality, or to advise that public mass transportation, such as airlines, trains, subways, or buses be shut down.
Frankly, we have known that COVID19 is airborne for over two weeks, as we first published in our written warning on the Coronavirus<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=e2cd2e4c79&e=1c49b8ccf1> on February 28, 2020. In that write up, we cited two public health officials in China stating that it is airborne, and a Singapore newspaper quoting the Singapore Ministry of Health sting that it is airborne. We also posted up video of the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO) stating in a press conference that the Coronavirus is airborne. And yet WHO has also not made this part of its public recommendations on how this virus spreads or how to avoid becoming infected. See below.
COVID19 IS AIRBORNE! President Trump MUST immediately shut down all commercial airline traffic. Every airlines flight puts all passengers at significant risk of being infected precisely because all it takes is one infected person onboard a flight to infect others, just as the infected man on the bus in China infected others. Likewise, all public trains, buses, and subway systems should be shut down for the same reasons.
Frankly, we find this very frustrating and disturbing. It is highly unlikely that the CDC was not aware of the reports out of China and Singapore that this is an airborne (aerosol) virus that we referred to back on February 28, 2020. it is likewise unlikely that the CDC is ignorant of the Chinese study of the airborne spread on a public bus, that was published in Chinese media on March 9, 2020 .
But now that it is being widely reported in U.S. media that an American level 4 bio-lab has done its own study and concluded that it is indeed capable of being spread as an aerosol that lingers in the air for up to a half an hour. What else will it take for the CDC to change its recommendations to the American people, or to elected officials? What will it take for the White House task force on the virus to take decisive action by advising the President to shut down all domestic air travel? Or to warn the American people to stop using mass-transit? Or to recommend that all schools be shut down, since it will also spread like wildfire through a school just as easily as on a public bus?
Don’t wait for the bureaucrats. You must decide on your own to avoid all enclosed spaces, and especially while traveling. Stop flying, stop riding the subway, stop riding buses. And do all you can to avoid being in any enclosed public space with other people.
Read more on our website here: https://oathkeepers.org/2020/03/coronavirus-is-airborne-you-are-not-being-told-the-full-truth/<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=df6107e07e&e=1c49b8ccf1>
One of my ex-wives called me last night to tell me the local Aldi's was a complete *expletive deleted*it show. The closest confirmed case is still 50 miles away.
Why cancel culture is a good thing
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
Side link from that link. Something about large burial trenches in Iran. If true Iran is getting whacked hard.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21176968/coronavirus-iran-outbreak-satellite-photos-burial-trench
Well, it's Iran. They could easily be using the virus as an excuse to eliminate undesirables who "caught the virus" without worrying about global reaction.
Besides being dirty, they didn't shut down their holy sites until they were balls deep in an outbreak there. I don't believe their numbers for a minute. And as Ben said...never miss the opportunity for a good purge. We know China disappeared some dissidents.
What was your response?
Who cares, peasant woman? I've made enough panic monkey money in the last two days that I now have staff to deal with *expletive deleted*it like that...
:rofl:
I guess a mega-thread deserves a mega message. A friend just sent me an e-mail he received from someone who got on an Oath Keepers mailing list. The jist is that COVID-19 is airborne -- meaning (in keeping with the post just above) that interviewing for "contact" doesn't mean diddly. Restricting the spread really is going to require quarantines and near lock-down conditions. The "6-foot avoidance" advice is useless if people in a building are exhaling the bug -- most building HVAC systems recycle roughly 80% of the air, and only 20% is exhausted and replaced with fresh air from outside.If it were airborne, that would seem to mean the numbers of unreported infections are much much higher than we know about.
Here's the e-mail (don't know if the links will come through as live links):
MAJOR BREAKING NEWS: NPR Source Says Trump Blocked Coronavirus Testing in January to Aid His Reelection Chances By Keeping US Infection Figures Low
NOTE: Please RETWEET this—America needs to know what this monster did. Thousands of future deaths will rightly be laid at his feet. https://t.co/FFGm5BDmIF
— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) March 12, 2020
Ohio health officials announced Thursday that the state has five known cases of the coronavirus, but one expert said that the number is likely much higher and estimated 100,000 undiagnosed cases.
Might be the only good place to go is the gun range.
Has the run on ammo started yet? :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.
Has the run on ammo started yet? :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.
I guess a mega-thread deserves a mega message. A friend just sent me an e-mail he received from someone who got on an Oath Keepers mailing list. The jist is that COVID-19 is airborne -- meaning (in keeping with the post just above) that interviewing for "contact" doesn't mean diddly. Restricting the spread really is going to require quarantines and near lock-down conditions. The "6-foot avoidance" advice is useless if people in a building are exhaling the bug -- most building HVAC systems recycle roughly 80% of the air, and only 20% is exhausted and replaced with fresh air from outside.
Here's the e-mail (don't know if the links will come through as live links):
House to Vote on Coronavirus Spending Package on Friday after Reaching Tentative DealI'll be curious to see how much unrelated pork gets packed in there. Seems like industry bailouts will likely be coming next.
The package will guarantee free testing and 14 days of paid sick-leave for patients and tax credits for small- and medium-sized businesses affected by the outbreak. Additionally, the legislation will fund food assistance and Medicaid programs, as well as unemployment benefits.
Has the run on ammo started yet? :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.
I'll be curious to see how much unrelated pork gets packed in there. Seems like industry bailouts will likely be coming next.Never let a crisis go to waste.
I saw a site that might have Wolf 5.45x39 SP ammo still in stock. I might need to try to order it. I would like to get some 7.62 as well. I have to think about how much I want to spend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs
We have achieved :facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs
We have achieved :facepalm:
??? What language was that head bobber speaking? It sure didn't sound like English. I couldn't understand a single word she said.
I love these ridiculous clowns who contend they can do better than President Trump. This booze-and-Botox besotted old bag can’t manage her dentures, much less a pandemic. Between her and Biden, they can barely manage to put a coherent sentence together. pic.twitter.com/Ze2mvKpoRp
— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) March 12, 2020
What is truly stunning is the fact that the Speaker of the House is third in line of presidential succession. If President Trump and Vice-President Pence were incapacitated, God forbid, Nancy Pelosi would be President of the United States. Something to remember this November btw. https://t.co/FNXVYeNsN1https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/13/ridiculous-clowns-tfw-james-woods-wrecks-nancy-pelosi-over-the-coronavirus-with-her-own-mush-mouth-and-its-perfect/
— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) March 13, 2020
The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...
I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.
But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs
My son said last night there's a possibility he may be quarantined at work. He's a Tech 2 at a major power plant.
The upside:
1. They will have to pay him time and a half for 24 hours a day.
2. They have a fully stocked and equipped kitchen, showers and cots.
The downside:
He'll be away from family for the duration.
The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...
I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.
But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...
I wonder how long until stuff like big screen OLED TVs will sell for a deep discount? While others are worrying about TP, I want to enhance my gaming experience in case I have to quarantine for an extended time...With everyone stuck at home, they may end up buying more or bigger TV's.
If you’re one of those who’s been caught short and you’re still on the hunt for bathroom tissue, don’t worry, Franklin Armory has you covered. They’re here to help in these difficult times and will be more than happy to send you an emergency supply of “survivalist/MRE grade toilet paper” for the low, low price of only $386.99.
Yes, that’s rather expensive, but the laws of supply and demand aren’t repealed during an emergency.
The good news: they’ll also throw in a free BFSIII AR-C1 binary trigger for your AR-15 rifle (regular price for the trigger only: $429.99).
Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/franklin-armory-selling-toilet-paper-for-386-99-with-free-binary-trigger/
Franklin Armory Selling Toilet Paper for $386.99 (With a FREE Binary Trigger)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e64sPHWnsY
The Mayor of Champaign, Illinois just signed a sweeping executive order giving her the ability to ban the sale of firearms and ammunition because of…Wuhan coronavirus? There are no cases of the virus in town or the surrounding areas. https://t.co/CLOHveHWxUhttps://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/13/mayor-of-champaign-illinois-issued-a-coronavirus-executive-order-involving-guns-and-more-hint-it-doesnt-get-anymore-unconstitutional-than-that/
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) March 13, 2020
Here is the list of other items from the declaration/executive order, which also includes the ability to ban the sale of "food, water, fuel, clothing, and/or other commodities, materials, goods, services and resources," in addition to alcohol and gasoline. Additionally, government agents or officials have the ability to seize private property and to cut off the city water supply. The mayor justifies everything "in the interest of public safety and wolf." Bolding is mine.
After the declaration of an emergency, the Mayor may in the interest of public safety and welfare make any or all of the following orders and provide the following direction:
(1) Issue such other orders as are imminently necessary for the protection of life and property.
(2) Order a general curfew applicable to such geographical areas of the City or to the City as a whole, as the Mayor deems advisable, and applicable during such hours of the day or night as the Mayor deems necessary in the interest of public safety and welfare.
(3) Order the closing of all retail liquor stores, including taverns and private clubs or portions thereof wherein the consumption of intoxicating liquor and beer is permitted;
(4) Order the discontinuance of the sale of alcoholic liquor by any wholesaler or retailer;
(5) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, or giving away gasoline or other liquid flammable or combustible products in any container other than a gasoline tank properly affixed to a motor vehicle;
(6) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, dispensing or giving away of explosives or explosive agents, firearms or ammunition of any character whatsoever;
(7) Order the control, restriction and regulation within the City by rationing, issuing quotas, fixing or freezing prices, allocating the use, sale or distribution of food, fuel, clothing and other commodities, materials, goods or services or the necessities of life;
(8) (a) Order City employees or agents, on behalf of the City, to take possession of any real or personal property of any person, or to acquire full title or such lesser interest as may be necessary to deal with a disaster or emergency, and to take possession of and for a limited time, occupy and use any real estate to accomplish alleviation of the disaster, or the effects thereof;
(b) In the event any real or personal property is utilized by the City, the City shall be liable to the owner thereof for the reasonable value of the use or for just compensation as the case may be.
(9) Order restrictions on ingress or egress to parts of the City to limit the occupancy of any premises;
(10) To make provision for the availability and use of temporary emergency housing;
(11) Temporarily suspend, limit, cancel, convene, reschedule, postpone, continue, or relocate all meetings of the City Council, and any City committee, commission, board, authority, or other City body as deemed appropriate by the Mayor.
(12) Require closing of business establishments.
(13) Prohibit the sale or distribution within the City of any products which could be employed in a manner which would constitute a danger to public safety.
(14) Temporarily close any and all streets, alleys, sidewalks, bike paths, public parks or public ways.
(15) Temporarily suspend or modify, for not more than sixty (60) days, any regulation or ordinance of the City, including, but not limited to, those regarding health, safety, and zoning. This period may be extended upon approval of the City Council.
(16) Suspend or limit the use of the water resources or other infrastructure.
(17) Control, restrict, allocate, or regulate the use, sale, production, or distribution of food, water, fuel, clothing, and/or other commodities, materials, goods, services and resources.
(18) Suspend or limit burning of any items or property with the City limits and up to two (2) miles outside the corporate limits.
(19) Direct and compel the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened areas within the City if the mayor deems this action is necessary for the preservation of life, property, or other disaster or emergency mitigation, response or recovery and to prescribe routes, modes of transportation and destination in connection with an evacuation.
(21) Approve application for local, state, or federal assistance.
(22) Establish and control routes of transportation, ingress or egress.
(23) Control ingress and egress from any designated disaster or emergency area or home, building or structures located therein.
(24) Approve the transfer the direction, personnel, or functions of City departments and agencies for the purpose of performing or facilitating emergency or disaster services.
(25) Accept services, gifts, grants, loans, equipment, supplies, and/or materials whether from private, nonprofit, or governmental sources.
(26) Require the continuation, termination, disconnection, or suspension of natural gas, electrical power, water, sewer, communication or other public utilities or infrastructure.
(27) Close or cancel the use of any municipally owned or operated building or other public facility.
(28) Declare, issue, enforce, modify and terminate orders for quarantine and isolation of persons or animals posing a threat to the public, not conflicting with the directions of the Health Officer of the community.
(29) Exercise such powers and functions in light of the exigencies of emergency or disaster including the waiving of compliance with any time consuming procedures and formalities, including notices, as may be prescribed by law.
(30) Issue any and all such other orders or undertake such other functions and activities as the Mayor reasonably believes is required to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons or property within the City or otherwise preserve the public peace or abate, clean up, or mitigate the effects of any emergency or disaster.
Too bad you guys don't work where I work. I have already learned two sure-fire cures for WuFlu, made from ingredients you already have in your kitchen, and you guys are just sitting there waiting to die. Dummies.
Too bad you guys don't work where I work. I have already learned two sure-fire cures for WuFlu, made from ingredients you already have in your kitchen, and you guys are just sitting there waiting to die. Dummies.
Currently experts expect over 1 million deaths in the U.S. since the virus was not contained & we cannot even test for it.
This will be recorded as a major preventable public health disaster. I will try to relate what I learned from a long day of calls about what is happening.
— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) March 13, 2020
Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.
More details
Banning the Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Because of Wuhan Virus? An Illinois Mayor Just Signed an Executive Order to Do It
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03/13/illinois-mayor-may-ban-firearms-ammunition-as-part-of-emergency-over-wuhan-virus-n2564916
TV miniseries based on a book...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsMp2pZK-Cw
And *expletive deleted*it! It looks like they're remaking it into a much larger, 10 part series due out later this year...
Mayors can do Executive Orders? Or is it "Executive Orders"? That list sounds closer to what one might read in a fictional SHTF novel, except it would be martial law via a real Dystopian government, and not a dumbass city Mayor.
The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...
I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.
But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I
Couldn't tell you if this is true but it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Not sure what different it would have made anyway.
Chinese government knew about coronavirus one month earlier than it claimed: report
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-knew-about-coronavirus-earlier-patient-zero
Well, Idaho has it's first reported case. 50ish woman from the Boise area who caught it at a conference in NYC.
If his family can cope on their own, that sounds like a good deal if it doesn't go on too long.No problem with that. We live with his family (wife and three teenagers). We have at least a half a beef, some elk, and salmon in the freezers, and the canning room is getting thin, but still pretty well stocked.
(Cool (a) Order City employees or agents, on behalf of the City, to take possession of any real or personal property of any person, or to acquire full title or such lesser interest as may be necessary to deal with a disaster or emergency, and to take possession of and for a limited time, occupy and use any real estate to accomplish alleviation of the disaster, or the effects thereof;
Kuwait airport is closing indefinitely. All commercial flights banned.
Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.
I've never been so sad about being right about everything that's happened. My last prediction I made about a week ago is six figure infections in the US when this is all said in done.
This ride isn't anywhere close to over.
Oh, VA schools closed for 2 week minimum.
Read the book. It's much better, and you have the time.
We probably already had 6 figure infections a week ago.
There is very little information out there regarding the demographics of those who've succombed and died.
From bits and pieces scattered about it seems to hit Asians, those over 60, those with underlying health issues and smokers particularly hard.
You're right though, we needed to panic earlier, before anything was in place 😄
Italy is the country that scares me the most with this. First world health care, and they're barely hanging on right now.https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-w
ar-as-death-toll-soars/
I mean confirmed infections. I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone. It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested. I was reading somewhere that in some of the countries when people are presenting as critical with the correct symptoms they've even quit testing and are moving forward as if they're positive.
Italy is the country that scares me the most with this. First world health care, and they're barely hanging on right now.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-war-as-death-toll-soars/
I mean *expletive deleted*ck. They've hit almost 1300 fatalities in just a few weeks with only 17,000 confirmed cases. Approx 15% of those cases are in some kind of hospital care.
I mean confirmed infections. I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.The idea that a lot of people are going to get it isn’t controversial. Your predictions about multiple millions of dead in the US are the ones I still don’t buy.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone. It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested.
I guess the folks around here weren't as prepped as I thought. Local Walmart looked like Black Friday - no parking, elbow to elbow inside. Product being taking off the pallets and carts before it could be put on the shelves.
Ammo sales were "brisk". Lot's of .22, more .30-30 than I would have thought, .30-06 were the big sellers, along with 12ga. Most people buying ammo didn't seem to really know what they wanted - "Got 7 1/2 & 8 shot, which one you want?" "Uhhh, what do you think I should get?".
Another consideration Does it spread faster or more lethally among populations where a high percentage are cigarette smokers? 70% of adult males in China, I don’t know the percentages but Italy and Spain and France are all higher than USA
Another consideration Does it spread faster or more lethally among populations where a high percentage are cigarette smokers? 70% of adult males in China, I don’t know the percentages but Italy and Spain and France are all higher than USA
Read the book as King originally intended it.
When it was first published, his editors looked at it, said "You're a new author, and this book is going to be hugely expensive because it's so long. Cut 500 pages."
He did, and the story suffered, but it was still a huge hit.
Some years later he went back to his publisher and said "I want to publish the Stand was it was intended." And his publisher balked again, but by this time King was a massive cash cow for Doubleday and they relented, which is good, because the uncut version became a best seller again.
The miniseries was... a miniseries. Sort of like the original It miniseries. Good cast, but WAY WAY WAY too much subject material to be cogently plugged into such a short period of time allocated by the producers.
The idea that a lot of people are going to get it isn’t controversial. Your predictions about multiple millions of dead in the US are the ones I still don’t buy.
I've never been so sad about being right about everything that's happened. My last prediction I made about a week ago is six figure infections in the US when this is all said in done.
This ride isn't anywhere close to over.
Oh, VA schools closed for 2 week minimum.
Corona virus outbreaks generally burn out.
The unknown here is when this one will peter out.
Then, will it reappear next fall?
Tamping down on letting it run is how this becomes background noise instead of an outbreak.
I'm not sure why some people don't get the logic in this process?At root your logic is bad. Not necessarily about addressing a disease, but about the relative severity of this one.
I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone. It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested. I was reading somewhere that in some of the countries when people are presenting as critical with the correct symptoms they've even quit testing and are moving forward as if they're positive.
Do we let something with the same mortality rate as the spanish flu just run wild through the 7.7 billion people of the world? That would be fun.
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing Christ, some of you ass clowns are talking as if this is the human extinction event of all human extinction events...
Stop being *expletive deleted*ing panic monkeys!
You know, part of that is the complete unknown about this virus. One article I read says it's like a respiratory illness that puts you on the couch for a while, you hydrate a d take care. Absent other health issues, you get better. Two articles later and I'm reading how this hits like a sledge hammer, the sick have no energy, and most will struggle to breathe, requiring oxygen therapy or mechanical respirators. Which one is internet crap, and which one is true, I have no idea.
Meanwhile
*Sigh*
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The best part is that if we take the proper measures and it works, everyone will just say that it was no big deal and we didn't need to do all that.
:facepalm: :mad:
This thing ain't "just like the flu". It has exponential growth, and the cases in the US are doubling every 2.5 days.
I've been looking at the actual death vs recovered numbers on closed cases, and I don't like where this is going:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
That said, they are not testing everyone, but South Korea is doin g a LOT more testing, and CFR is about 10%:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/
This thing ain't "just like the flu". It has exponential growth, and the cases in the US are doubling every 2.5 days. We are 10 days behind Italy.
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
Cases are doubling? Or testing, reporting, and people going in for tests are increasing?Without proper testing we're flying blind. Unfortunately that means landing the plane for a little while. =(
President Trump said the Department of Energy would buy crude for the nation's strategic petroleum reserve.This is smart.
"We're going to fill it right to the top," Trump said Friday in a wide-ranging news conference at the White House. He said it will save taxpayers "billions and billions of dollars" while helping an industry that's been reeling.
Without proper testing we're flying blind. Unfortunately that means landing the plane for a little while.
Quote from: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/14/815039722/trump-steps-in-to-help-oil-industry-facing-its-own-coronavirus-crisisQuotePresident Trump said the Department of Energy would buy crude for the nation's strategic petroleum reserve.
"We're going to fill it right to the top," Trump said Friday in a wide-ranging news conference at the White House. He said it will save taxpayers "billions and billions of dollars" while helping an industry that's been reeling.
This is smart.
This is smart.
Cue the dem knee jerk outrage that Trump is only doing it for his rich oil industry friends
Yup. Of course if he was helping his rich oil buddies, he'd be topping off the reserves when oil was $75/barrel instead of the cheapest it's been in a long time. But let's not stop the TDS.
At root your logic is bad. Not necessarily about addressing a disease, but about the relative severity of this one.
It might go down like it did in Italy or it might not.
The numbers are only one part of the equation.
How many deaths in Italy are under 80 and how many of those are of Han Chinese descent? How many were smokers, how many patient zero's did they have? There are a lot of variables. Statistics are only as good as the inputs.
Unfortunately most people are unable to look past the one bit of information and contextualize it to draw a more accurate conclusion.
Personally, I'm in favor of drastic measures in the face of a potentially deadly outbreak if it really is a deadly outbreak, but the fear mongering and doom and gloomers aren't helpful.
I'm starting to get irritated now, because there's perishable stuff I like to eat daily (fresh fruit for example), and now I have to either circle a parking lot for an hour to find a spot, then fight the crowds of toilet paper morons, then stand in the register line for 30 minutes, or go without.
This is what we are worried about: ventilators and the staff to run them:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/815675678/as-the-pandemic-spreads-will-there-be-enough-ventilators
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing Christ, some of you ass clowns are talking as if this is the human extinction event of all human extinction events...
Stop being *expletive deleted*ing panic monkeys!
Take a look at Italy’s numbers... they are pretty bleak.I have heard that outside of the Wuhan province, the actual deaths in the rest of China has been pretty low. How much of that is China being a crap hole and how much is the actual disease. I think right now the hysteria being drummed up is worse.
There were reports coming out of China that they were burning 1200 bodies/day in Wuhan City alone, and they were way short on incinerator capacity.
Do the *expletive deleted*ing math.
The monkeypocalypse has arrived:I think down here there would be a lot of dead monkeys in the road that got run over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSKH_C2YbpY
"He has 17,700 bottles of hand sanitizer and nowhere to sell them":
https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/He-Has-17-700-Bottles-of-Hand-Sanitizer-and-15131584.php
Boo.
Hoo.
Colvin does not believe he was price gouging. While he charged $20 on Amazon for two bottles of Purell that retail for $1 each, he said people forget that his price includes his labor, Amazon’s fees and about $10 in shipping. (Alcohol-based sanitizer is pricey to ship because officials consider it a hazardous material.)
Current price-gouging laws “are not built for today’s day and age,” Colvin said. “They’re built for Billy Bob’s gas station doubling the amount he charges for gas during a hurricane.”
He added, “Just because it cost me $2 in the store doesn’t mean it’s not going to cost me $16 to get it to your door.”
But what about the morality of hoarding products that can prevent the spread of the virus, just to turn a profit?
Colvin said he was simply fixing “inefficiencies in the marketplace.” Some areas of the country need these products more than others, and he’s helping send the supply toward the demand.
“There’s a crushing overwhelming demand in certain cities right now,” he said. “The Dollar General in the middle of nowhere outside of Lexington, Kentucky, doesn’t have that.”
He thought about it more.
“I honestly feel like it’s a public service,” he added. “I’m being paid for my public service.”
All schools are closed in all of Italy.
All churches are closed (including St. Peter's Basilica).
All weddings and funerals are postponed.
All restaurants are closed.
In fact, all stores except grocery stores and pharmacies are closed.
People are urged to work from home unless they work in special designated factories
The streets are almost empty.
These steps are not an overreaction.
Mexico reportedly considering closing its border to keep out Americans with coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/14/xenophobic-mexico-reportedly-considering-closing-its-border-to-keep-out-americans-with-coronavirus/
Maybe they could build a wall or something. =D
Maybe they could build a wall or something. =D
Who would have thought that civilization would collapse this way. [popcorn]"And so the Age of Men ended, not with a bang, but with a whimper, and the cleanest buttholes in all of history"
Would CPAP machines be helpful for cases with borderline or marginal need for ventilation?
I have a favor to ask the hive. If I die from COVID-19, please don't let me vote Democrat in November.
I'm thinking that the worst of the panic monkey buying should start to slow down in a couple of days and it will be easier to get stuff.
More details
Banning the Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Because of Wuhan Virus? An Illinois Mayor Just Signed an Executive Order to Do It
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03/13/illinois-mayor-may-ban-firearms-ammunition-as-part-of-emergency-over-wuhan-virus-n2564916
I suspect this is still going to vary wildly. Here for instance, two weeks ago, Costco was not that bad - no more than the holiday rush, other than running out of TP and water. There were still plenty of parking spaces, etc. I haven't been there since then, but we only just had our first reported case of the virus, quickly followed by three more. Those four cases somehow made things finally go batshit here to where there's no parking at the Costco or many other stores.
As new "panic news" develops state by state, and city by city, I think we'll still see increased panic behavior. I would suspect at some point, states like CA will finally get panic weary, even though they may have dense population centers where caution would still be indicated, and panic buying will lessen. At some point soon, every *expletive deleted*ing person in the US is going to have a case of toilet paper and that buying spree is going to moderate.
Which - tangent - has me totally pissed off. I put all my eggs in one basket and bet that a TP supply is what would make me a wealthy apocalypse warlord. Now the entire SHTF monetary structure has crashed via supply and demand, and toilet paper is about as worthless as a trade good as toilet paper. I need to come up with a new source for TEOTWAWKI wealth. :mad:
Trump tested negative for C19
The media
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Trump tested negative for C19a
The media
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Nike closing it's stores in the US and Europe but keeping stores in S.K., Japan, China open. ???Read somewhere that the teachers are planning on staying home.
De Blasio says no to closing NYC schools
When this is all over and we properly examine what was done right and what was done wrong I hope we can have an honest national conversation on the toxic effect of Fox News. They are a critical instrument of Trump and his approach to the crisis.https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/15/have-a-nice-refreshing-glass-of-stfu-juice-cnns-joe-lockhart-blames-fox-news-for-coronavirus-panic-and-talk-about-backfire/
— Joe Lockhart (@joelockhart) March 15, 2020
It appears the city is backpedaling like mad:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/champaign-clarifies-firearms-coronavirus-emergency
Chatted with one of the college kids at church this morning. He gets an extra week of spring break, then they start doing his classes over the Internet. I can't imagine how much work has to go on behind the scenes to make that work, every place that going to try to do it.
Stores are starting to restock and will continue to.Well yeah, but it's going to take a few minutes.
So my dentist's office is still open for business. I just got the "confirm your appointment" text for my semi-annual cleaning on the 25th.
As much as I'm not taking the pandemic as seriously as others, one of the places it does seem kinda dumb to go is the dentist for an elective procedure. I'm actually going to think about postponing.
I was talking to someone from my old work last week, and they apparently had almost everyone who's jobs allowed it in DC and all the national satellite offices telecommute one day last week as a 'test day" to see if the VPN could handle all the traffic.
And? ...
Did the network buckle under the load?
The crazy has struck here now. My son went to wally world yesterday and posted pictures of empty TP shelves and cleaned out meat counters.
The wife and I made a trip to the local grocery store this morning. Some things are low on stock but nothing was completely wiped out, not even the TP. They didn't have my usual brand/style but I did pick up a couple of 4 roll packs just because. The store has also instituted a 3 per customer per day limit of any shortage item, TP, cleaning supplies, bottled water...
Well OH Governor is ordering all restaurants and bars to close after 9:00 p.m. tonight. They can remain open for carry out.
Feds just dropped the interest rate to zero. Seems like the majority of coronavirus response is free stuff and bailouts.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/fed-coronavirus-interest-rates-emergency-action
My sister doesn't cook. She and her husband make plenty of money and just eat out constantly, so I can't wait to hear the wailing.I have a friend like this, he won't even make mac & cheese from a box. Can't say I have much pity for these people.
Early futures markets are not impressed with Fed moves...And they're pretty much out of ammo?
Well OH Governor is ordering all restaurants and bars to close after 9:00 p.m. tonight. They can remain open for carry out.
As of now I am officially beyond tired of this *expletive deleted*it
I'm dead...https://www.facebook.com/daniel.klaver.39/videos/10221194525762696/ (https://www.facebook.com/daniel.klaver.39/videos/10221194525762696/) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I have a friend like this, he won't even make mac & cheese from a box. Can't say I have much pity for these people.
Feds just dropped the interest rate to zero. Seems like the majority of coronavirus response is free stuff and bailouts.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/fed-coronavirus-interest-rates-emergency-action
The problem is the grocery stores and warehouses both depend on JIT practices. Now that the grocery stores are hard hit and have used extra deliveries from the warehouses are the warehouses also running out??? And what will refill them? There is also only so much truck capacity also
The Washington state governor will sign an executive order tomorrow closing all bars and restaurants except for carry out food service, and also bans all gatherings over 50 people.
Hey, I wonder if Bidet sales have increased during this panic? :laugh:
meanwhile my wife tells me we have 5 rolls of toilet paper. she hadn't bought any.
Nothing better than putting tens of thousands of people out of work tofix an over-hyped non-crisiswin an election. :facepalm:
meanwhile my wife tells me we have 5 rolls of toilet paper. she hadn't bought any.
I have now read a couple of articles that gun sales in CA are greater than many other parts of the country right now. Can any APS CA members confirm the run on guns there?
A member of a Jeep forum I participate on posted that he heard from a friend in New England (state not identified, but he said they have strict gun laws, so that means CT, MA, or RI) who owns a gun shop and range. The shop owner said guns are flying off the shelves and they can't restock fast enough.
And here's one reason why
Ohio jail to release hundreds of inmates amid coronavirus concerns: reports
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-jail-releases-hundreds-inmates-coronavirus
The list included older inmates and those with chronic illness and a history of respiratory issues, which are factors identified by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that make someone more vulnerable to serious complications and death from the coronavirus.Prisoner safety or avoiding treatment costs?
Well crap
Beshear orders Ky. bars and restaurants to close dine-in services
https://www.wdrb.com/news/beshear-orders-ky-bars-and-restaurants-to-close-dine-in/article_ef1eb27a-678a-11ea-8ad8-eb7927ad966a.html
A former chair of the Council of Economic Advisers during the 2008 financial crisis under President Obama is urging Congress to provide a strong rescue package – including a one-time payment of $1,000 to every American adult and $500 for every child – to help cope with the fallout of the coronavirus, a report said.What says the hivemind on matter, good, bad or....?
“The financial crisis occurred because the underpinning of the economy was bad, they say, but this is a temporary situation and eventually things will go back to normal,” he added.
What says the hivemind on matter, good, bad or....?
Was just nosing around on amazon and most prime items show Sat or later for delivery for me.
Due to overwhelming order volume over the past week we are not currently accepting new orders. We are currently approximately 10 days behind on filling orders and the priority is going to be given to filling existing orders. We will begin to restore inventory later this week once we have a handle on shipping all orders that have been placed so far.
French docs say don't take NSAIDS:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/health-experts-criticise-nhs-advice-to-take-ibuprofen-for-covid-19
There is some disagreement on acetaminophen.
Canada just closed its borders to non citizens; Americans not included in the ban.
Canada just closed its borders to non citizens; Americans not included in the ban.
French docs say don't take NSAIDS:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/health-experts-criticise-nhs-advice-to-take-ibuprofen-for-covid-19
There is some disagreement on acetaminophen.
By the way, if you were to get corona, my advice is to avoid aspirin. Take an antihistamine and Tylenol. Humidify the air.
That could get frustrating for Alaskans, for sure, if they closed Yukon/BC to Alaskan US traffic.This is an issue here in Europe as well. Plenty of people who live in one country and work in a neighboring country. Swedes working in Denmark, Germans working in Austria and Switzerland are common examples. Apparently, while the borders are closed now, they made exceptions for cross border workers. Swedes are still commuting to Copenhagen, and Germans are still working in Switzerland.
I worry about state level quarantines. In High School, I lived in Walla Walla, WA. I worked for a vegetable cannery in Milton-Freewater, OR, for the summers. Probably half the cannery staff and ag job workforce came from north of the OR border. Pretty common for cross-border employment in lots of places, and cross-border supply systems. Milton-Freewater didn't have Costco or Walmart, but Walla Walla did. Lewiston/Clarkston are very tightly integrated on the WA/ID border. Lots of places like that scattered around the US.
An uncontrolled outbreak south of the Rio Grande will put communities in south Texas, California, New Mexico, and Arizona at risk, especially cities that see tens of thousands of people cross back and forth over the border every day, like San Diego or El Paso.
Simply put, Mexico has almost no ability to control vast swaths of its own territory in normal times. The state is endemically weak, with powerful cartels exercising a kind of de facto sovereignty over much of the country. State and institutional power matter most in times of war and pandemic, and Mexico is in dangerously short supply of both. When the coronavirus hits there, we might wish we had finished building that wall a long time ago.
Is it ok to freeze these things in the freezer? I have a lot of freezer space, but I don't know if it's even beneficial:
beans
potatoes
rice
flour
beansRaw potatoes don't freeze well, but I've heard of freezing cooked or partially cooked potatoes.
potatoes
rice
flour
Raw potatoes don't freeze well, but I've heard of freezing cooked or partially cooked potatoes.
How long are you planning on keeping the rice, beans, and flour? Refined flour will keep for a couple years without freezing. Whole grain goes rancid faster but freezing would likely help.
Dry white rice and dry beans can store for 25-30 years without freezing. Other varieties of rice may not keep as long, but still much longer than I expect this particular event to last.
If you've got extra freezer space I'd either fill it with things that make sense to freeze or bottles of water.
Is it ok to freeze these things in the freezer? I have a lot of freezer space, but I don't know if it's even beneficial:
beans
potatoes
rice
flour
What says the hivemind on matter, good, bad or....?
Down further he does show a bit of common sense
Ex-Obama adviser says government should give American adults $1G, every child $500
https://www.foxnews.com/us/amid-coronavirus-fight-ex-obama-adviser-says-govt-should-give-every-american-1g
On the sgammo.com home page:
Looking at the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracking page.I heard that mentioned about China recently. If you remove that one province their death rate is pretty low. The person mentioning it said it was due to getting surprised by a new virus.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
One City in China (Hubei) represents a full 96% of their deaths nationwide. I'd like to see the demographics on that.
WTF is going on in Italy?! Their mortality rate is even worse than China (7.71% vs 3.97%).
China and Italy represent 73.9% of deaths worldwide. If you back them out, worldwide mortality drops from 3.9% to 3.3%.
Brad
The e-commerce giant said it will hire for part-time and full-time roles in its fulfillment centers and delivery network through the United States in order to meet a “surge in demand.” Additionally, Amazon is investing $350 million to fund near-term wage increases for its workers in the United States, Canada and Europe through April.
Amazon to hire 100K workers amid coronavirus shopping spike
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-amazon-hiring-100k-workers-shopping
Stopped by the store for a few things.
No packaged bread except some cinnamon swirl and raisin and such.
No milk
No eggs
Very little cheese
Very little fresh meat
Very little cured meat
Heavily picked over frozen goods
Only a couple packages of wheat flour and some tiny packs of self rising flour
One leaking 25lb bag of sugar and four 5 pound packages of Domino sugar.
Only name-brand cooking oil
No sanitizing cleaner
No rubbing alcohol or hydrogen peroxide
No bleach
Crazy.
WTF is going on in Italy?! Their mortality rate is even worse than China (7.71% vs 3.97%).
It took me two stores, but I was able to get a few things this morning.
Wegman's across from my office has half and half, milk, eggs, and cheese. They also had, amazingly enough, onions. Only red onions, and pretty picked over, but I'm going to make a pot of chili tonight, so no big deal. The meat cases, on the other hand, still look like a vegetarian's wet dream. Only high end cuts of meat. Canned goods were spotty.
The local Giant actually had some meat -- chicken and some ground beef, but still no ground turkey. I grabbed a family pack of chicken breasts. I'll make a pot of chili with a couple of vacuum seal the others for the deep freeze. I was also able to get canned beans at Giant. Haven't seen much in the way of canned beans since last week.
Hopefully this is easing a bit as people calm the *expletive deleted*ck down and realize that they've bought enough stuff to last them for awhile.
No corned beef. No potatoes. No cabbage. No chicken. Mainly expensive cuts of beef. A little pork. Cheese section almost completely empty.
I think it is the opposite Mike. People are seeing empty shelves and buying whatever they can.
I think things are going to calm the hell down given that a lot of people have laid in a lot of supplies.
I wonder how much of the hoarding is people who eat out all the time suddenly trying to cook.
Around here especially. DC/MD/VA is all hustle and bustle, people don't eat at home that much.
That was the first couple of days when the schools started shutting down.I don't think all that many people got a lot of supplies. As with most hoarding events a few did, but they were buying a bunch if not to depletion. The next people saw low stock and bought what was left and then a bunch of other stuff. There are plenty of people out there who don't have a lot of staples and weren't able to buy them. They won't starve - plenty of calories are still available - but they aren't able to buy what they want or as cheaply as they want, so when they see a staple they'll buy more than usual which will push this on even longer.
I think things are going to calm the hell down given that a lot of people have laid in a lot of supplies.
Yes, there is some "I'll buy anything that I can! I can eat cat treats, right?" going on, but that's also going to start calming down as the first wave of panic monkeys realizes that they have 1,200 rolls of toilet paper and enough food to feed a small army for a month and no where to sit in their houses.
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1239748037359988737?s=20
James Woods shared this lady's short video on Twitter. It is pretty good. "Y'all, it doesn't matter what we do. There are so many stupid people in this world, we are never going to survive anyway." =D
Her point about the pin pad is a good one. I brought it up with GF 2 weeks ago, that every transaction, with cash or card, is going to be a transfer of biology. We discussed possibly carrying some sort of wipes to wipe down pin pads or POS machines, but determined it was too much of a pain, especially with the possibility of unintended keystrokes on touchpads.
Not sure if cash is going to be cleaner than plastic or not. Especially once you start getting into all the coin swapping.
currently have ZERO official positive COVIDs in our county but our Illinois governor, health dept, parks and DNR, everything is shutting down. Banks are locking lobby doors (should I have pulled some cash in addition to the $500 emergency cash we keep at home? Nah.)
It FEELS like a forced vacation but I cant go fishing at the state lake 1 mile from my house. I guess I'll do some work on my jeep and get started on overhauling my fishing boat. Nice enough today I might get my bicycle out for a ride, I just can't do my usual on the state park roads. Maybe I'll ride around the outside of it.
I've been using my credit card, with the chip in it, tit doesn't ask for a pin.That is good especially if you go to those places. =D
Cash is already disgusting. Store touch screens and pin pads are exactly why we don't touch our *expletive deleted*ing faces and wash our dirty hands.
Also a good point I saw elsewhere - China is apparently waging a background propaganda war against us in an effort to blame the US for COVID. This is supposedly one of the reasons the Trump admin has been using "Chinese flu", as a defensive tactic. Yet the MSM is backing China via their PC outrage.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/david-frum-apologizes-for-his-spanish-flu-dumb-mistake-but-not-the-one-hes-getting-roasted-for/
The MSM & dems started the groundwork for that a while back while C19 was still a nearly 100% Chinese problem. Anything to improve their odds come Nov 3rd.Many of them are in bed with China in one way or another anyway. If not them, then their parent companies.
We SHOULD pin this on the Chinese as much as possible, maybe start calling it the Xi-SARS or CCP-Death...
I tried the local Pig again last night- completely packed. I don't get it, if people are staying home, why do they need to pack the store at 5PM?
Drove on to Kwik Trip- they had nearly everything I needed- Hamburger, brats, bacon(was on sale!), eggs, milk, taco shells, etc. Unfortunately they were out of potatoes...
If you have to go to the grocery store, do it at 5AM, not 5PM.
If you have to go to the grocery store, do it at 5AM, not 5PM.
I've been using my credit card, with the chip in it, tit doesn't ask for a pin.
In a separate email sent by the assistant director of Louisville Metro Emergency Services as of 7 p.m. on Tuesday, police will not be responding to several types of events:
· Medical alarms, unless there is a known safety issue
· Non-injury accidents
· Hit-and-run accidents
· Disorderly persons
· Intoxicated persons
· Reckless drivers
Bloody Tuesday.https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/nyt-wapo-wsj-voa-and-time-reporters-told-to-leave-china-and-hong-kong/
Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs just announced it is expelling all the American reporters at Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Washington Post.
And not allowing them to work in HONG KONG either. Unprecedented.https://t.co/OiwQ783v9l
— B. Allen-Ebrahimian (@BethanyAllenEbr) March 17, 2020
Oh, edit: My store was out of eggs too. More poor planning on my part. I still have a dozen and a half, and lots of powdered egg, but I've put off getting chickens. Had I gotten them last year, I'd be sitting pretty for eggs. I'm getting the coup (a nice one the previous owners left) in order in the next week or so and getting chicks.
While I can accept that every disaster plan should include provision for overthrowing the government, are you planning on unseating the county gummint or the state gummint?
I've seen several facebook posts from my friends sharing grocery stores that are leaving aside 1-2 hours in the mornings where only seniors can shop. The left being the left, I anticipate age discrimination lawsuits any time now.
Huh. I would have thought the COVID-19 would have already killed off the grammar nazis and autocorrect nazis, since they have such sensitive constitutions.
=D
I've seen several facebook posts from my friends sharing grocery stores that are leaving aside 1-2 hours in the mornings where only seniors can shop. The left being the left, I anticipate age discrimination lawsuits any time now.
SWMBO is going to the homebrew shop this week. I have one keg, but no CO2 system. She's going to pick up a keg/CO2 system kit. Going to give her a shopping list for a batch of beer. Hopefully they have plenty.
Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.
Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.
Iowa is pretty much shut down. Schools are closed until mid April, bars and eat in restaurants closed until the end of the March.
This sucks.
How about used car dealers? I was planning to drive thru there in a few days on my way home to look at a truck (near Coon Rapids, IA) https://www.exiraauto.com/used-2012-chevrolet-silverado-1500-reg-cab-4y4-v5168108.html
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covid-19-cases-soar-deaths-top-2-500-in-italy/1769626So Italy has universal testing now?
That's nudging up on a 10% death rate, and most people haven't recovered yet.
What's more, that number of deaths is comparable to what China was reporting for months, which only further proves that the Chinese have indeed been lying about this (shocker, eh?)
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covid-19-cases-soar-deaths-top-2-500-in-italy/1769626
That's nudging up on a 10% death rate, and most people haven't recovered yet.
What's more, that number of deaths is comparable to what China was reporting for months, which only further proves that the Chinese have indeed been lying about this (shocker, eh?)
I don't think all that many people got a lot of supplies. As with most hoarding events a few did, but they were buying a bunch if not to depletion. The next people saw low stock and bought what was left and then a bunch of other stuff. There are plenty of people out there who don't have a lot of staples and weren't able to buy them. They won't starve - plenty of calories are still available - but they aren't able to buy what they want or as cheaply as they want, so when they see a staple they'll buy more than usual which will push this on even longer.Had to pick up a prescription (in my state) and I may have been wrong. They had purchase limits but some staples were restocked. Still a lot of empty shelves but seemed a little better (in my area).
Based on what I'm seeing in my area I think it's going to be a good bit until stores can keep staples on the shelf. It's a psychological thing, not necessity. Even if folks already have a gallon of milk in the fridge they will remember when the shelves were completely empty and will be tempted to buy another gallon just in case, which means less milk for the next guy. The solution to that is going to be supply-side flooding. When people start to see full shelves for a few visits running then they'll calm down.
Police in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on Tuesday suspended arrests for what they consider to be low-level offenses and violations late in the day.https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufkin/2020/03/17/philadelphia-suspends-low-level-arrests-amid-concern-over-wuhan-virus-n2565153
The Fraternal Order of Police announced that they would not be making arrests for vandalism, prostitution, narcotics offenses, burglary, theft, economic fraud, stolen cars, and outstanding bench warrants following the closure of Philadelphia courts until at least April 1.
Retail Stores: currently we are taking precautions in our retail store locations, and at this time retail stores are open. Phone lines were unable to be answered due to the huge influx of customers, so we have temporarily disabled them. We are trying to respond to emails related to store backorders, but all employees are trying their best to help in-store customers, restock, and clean. Product, especially ammo, is moving off the shelves at a very rapid rate, and we are doing our best to stay as stocked as possible. There are long lines at registers, we apologize for that and are working to fix it, but to get new registers up and running and new employees trained won't help us in the short term. Also, government background check systems are overloaded, and approvals are coming back very slowly. This is out of our control. If you need to, you can place your gun on a layaway and come back later or on a following day.
Ranges: ranges are open as normal and operating with normal business hours.
Internet Orders: product is disappearing at an extremely rapid rate, and we are doing our best to grab as much product for our customers as possible; however, in times of crises we cannot guarantee that we will be able to fill every order. Apologies if this happens to you. Our computer systems update from suppliers every few minutes, but product can disappear before we have a chance to react. Leadtimes may be extended past the time that you are initially quoted. Again, this is due to supply disruption. It is possible that if our suppliers stop shipping product, that we may have to put outstanding orders on a temporary hold, until the situation resolves itself. You will be notified if this occurs. Again, we try to plan ahead for these types of events, but this situation is affecting the entire supply chain. Phones are currently disabled as we don't have the manpower to process orders, move product, and answer phones-- you will still be able to contact us via email and we will strive to get back with you as soon as possible.
Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.
Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.
Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.
Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.
Now I'm wondering if panic buying will ramp back up again. I just heard on the news (broadcast from some city somewhere), that while Costco and Target are both limiting hours (and Costco people at anyone time), they are both also considering completely closing. If warehouse stores like Costco and Sam's talk about closing, that's going to cause a second big round of panic buying, IMO.
My wife just had a wedding gig in May cancelled since the groom and most of the family won't be allowed to fly in...
First personal financial hit we've taken. (And it's nothing compared to most small businesses- we don't rely on her earnings. They're just nice to have.)
I signed up at work to man the corona isolation unit once cases ramp up. We will get to wear negative pressure helmets and 'bunny suits'.
Asked about danger pay and got no answer...
Researchers studying COVID-19 in its outbreak epicenter, Wuhan, and the city of Shenzhen found the proportion of type A patients both infected and killed by the disease to be “significantly” higher than those with the same blood type in the general public.
Type O patients, meanwhile, made up a smaller proportion of both those infected and killed by the virus.
How about a little bit of good news for a change:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china/ar-BB11llda?ocid=spartanntp
I promise it will. The US is still suffering from a serious lagtime on tests. The media will report the raw number, without reporting how many are actually critical vs. just positive. When cases jump dramatically in the next 7 days, people will *expletive deleted*it themselves. Even the death toll will jump, because there are people who doctors know are critically ill now, but can't be tested. They'll be tested post mortem and added to the numbers.
I would not want to live in any major metropolitan area in the next 2 weeks. Things are going to get *expletive deleted*ing ugly.
How about a little bit of good news for a change:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china/ar-BB11llda?ocid=spartanntp
Let's hope the FDA and CDC actually let people use it.
You are right about the lag time. Once the tests roll out by the millions you will see a significant jump in positives here in the US, but then again I believe it will drive down the mortality because so many will test positive and still be walking among us, in a manner of speaking.
bob
22 cases in a nursing home in the town south of me.
For a reference point County Line Rd runs along our cities. The two counties are Cook (contains Chicago) and Dupage Co.
would not want to be running a nursing home right now.
Wouldn't want to BE in a Nursing Home right now.
bob
I promise it will. The US is still suffering from a serious lagtime on tests. The media will report the raw number, without reporting how many are actually critical vs. just positive. When cases jump dramatically in the next 7 days, people will *expletive deleted*it themselves. Even the death toll will jump, because there are people who doctors know are critically ill now, but can't be tested. They'll be tested post mortem and added to the numbers.
I would not want to live in any major metropolitan area in the next 2 weeks. Things are going to get *expletive deleted*ing ugly.
Might be a tangent, but what percentage of the population do you guys think will have learned a lesson about being prepared? I have spent the last 20 or more years being made fun of by family, friends, frenemies, whoever, because of my one open and two unopened cases of TP, the couple of cases of MREs, the bags of rice and beans, freeze dried foods, etc. The generators, batteries, water purification, etc.
None of them are laughing now. However, I have to wonder how long that will last? Lots of people now talk about having emergency supplies on hand, but I have to wonder how many of them will create a stock of emergency supplies after everything is back to normal and there is an abundance of supplies. My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. That might be optimistic. Five years from now, half that 10% will say, "This is stupid" and stop doing it.
Might be a tangent, but what percentage of the population do you guys think will have learned a lesson about being prepared? I have spent the last 20 or more years being made fun of by family, friends, frenemies, whoever, because of my one open and two unopened cases of TP, the couple of cases of MREs, the bags of rice and beans, freeze dried foods, etc. The generators, batteries, water purification, etc.You may be right about the percentage who will learn. I think some people need to learn the prepping lesson personally in order for that to stay in their thinking.
None of them are laughing now. However, I have to wonder how long that will last? Lots of people now talk about having emergency supplies on hand, but I have to wonder how many of them will create a stock of emergency supplies after everything is back to normal and there is an abundance of supplies. My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. That might be optimistic. Five years from now, half that 10% will say, "This is stupid" and stop doing it.
My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. T
This looks interesting.I listened to a medical podcast last week suggesting zinc with quinolone was effective
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/?fbclid=IwAR2GUlpLIr5xxRrYn5_w388mNy_lCUugPAym3COVYgH4CqYaTYWo7P6itSQ (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/?fbclid=IwAR2GUlpLIr5xxRrYn5_w388mNy_lCUugPAym3COVYgH4CqYaTYWo7P6itSQ)
Giant food store near my office has more produce than I've seen in a week. Pretty much some quantity of everything you'd expect to see. I didn't check out eggs or milk.
Meat is still sketchy, but there was some ground beef, some ground turkey, and some lesser cuts of beef (chuck roast, that sort of thing). Also some pork chops.
Toilet tissue, paper towels? Nope.
Signs everywhere asking people not to be aholes and buy more than they needed.
The ditzoid "econ major" from the Bronx is insisting on "rent suspension" as part of the virus response. So renters don't pay rent, the property owners don't have money for the mortgage, then what? ;/
Also, I'd be curious to see just how well this would work out if it's over say, six months from now. If someone's paying $1000/mo x 6 months = $6000, will they pay the landlord the six grand back at that time? Or will they say the spent the money and can't pay it back? Since the new rules also call for a ban on evictions, that'll work out nice, for one of the parties at least.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-progressives-coronavirus-relief
Well, since the fed is loaning money to banks at 0% interest now.....
The only way you get this to work is suspend mortgage payments like Italy. Most rentals are privately owned, and leveraged. Joe the private investor has a couple town homes, he put 10% down on them and bought them from foreclosure. He's still making a mortgage payment, which was leveraged off of the rental history on said property.
I'm not saying I support the idea, but I like it better than just throwing money at the airlines or the banks.
I'm not saying I support the idea, but I like it better than just throwing money at the airlines or the banks.
The ditzoid "econ major" from the Bronx is insisting on "rent suspension" as part of the virus response. So renters don't pay rent, the property owners don't have money for the mortgage, then what? ;/
Also, I'd be curious to see just how well this would work out if it's over say, six months from now. If someone's paying $1000/mo x 6 months = $6000, will they pay the landlord the six grand back at that time? Or will they say the spent the money and can't pay it back? Since the new rules also call for a ban on evictions, that'll work out nice, for one of the parties at least.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-progressives-coronavirus-relief
the world didn't want to deal with the stitches in your ass, either, I guess... :rofl:
I had to go to the store yesterday. I decided to go to the small country town Food Lion, rather than the one closer to the city.
There were only two things I was buying that had taken a serious hit. Bottled water (which I expected) and cheese... Yes, cheese. ??? Of course the paper products aisle was a barren wasteland. The microwave dinner section had also been seriously riffled through but most items where not significantly depleted. Produce had taken a hit, but there were still a lot of things. All in all, it looked like a thundering herd had come through and left most things behind.
Yeah, except lunch meat and bread were good. So was the cracker aisle and wine was pretty well stocked, so I don't know what they're doing with the cheese. ???
Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?Not yet.
Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?
They might as well pull the trigger on that, put the final nail in the coffin of the US economy and any chance Trump had of reelection.
And the MSM and TPTB had damn well better start this whole panic business each and every year from here on out at the beginning of everyfluelectionseasonyear.
Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?
Scuttlebutt is a 2 week lock down in coming.
That bit of gossip is worth exactly what you paid for it.
Multiple police departments in Southern California say they have been receiving more 911 calls from residents concerned that their coughing neighbor may have the coronavirus.
I am considered essential personnel. Had the day off today for a dentist appointment that got cancelled, so I worked from home. If I get to work tomorrow and get a new ID or any kind of papers, I let you guys know.
I am considered essential personnel. Had the day off today for a dentist appointment that got cancelled, so I worked from home. If I get to work tomorrow and get a new ID or any kind of papers, I let you guys know.
Friend's wife got a call today while she was working remotely from home. Front office required her to come in no later than Friday (but ideally right now!) to fill out paperwork to be declared an essential worker or something so she could travel to work regularly. Works in a lab that's doing Chinese Death Flu research. Scuttlebutt is a 2 week lock down is coming.I heard something similar - one to two week shelter in place being announced Friday. No clue whether it is true or not, or what that means.
I guess I can kinda see why even liberals are wanting guns and ammo now:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/18/aclu-calls-for-immediate-release-of-prisoners-most-susceptible-to-the-coronavirus/
Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?
Same.
Saw it on Facetoob last night "A month ago everyone made fun of you for being a prepper or homeschooler, now everyone is a prepper and homeschooler."
It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate.
Omar? Are they sure that's the same Omar?
Ilhan Omar praises Trump's 'incredible' response to coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
Omar? Are they sure that's the same Omar?So either she wants something or I should be worried about something Trump is already doing. Maybe she is trying to keep the justice department off her back.
Ilhan Omar praises Trump's 'incredible' response to coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
So either she wants something or I should be worried about someone Trump is already doing. Maybe she is trying to keep the justice department off her back.
"It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate."
You want Stalin? Because that's how you get Stalin.
"It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate."
You want Stalin? Because that's how you get Stalin.
Potentially relevant to the shelter in place speculation, it seems the American Trucking Association took some concerns to the President yesterday, most specifically the fact that states are closing rest areas. After that meeting states are now reopening rest areas and service plazas that had been closed. That would seem to contradict a federal plan for sheltering in place to me.During any extended shelter in place there will be some people who will be allowed to work. I could see truckers being exempted, along with grocery workers, medical, police, fire, etc.
I missed it, which talking head shared that timeless gem of wisdom?
No talking head, just one of the sheep in the public comments section of the article. Nothing new. Besides making fun of me, many of my old coworkers always said, "Why should I take up space keeping supplies? I can just go to Ben's house if something happens."
That's pretty standard for the sheep. Why prepare yourself when the government or whoever will take care of you?
During any extended shelter in place there will be some people who will be allowed to work. I could see truckers being exempted, along with grocery workers, medical, police, fire, etc.
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing christ on a flaming pogo stick.
How stupid is my agency?
We have several small break rooms, and a large cafeteria. No cafeteria service, so it's just a big lunch room. This gives people options and opportunity to spread out on breaks and lunch.
Guess which room they are closing this week?
THE *expletive deleted*ing CAFETERIA. The room literally has no soft furniture and is all tile and glass. Besides copious amounts of sunlight, it's easy to clean.
Which means everyone will be confined to the 2 break rooms for lunches or on break.
JFC.
Having truck drivers stop at rest areas would seem to be better than stopping at truck stops if the purpose is to avoid contact.Gotta have both. Parking for the legally required breaks has been a huge problem for drivers for years now but no one wants trucks around. Unless they're bringing TP in which case they're a hero until they're unloaded and then it's gtfo.
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing christ on a flaming pogo stick.
How stupid is my agency?
We have several small break rooms, and a large cafeteria. No cafeteria service, so it's just a big lunch room. This gives people options and opportunity to spread out on breaks and lunch.
Guess which room they are closing this week?
THE *expletive deleted*ing CAFETERIA. The room literally has no soft furniture and is all tile and glass. Besides copious amounts of sunlight, it's easy to clean.
Which means everyone will be confined to the 2 break rooms for lunches or on break.
JFC.
From what I've heard the much better answer is massive testing and just isolating the positives.
From what I've heard the much better answer is massive testing and just isolating the positives.I heard someone say that is the plan. This is just a stop gap until the test kits are more available.
This is just a stop gap until the test kits are more available.
"A police officer told the pastor that the National Guard will break up future gatherings that violate the public health rules issued by Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards."
Regarding Italy, there was a perfect storm that caused their situation.
Large population of Chinese who travel home and back as well as having visitors from China regularly.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/how_did_italy_become_the_new_ground_zero_of_coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR1K694mJofI-TDgGkuNQu1EEBdmTGBO3Dqc8lx6jvLvsJD5m4LV_Rsavps
Regarding Italy, there was a perfect storm that caused their situation.Italy is ahead of us in testing though. Pretty much everyone is ahead of us in testing. =(
Italy is ahead of us in testing though. Pretty much everyone is ahead of us in testing. =(
(https://i.imgur.com/JWmo2UO.png)
...aaaaand Texas jumps on the Full-Retard banwagon.
https://www.kcbd.com/2020/03/19/gov-greg-abbott-orders-texans-avoid-groups-closes-bars-gyms-restaurants-dine-in/?fbclid=IwAR3AbhreCQCSDhFhZ8msV5CtfLH3-RAqOZgX0ZYn1Azjoy3UGEPoLz_-y0A
Brad
During a news conference at the state Capitol, Abbott announced an executive order that will limit social gatherings to 10 people, prohibit eating and drinking at restaurants and bars while still allowing takeout, close gyms, ban people from visiting nursing homes except for critical care and temporarily close schools. The executive order is effective midnight Friday through midnight April 3, Abbott said.Most restaurants here were already closing the dining room. I imagine after this there will be lawsuits about their authority to actually order this stuff.
Have you seen any comparisons between us and any other high population countries?
How many Americans would have to be tested to top that chart? Would there be enough tests even on the planet to get'r done?
I know that's what we're going to try and do now but remember, we're yuuge compared to those other nations.
Have you seen any comparisons between us and any other high population countries?
How many Americans would have to be tested to top that chart? Would there be enough tests even on the planet to get'r done?
I know that's what we're going to try and do now but remember, we're yuuge compared to those other nations.
NBC's @KeirSimmons says that China "helped" the world by "delaying" the spread of coronavirus and that it is now "worrying that they may get re-infected…from the rest of the world"pic.twitter.com/WSkmGctnmthttps://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/19/nbc-news-reporter-warns-that-china-who-helped-contain-covid19-is-now-facing-a-grave-threat-from-america-and-the-western-world-video/
— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) March 19, 2020
How's this for spin?I've seen better...
China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!:rofl:
How many Americans would have to be tested to top that chart? Would there be enough tests even on the planet to get'r done?
I know that's what we're going to try and do now but remember, we're yuuge compared to those other nations.
And yes, good luck getting Churches to stop meetings. They would be better off just asking them to spread everyone out or something.
My son in law works in computer sales: they primarily sell, install and service PCs, accessories and software to businesses. I called him this morning because I read an article in the WSJ about laptop shortages with all the people working from home. He confirmed that and said the other big shortage right now was monitors, with everyone buying a new monitor to plug into their new laptop or to add a second monitor to their desktop system. He said with the shortage of chips and components from China, it is going to take a while for the manufacturers to get up to speed and build replacement systems.
So why not televisions?
Awhile back I picked up an inexpensive (but surprisingly capable) 8" Windows tablet from Amazon. It does pretty much what I wanted it to do, but the screen is too small for my aging eyes so I followed up with a refurbished Microsoft Surface, with docking station. Recently I pulled the television out of the guest bedroom and set it up on the dining table so I can play with both tablets on a large screen. It works great, and since the connection is HDMI it uses the speaker (or speakers?) in the television, with no need for any external speakers.
https://i.imgur.com/GHwtQXg.mp4
Ventured out for some snacky snacks, and liquor. Went to a Safeway in town. Mostly well stocked. I went past the meat aisle and it was pretty bare, as was the paper aisle. Had no problem getting cheese, crackers. Liquor store next door was fully stocked.
If you thought the stores were crazy before
California Gov. Gavin Newsom announces statewide coronavirus 'stay at home' order
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-gov-gavin-newsom-announces-statewide-stay-at-home-order
And yes, good luck getting Churches to stop meetings. They would be better off just asking them to spread everyone out or something.
Just popped onto the website for Giant, my preferred local grocery store. I wanted to get a laugh at the sales circulars...
They have a big splash on their home page that they have set out special shopping hours for senior citizens AND immunocompromised shoppers.
That's the first that I've heard of a store including immunocompromised shoppers in the designated shopping time mix.
That's the first that I've heard of a store including immunocompromised shoppers in the designated shopping time mix.
IRS just announced that tax filing deadline will move to July 15.
Filing deadline is still April 15, bu you now have until July 15 to pay up if you owe any taxes.
They're saying July 15 as the filing deadline for federal taxes.
Just confirmed. Indianapolis Center went ATC0...they are shut down. Which means no fedex flights.
Any of our Wisconsin peeps driving down I-94? Are the rumors true there's a huge National Guard presence at the Miller Park parking lots? I'm just a few miles away, but haven't had reason to drive that way and pass it.
MPD was training for riots/civil disturbance at State Fair, although that might not be anything unusual, as they've been ramping up for the DNC convention this summer.
I'm strictly on 43 from Ozaukee to Milwaukee county, I haven't seen anything over my way yet, maybe I'll do a driveby this afternoon, as its only 10 min out of my way.
I just checked the traffic cams. The parking lots that I can see from the cams are empty, but there are a few that I can't see.
I checked with a Pilot for DAL and he says Center is shut down but flights are still originating at Indy.
So if they can funnel out under ZID’s airspace, and still have enough gas to get to destination, then they’ll be able to go. But the increased impact on the surrounding centers will cause major impacts throughout the system. Imagine closing one chunk of a major freeway. Sure, you can drive around it. But so is everyone else.
Filing deadline is still April 15, bu you now have until July 15 to pay up if you owe any taxes.
OMG :facepalm:
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1240801409496313857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
You know those earrings are fake, right?
Not according to CNBC:
The IRS moved the national income tax filing day ahead to July 15, three months after the normal deadline for Americans to send in their returns.
EDIT IN:
OK, I see others also noted the filing date change.
You know those earrings are fake, right?
IL may be next for a lockdown
Illinois expected to join N.Y., Calif. in locking down against coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/20/trumps-team-senators-negotiate-t-economic-rescue-deal/
IL may be next for a lockdown
Illinois expected to join N.Y., Calif. in locking down against coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/20/trumps-team-senators-negotiate-t-economic-rescue-deal/
https://howmuchtoiletpaper.com/
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the total cases, since the US is ass behind on testing.
Total confirmed cases in the US jumped by over 5k in the last 24 hours.
Latest in Illinois is 4X what it was last time I looked.Isn't that mostly a factor of testing ramping up?
Noticed in both Costco and Sam's people seem to be ignoring beef jerky. I would have thought people would be hitting that hard.
Isn't that mostly a factor of testing ramping up?
As testing becomes more common, we do expect the number of confirmed cases to rise. Hopefully, we don't see the deaths rise at the same time.
Correct. But most people who bother getting tested are legit sick.
For those interested (it isn't my cup of tea), the Metropolitan Opera is offering free streaming:
https://www.metopera.org/
So how will those pictures of the Mall look with everyone keeping 6 feet of personal space?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5717/text?r=1&s=1
https://howmuchtoiletpaper.com/
Costco, the big-box store known for its flexible return policy, is reportedly no longer accepting returns on several in-demand items such as toilet paper, paper towels, sanitizing wipes, water, rice or Lysol.
Completely unhelpful and destined only to sow division.
He isn’t privy to any of the information the government has, he doesn’t have to actually be accountable for anything he says he “would” hypothetically do. This is just heckling from the sidelines in a time of true crisis.
Garbage bags decimated.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/it-will-not-be-pretty-state-preparing-to-make-life-or-death-decisions-if-coronavirus-overwhelms-health-care-system/
Washington state is coming up with a triage plan to allocate scarce healthcare resources. Death panels, if you will. Many other states are doing the same.
Kinda political but kinda not: Joe Biden will be giving "shadow briefings" on the virus to "counteract" Trump. Good thoughts on this from a commenter:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/21/dangerous-and-outrageous-joe-bidens-plan-for-shadow-coronavirus-briefings-to-counter-trump-gets-shredded/
New York Center just went down....multiple confirmed cases.
Nothing on the FAA website about it. Traffic still moving through there on FlightAware.
Another one bordering on political, but holy hell - the trannies are now upset that hospitals are treating virus victims instead of doing sex change operations. Way to promote your brand, yo.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/21/vice-non-essential-life-saving-trans-surgeries-are-being-delayed-too-due-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
Another one bordering on political, but holy hell - the trannies are now upset that hospitals are treating virus victims instead of doing sex change operations. Way to promote your brand, yo.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/21/vice-non-essential-life-saving-trans-surgeries-are-being-delayed-too-due-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
(https://cdn.ricochet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/BidenBriefings-750x790.jpg)
I was semi misinformed. Two areas are ATC0. Major delays into the NE. Traffic is being worked around those areas, the TRACON is tunneling traffic out at a reduced capacity.
Stopped by a small town IGA, rural Virginia.
Things were mostly normal. Most things available, if low. They had a small amount of baby wipes. They even had a couple BNLS Chicken breasts.
However, even their paper products aisle was empty. No paper towels, no toilet paper.
The crazy is everywhere.
Half of a twin city? Wonder how that will go.
Half of a twin city? Wonder how that will go.
Try a reese that helped me get protein after dropping over 40 pounds in a couple months.
Got me back to eating.
Our feckless governor proudly announced today that we have now run 3,100 tests for COVID-19.
Let's do the math: This was as of the end of the day on March 21. The first case in this state was confirmed on March 8. 21 - 8 = 13. So, even if they had only started testing on the 8th, that would mean they've been averaging 238 tests per day. In reality, testing started before the 8th, so call it 200 tests or less per day. With multiple testing sites around the state, that strikes me as pretty poor performance.
Shortly after, I saw another FB discussion about why gun stores are allowed to stay open, that they should have been shut down the first day because it's non essential, and just allowing these hoarders to arm up to protect their stuff from those "who may need it." Yeah, no s$%t, my guns and ammo are to protect my family and our supplies.
Well...the rumor is that there's been some incidents in the local high end grocery store parking lot (Wegman's). Apparently there's now a permanent police presence.
I found it odd that very recently, the county put some of those solar powered cameras in the Walmart parking lot...like early Feb they suddenly appeared...
Rand Paul has it
That could be bad. I believe he has some underlying respiratory/lung issues from the assault he was the victim of a few years back. I seem to recall he may have had a portion of a lung removed, for some reason that is stuck in my brain, it could also be a figment of my imagination. =|
bob
Little Debbie snack cakes were pretty well wiped out of the more popular stuff.
It's cracking me up about the run on junk food. My little store also has "one item" signs for scarce items, which includes the twinkies, chips, and ice cream. :laugh:
Beshear also announced a significant step toward limiting the spread of the coronavirus. As of Monday night, all non-essential retail businesses are required to close by 8 p.m. Beshear said grocery stores, pharmacies, and gas stations will be allowed to stay open, but all other stores are ordered to close. Examples given were clothing stores, department stores and auto dealers, though the governor did allow auto mechanics can stay open.
Beshear also said non-essential businesses can continue providing pickup and delivery services.
Liquor stores and banks also are exempt and can stay open, Beshear said.
If this is real, it's not good.
How about them law enforcement grade hollow points for protecting your virus stash?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/gun-and-ammunition-sales-rise-amid-pandemic-fears/2020/03/21/6000640e-6b08-11ea-abef-020f086a3fab_story.html
In Washington, D.C., the demand for handguns spiked so sharply this month that dealer Charles Sykes, the only person who can legally provide pistols to residents of the nation’s capital, said he has stopped doing so, because he was overwhelmed.
“It looked like it was going to continue, that there was no end in sight,” he said. “A person has to know his limitations, and I know mine.”
Although handgun ownership has been legal in the District since a 2008 Supreme Court ruling, there are no gun stores. Like O’Connor in Maryland, Sykes is an FFL-holder in D.C. — and the only one. Any city resident who wants to legally acquire a pistol has to order it outside of D.C. and have it shipped to Sykes to finish the transaction.
But no more. “I was getting so inundated with firearms coming in, it got to be too much,” Sykes said. “I had to stop accepting them. Any firearms that come in now, they automatically get sent back.”
True dedication right there. :facepalm:
Does anyone else feel like there is no real plan from the Feds or the States and no end in sight?
I don't know how long people can just hang out at home. This week is when people start missing checks if they haven't already.
Angela Merkel went into quarantine after she was exposed to her doctor who had it. Germany apparently has one of the lowest mortality rates.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts
My conspiracy theory cousin has been sending me some interesting youtubz about kraut infection rates and response though.
Keep the older folks in protective quarantine, and let it run it's course. A tiny percentage will die, most won't , and we might have a country left over.
Continue this economic suicide and we won't have a country we recognize.
I am starting to wonder if China/MSM/commiecrats are running a panic scheme on us, designed to get us shut down.
Top U.S. health officials are "looking very closely" at reports that a much higher percentage of younger Americans than expected need hospitalization as a result of contracting the coronavirus, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Sunday.
"It looks like there is a big difference between that demography from China and what we're seeing in Europe," Fauci said.
The supposed safety of youth is being reconsidered.
I read that some young Olympic Athlete from South Africa got the virus and while he is recovering, he said it apparently kicked his ass more than any other illness he'd ever had. Maybe there are genetic, and not just "underlying issue" variables to the thing.Or he just never got a bad case of the flu before.
“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says.
This does not mean that Covid-19 did not contribute to a patient's death, rather it demonstrates that Italy's fatality toll has surged as a large proportion of patients have underlying health conditions. Experts have also warned against making direct comparisons between countries due to discrepancies in testing.
Just heard on the teevee that one of the reasons Pelosi got involved and threw a monkey wrench into Senate proceedings on the relief bill is that there wasn't enough planned parenthood and abortion funding in it. Which begs the (rhetorical) question of why there would be any funding for that in it at all.
Both sides were really close on this until the last minute. I'm thinking Pelosi was once again swayed into something stupid by the far left / socialist contingent of her party.
Pelosi and many other dems are quite experienced in the game of inserting something into bills like this that they know if noticed will either get the bill block by the Rs or vetoed by the president. They then go on TV and loudly proclaim how this shows how president doesn't care for the poor helpless people while they and the MSM bury the story of the offending parts of the bill.
Just heard on the teevee that one of the reasons Pelosi got involved and threw a monkey wrench into Senate proceedings on the relief bill is that there wasn't enough planned parenthood and abortion funding in it. Which begs the (rhetorical) question of why there would be any funding for that in it at all.
Both sides were really close on this until the last minute. I'm thinking Pelosi was once again swayed into something stupid by the far left / socialist contingent of her party.
While the two sides agree on major parts of the bill, they remain far apart on some elements. Democrats say that a $500 billion fund to bail out industries hard-hit by the economic disruption caused by the virus amounts to a “corporate slush fund” that the administration could use to reward its friends. And, they say, the bill doesn’t contain enough protections against layoffs by businesses that get federal help.
One of the local hospitala setting up tents
And it's not like Rs don't try to do the same in most instances, but this is clearly a bill (regardless of how I personally feel about tossing this kind of money around) that needs less of the 100% unrelated pork and to just get passed.
Huge difference is that the Rs usually don't have the MSM putting up smoke screens for them.
This thread is getting big enough that I may have missed this already being covered here, but apparently Italy is saying, "no respirators for those 60 and older". Considering average life expectancy for an otherwise healthy person, that' a relatively young age for the cutoff.
https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856
I read it was related to the bailout to industry and the Dems wanted more restrictions.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-22/senate-leaders-close-in-on-multi-trillion-economic-rescue-package
I wonder if 60 is retirement age in Italy? When resources are limited, you save the ones who aren't a drain on the system.
That's part of it, and the only part that places like the Times seem to be reporting. Trump seems to actually be on board regarding the stock buybacks, etc, and a back and forth on that is appropriate as it's directly related to the response bill. Planned parenthood (or the NRA if somebody on the right wants to fund them) is inappropriate.
If we did that here, there would be a pretty big demographic of welfare recipients with $200 basketball shoes and $1000 iPhones that wouldn't be put on a respirator. :)
BS detector is going crazy with this one.
The right and left reporting on it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sasse-rips-pelosi-for-trying-to-smuggle-hyde-amendment-loophole-into-coronavirus-package/
https://www.newsweek.com/abortion-debate-coronavirus-package-response-1492218
Sounds like it was killed before it passed the house, at least it read that way in the first article you posted.
If it was, there should be no reason for the hold up today. Though I saw the dems are also trying to sneak in lastminute green new deal stuff, so there may be new hurdles.
At any rate, at least general public opinion seems to be against them for once.
Last minute from the House right?
IDK, because from what I read, it's the senate bill that is being kiboshed.
Looks like it has gone back to the house, and it's now green new deal and a boatload of other non-pandemic stuff being added to the already 1800 pages.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/23/disgusting-heres-how-nancy-pelosi-is-using-house-dems-covid19-stimulus-bill-to-put-a-gun-to-the-head-of-america-right-now/
All bullscat, house is adjorned and in recess
http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx
House Dems circulate 1,119-page stimulus bill - entitled the Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act - that Pelosi will introduce this afternoon
Different bill:
Last Floor Action:
11:33:55 A.M. - The Speaker announced that the House do now recess. The next meeting is subject to the call of the Chair.
NewsroomPelosi Statement Ahead of Unveiling of Democrats’ Third Coronavirus Response Bill
March 23, 2020
| Press Release
Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi released this statement ahead of the unveiling of House Democrats’ third coronavirus response bill, the Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act:
“The Senate Republicans’ bill, as presented, put corporations first, not workers and families. Today, House Democrats will unveil a bill that takes responsibility for the health, wages and well-being of America’s workers: the Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act.
“Democrats Take Responsibility:
•For our workers and small businesses: our bill requires that any corporation that takes taxpayer dollars must protect their workers’ wages and benefits – not CEO pay, stock buybacks or layoffs. It gives our small businesses fast relief with grants and loans to tide them through this crisis. And it strengthens Unemployment Insurance so that it can replace the average wages of our workers who are losing their jobs and hours.
•For our doctors, nurses, health care workers and first responders: It gives hospitals and other health institutions the desperately needed funds to provide treatment and care to all those who are sick and to ensure they have the Personal Protective Equipment to protect health care workers and first responders. It protects our health care workers by requiring the Administration to enforce our stronger Occupational Safety and Health Administration protections. At the same time, it calls for the president to invoke the Defense Production Act immediately.
•For our families: It gives direct payments to America’s families in a robust way and strengthens Child Tax Credits and the Earned Income Tax Credit. It gives more workers the security of guaranteed paid family and medical leave, including those caring for our seniors. And it makes coronavirus treatment free for the patient.
•For our students: Pumps nearly $40 billion into schools and universities, with $30 billion directly provided to states to help them stabilize their funding for schools and nearly $10 billion to help alleviate the harm caused by coronavirus on higher education institutions, while providing them with added flexibility to continue operating during the crisis. The legislation also helps current borrowers with their student debt burden and GI bill benefits. We also bolster SNAP and other initiatives to address food insecurity.
•For our Democracy: Ensures that states can carry out this year’s election with billions in grant funding for states through the Election Assistance Commission and a national requirement for both 15 days of early voting and no-excuse absentee vote-by-mail, including mailing a ballot to all registered voters in an emergency.
“I am grateful to our Committee Chairs and members for their extraordinary work for America’s workers and families. Because of the Senate Democrats, progress has been made. We urge the Senate to move closer to the values in the Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act.”
and not going to happen in the immediate future
Good. Maybe it will die.
One Boeing worker in Everett has died from the Wuhan virus.
2 people at my worksite are "presumed positive" for it now too. My ride was working in their area on Friday.
Well...the rumor is that there's been some incidents in the local high end grocery store parking lot (Wegman's). Apparently there's now a permanent police presence.
I found it odd that very recently, the county put some of those solar powered cameras in the Walmart parking lot...like early Feb they suddenly appeared...
what's that mean for you with your health situation?
I dont know why they sell out of peroxide; maybe because it's next to the rubbing alcohol?
20 more days to Easter, when I can have a beer again. Doing without hasn't been all *that* hard but I'm looking forward to it.
I don't think seizures, or PD, puts me at any higher risk than the general public. I'll look that up though to be sure.
My wife has Celiac's and in general a weaker immune system than I do. I'd honestly be more worried if she got it.
So a quick perusal of an epilepsy site and a PD site indicated I'm not at any higher risk of contracting the disease. Note that some people with one or both diagnoses can have higher risks, but that depends on things like the medications they're taking and other factors specific to their experience with the disease.
However, I could be at increased risk of additional seizures if I get Covid-19 (or any severe illness). PD can also be made worse but again, other illnesses can do that too. It just depends on many personal factors.
^^^ Got the ingredients for a couple batches of homebrew.
The Madness of Crowds. Hysteria in the Age of the Internet. Or like some guy (and I wish I knew who) once said,
"occasionally, entire societies go batshit crazy".
^^ That is the charitable view. aka accidental hysteria. The other one is we are being played deliberately.
We are treating a hangnail with a chainsaw, destroying lives and jobs and social structures and most likely all our civil liberties,
enabling and cheering on vast government expansions of power, for a virus. A virus with a minuscule mortality rate.
Our ancestors survived polio, smallpox, scarlet fever and a host of other ills without antibiotics or anesthesia, and I suspect would be sickened to their core over how a bunch moderns willingly give up the country they built with their efforts.
"A Republic, if you can keep it."
Preach it, brother! You speak much wisdom. Just be prepared to be castigated by a few folks on here.
We need to split off in to tribes.
On one side of the island, The howler monkeys of doom. On the other side of the island, The Chip Diller fan club.
=D
The Madness of Crowds. Hysteria in the Age of the Internet. Or like some guy (and I wish I knew who) once said,
"occasionally, entire societies go batshit crazy".
^^ That is the charitable view. aka accidental hysteria. The other one is we are being played deliberately.
We are treating a hangnail with a chainsaw, destroying lives and jobs and social structures and most likely all our civil liberties,
enabling and cheering on vast government expansions of power, for a virus. A virus with a minuscule mortality rate.
Our ancestors survived polio, smallpox, scarlet fever and a host of other ills without antibiotics or anesthesia, and I suspect would be sickened to their core over how a bunch moderns willingly give up the country they built with their efforts.
"A Republic, if you can keep it."
Governor Inslee of Washington state is having a press conference at 1730 today. There is much conjecture that he may order a state-wide lockdown. We will see.
I made a trip south this weekend to Castle Key's place. I left Seren there.
My daycare options for her are getting more limited quickly.
Not sure what would happen if a shelter in place order is given -- my job is considered essential to national security and I could be designated as essential. That would leave me in a serious bind if I were still required to work but couldn't get care for Seren.
So, as much as I hated to do it, Seren's now on vacation.
I’m sure she is loving it. Sounds terrible but having buried two dogs since Christmas Eve I am relieved that I do not currently have to take care of another living thing. My chickens can go two weeks on extra food and bugs. I’m makes he hurt me or not decisions less dire.
I don't see anything wrong with slowing business down, keeping supply chains afloat and food growing, but just coasting through a highly communicable disease like this, to slow its spread.point one, we can't slow it, we can only delay WHEN it happens. It is going to happen again, as soon as they let up on the restrictions. Point two, this thing is not nearly so lethal as they make out-
Nothing in the response plan that anyone is publicly selling involves giving up a country or embracing Socialism.
There's some aholes over in Mordor on the Potomac that have a bullshit 1800 page bill full of pork and fluff and transgendered unicorn aborshins. Probably some gun control and 4A/5A/10A (hell, probably 3A too) breaches. And there isn't a single sane regular old human being that thinks such a response is responsible in a situation where public discourse is effectively impossible and the "Democracy" or "Republic" or whatever form of representation we have going on here is broken due to curfews and quasi-martial-law.
I'm glad humanity is past a place where doctors stuff leather masks full of posies and think that'll protect them from vapors that cause illness, and everyone else goes about their business with fatalism. Those guys handled the Black Plague the best they could. We've got our own to deal with. One hopes we can do better.
I hope in 200 years, humanity looks at our doctors and scoffs at their barbarous "treatments" in light of the new revelations discovered in the intervening time.
Our current state of science demonstrates that reducing human intercourse can dramatically slow transmission of this disease. And that treatment capability of our medical system is insufficient for a free for all outbreak. Maybe in the future there will be a better mechanism to deal with such a thing. But embracing social norms of 100-year gone societies that had so much wrong to them from a health perspective is no way to combat this disease.
point one, we can't slow it, we can only delay WHEN it happens. It is going to happen again, as soon as they let up on the restrictions. Point two, this thing is not nearly so lethal as they make out-
There are consequences to people who lose their jobs. There are consequences to lenders who lose loans, landlords that lose income, and on and on.
I am the smallest of small time here, but still have contracts I cannot fulfill, parts at subcontractors I can't pick up, etc.
IMO, What we are seeing is a dry run for martial law.
Being asthmatic I’m on the side of slowing this *expletive deleted*it down.
Unfortunately our county officials deem my employer essential. Car repair shop. Really?
Given the choice I would hole up for 4-6 weeks or longer if necessary to not risk the severe complications of asthma and the kung flu. My pocketbook can absorb it. My health can’t. Can’t quit my job then I lose my insurance.
Just praying that I don’t get sick.
I’m reading of possible numbers from China are way way way under reality.
Italy last I checked is at 9.5 percent mortality. They were behind the 8 ball before when this *expletive deleted*it got wound up.
I think the US is trying to get ahead of this *expletive deleted*it so we don’t wind up with percentages like Italy.
Was there another way to handle it. I can think of one. But I’m not an infectious disease expert.
Damned if we do damned if we don’t.
Little worried about the language against hoarders. It is a slippery slope down to the people's committee inspecting your pantry. I had three months of food and 4 metric buttloads of ammo before this started. Hoarder or just trying to insure my tribe against pretty much this?
What if I told you you can take this seriously, socially distance, flatten the curve and yet not run around like a howler monkey of doom? We will get through this.That is something I think we need to look carefully at. Could we take reasonable steps to be careful without shutting down everything? Could we take steps to quarantine, separate, and support the people who are most at risk without shutting down the entire economy? It seems to me it would be easier to do that. I guess politicians feel like the are "doing something" only when they get do heavy handed actions.
Little worried about the language against hoarders. It is a slippery slope down to the people's committee inspecting your pantry. I had three months of food and 4 metric buttloads of ammo before this started. Hoarder or just trying to insure my tribe against pretty much this?
"Preppers" probably already had a lot of supplies. They weren't the ones depleting the stores in the last few weeks. That was the people who hadn't prepared and made panicked purchases. I was partially prepared but I loaded up on some extras in February before the stores got raided. Am I responsible for the shortages? I don't think so.
Unless and until I hear differently, I'm scheduled to start a new job on April 13 -- at a hospital! At this point, I don't know whether to hope it starts on schedule or to hope it gets deferred. I desperately need the income, but I'm very much in the high-risk population for COVID-19: I'm in my 70s, I have a heart condition, I have a long history of pneumonia, and a year ago I was hospitalized with a collapsed lung. If I were to come down with this coronavirus, I tend to think it would not be a good thing.
Protip: There's a difference between Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine phosphate. I can't help but wonder if these people were amateur preppers, as there is that big thing in the hardcore prepper community about fish antibiotics, and maybe these people thought, "same thing." Nevermind self-medicating when you're not even sick.
Of course the MSM and the left are blaming Trump, because they flunked High School chemistry. This NYT article is actually one of the less TDS reports.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/chloroquine-poisoning-coronavirus.html
A friend of mine and I were just talking about that, then I mentioned overdosing on fat soluble vitamins due to the one guy saying vitamin D will cure/prevent it.
Turns out gunshops in addition to liquor stores are exempt from the retail shutdown in Kentucky.
So the liquor stores and gun shops are open :lol:
Florida Spring breakers are testing positive for coronavirus.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-spring-break-test-positive-covid-19-college-students-not-social-distancing-university-of-tampa/
Now, whoever might have predicted that?
No one should be surprised.
(https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2020/03/19/corona-idiots-637x397.jpeg)
Some of the stuff in Pelosi's "virus relief bill".
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/24/omfg-nancy-whyyyy-hilariously-infuriating-thread-breaks-down-nancy-pelosis-coronavirus-bill-bit-by-pork-filled-bit/
. I'm surprised (as a layman) that the B vitamins don't seem to be mentioned.
Looks like stores are slowly returning to something more normal in Northern Virginia.
I stopped by Giant after I got home last night. An OK selection of meat, still not much ground turkey, but more ground beef and some more chicken.
Sliced cheese was pretty picked over but there was plenty of shredded and block cheese.
Lunch meat, sausage, and hot dogs were in OK supply.
Milk was thin, but they had half and half.
Frozen veggies were short supply, but most fresh veggies and produce, including potatoes and onions, were present.
What was odd, though, were the things that were picked over...
Ice cream, cookies and snacks, and frozen fruit were pretty much wiped out. My best guess is that we're now seeing the transition between essential supplies and comfort supplies.
The only 2 things on my list that i didn't find at all were hydrogen peroxide and disinfectant wipes. I may make some wet wipes out of paper napkins and E85 fuel (leave the gas can open overnight so the most volatile gasoline fractions, like butane, can evaporate) and store them in a ziplock freezer bag.
They went on to say the jump from a one week to a one month wait, the report said, is due to the high volume of gun purchases in the tiny state:
Fortunate there will be a ready supply of meat in the form of all of the people the Corona kills...
Please don't. Gasoline has lots of nasty stuff in it, which you don't want on your surfaces and evaporating rapidly into your living environment.
Just because you add "to be used to prepare for coronavirus" to the text of your $35 million earmark to the Kennedy Center for performing Arts doesn't make it response related.
Majority Whip James Clyburn (D., S.C.) told House Democrats last week that the bill was “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”https://www.nationalreview.com/news/taking-hostages-sasse-slams-pelosi-for-adding-liberal-wish-list-to-emergency-coronavirus-bill/
India is shut down for 21 days.
"I fear India has the potential turn into something out of a apocalypse movie."
You mean it's not already?
Could have fooled me...
"I fear India has the potential turn into something out of a apocalypse movie."
You mean it's not already?
Could have fooled me...
BREAKING: LA County Sheriff tells me he is beginning to close county gun stores immediately. Deputies are currently going to the stores one by one to order them shut down. Sheriff to utilize scofflaw violations for any gun store still open after he deemed them nonessential @FOXLA
— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) March 24, 2020
The Sheriff told me he is a gun owner himself, supports 2nd amendment, but believes too many first time buyers are panicking and bringing guns into homes where people are locked down, which he believes is recipe for disaster with potential accidental shootings. @FOXLAhttps://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/24/breaking-la-county-sheriff-now-closing-gun-stores/
— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) March 24, 2020
If you want to get the alcohol out of gasoline isn't there an easy way of doing that?
I think it involves water? Check youtoob.
I almost moved there in 2001, at the time what I was reading it didn't seem any worse then some of the southern rural areas and bonus no one goes hungry in India unless they want too. This was the start of the training Indians to do call centers and they wanted Americans to teach conversational English and American mannerisms to folks. At the time it paid 2k a month, transportation to and from India with a RT anywhere in the world during each 6 month hitch, also included a 1 bedroom apartment, meals, and a servant to cook, do laundry and clean for you. I was getting ready to sign a 6 month contract then some aholes flew a plane into some buildings.2k per month? Isn't that a bit low?
2k per month? Isn't that a bit low?
2k per month? Isn't that a bit low?
A 40th birthday bash that a Connecticut woman held earlier this month is now being eyed by health experts as a suspected coronavirus “super-spreading event” after more than half of its 50 guests later tested positive for the sickness, a report says.
A New York Times report on the gathering said its attendees left afterward for South Africa, New York City and other parts of Connecticut, while their children continued life as normal.
In an attempt to help ease the burden of the coronavirus pandemic on Americans, Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., released a plan last week for what is essentially a temporary universal basic income (UBI) that would be distributed to all individuals in the United States, including illegal immigrants, and be funded by the printing of two $1 trillion coins.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tlaib-coronavirus-debit-trillion-coins
"Hey @realdonaldTrump, let's provide relief from this crisis for people by giving pre-loaded debit cards to every person in America," Tlaib tweeted over the weekend. "No additional debt -- we'll just mint two coins."
The plan, outlined on Tlaib's website, would send a debit card with $2,000 pre-loaded on it to every person in the U.S. and reload it with $1,000 every month "until one year after the end of the Coronavirus crisis."
The plan, outlined on Tlaib's website, would send a debit card with $2,000 pre-loaded on it to every person in the U.S. and reload it with $1,000 every month "until one year after the end of the Coronavirus crisis."
Ilhan Omar
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@IlhanMN
Any rescue package must:
1) Cancel student debt
2) Fund losses for small businesses and local governments
3) Ban evictions and foreclosures
4) Ban stock buybacks and executive bonuses
We need a groundswell of support for these critical measures!
If the R's were smart (but they're not) they'd be on TV telling people that don't need the money to donate it to local charities, or even make a direct gift to an individual they see hurting from the panic. Make the check non-taxable and donations up to the amount they get (which depends on how many kids they have) deductible separate from normal deductions. I.e. If you just take the standard deduction you can add that giving to that.No, that wouldn't mean crap to R voters right now. The smart thing to do would be to not pass anything if the Dems are going to load it down with pork. We can recover from this virus stuff. The crap they want to add to the bill will screw us for years.
The media will soon spin it as the R's blocking the package over partisan pettiness. If they don't want to get pinned with that they need a huge messaging campaign about the D's wish list being counter-productive.
The Rs also have the problem of what, five senators now in isolation who are unable to vote?
The obvious solution is for them to just go to work as usual and vote... >:D
And $4 billion for museum virus response (NYC only).
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/24/to-help-keep-new-york-citys-nonprofit-museums-alive-during-covid-19-crisis-rep-jerry-nadler-asks-for-4-billion/
Just have someone show up say they're Rand Paul or whoever and start voting. Asking for an ID is voter suppression and racist right?
Well, it looks like the virus has won and this might be the end for us. Waffle House has closed.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/25/sit-just-got-real-waffle-house-closes-365-restaurants/
They've already been. The Rs were way behind the curve on this one. They should have started blasting Pelosi and Schumer forthe "partisan pettiness" on Sunday. Especially Pelosi. The bill was already in the Senate and from all appearances, she got to Schumer to kill that one before she started writing her monstrosity.R's did do that as I understand it. Unless you go to the right alternative media outlets, you don't see it.
The Rs also have the problem of what, five senators now in isolation who are unable to vote?
Edit: Oh, and we're up to I guess $6 trillion on the package that started at $1.2 trillion.
Senate passed the Stimulus Package $2,000,000,000,000I can only hope they don't pass the Senate version and the arguments last at least a few more weeks and Trump ends the lock down.
I'm still not getting Pelosi pushing to change what just got passed. The house hasn't met as a whole for more than 30 minutes and yesterdays ~30 min floor schedule didn't mention anything about the "new" stimulus package. Appropriations Committee did meet yesterday and today, is that where they started assembling this 1400+ page bill? I know Pelosi had a press release on Monday about the new 1400+ page bill. This still would have to get passed by the House and then passed by the Senate before even reaching the President's desk for signing.
Are "people" making ado about a nothing burger? Are people forgetting basic Civics?
And... now working from home for the rest of the week. Authorization finally came through.
So what’s in this two trillion we gotta pass it now bullshit bill?
I hope the Corona virus rips through the senate like a pack of lions
Well, it looks like the virus has won and this might be the end for us. Waffle House has closed.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/25/sit-just-got-real-waffle-house-closes-365-restaurants/
Maybe he'll tell Madcow to FOAD.
A class-action lawsuit filed in Florida this month seeks to "make China pay for what they've done" in its handling of the coronavirus crisis, saying the country acted "negligently in their handling of the COVID-19 outbreak."
A personal injury law firm based in Boca Raton, Fla., is bringing the suit against China and various Chinese government agencies on behalf of "individuals and business owners in the United States and State of Florida, for damages suffered as a result of the Coronavirus pandemic."
So I heard on the news this morning that congress got in an uproar because they got a big delivery (I assume from GSA) of hand sanitizer that was expired. While I would expect it to expire once the seal was broken (alcohol evaporation), I didn't think it could expire, at least for a long while, in the sealed container. I think they said these were from 2009.
"My Face Mask"
The "My Pillow" guy is now making hospital face masks. :)
Good for him. I see him on Fox Business a bit. He's big deplorable. This should irritate the left a bit. :laugh:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/25/yes-mypillow-now-making-masks-for-hospitals/
So - and I won't even say a set number because it seems to be a moving target - we're looking a trillions of dollars in virus response in the US. The UN is doing a $2 billion package for the whole world.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/un-announces-2-billion-response-package-to-fight-coronavirus
Former crack addict who recovered and hit "business gold", does seem to try to keep as much of his business operations in MN and employ local people.
Former crack addict who recovered and hit "business gold", does seem to try to keep as much of his business operations in MN and employ local people.
He rubs me the wrong way (might be simple allergy to excessive personal brand advertising) but that is genuinely good to hear.
I saw this story about the post office potentially shutting down because they are losing money due to the beer flu. How is this possible? Everyone is staying home and ordering stuff on Amazon, etc. The other guys are are trying to hire people to keep up with increased demand. I'm getting Amazon packages delivered by USPS, yet they're not seeing an increase like the other guys?
Regular mail has been declining for a long while, so that part isn't new and isn't urgent. Increased package deliveries right now should be mitigating that loss. I smell the same "virus money grab" the Kennedy Center is asking for.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/congress-needs-to-provide-funds-or-postal-service-may-shut-down-because-of-coronavirus-report
I wish they would tell all "news" pundits; left, right, middle, sideways, front ways, back ways and upside down to FOAD.
You could give the postal service a bunch of printing presses to print their own money, and they'd still find a way to lose money on their operation every year.
So - and I won't even say a set number because it seems to be a moving target - we're looking a trillions of dollars in virus response in the US. The UN is doing a $2 billion package for the whole world.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/un-announces-2-billion-response-package-to-fight-coronavirus
You could give the postal service a bunch of printing presses to print their own money, and they'd still find a way to lose money on their operation every year.
"My Face Mask"
The "My Pillow" guy is now making hospital face masks. :)
Good for him. I see him on Fox Business a bit. He's big deplorable. This should irritate the left a bit. :laugh:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/25/yes-mypillow-now-making-masks-for-hospitals/
Fairly certain it's their union/commie labor practices that cause it.
Postage is still fixed rate, way low. But labor costs are skyrocketing due to high demand. Any work over 40 hours incurs overtime pay, and hiring additional postal workers incurs additional costs not factored into the postal rates.
This is what you get when everything is subsidized.
Few in the protective equipment industry are surprised by the shortages, because they’ve been predicted for years. In 2005, the George W. Bush administration called for the coordination of domestic production and stockpiling of protective gear in preparation for pandemic influenza. In 2006, Congress approved funds to add protective gear to a national strategic stockpile — among other things, the stockpile collected 52 million surgical face masks and 104 million N95 respirator masks.
But about 100 million masks in the stockpile were deployed in 2009 in the fight against the H1N1 flu pandemic, and the government never bothered to replace them. This month, Alex Azar, secretary of health and human services, testified that there are only about 40 million masks in the stockpile — around 1 percent of the projected national need.
The inside skinny on why we don't have enough masks for healthcare workers:Sounds like replacing the stockpile was never funded.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-the-worlds-richest-country-ran-out-of-a-75-cent-face-mask/ar-BB11GgLi
My take-away from the article:
So the .gov gave out most of the stockpiled masks in 2009, and "the government" never bothered to replace them. And who was the head of "the government" from 2009 until January of 2017? Hint: it wasn't Orangemen. But he's supposed to have known -- and corrected -- what his predecessor failed to do for SEVEN YEARS.
^^^Having done it professionally in various governmental and corporate settings, I have to say that emergency/disaster preparedness really takes hind tit when it comes to funding. If you prepare and stock up and the crisis never happens, everyone says you wasted the money that could have been used for other things and this is why taxes are so high or corporate earnings are down. If the crisis happens and you weren't stocked and prepared for it, everyone says you are an idiot for not being able to persuade the decision makers to spend the money.
A $1,200 payment for each adult, and $500 per child, in households that earn up to $75,000 per year for individuals or $150,000 for couples. The assistance phases out for people who earn more. Democratic aides in the Senate said on Wednesday that eligible Americans with direct-deposit bank account information on file with the Internal Revenue Service — about 70 million people — should see their payments arrive within a few weeks of the bill being signed into law. Those who did not have such information on file and would instead be mailed a check will need to wait up to four months to receive one, the aides said.That's a LONG time for the people who actually need it.
On the pork packed financial assistance bill:That's a LONG time for the people who actually need it.The Rush substitute was also saying that is may only apply if you make less than $75K. Between 75K and 100K, you might get a check, but will have to pay it back. Over $100K you get nothing.
Seems like a good opportunity for the payday/title loan companies. =|
The Rush substitute was also saying that is may only apply if you make less than $75K. Between 75K and 100K, you might get a check, but will have to pay it back. Over $100K you get nothing.
Idaho just announced a 21 day statewide lockdown.
Oh for *expletive deleted*s sake :facepalm:Isn't it disproportionately killing men?
COVID-19 is a gendered crisis
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/25/women-hardest-hit-australian-senator-wants-to-remind-us-all-that-covid-19-is-a-gendered-crisis/
Are you gnashing your teeth and throwing stuff yet?
Doesn't affect me. Uncle Sam deposits my pension in my bank every month and all the places I go to anyway, grocery, farm store, gun store are exempt as essential services. The rest of the time I play on my farm, fish in my pond, and take pictures of geese crapping on my house. Maybe I'll throw something at the geese.
Isn't it disproportionately killing men?
And Steve? We allwantneed to know how the hobo is handling all this.
^^^Having done it professionally in various governmental and corporate settings, I have to say that emergency/disaster preparedness really takes hind tit when it comes to funding. If you prepare and stock up and the crisis never happens, everyone says you wasted the money that could have been used for other things and this is why taxes are so high or corporate earnings are down. If the crisis happens and you weren't stocked and prepared for it, everyone says you are an idiot for not being able to persuade the decision makers to spend the money.
On the pork packed financial assistance bill:That's a LONG time for the people who actually need it.
Seems like a good opportunity for the payday/title loan companies. =|
Bernie Sanders said Wednesday afternoon he might torpedo the Senate's compromise stimulus package unless Republican senators dropped their objections about what they called a "massive drafting error" related to unemployment benefits, in the latest twist to a process that has been marked by delays and last-minute hurdles.
The concern from Sens. Lindsey Graham, Tim Scott, R-S.C., Ben Sasse, R-Neb., and Rick Scott, R-Fla., is that the current version of the bill could pay workers more in unemployment benefits than they're currently making, by sticking a $600 per week payment on top of ordinary benefits that are calculated as a percentage of income. This could disrupt the labor market further, the lawmakers warn.
Looks like Bernie is holding things up
Coronavirus bill hits hurdles as Sanders threatens to stall package over bid to change unemployment aid
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-threatens-to-stall-coronavirus-package-over-gop-bid-to-change-unemployment-aid
Yeah, he apparently wants people to get bigger unemployment checks than they do checks from their work. Jackass.
Isn't it disproportionately killing men?
I saw by a two to one margin. That's pretty significant.So women are losing both their jobs and their sons/husbands/fathers.
So women are losing both their jobs and their sons/husbands/fathers.
Proof that they are being disproportionately impacted.
So women are losing both their jobs and their sons/husbands/fathers.
Proof that they are being disproportionately impacted.
He's more concerned about the geese than the virus. :laugh:
Somehow the little bastard caught a snow goose and ate it last week, while I never got a shot off. Steve-1, Ben-0.
Isn't pretty much the same logic one of the female congress critters use when they said women suffered more than men in WW-I?
During these layoffs and temporary work stoppages remember that a man is losing $1 for every $0.79 a woman loses.
When and how are payments made?
Payments, according to the bill, will be made “as rapidly as possible” and no later than Dec. 31, 2020. They will be made via direct deposit to an account that the person has authorized for tax refunds or federal payments on or after Jan. 1, 2018.
Notice will be sent to the person’s last known address within 15 days of payment informing them of the method and amount of payment. A phone number will also be provided so people can call the IRS in the event they did not receive it.
So all that talk about how masks are ineffective?
My agency is going to have our facility test run working with masks to see if it affects voice quality etc.
I wonder if we'll, in the short term once this calms down, see any kind of real estate movement of people selling out in big cities and moving to lower density suburban or rural locations? I'm not talking about the boonies necessarily, but from say, NYC to "50K population, USA".
Looks like Bernie is holding things up
Coronavirus bill hits hurdles as Sanders threatens to stall package over bid to change unemployment aid
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-threatens-to-stall-coronavirus-package-over-gop-bid-to-change-unemployment-aid
Then, late Wednesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said unanimous consent was a nonstarter in the House, and implied that quick passage in the lower chamber may be unrealistic. Pelosi has called for members to have at least 24 hours to review the bill text once it's available.
“That’s not gonna work," she told reporters shortly after 7:30 p.m. ET, referring to unanimous consent. "Republicans have told us that’s not possible from their said. ... What I’d like to see -- because this a $2 trillion bill -- I’d like to see a good debate on the floor."
One thing we should see, but I don't know if we will, is a move towards working from home.
You mean, accelerate what's already happening? This is in full force already everywhere I have lived. In Raleigh, it was hoards of yellow NY license plates. In Dallas it was hoards of Californians and in Boise it's swarms of Californians and PNWers.
Granted, but most of that is people fleeing because of policies, taxes, etc. I may read way too many zombie apocalypse books, but was thinking along the lines of people afraid that they might be trapped in the big city during a disaster, pandemic, etc.
I live in a town on 25k, we have the same problems too. Hospital is usually pretty full even during a non panic. Getting a new GP DR or Dentist to see you will be at least a 3 month wait for "non emergency" type things, right now if it's nor Covid-19 or Flu, you're not getting in.
Our town was out of TP, paper towels, Bleach, wipes and water in less than 24hrs after the panic began.
How's your town on crime, riots, and looting during disasters? :)
Right... anyone actually believe that *expletive deleted*it?
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I don't believe China's numbers. I bet it was 2-3x what they claimed. And I bet they had more deaths they didn't test and just burned.
Apparently people are celebrating Mardi Gras in New Orleans?!? I read this morning it might be the next epicenter for spread.
Also, a good thing about the response to the virus is that it kinda shows us what are necessary government functions and what are not. EPA is suspending much of its regulation and reporting enforcement.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/epa-temporarily-stops-enforcement-of-environmental-laws-amid-coronavirus
Apparently people are celebrating Mardi Gras in New Orleans?!? I read this morning it might be the next epicenter for spread.
Mardi Gras was over a month ago, before anybody knew about this. Was Coronovirus even here in late Februrary? OTOH, maybe foreign tourists to New Orleans brought it here -- but if that was the case I'd expect a different pattern to the explosion of cases.
Mardi Gras was over a month ago, before anybody knew about this. Was Coronovirus even here in late Februrary? OTOH, maybe foreign tourists to New Orleans brought it here -- but if that was the case I'd expect a different pattern to the explosion of cases.
Yes, it was.
Mardi Gras certainly contributed to the spread in Louisana. New Orleans is about to be a *expletive deleted*it show.
Maybe, but then wouldn't it have blown-up 2 weeks ago instead of starting now? I think we mostly dodged a bullet with Mardi Gras.Maybe not cleaning up the collapsed Hard Rock Hotel was a good luck charm. =)
How many of those countries haven't tested anyone?
Yeah somehow India is reporting a really low case count. I think in the end, we'll see India emerge as a humanitarian crisis from cases and deaths.
Heard a report last night that the country wide mask shortage goes directly back to H1N1 and the Obama administration.
They apparently used a bunch of them up but never replaced the gubmint stockpiles.
More than 300 people have died and a further 1,000 have fallen ill in Iran after consuming methanol in the belief that it will protect them against the coronavirus, according to local media.
Will we really be able to see much of a difference from business as usual?
India isn't the sh-thole everyone thinks it is. Don't confuse India with Bangladesh and Pakistan.
Heard a report last night that the country wide mask shortage goes directly back to H1N1 and the Obama administration.
They apparently used a bunch of them up but never replaced the gubmint stockpiles.
What the heck???
Please tell me this is a joke, faked, or something
‘Embarrassing’: Tisch School of the Arts Dean denies students a coronavirus refund with bizarre video of herself dancing (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/27/embarrassing-tisch-school-of-the-arts-dean-denies-students-a-coronavirus-refund-with-bizarre-video-of-herself-dancing-watch/
https://twitter.com/michale_price/status/1241939725121921025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
More news out of Iran
They say the numbers could be much higher
Hundreds dead in Iran after consuming methanol thinking it was coronavirus protection
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-dead-iran-methanol-coronavirus-protection
Iran:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-dead-iran-methanol-coronavirus-protection
In the meantime, the usual progressives in the MSM and Hollywood are almost gleeful about, "The US has more reported cases than anyone" without considering the big ramp up in testing. There's no way we have more actual cases than China. I'm not into the "tens of millions of dead" scenario, but come on, man - it's China.
They are also not putting the numbers in perspective. Italy has a population of about 60 million total with a land mass about 3/4 the size of the state of California. they are packed in pretty tight. California has a population of about 40 million spread out over a larger area.
I'd really like to see comparisons based on population and land mass.
Not everyone lives in an NYC high-rise packed with people.
Not everyone lives in an NYC high-rise packed with people.
Not everyone lives in an NYC high-rise packed with people.
I'm of the opinion that big city libtards are just way to stupid to grasp that concept.
I'm actually curious what the % of the US population lives in high to medium density housing vs. individual houses/trailers/duplexes.
Technically the last three you mentioned can all be high density, depending on location. In coastal CA, most all of that is alt least medium density. Some, from pre WW2 construction, and some from new construction.
based on tracking cell phone locations (a whole nother rant topic)
Cell phone tracking has been a huge component in the most successful containment efforts. Once testing is caught up here I suspect that we will see more of it and unfortunately I think people will be so panicked they won't complain.
I mean, they don't complain now. Most smart phone users are tracked by Google and don't know, don't care (I don't know how Apple does things?) because of the great convenience, and admittedly, I do that too, though I'm getting better at turning off location services that auto-run for no damn reason. I wouldn't be surprised if much of the tracking data for that study was handed to them by Google.
It’s funny how Dems have gone from “we’re not going to do what Trump wants” to “we didn’t do that because Trump didn’t tell us to” in record time.
And Mardi Gras will be Trump's fault. New Orleans always picks the worst *expletive deleted*ing mayors in the country. Every one of them is adoublesingle digit IQ moron.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/27/unreal-new-orleans-mayor-blames-trump-for-mardi-gras-not-being-canceled-who-wants-to-tell-her/
The third world
…is in really deep trouble, isn’t it?
The numbers say it isn’t. Less developed countries are doing fine. Nigeria only has 65 cases. Ethiopia, 12 cases. Sudan only has three!
But they probably just aren’t testing enough. San Diego has 337 diagnosed cases right now. The equally-sized Mexican city of Tijuana, so close by that San Diegans and Tijuanans play volleyball over the border fence, has 10. If we assume that the real numbers are more similar (can we assume this?), then Mexico is undercounting by a factor of 30 relative to the US, which is itself undercounting by a factor of 10 or so. This would suggest Mexico has the same number of cases as eg Britain, which doesn’t seem so far off to me (Mexico has twice as many people).
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Nigeria and Mexico and so on make me confused in the same way as Japan – why aren’t they already so bad that they can’t hide it? If the very poorest countries in sub-Saharan Africa were suffering a full-scale coronavirus epidemic, would we definitely know? In Liberia, only 3% of people are aged above 65 (in the US, it’s 16%). It only has one doctor per 100,000 people (in the US, it’s one per 400) – what does “hospital overcrowding” even mean in a situation like that? I don’t think a full-scale epidemic could stay completely hidden forever, but maybe it could be harder to notice we would naively expect.
https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/27/coronalinks-3-27-20/
Lots of good info here, but brings up some anomalies for us, to whit:
Prior to this excerpt, he also goes into how Japan has basically done nothing (still crowded trains going into work, for instance) and they aren't collapsing.
Food for thought.
They bow, rather than shake hands, have a lot of personal space, aren't very touchy-feely, etc. And they're used to wearing masks if they're sick, in order to prevent spreading it to others. They're fastidiously neat as well, and wash their hands frequently. I've never been there, this is information I've heard from someone living there as an explanation for the low incidences of covid.
From what I understand, the Japanese already practice what we would call social distancing. They bow, rather than shake hands, have a lot of personal space, aren't very touchy-feely, etc. And they're used to wearing masks if they're sick, in order to prevent spreading it to others. They're fastidiously neat as well, and wash their hands frequently. I've never been there, this is information I've heard from someone living there as an explanation for the low incidences of covid.
That was not my experience when I visited. The rest, yes, but it was pretty crowded to my (US) sensibilities. I think we have some members that have spent more time there than I that could chime in.
Also never been, but from pictures I see of their trains and stuff, seems like a lot of their public transport gets pretty cozy.
Trump orders GM to prioritize ventilators over cars.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/27/breaking-trump-invokes-dpa-orders-gm-to-start-making-ventilators/
In this case I'm kinda fine with the gov interference, given all our tax money that went to GM for their bailout while Ford took care of themselves. Also, while only alluded to in the article, it kinda looks like GM wanted to gouge some extra dough out of the deal during the standard negotiations.
In regards to third world countries:
Some of them are pretty far off the regularly beaten track. It may take awhile for the virus to get there.
Poor people outside of cities would have pretty limited contact with the outside world.
There is going to be not just lack of testing, but lack of medical care available. Many will die in their homes, be buried and the details not hit what passes for a system for awhile.
I doubt we will know the impact in some places until long after this is over and even then, some details are going to be fuzzy.
March 10: Kyiv Mayor Klitschko posts pic of coronavirus tests that arrived in Ukraine, promising more to come.
Turns out the tests are Chinese-made Bioeasy, the same company Spain found to be only 30% accurate and sent back to China. pic.twitter.com/MLfZgA2CZK
— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) March 27, 2020
China reportedly sold Spain 640,000 COVID-19 test kits that don't work https://t.co/D6FouM97dBhttps://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/27/add-ukraine-to-the-list-of-countries-that-received-the-piece-of-crap-covid-19-tests-from-china/
— Twitchy Team (@TwitchyTeam) March 26, 2020
Made in China
Wonder if they were using the same test kits in China?
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/27/add-ukraine-to-the-list-of-countries-that-received-the-piece-of-crap-covid-19-tests-from-china/
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/03/china-movie-theaters-shut-down-coronavirus-1202220888/
Hmmmm....
A little humor in the time of the virus. :rofl:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1243615256661934080
If they're anything like the local Walmart, that's gone too.
And I've used that stuff. Single ply at best. Ended up using 2x the normal amount.
Menards carries one and two ply. Haven't actually tried it yet.The RV/Marine stuff is designed to minimize clogs by breaking down fast when it gets wet. Really fast. Break-through can be an issue. :laugh:
We have not left the house since Tuesday, but the local FB pages are saying that TP is generally back in stock now.
and there's none out in the boondocks, either. It's gettin ridonkulous.
We have not left the house since Tuesday, but the local FB pages are saying that TP is generally back in stock now.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/global-condom-shortage-looking-likely-after-worlds-biggest-producer-shuts-down-over-coronavirus
Hmm . . . couples forced to stay home . . . lots of free time . . . shortage of condoms . . .
Another missed apocalypse investment opportunity.So invest in Gerber and Pampers because they are going to have a good 4th Quarter.
Hum... Looks like Walmart stores are now closing at 8:30 p.m. No more 24 hour for the time being for my local store. I think I'll go tomorrow morning early; they open at 7 a.m.
Most stores seem to be doing that.
They made an national announcement a few weeks ago that all stores will be doing this.
President Donald Trump said Saturday that he’s considering placing a short-term quarantine on New York, New Jersey and certain parts of Connecticut as the coronavirus outbreak continues to spread.
Headline article from Drudge: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html
“Yesterday I announced and today I reiterated: Anyone coming to Rhode Island in any way from New York must be quarantined,” the governor said. “By order. Will be enforced. Enforceable by law.”
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The local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union blasted the new rules, objecting to the collection of motorists’ contact information in particular.
Wonder if the current lull will continue until we get the next round of infected, and then get completely stupid.I was wondering about people getting complacent during a lull.
I'm finding the same interesting thing here. City stores seem to be getting TP in, but the rural grocery stores I go to are stil out of tp, while being much better stocked on most other things. I would have thought rural populations would naturally have a bit more of that stuff stored at home for whatever.
Though I read in the local paper that many rural areas are complaining about city slickers both coming to their areas to "get away from the virus" and to hit the much, much smaller grocery stores for supplies the city stores are out of. Sort of what we (and many books, both fiction and non-fiction) often talk about as one result of a SHTF scenario.City dwellers leave for the boonies because they somehow think they're "living off the land", not recognizing people are already there and maybe not happy about an invading hoard.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article241524721.html
Who isn't at war with New Rochelle...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/governor-cuomo-trump-quarantining-new-york-to-stop-coronavirus-is-declaration-of-war-on-new-york
That seems odd, coming from someone that quarantined his whole state. Is he at war with New Rochelle?
Later in the interview, CNN’s Ana Cabrera asked Cuomo, “What’s the status when it comes to ventilators in New York state? Because I know that’s been one of the big issues of concern for you.”
Cuomo responded, “Well, the ventilators which by the way, before this situation nobody really gave a second thought to ventilators, what has happened, one of the peculiar situations with this disease it’s a respiratory disease, it effects the lungs very badly and people who are acutely ill with the virus they all need a ventilator and they’re on these ventilators much longer than most people are on ventilators with other diseases.”
“So you have more people needing ventilators, and they’re on them longer, which increases the need for the ventilators. And everybody is trying to get ventilators,” Cuomo continued. “You have 50 states bidding against each other for ventilators. You have 50 states competing with the federal government to buy ventilators. You have countries around the world trying to get ventilators. So we’re trying to do the best we can. We’re acquiring as many as we can. There’s a new technology that we’re using that splits, they call it splitting, where one ventilator can do two people. We are implementing that procedure across the state, and we’re doing the best we can to move people that need the ventilators to places that have the ventilators. But that’s one of the great logistical problems with this entire situation.”
One of the IL deaths yesterday was an infant.
Notable because the exception proves the rule.
To a degree. One point I've made all along, though, is being American is pretty much a preexisting condition. America's health is trash. 40% obesity. 30% high blood pressure. 30% of the population is diabetic or prediabetic.
30 million have asthma. 1/3 of the population is over 50.
Red and Blue America Agree That Now Is the Time to Violate the Constitution
People of both parties seem rather okay with undermining core civil liberties in order to fight the pandemic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-america-constitution/608665/
Funny how there is has been such little resistance to these unconstitutional power grabs.
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A group of armed vigilantes cut down a tree and dragged it across a man’s driveway in Maine to force him to quarantine in his home amid fears he could be infected with the coronavirus, officials said.https://www.foxnews.com/us/maine-coronavirus-armed-vigilantes-chop-down-tree-block-driveway-force-neighbor-quarantine
A man residing on Cripple Creek Road in Vinalhaven, an island off the coast of Maine, called authorities around 3:35 p.m. Friday to report a group of people with guns had cut down a large tree and dragged it in front of his driveway, blocking access to the main road.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-america-constitution/608665/
Funny how there is has been such little resistance to these unconstitutional power grabs.
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How long before panicky people start shooting people? I fear it may just take a little nudge with some people which will fuel a stronger dem and rino push for gun confiscationSince when does "self-quarantine" mean you have to remain in your house and never go outside?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/maine-coronavirus-armed-vigilantes-chop-down-tree-block-driveway-force-neighbor-quarantine
Since when does "self-quarantine" mean you have to remain in your house and never go outside?
Since now, apparently.On the other hand, they are from New Jersey. Maybe they were treating them that way for years.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8165415/Armed-vigilantes-cut-tree-use-roadblock-quarantine-workers-New-Jersey.html
Notice: The article doesn't like my ad blocker. It may not like yours, if you have one.
To a degree. One point I've made all along, though, is being American is pretty much a preexisting condition. America's health is trash. 40% obesity. 30% high blood pressure. 30% of the population is diabetic or prediabetic.
30 million have asthma. 1/3 of the population is over 50.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-america-constitution/608665/
Funny how there is has been such little resistance to these unconstitutional power grabs.
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I stopped by Kroger yesterday.
Either people are actually social distancing, or Sunday afternoon is the time to go to Kroger. It wasn't a ghost town, but I had no problem keeping 6 feet away from other shoppers.
Didn't check toilet paper (we still have plenty), but the meat section was not fully stocked, but had plenty of selection (including chicken!). Milk and eggs looked to be normal amounts.
Lots of fresh veggies and onions and potatoes available. Beans and rice were pretty picked over, still. Looks like things are approaching normal, at least, but not quite back yet.
Maryland just issued a lock down order starting at 8 p.m. tonight.
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No, that's not right, it's a stay at home order. Still allowed to go out for things like exercise and of course the essentials.
VA did as well today.
VA did as well today.
I listened to the announcement.I think part of the reasoning is the stupid people came from somewhere, and went home somewhere, so such a small area being under such an order doesn't have as much effect.
IFF the governor is telling the truth that the beaches were packed over the weekend (and, despite him being a liar about many things, this is one I believe) I can understand the order.
HOWEVER, it once again illustrates the need to approach different areas with different policies. I'm fairly certain that, for example, (checks map) Bath County has no need to have shelter in place because the beaches were packed.
I fully believe people made stupid decisions. It also illustrates the principle that those who will not govern themselves (morals/values, etc...) will find the law stepping in to govern them.
DHS has sent out an advisory recommending that gun stores remain open. I don't think we would have seen that under Obama.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-guidelines-advise-states-to-let-gun-stores-stay-open-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
State law in Ky. Can the feds override that?
State law in Ky. Can the feds override that?
See what Iowa does today at 230pm when the governor has her daily press conference.
I am ready if the toilet paper runs out.
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Ahem --- There are times when a scraper is necessary. Does this device come with one? :old:
Woody
Ahem --- There are times when a scraper is necessary. Does this device come with one? :old:For me, there is a shower nearby if it gets that bad.
Woody
Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner made a televised plea to Houston’s criminal population to just chill and take a break from committing crimes until after the COVID-19 crisis had passed.https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/30/houstons-mayor-tells-criminals-to-chill-until-the-coronavirus-outbreak-is-contained-and-then-go-back-to-crime/
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/30/houstons-mayor-tells-criminals-to-chill-until-the-coronavirus-outbreak-is-contained-and-then-go-back-to-crime/
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Muslim Sal @Muslim_Sal_G:rofl:
Replying to @stclairashley
I was actually being beaten and sodomized when the mayor's announcement came on. When he heard it, my attacker stopped, took a step back, and smiled at me. We just looked at each other and said "chill" then went our separate ways. Later he sent me a friend request on Facebook.
Greg Abbott
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Today I issued an Executive Order preventing the@release of dangerous criminals from prisons & jails.
We want to prevent the spread of #COVID19 among prison staff & inmates.
But, releasing dangerous criminals in the streets is not the solution.
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Rachel Maddow said that it was “nonsense” that a naval hospital ship would “be operational in New York Harbor by next week.”
Today, the naval hospital ship USNS Comfort docked in New York City.
Houston just reelected that guy last fall. Had a pretty good challenger. I feel sorry for the people who were smart enough to vote for the challenger. I hope the others get what they asked for.
According to a message I just got from my county supervisor, one of the ways that I can volunteer during this crisis is to:A few suggestions-
Chalk your Driveway or Sidewalk
Write positive, uplifting messages in chalk on your driveway or sidewalk.
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"whether we could shower now or whether we had to just keep washing our hands."
For real?
Jesus Christ, with people that stupid how has the human race survived self extinction?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a poor attempt at a joke.
Shower vs hand washing sounds like a troll/sarcastic to me.
Yeah, I wish I were that positive. But after hearing some of the reports about the *expletive deleted*it that people are doing... not so much.
Interesting USA Today story.I have seen that said before. I have also heard others say the opposite. Everyone is repeating all sorts of stuff.
The China Virus is not a fast mutator.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/27/scientists-track-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002/
I have seen that said before. I have also heard others say the opposite. Everyone is repeating all sorts of stuff.
Supposedly the woman who assaulted the elderly lady was in her 30s and has had multiple run ins with the law for a variety of rather heavy stuff. Just the kind of person you wonder why is out in society.
I blame the politicians for cutting funding for the metal hospitals.
Were they better than the concrete ones of today?
(Politicians weren't the only ones. There was also a strong lobby effort to "humanize" the insane and stop forcing them into institutions, which lead to the defunding...)
I blame the politicians for cutting funding for the metal hospitals.
Were they better than the concrete ones of today?
(Politicians weren't the only ones. There was also a strong lobby effort to "humanize" the insane and stop forcing them into institutions, which lead to the defunding...)
Hey, tangent subject: What do you guys think the virus will do for wait times for NFA stuff? I have two stinkin' suppressors in jail right now.
In Iowa it was political, mental hospitals are expensive to run and the current party in charge and their funding sources are moving to cut, cut, cut taxes, so things got to go.I know you like repeating the "we're just not taxed enough!", and "things would be so much better if those darn politicians would just tax us more!" lines, but ...
After 14 days — the outermost period at which symptoms are believed to emerge post-infection — doctors at area hospitals are now reporting fewer cases than they expected to see at this point, and officials credit the lockdown with stemming the tide of patients they feared would flood into emergency rooms.
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Because testing remains uneven, it's difficult to draw broad comparisons between regions. A few weeks ago, America's most populous state drew the nation's greatest concern after community spread was detected here first. But California now has fewer total deaths than five other U.S. states, according to the Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center. And on a per capita basis, 13 states had a higher death rate Monday.
I must say that I would not have predicted the bay area to be doing relatively well at this point.
I know you like repeating the "we're just not taxed enough!", and "things would be so much better if those darn politicians would just tax us more!" lines, but ...
https://i.imgur.com/2kR8DUV.png
https://i.imgur.com/6UkujWe.png
Sorry, I flipped the colors between charts, but the labels are correct. I don't think the dollars are inflation adjusted, but even when you adjust for inflation the trend is definitely up, up, up not cut, cut, cut.
https://usafacts.org/data/topics/government-finances/spending/?state=19
I must say that I would not have predicted the bay area to be doing relatively well at this point.
Those charts are faulty because goods and services cost more than what in 1983 then why they do in 2016. Households also make more money then what they did in 1983.Yes, that's called inflation, which I already addressed but I'd be happy to do so more explicitly. From what I could find, inflation from 1983 to 2016 is something like an average of 3% a year or 191% total. Add in the original amount and you're looking at essentially tripling the 1983 amount to achieve a rough equivalence with the 2016 amount. So if state revenue per person were $1,673.88 in 1983 then in 2016 you'd expect it to be something like $5,021.64.
I wish they wouldn't cut taxes because a tax cut in one area, is usually a bigger tax increase in another. Cut property taxes and there is a local sales tax increase to pay for what property taxes paid for, etc.Which is it? You don't want the government to cut taxes at all because you want higher taxes to pay for more services (reference your "cut, cut, cut" statement), or you don't want them to play the stupid shell game where they change where they're taxing you because they end up taxing you more? Those positions seem to be at odds with each other.
Iowa also has 3.1 million people, not a huge tax base so one should expect taxes to be higher than a smaller sized state with more residents.???
State | Population | Total tax revenue per person | State and local tax revenue per person |
California | 39,512,223 | $18,366.02 | $11,499.58 |
Connecticut | 3,565,287 | $24,789.57 | $9,817.97 |
Utah | 3,205,958 | $12,037.01 | $6,810.39 |
Iowa | 3,155,070 | $15,776.97 | $8,848.79 |
Nevada | 3,080,156 | $15,282.68 | $7,906.74 |
Arkansas | 3,017,825 | $13,259.35 | $6,840.93 |
Wyoming | 578,759 | $18,504.61 | $10,230.39 |
Yes, that's called inflation, which I already addressed but I'd be happy to do so more explicitly. From what I could find, inflation from 1983 to 2016 is something like an average of 3% a year or 191% total. Add in the original amount and you're looking at essentially tripling the 1983 amount to achieve a rough equivalence with the 2016 amount. So if state revenue per person were $1,673.88 in 1983 then in 2016 you'd expect it to be something like $5,021.64.
Instead we see $7,912.32. But even if all the increase were straight inflation and not actual increase in government budget, I'm still not seeing the "cut, cut, cut" when it comes either to taxation or to spending, which was - if I'm not misunderstanding you - your original claim that Republicans and "their funding sources" were pushing to the presumed detriment of your state.
Which is it? You don't want the government to cut taxes at all because you want higher taxes to pay for more services (reference your "cut, cut, cut" statement), or you don't want them to play the stupid shell game where they change where they're taxing you because they end up taxing you more? Those positions seem to be at odds with each other.
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That's an interesting story, and maybe there is even some truth in it somewhere, but I don't think population (or population density, or whatever it was you were implying) is the defining factor for the overall cost of government per person. I pulled the stats for the largest state, the smallest state, and all the ones around Iowa and put them below if you are curious to put numbers to your idea. I'm not seeing any indication of any sort of clear relationship there.
I've seen you push the "Our state government is too small and it is wrong for the Republicans to cut taxes!" line a number of times before, and while I do appreciate you challenging the baseline on this forum, upon actually looking at the numbers it seems to me that you are arguing from false ideological assumptions instead of facts.
Population vs taxation per person.
State Population Total tax revenue per person State and local tax revenue per person California 39,512,223 $18,366.02 $11,499.58 Connecticut 3,565,287 $24,789.57 $9,817.97 Utah 3,205,958 $12,037.01 $6,810.39 Iowa 3,155,070 $15,776.97 $8,848.79 Nevada 3,080,156 $15,282.68 $7,906.74 Arkansas 3,017,825 $13,259.35 $6,840.93 Wyoming 578,759 $18,504.61 $10,230.39
I must say that I would not have predicted the bay area to be doing relatively well at this point.Californians seem to have taken the social distancing seriously early on.
Ok Google warrior! One thing you don't live here, I do.
GOP is in charge in the legislative and gov office (since 2016) and by law they have cut income and property taxes, you can research that. If you chart says the revenue is coming in is going up, where the *expletive deleted*ck is the new money coming from and why the *expletive deleted*ck are they ending or cutting programs and services if this revenue is increasing??
Ok Google warrior!:laugh:
If you chart says the revenue is coming in is going up, where the *expletive deleted*ck is the new money coming from and why the *expletive deleted*ck are they ending or cutting programs and services if this revenue is increasing??What programs specifically are you upset about?
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Wow. The Theodore Roosevelt is being evacuated. The beer virus took out one of our warships.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/01/pearl-harbor-2-u-s-navy-orders-evacuation-and-quarantine-of-most-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-members/
Wow. The Theodore Roosevelt is being evacuated. The beer virus took out one of our warships.So when they say they will quarantine the crew, couldn't they just send them out to sea?
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/01/pearl-harbor-2-u-s-navy-orders-evacuation-and-quarantine-of-most-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-members/
Just last night I was wondering how they would deal with a outbreak on a carrier.
According to all the virus apocalypse fiction I read, it always seems to be a binary thing. Either they're the only ones not infected, or they become a floating zombie city. When I lived on the coast, my fantasy escape plan was to grab the keys to one of the boats at work and go hide out at the islands. :lol:Sort of like people who imagine they will go out to the "woods" and live off the land. I think it will be sort of crowded.
Sort of like people who imagine they will go out to the "woods" and live off the land. I think it will be sort of crowded.
Sort of like people who imagine they will go out to the "woods" and live off the land. I think it will be sort of crowded.
So when they say they will quarantine the crew, couldn't they just send them out to sea?
The entire crew is likely already exposed and/or carrying the virus if not sick.
Apparently our mayor wants us to replace our pouch lights with green bulbs and go outside and bang pots and pans at 19:00 every evening. Sigh.
Is residency a requirement to discuss the political and economic conditions occurring in a particular place? :P
Now that's a good question, which hopefully cordex can find an answer to.
If income and property taxes have been cut, and spending per person is going up, where's the money coming from? Or, has the population decreased? Have real wages increased?
If the state is ending or cutting programs and services, but spending per person is going up, where is that money being spent? ???
Russia is sending a plane filled with medical equipment to the United States to help fight the coronavirus following a phone conversation between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-sending-plane-filled-with-medical-equipment-to-u-s-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
Apparently our mayor wants us to replace our pouch lights with green bulbs and go outside and bang pots and pans at 19:00 every evening. Sigh.
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What programs specifically are you upset about?
Apparently our mayor wants us to replace our pouch lights with green bulbs and go outside and bang pots and pans at 19:00 every evening. Sigh.
OK.... so I guess everyone has a green porch light bulb that they can plug in...
If not, they can run down to the local store -- all at once -- to grab a green bulb off the shelf. Who cares if they violate social distancing? That green bulb is IMPORTANT!
I've heard of some stupid *expletive deleted*it, but that may be the... no, banging on the pots and pans is the stupidest. Unless that somehow scares the virus off.
What city is this? I'd love to see how the local papers are spinning it.
Mayor Fischer invited people to join their neighbors and participate in Stand in Solidarity, starting at 7 p.m. today. All are encouraged to stand outside their homes and ring bells, bang pots and pans together, or otherwise make noise each Sunday evening.https://louisvilleky.gov/news/mayor-announces-extension-louisville-metro-occupational-tax-filing-payment-deadlines
.... what? To scare off the evil spirits of the corona?
“We need to scare away the virus,” Fischer said, adding that he hopes residents will continue to trend every night at 7 p.m.https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/23/mayor-fischer-says-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-jefferson-county/
Apparently yes
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/23/mayor-fischer-says-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-jefferson-county/
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So I just heard on the radio that because of the virus, 200K less people are crossing the Southern border. I'll be interested to see if numbers stay lower, at least for a time, after this is over. Seems like their might be a lot of citizens looking for work.
I was wondering that with all these restaurants that are closed to dine in traffic, need less kitchen staff.
"and tiki torches to represent Bunsen burners too."
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wants you to know that that's racist!
Not necessarily. Diamond Princess had over 3,000 passengers. 900 ended up positive. It would have been much lower had they allowed it to dock and isolated the sick, quarantined the rest sooner.
BREAKING: China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report https://t.co/5tdbtMT158 pic.twitter.com/vjtNw174SNhttps://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/01/guys-bloomberg-has-some-breaking-news-on-china-that-you-just-wont-believe/
— Bloomberg (@business) April 1, 2020
Turns out green is the color of "compassion".
Somebody better tell the army.
FL on lockdown
And all of Pennsylvania is now on a stay at home order.
They were doing it county by county before, but a couple of hours ago extended it to the whole state.
The France-based group said Tuesday that the autocratic ex-Soviet nation made sure the word also was removed from health information brochures distributed in schools, hospitals and workplaces.
It would appear the dems are trying to cook up another impeachment over this.
Trump did a bad job initially but what in holy *expletive deleted*ck is a high crime and misdemeanor about mismanagement of a pending crisis?
A county in central China has reportedly gone into a mid-sized lockdown amid fears of a second coronavirus wave as Beijing is trying to emerge from the deadly outbreak and revive its economy.
Roughly 600,000 residents near the city of Pingdingshan in Jia County were told to stay home as curfew measures went into effect Tuesday. The county is located in the Henan province, some 500 miles south of Beijing and just north of the Hubei province where the pandemic originated in December 2019.
This pandemic is exposing structural racism in our country. Regions with past and present inequities in employment, wages, health care, and housing are being hit hard.https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/01/rep-rashida-tlaib-reminds-us-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-exposing-structural-racism-in-the-us/
— Rashida Tlaib (@RashidaTlaib) April 1, 2020
Can the Stupid Fairy please take a day off?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/01/rep-rashida-tlaib-reminds-us-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-exposing-structural-racism-in-the-us/
I had a math teacher in high school whom I absolutely despised (and she, in turn, hated me equally).
She looked, and sounded, a lot like Beaker.
So that's what I called her.
Matter of fact, here's an article from the local newspaper with her picture at the bottom...
https://www.pennlive.com/midstate/2013/04/susquenita_high_school_reunite.html
No kidding. I'm also getting tired of "conservatives aren't self-isolating like us smarter liberals". I had to read a story in my local rag where they were talking about how good Boise was about it (via cellphone tracking) and how bad us hicks in the rural areas were, and of course Boise is all hip and liberal, so that's why.
Nothing at all to do with crowds and having a neighbor with a shared wall or with their house 10' from yours. Conservative me would be locking myself in the house if I lived in a densely populated city. If they had room to roam, don't tell me progressives would still stay inside their homes.
Okay, here's something I heard on the news this morning, and if it's true, it's infuriating: We have NOT topped off the strategic oil reserves yet. I thought this was a done deal already?!? According to the report, the money to do it was supposed to be in the recently passed stimulus package, but dems nixed it and Rs folded, because "it would enrich the oil companies".
Are you *expletive deleted*ing kidding me?!?!?!? Oil is at the cheapest point in forever, and the strategic oil reserves are, well, STRATEGIC, and we have to remove that money from the stimulus package to fund crap like the Kennedy Center?!? If this is true, I'm livid.
Pelosi is pushing her next free stuff bill, which includes eliminating SALT. I know the Rs will end up folding on that to keep important stuff in the bill from being held up. They had better put money for the strategic reserves in this one, and not budge if they're giving Pelosi's base free dough.
R's folded because they only give a *expletive deleted*ck about business cronies.
I thought the oil companies were supposed to be the R's business cronies?
At that price per barrel, they're not doing the oil companies any favors.
On a tangent, I thought the President could do this without asking for a "by your leave" from anyone? There's other important stuff we have to keep up with, even if the virus has focused our resources and attention. The strategic reserves are part of that.https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/us-aims-to-lease-space-in-emergency-oil-stockpile-after-buying-plan-canceled-sources-say.html
R's folded because they only give a *expletive deleted*ck about business cronies.While that is true, I think they caved because they weren't willing to walk away from the deal and pass nothing. They always fall into that trap and the Dems know it.
If we pretend for a second that this isn't a bioweapon:
The original story was this hit humans by eating animals that had been infected. That would seem to indicate that animals can carry a virus load that could infect people. I fail to see how something like saliva or snot from a living pet is going to be very different then fluids from a dead animal as far as viable viri in it. I am not, however, a virologist.
If we pretend for a second that this isn't a bioweapon:
The original story was this hit humans by eating animals that had been infected. That would seem to indicate that animals can carry a virus load that could infect people. I fail to see how something like saliva or snot from a living pet is going to be very different then fluids from a dead animal as far as viable viri in it. I am not, however, a virologist.
If we pretend for a second that this isn't a bioweapon:
The original story was this hit humans by eating animals that had been infected. That would seem to indicate that animals can carry a virus load that could infect people. I fail to see how something like saliva or snot from a living pet is going to be very different then fluids from a dead animal as far as viable viri in it. I am not, however, a virologist.
WOW: Japanese official blasts China, says the WHO should be renamed the CHO -- China Health Organization, given the Chinese Communist Party's role in covering up the #coronavirus outbreak: pic.twitter.com/www1S2nRUu
— John Cooper (@thejcoop) April 1, 2020
I think a real bioweapon would spread faster and have a much higher hospitalization rate. There are at least 7 known human coronaviruses.
I think that's true if it is a tested and deployed bioweapon. If it is an accidental release of an experimental sample, maybe yes, maybe no. I'm not saying it is or isn't a bioweapon, but if it were, say in the early stages of development and accidentally got released, it might not be as "fully cooked" as they say.
It all makes the lack of information and the disinformation coming out of China that much harder to sift through. On the devil's advocate side, I'm not sure if a bioweapon were accidentally released from a US lab, that we would admit it.
Watch the clip I shared.
Okay, here's something I heard on the news this morning, and if it's true, it's infuriating: We have NOT topped off the strategic oil reserves yet. I thought this was a done deal already?!? According to the report, the money to do it was supposed to be in the recently passed stimulus package, but dems nixed it and Rs folded, because "it would enrich the oil companies".
Are you *expletive deleted*ing kidding me?!?!?!? Oil is at the cheapest point in forever, and the strategic oil reserves are, well, STRATEGIC, and we have to remove that money from the stimulus package to fund crap like the Kennedy Center?!? If this is true, I'm livid.
Pelosi is pushing her next free stuff bill, which includes eliminating SALT. I know the Rs will end up folding on that to keep important stuff in the bill from being held up. They had better put money for the strategic reserves in this one, and not budge if they're giving Pelosi's base free dough.
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #ChinaFlag of China. 5:18 AM · Jan 14, 2020
"Apparently, burglaries are already up 19% according to Chief Acevedo, and if we are allowing these people back on the street burglaries will go up more,"
@TravisDistrictG
on Judge Hidalgo's move to release 1,000 inmates currently being held for nonviolent offenses.
Here it is again - eh - still! Pelosi and her democrat ilk are playing games with a bent toward their agenda showing no focus toward the problem at hand. They are simply taking undue advantage of the (for lack of a better word) "panic" that they - via their buddies in the press - are hyping. It appears to be easy for them to disregard our plight. This tells me they don't give a rats arse about We the People. They are despotic. There is no polite way to address them. They are what they are.
Woody
I think that's true if it is a tested and deployed bioweapon. If it is an accidental release of an experimental sample, maybe yes, maybe no. I'm not saying it is or isn't a bioweapon, but if it were, say in the early stages of development and accidentally got released, it might not be as "fully cooked" as they say.
It all makes the lack of information and the disinformation coming out of China that much harder to sift through. On the devil's advocate side, I'm not sure if a bioweapon were accidentally released from a US lab, that we would admit it.
It's a heck of a crappy weapon that has such a low lethality . . . .I doubt the US would admit it (at first), but the likelihood of the information leaking is pretty high. How far it goes from there is questionable. Even China had information leaking out even though the consequences of leaking appear to be pretty severe.
I suppose we'll never know for sure, which I've become accustomed to and frankly comfortable with, but this virus bears more hallmarks of it being natural than man-made. As far as the US admitting to an accidental release of a bio-weapon; oh HELL no!
I didn't read the or watch the link so maybe it covers what I've stumbled over.
I've read about a potential connection with a lab in one of the Carolina's as well as in Canada.
Also about Chinese and Chinese Americans being picked up for transferring technology etc related to infectious diseases.
I'm in the we'll never really know camp myself.
Reality is frequently crazier than fiction.
It's a heck of a crappy weapon that has such a low lethality . . . .
I suppose we'll never know for sure, which I've become accustomed to and frankly comfortable with, but this virus bears more hallmarks of it being natural than man-made. As far as the US admitting to an accidental release of a bio-weapon; oh HELL no!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUo1w5aSkro
Short version: virus researcher at Chinese biolab collects samples from bats.
Accidentally released from a lab research facility: plausible.
Also about Chinese and Chinese Americans being picked up for transferring technology etc related to infectious diseases.
Watch the interviews.
This guy literally wrote the book on this in 2000.
At most, I would accept the theory that they discovered COVID19 and were researching it when it got out.
But all evidence points to it jumping from animals in the wet markets to humans.
The wet markets are perfect breeding grounds of disease, with wild animals being kept alive in close proximity to each other and with people.
Watch the clip I shared.
Watch the interviews.
This guy literally wrote the book on this in 2000.
At most, I would accept the theory that they discovered COVID19 and were researching it when it got out.
But all evidence points to it jumping from animals in the wet markets to humans.
The wet markets are perfect breeding grounds of disease, with wild animals being kept alive in close proximity to each other and with people.
Again, now is not the *expletive deleted*ing time for this horse *expletive deleted*it. Save it for the usual "we told you so! This is how we would have done it!" hindsight crap for after the event.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-creates-new-house-committee-for-coronavirus-oversight-with-subpoena-power
Unlike the 9/11-style after-action committee to investigate missteps in the coronavirus response that Rep. Adam Schiff and others have proposed, Pelosi said this committee is designed to address the "here and now" -- specifically concerning the allocation of the historic amount of federal funds directed to economic recovery.
You are here
On the lighter side... :laugh:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/02/malaysian-government-apologizes-for-tips-on-what-wives-should-do-during-a-covid-19-quarantine/
Also just reminds me of one of my favorite jokes: How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, that's what men are for?
On the lighter side... :laugh:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/02/malaysian-government-apologizes-for-tips-on-what-wives-should-do-during-a-covid-19-quarantine/
Maybe they know the virus will burn out or that there is treatment that will work.
Maybe the infections and deaths related to delay are just considered acceptable collateral damage in their war against Heritage America.
Maybe both above are true.
On the lighter side... :laugh:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/02/malaysian-government-apologizes-for-tips-on-what-wives-should-do-during-a-covid-19-quarantine/
I didn't read the or watch the link so maybe it covers what I've stumbled over.
I've read about a potential connection with a lab in one of the Carolina's as well as in Canada.
Also about Chinese and Chinese Americans being picked up for transferring technology etc related to infectious diseases.
I'm in the we'll never really know camp myself.
Reality is frequently crazier than fiction.
I'm kinda leaning towards the "pro", because you can control mask sanitation and handwashing before and after mask removal. If people don't do it, that's on them. You can't as easily control getting sneezed on. Plus the clothes you wear are just as susceptible as a mask. I don't seen anyone out and about that's doing, "wear it once and burn it" with their clothes.
Would boiling the masks/cloth for 1/2 hour or so destroy the virus?
Some of the stupidity I'm hearing about is mind boggling.
My daughter is a teacher in Tulsa public schools. Of course they've been on shut down since spring break. They are now ramping up to do online classes.
They still have to go to the school building to get materials and Chromebooks to distribute to the students. The school system is requiring that they be checked for fever before being allowed in.
So far just a common sense procedure that is being done in many places.
Except, the geniuses at her building are using oral thermometers :facepalm:
https://youtu.be/2UdtKssU7po?t=833
"DO NOT use alcohol and chlorine [bleach]-based disinfection methods," they wrote. "These will remove the static charge in the microfibers in N95 facial masks, reducing filtration efficiency. In addition, chlorine also retains gas after de-contamination, and these fumes may be harmful."
I read some thing the other day about using alcohol, that it removes the static charge from the material and reduces the ability for the mask to trap pathogens.
https://www.livescience.com/sanitizing-medical-masks-for-reuse-coronavirus.html
Better than rectal I guess. We are using temporal and laser here, I am sure they are pretty accurate after the person they are checking has just come in from outside where it is 25 degrees, or not. But it makes them feel good.Idiocracy - Future Hospital Visit
bob
That's possible. I'm currently putting masks in a Ziploc bag and dating the bag. When they have been sitting for a three weeks I'll reuse them.
Idiocracy - Future Hospital Visit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmUVo0xVAqE
Wasn't making contact with, and arresting this guy worse than leaving him alone? Why aren't people also being arrested at the Home Depot?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/03/is-this-really-about-the-virus-anymore-crazy-footage-of-paddle-boarder-arrested-for-violating-california-stay-at-home-order-by-being-alone-on-the-ocean-video/
Would boiling the masks/cloth for 1/2 hour or so destroy the virus?
When I’ve gone out. Most of the people I see wearing masks aren’t doing it correctly anyway. Leaving nose exposed. Not bending the metal thing to seal it. Pulling the mask down and pushing it back up constantly. Stuff like that. So not sure how effective that would even be to require mask when it seems most people don’t know how to use them.
Google is helping. Not like we all didn't know they were going to (or already were, pre-virus)...
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/03/this-aint-good-google-tool-designed-to-help-public-officials-ensure-people-are-abiding-by-social-distancing-measures-is-not-getting-rave-reviews/
Story requires a $50/yr membership to read.
Not with Firefox and NoScript.
Not with Firefox and NoScript.
So a lot of restaurants have been going to take-out, and I was making use of that, if for nothing else, to support my local businesses, but I noticed today, two of them (out of three) aren't even doing that right now. Curious if other restaurants are shutting down the to-go stuff. For mine, it might have just not been worth staying open considering the small customer base. One of them I guess took it as an opportunity to close for a couple of weeks and remodel.
Behold your media America!
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/03/bombshell-jim-geraghty-shares-fact-filled-thread-showing-covid-19-likely-did-not-come-from-huanan-seafood-market/
Some interesting info regarding people researching viruses in bats.
Behold your media America!
Plus the clothes you wear are just as susceptible as a mask. I don't seen anyone out and about that's doing, "wear it once and burn it" with their clothes.
Regarding the new CDC mask guidlines,
Amazon has this mask available for immediate delivery:
https://www.amazon.com/Arsimus-Steampunk-Mask-Spikes-Gold/dp/B07RMZV38W/ref=sr_1_28?crid=16H2THX06UYVV&dchild=1&keywords=gas+mask&qid=1585964623&sprefix=gas+mas%2Caps%2C804&sr=8-28
"California’s local governments cannot simply suspend the Constitution," the lawsuit states. "Authorities may not, by decree or otherwise, enact and/or enforce a suspension or deprivation of constitutional liberties. And they certainly may not use a public health crisis as political cover to impose bans and restrictions on rights they do not like."
I kinda like the medieval "plague doctor" look, with the bird mask, wide-brim hat, and a cane. Lots of bird masks on Amazon. (No link provided. Look up plague doctor, it's fascinating)
Regarding the new CDC mask guidlines,
Amazon has this mask available for immediate delivery:
https://www.amazon.com/Arsimus-Steampunk-Mask-Spikes-Gold/dp/B07RMZV38W/ref=sr_1_28?crid=16H2THX06UYVV&dchild=1&keywords=gas+mask&qid=1585964623&sprefix=gas+mas%2Caps%2C804&sr=8-28
Also this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Orange-Gas-Mask-Style-Bong/dp/B085HJDNND/ref=sr_1_26?crid=16H2THX06UYVV&dchild=1&keywords=gas+mask&qid=1585964705&sprefix=gas+mas%2Caps%2C804&sr=8-26
Just an FYI. =D
Australia isn't having community transmission.I would start by looking at what they did and decide if we can/should emulate them.
Can we cut down on killing the economy in the warmer States, now?
To ensure compliance, state authorities enacted sweeping powers to impose hefty fines and potential jail terms on anybody breaching rules that include a ban on public meetings of more than just two people.
“We acted much earlier than the likes of Italy and the United States,” Collignon told Reuters. “We had much less community transmission and we still shut our borders and implemented social distancing policies such as shutting down bars and pubs, and did much more testing.”
Like many countries, Australia’s financial and jobs markets have been roiled by the outbreak, prompting the government to unveil several stimulus packages.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said 113,000 businesses had registered for a A$130 billion ($80 billion) six-month wage subsidy designed to stop spiraling unemployment and business closures.
The “job keeper” allowance has brought the country’s coronavirus-related stimulus so far to A$320 billion, or about 15% of Australia’s gross domestic product, as economists forecast the country’s first recession in almost three decades.
Ecuador had at least 3,100 confirmed cases and 120 deaths as of Thursday afternoon, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University. That's more than every other South American country other than Brazil and Chile.
Interesting news snippet this morning: CA has not seen a large infection rate in the homeless populations. That is very surprising to me, but maybe I'm missing a logical reason for it.
Interesting news snippet this morning: CA has not seen a large infection rate in the homeless populations. That is very surprising to me, but maybe I'm missing a logical reason for it.
The numbers as reported really don't give us an accurate picture.
How many have been tested?
Demographics of those tested?
Geographic location of those tested?
Percentage of population tested?
Definition of dying from covid-19, is it the only, primary, one of many factor's?
And on and on and on ...
The more clarity you seek the less clear it all becomes.
We're being told nothing actually.
We're being manipulated, maybe for our good, maybe not.
I'm going to bookmark this and look at it again in August. Assuming I'm still around.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/forecasting-model-predicts-when-each-state-will-likely-hit-coronavirus-peak-gives-possible-total-deaths
Does it make sense to look at a state level?
I'm out 3/4 of the way to BFE. Our state also has Chicago. I suspect cases will be disproportionately there, not here.
Does it make sense to look at a state level?
I'm out 3/4 of the way to BFE. Our state also has Chicago. I suspect cases will be disproportionately there, not here.
What if we were to learn that Trump suppressed scary information re COVID-19 (and the needed federal response) in January to postpone the economic turndown until it could no longer endanger his Senate acquittal? Retweet if you wouldn’t be surprised by his making that tradeoff.https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/05/just-say-no-to-drugs-laurence-tribe-makes-alex-jones-look-almost-sane-trying-to-float-effed-up-trump-covid-19-conspiracy/
— Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) April 5, 2020
http://www.dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/diseases-a-z-list/coronavirus
More Orange Man bad
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/05/just-say-no-to-drugs-laurence-tribe-makes-alex-jones-look-almost-sane-trying-to-float-effed-up-trump-covid-19-conspiracy/
The 4-year-old Malayan tiger named Nadia — and six other tigers and lions that have also fallen ill — are believed to have been infected by a zoo employee who wasn't yet showing symptoms, the zoo said. The first animal started showing symptoms March 27, and all are doing well and expected to recover, said the zoo, which has been closed to the public since March 16 amid the surging coronavirus outbreak in New York.
COVID vigilantism:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachusetts-shoppers-tackle-man-produce-coronavirus
So I'm going to take, perhaps, the minority view on this. This is only a snippet from the time the guy was tackled, so we have no idea what went on beforehand. When I read and saw this, my first thoughts were of my 92 year old dad. He clears his throat A LOT these days, like to the point of hocking a loogie, but not doing so, if that makes sense. It's pretty much involuntary, so I know he does it in stores and wherever.
He's been smart enough to keep himself at home, but if he were to go to the grocery store and clear his throat, then get jumped on like this guy did, from how they were holding him down in the video, my frail dad would be dead. Now maybe this guy was some wacko aggressively spitting on food for who knows why, but if it was just some confused senior citizen involuntarily coughing, man, I'm glad my dad is staying at home.
https://terravivos.com/secure/vivoseuropaone.htm
If we all chip in, perhaps we can get a luxury bunker in what I am guessing is the former East Germany. A subterranean munitions dump and equipment storage built by the Soviets. We can rely on Fly320s to get us to Europe.
https://terravivos.com/secure/vivoseuropaone.htm
If we all chip in, perhaps we can get a luxury bunker in what I am guessing is the former East Germany. A subterranean munitions dump and equipment storage built by the Soviets. We can rely on Fly320s to get us to Europe.
I'm guessing there's a "no guns allowed" policy and that the security team for the bunker are jackboots out of a bad B movie.
Problem with that is they are all in KS.
https://www.missilebases.com/copy-of-atlas-f-centralk
Says the buddy is now a 2 star and that "they" are planning on a full on country wide lock down in about 2 weeks that will include stopping all trucking for a full month.
The other neighbor is pretty sharp and lets me cut firewood on his place but watching him run a chainsaw scares me.
"that will include stopping all trucking for a full month."
Right. You want food riots? Because that's how you get food riots.
100% of the food in this country moves by truck.
They start rioting if the food stamp computers go down for a couple of hours
Yesterday I participated in an "across the fence" conference with a couple of my neighbors, they're both younger guys, mid 40s. Newest neighbor seems to be an alright guy but he really puts off the used car salesman vibe, probably because he owns a small small car lot in town. The other neighbor is pretty sharp and lets me cut firewood on his place but watching him run a chainsaw scares me.
Anyway, used car neighbor was relating his recent talks with one of his special forces buddies ( ;/). Says the buddy is now a 2 star and that "they" are planning on a full on country wide lock down in about 2 weeks that will include stopping all trucking for a full month.
Makes me wonder how many packages of TP this guy has stashed.
:facepalm:
I wonder how many people realize the complete shitshow that would result from shutting down trucking for a month...
We just had a guy going around attacking people for not social distancing
More C19 is racist from the undisputed expert on everything and then some.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/06/oh-honey-stop-aoc-quadruples-down-on-covid-19-being-racist-after-being-dragged-badly-annnd-we-officially-cant-even/
Newest neighbor seems to be an alright guy but he really puts off the used car salesman vibe,I’m guessing his forces aren’t all that special, his friend isn’t a 2 star, and he doesn’t know spit about anything.
Anyway, used car neighbor was relating his recent talks with one of his special forces buddies ( ;/). Says the buddy is now a 2 star and that "they" are planning on a full on country wide lock down in about 2 weeks that will include stopping all trucking for a full month.
Boris Johnson moved to IC
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52192604
Geez. Sadly, there's likely a bunch of commies over there jumping for joy. Hope he has a good recovery.
I'm waiting to see what happens if Trump comes down with it. I have no doubt there will be celebration and parties and many of the MSM talking heads will be grinning from ear to ear. All in the name of compassion and tolerance of course
"In another brazen act of foreign collusion, Trump is using an Asian virus of color to gain sympathy"
Trump’s conduct easily satisfies all 3 elements of involuntary manslaughter. In fact, his gross negligence is beginning to look more like conduct evincing a “conscious disregard of an extreme risk of death/serious bodily injury = the standard for depraved heart/2nd degree murder. https://t.co/XVHYy5CqWUhttps://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/06/msnbc-legal-analyst-believes-president-trumps-conduct-ticks-all-the-boxes-for-involuntary-manslaughter/
— Glenn Kirschner (@glennkirschner2) April 6, 2020
320's, can you fire up the Chemtrails and do a couple laps to calm this guy down?
Oh here you go.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/06/msnbc-legal-analyst-believes-president-trumps-conduct-ticks-all-the-boxes-for-involuntary-manslaughter/
I’m guessing his forces aren’t all that special, his friend isn’t a 2 star, and he doesn’t know spit about anything.
My son in law is a former army ranger with several years in the real special forces. His current job is running a trucking company and warehouse. I talked to him yesterday and he didn’t mention anything like your neighbor’s scenario.
I’m guessing his forces aren’t all that special, his friend isn’t a 2 star, and he doesn’t know spit about anything.
My son in law is a former army ranger with several years in the real special forces. His current job is running a trucking company and warehouse. I talked to him yesterday and he didn’t mention anything like your neighbor’s scenario.
Toilet paper, hand sanitizer, guns, ammo . . . . and Bibles:I am not suprised. When it’s time perceived to be the end time bibles (and I bet preachers with a comforting message to
https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/coronavirus-bible-book-update-sales-record
So the same Navaroo guy who’s being criticized for butting heads with Fauci during a meeting?To be fair, there are always people warning about dire worst case scenarios. Most of the time they are totally wrong. Once in a great while they turn out to be correct and then get to look like prophets.
Not one, but TWO separate memos warning the White House of potentially worst case scenarios, and laid out steps to get ahead of this. First one in Jan was a general memo, which is where the China travel ban comes from. But otherwise he was mostly ignored because he’s considered “anti China” in the White House...
Second memo was in February directed to the President.
So the same Navaroo guy who’s being criticized for butting heads with Fauci during a meeting?
Not one, but TWO separate memos warning the White House of potentially worst case scenarios, and laid out steps to get ahead of this. First one in Jan was a general memo, which is where the China travel ban comes from. But otherwise he was mostly ignored because he’s considered “anti China” in the White House...
Second memo was in February directed to the President.
Toilet paper, hand sanitizer, guns, ammo . . . . and Bibles:
https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/coronavirus-bible-book-update-sales-record
I get all the religious education I need from boomers on Facebook with their cOpY aNd pAsTe aNd sHaRe IF yOu ArEnT aFrAId aNd 1 lIkE = 1 aMEn posts and made up moral stories
The Government has bought 3.5 million finger-prick antibody tests that could soon radically transform the UK's response to Covid-19 https://t.co/6Ryb3hdf84
— The Telegraph (@Telegraph) March 30, 2020
"The UK government’s new testing chief has admitted that none of the 3.5 million antibody tests ordered from China are fit for widespread use…The tests did not pass the evaluation stage". https://t.co/AxqFupLpGz #COVID19
— Wilson Leung 梁允信 🇭🇰 (@WilsonLeungWS) April 6, 2020
For Ron: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/rei-extends-store-closures-and-furloughs-many-of-its-workers-for-90-days-ceo-gives-up-pay-for-six-months/
All of his comments downplaying the virus are him repeating what the experts at those two organizations were saying.
Trump is well known for ignoring the experts, even disdaining them, and people love him for it. What an unfortunate time to have started listening to them.
Trump is well known for ignoring the experts, even disdaining them, and people love him for it. What an unfortunate time to have started listening to them.
...
Says the buddy is now a 2 star and that "they" are planning on a full on country wide lock down in about 2 weeks that will include stopping all trucking for a full month.
Makes me wonder how many packages of TP this guy has stashed.
:facepalm:
I wonder how many people realize the complete shitshow that would result from shutting down trucking for a month...
According to Restaurant Business Online, owners say it's possible the restaurants won't reopen.
May not be just the Mom and Pops you got to worry about.
Logan’s Roadhouse fires all employees, closes restaurants
https://www.wave3.com/2020/04/07/logans-roadhouse-fires-all-employees-closes-restaurants/
It was inevitable, can't keep paying people to stay home indefinitely.
Tough times for big companies also.
The really smart play for the economy would have been to be super aggressive early on.
This haphazard piecemeal approach is going drag it out and tank a lot of businesses.
Our country doesn't take well to jackboots welding people into their homes. Without deaths to point to, exactly how is shutting everything down before anyone is infected going to go over?
It may have been "better", if it had worked, but the laws in the country will only work with the consent of the people. If they don't think it's important, they will flout the laws. (See: Prohibition)
Most states are already proving they have the emergency powers to do so, but I agree, it would have been greeted poorly.An aggressive lock down would be greeted poorly now.
So instead, we get to have the most (confirmed) deaths and cases, and long lasting economic damage.
Most states are already proving they have the emergency powers to do so, but I agree, it would have been greeted poorly.
So instead, we get to have the most (confirmed) deaths and cases, and long lasting economic damage.
We are nowhere near the worst per capita.
We have the most confirmed cases because China is run by a totalitarian communist bureaucracy that lies even more than our own bureaucracy.
Even the big restaurants don't have big margins. I recall seeing Cheesecake Factory giving out warnings a month ago.
That's a shame. They are (were?) a decent place.
Evil. Evil is the middle ground. He wants as many NYers as possible to die. And he was told about Black Americans dying in horrifying numbers and he got excited about that, too. He's TRYING to kill people.
— Ayelet Waldman (@ayeletw) April 7, 2020
Toilet paper, hand sanitizer, guns, ammo . . . . and Bibles:
https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/coronavirus-bible-book-update-sales-record
Well, at least Bibles are something I was already hoarding, so I won't get caught out on that. Now let me go see what the street price is on a gently used ESV...
ESV. Ha! I only deal in the good stuff, NRSV.
ESV. Ha! I only deal in the good stuff, NRSV.
ESV. Ha! I only deal in the good stuff, NRSV.Heretic.
We are nowhere near the worst per capita.
We have the most confirmed cases because China is run by a totalitarian communist bureaucracy that lies even more than our own bureaucracy.
And Russia.
In 2006, then-New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration began purchasing ventilators to allow the city to be prepared for a pandemic like the current coronavirus crisis -- only for the city to later auction them off, according to a report.
ProPublica reported Monday that the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene issued a report in 2006 on the city's preparedness for pandemic influenza -- similar to the 1918 Spanish Flu or the 2019 novel coronavirus -- that projected the city would need thousands of extra ventilators in order to properly treat all of its residents who got sick. The plan was then put into action, with the city initially buying 500 ventilators before it ran out of money to buy more and to maintain the ones it had already stockpiled, according to ProPublica.
Those ventilators were then auctioned off some time before 2016 because the city could not afford to maintain them in working order, partially because the model of ventilator the city had purchased was no longer in production after 2009, the report said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVABcl5qPA0
I didn’t read the article. Is it digital or hard copies of the Bible? Did it say?
I didn’t read the article. Is it digital or hard copies of the Bible? Did it say?
Apropos of nothing, man, he's got a hot wife. I'm really into the virus now. =D
https://youtu.be/-JIAeUaMTCQ
Apropos of nothing, man, he's got a hot wife. I'm really into the virus now. =D
https://youtu.be/-JIAeUaMTCQ
Every time she's on TV, she looks and sounds like she's reading a hostage statement.
Podunk grocery store run this morning: Wow! Suddenly almost everything is back in stock. Full dairy, meat, produce, and baking goods (flour, etc.) sections. Water about 2/3 full. TP/paper towels about 1/3 full. I was one of two customers in the store.
The "limit of 1" and "limit of 2" signs are gone from everything except dairy, baking goods, and paper products.
Heck, I might even try for a Costco run next week. I'm running out of the Salsa I can't get anywhere else.
Podunk grocery store run this morning: Wow! Suddenly almost everything is back in stock. Full dairy, meat, produce, and baking goods (flour, etc.) sections. Water about 2/3 full. TP/paper towels about 1/3 full. I was one of two customers in the store.
The "limit of 1" and "limit of 2" signs are gone from everything except dairy, baking goods, and paper products.
Heck, I might even try for a Costco run next week. I'm running out of the Salsa I can't get anywhere else.
I was at walmart this morning. They had most things.
The one thing I really wanted was some weights, which they were completely sold out of.
The one thing I really wanted was some weights, which they were completely sold out of.
White folks are just upset they can't go golfing while black people die
‘You should resign’: Michigan AG blasted for tweet about ‘white folks outraged because they can’t go golfing’ while minorities are disproportionately affected by coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/08/you-should-resign-michigan-ag-blasted-for-tweet-about-white-folks-outraged-because-they-cant-go-golfing-while-minorities-are-disproportionately-affected-by-coronavirus/
I played golf on Sunday, probably one the better social distancing activities to do, especially if you walk the course. I also had a bag full of social distancing tools if someone came too close.
I played golf on Sunday, probably one the better social distancing activities to do, especially if you walk the course. I also had a bag full of social distancing tools if someone came too close.
Stink bombs? Excessive bodily out-gassing? C'mon man, don't leave us hanging.
Um... a driver,
As of yesterday, COVID is the #1 cause of death daily in the nation.
I thought it was lack of toilet paper.
Well there it is. Freakin' rich white guy and his chauffeur.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot of Chicago is an even bigger and more blatant hypocrite. A few days ago, she got a professional haircut and posed for a picture with her stylist, who was certainly standing much closer than six feet away. This is the same woman who forcibly shut down every hair salon and barber shop in the city, and reserves the right to fine or arrest anyone who does exactly what she just did. The good mayor even recorded a friendly quarantine PSA where she specifically said that getting your hair done “is not essential.”
Lightfoot has been applauded in the media for being especially strict in her stay-at-home orders. Strict to the other residents of the city, I mean, not to herself. She has not only shut down “non-essential” businesses and instated social distancing rules, but she also instructed the people of Chicago to only exit their homes for a “brief respite.” They are not allowed to jog for long distances because, she explained, “outside is not for 5Ks.” Yes, she has assumed the power to decide what outside is “for.”
Don’t worry. She has an excellent excuse for violating her supposedly lifesaving rules. When asked by a reporter, she explained that she just “needed to have a haircut” because she “takes personal hygiene very seriously.” She also insisted that her position as “public face of the city” and her frequent appearances on national television give her a special exemption.
Get with the program, Jamis!
https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/man-crafts-wooden-exercise-equipment-after-covid-19-shuts-down-his-gym/
+ 64 percent of the patients are white, 27 percent are black, 9 percent are Asian and 0 percent are multi-racial
+ 75 percent of those who have died from the coronavirus were white, 20 percent were black and 4 percent were Asian
For context, the city’s population is 67-68 percent white, 22 percent black and 10 percent foreign-born, Fischer said.
I played golf on Sunday, probably one the better social distancing activities to do, especially if you walk the course. I also had a bag full of social distancing tools if someone came too close.
Decides on his purchase. Pulls out his wallet and takes out some cash. He then pulls his mask down, licks his fingers and starts counting the cash! :facepalm: [barf]
California: "All your PPE are belong to us":
https://patch.com/california/losgatos/coronavirus-santa-clara-county-orders-ppe-inventory-reporting
Reporting residents and businesses will not be required to donate their supplies of personal protective equipment, but county officials encourage them to do so via the Valley Medical Center Foundation.
World Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #ChinaFlag of China. 5:18 AM · Jan 14, 2020
World Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on #China based on the information currently available http://bit.ly/2sgvOZK 7:04 PM · Jan 10, 2020
California: "All your PPE are belong to us":
https://patch.com/california/losgatos/coronavirus-santa-clara-county-orders-ppe-inventory-reporting
Niall Ferguson's latest column (paywall) notes that on Jan. 23 the Chinese cut off Hubei province from the rest of China -- but they didn't cut it off from the rest of the world. Direct flights out continued. Trump's travel restrictions kicked in only a week later.
QuoteWorld Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #ChinaFlag of China. 5:18 AM · Jan 14, 2020
Pope Francis likened the coronavirus pandemic to recent fires and floods as one of “nature’s responses” to the world’s ambivalence to climate change.https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-coronavirus-natures-response-climate-change
And now a word from Pope Greta
https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-coronavirus-natures-response-climate-change
Half-assed Catholic here. Since viruses like this don't like warm and humid air, isn't global warming part of God's response to protect us from the plagues of the devil?
And now a word from Pope Greta
https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-coronavirus-natures-response-climate-change
Actually a warmer damper environment would be better for human pathogen survivability outside a host. Winters are bad for us since our bodies are already stressed with keeping warm.
That's not what they're saying about the beer virus.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-humidity-may-affect-covid-19-outcome
However, the researchers note that too much outdoor humidity can also support viral spread. For instance, in tropical areas, airborne droplets that contain the virus fall on indoor surfaces, where the virus can survive for longer periods.
From the article you linked
First, they say that when cold, dry air comes indoors and is warmed, the relative humidity indoors drops by about 20%. Such a drop in humidity makes it easier for airborne viral particles to travel.
That said, the review concludes that studies in mice suggest that a relative humidity of 40–60% is ideal for containing the virus.
“That’s why I recommend humidifiers during the winter in buildings,” says the study’s senior author.
Other studies in mice also found that an environment of 50% relative humidity contributed to good viral clearance and an efficient immune response.
Also from the article:
40%-60% humidity doesn't happen east of the short grass prairie in the US during the summer.
As a general rule heat and humidity is not good for viruses. They are encased in a lipid layer that breaks down in heat and humidity. Influenza breaks down about 80 degrees but SARS if I recall takes about 130 degrees. This one may be more like SARS, only time and research will tell.
bob
Sorry, hit the wrong button my reply Ben.
SARS, MERS, and Covid-19 are all coronaviruses.
“The form says they are preemptively deducting funds from our paychecks. That number is based on what they’re anticipating the government relief fund to be,” a worker for the company told KXAN. The worker asked not to be identified in this investigation so as not to impact his company’s ability to continue doing business.
The company would also take half of the $500 stipend allotted for dependents under the bill.
As is the common cold and and other respiratory illnesses. There are presently 7 coronavirus types that can cause illness in humans. More in animals that will someday probably jump to humans. I can't help but have this nagging feeling that there was a lot of research into SARS and MERS that was defunded once the acute phase of the diseases passed. I can't prove it or find anything about it, just a gut feeling.
bob
As is the common cold and and other respiratory illnesses. There are presently 7 coronavirus types that can cause illness in humans. More in animals that will someday probably jump to humans. I can't help but have this nagging feeling that there was a lot of research into SARS and MERS that was defunded once the acute phase of the diseases passed. I can't prove it or find anything about it, just a gut feeling.
bob
Wait, what?
On one hand I can understand why they're doing this but on the other hand no. Is this even legal?
Texas company looking to dock paychecks for those receiving stimulus checks
https://wgno.com/news/health/coronavirus/texas-company-looking-to-dock-paychecks-for-those-receiving-stimulus-checks-tmw/
Obviously if Hillary was president stuff like this wouldn't happen seems to be the MSM spin on this
They're reading my mind! Need mor tin-foil! [tinfoil]
WaPo contributor checks out how the COVID-19 pandemic is going on Earth 2 with President Hillary Clinton
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/09/wapo-contributor-checks-out-how-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-going-on-earth-2-with-president-hillary-clinton/
"Reporting residents and businesses will not be required to donate their supplies of personal protective equipment, but county officials encourage them to do so..."
Yeah, sure. And if not enough residents donate PPE, men with guns will eventually come to confiscate it.
40%-60% humidity doesn't happen east of the short grass prairie in the US during the summer.
Say WHAAAT?
You have obviously never lived on the east coast.
https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/US/humidity-by-state-in-summer.php
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Coronavirus was detected in Massachusetts sewage at higher levels than expected, suggesting there are many more undiagnosed patients than previously known, according to a new study.
The researchers, along with a team from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Harvard, and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, analyzed the samples and found the number of coronavirus particles was on par with if there were 2,300 people infected with the virus.
But at the time of tests, there were only 446 confirmed cases in the region, according to the study.
We really need widespread antibody testing so we can get this *expletive deleted*it over with and get back to whatever sense of normality we can.Even if they don't, they need to switch over from EVERYONE sheltering in place to just those at risk and everyone else get back to business.
Or in KentuckyOr anywhere on the Gulf Coast though the Texas Gulf Coast may not be East.
switch over from EVERYONE sheltering in place to just those at risk and everyone else get back to business.Sweden has been trying that, so far it hasn't been a disaster but it will be worth keeping an eye on.
Say WHAAAT?
You have obviously never lived on the east coast.
https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/US/humidity-by-state-in-summer.php
Redfield said it would be "premature" for him to specify how exactly the CDC will do this and how much staffing it plans to put in place. But he said an announcement will come in the near future. "Obviously, if we're going to try to get this nation back to work shortly after the end of this month, we're far along in those planning processes as we speak," he said.
Other places — such as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong — that have been praised for success in "flattening the curve" of coronavirus infections have used methods for contact tracing that might not fly in the U.S. because of privacy concerns. For instance, South Korea uses a variety of tools such as surveillance cameras, cellphone data and credit card transactions of suspected cases to help map transmission.
Redfield left the door open for contact tracing in the U.S. to employ cellphone data. "People are looking at all the different modern technology that could be brought to bear to make contact tracing more efficient and effective," he said. "Are there more tech-savvy ways to be more comprehensive in contact tracing? Currently these things are under aggressive evaluation."
He added that ultimately it will be up to state and local public health departments to determine how to do contact tracing. The CDC is there, Redfield said, to offer technical assistance and to "augment personnel substantially."
There is a large grocery distribution center at the bottom of the hill about a half mile away. It has been bustling with activity all the way through this whole CV event as though nothing had changed. Trucks were coming and going 24/7, product coming in and goods going out to stores.Did they have a driver in Kentucky?
Today it is dead, no activity at all. Someone probably sneezed.
Did they have a driver in Kentucky?
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=62117.0
TennesseeI was close, but I guess that is a big difference. =D
I was close, but I guess that is a big difference. =D
Meanwhile in NYWhy don't they just cremate those bodies? They could also go a bit deeper if they are just going to stack them anyway.
Aerial images show New York ramping up burials as officials grapple with coronavirus death toll
https://www.foxnews.com/us/aerial-images-new-york-hart-island-burials-coronavirus
Another fake news story.....allow me to explain.
So far there has been 17,000 deaths in the US from the coronavirus, the 1st death was on March 1st.
There have been 41 days of people dying......that is an average of 414 people a day dying of the coronvirus.
Last year during the flu season there were 80,000 deaths and run primarily in December to February.....the average day of deaths to the flu is 888....double what the coronavirus is...does anyone remember the stories of all the dead bodies lying around during the flu season and the struggle to bury them?
When you include all of the deaths in the US for every reason we actually average 7,700 deaths a day.....are we supposed to believe that with an increase of 6% that we can't handle it.
The media including Foxnews should be ashamed of themselves for doing this fake news story.
From the comments of that Fox article.
From the comments of that Fox article.
Why don't they just cremate those bodies? They could also go a bit deeper if they are just going to stack them anyway.
Why don't they just cremate those bodies? They could also go a bit deeper if they are just going to stack them anyway.
I had assumed cremation would be mandated. Guess not . . .
^^^^^
Only if you coach football for a team in the South. Everyone else can figure it there isn't anything racist about it but hey, why let a good opportunity to shout "He's Racist" go to waste!!
bob
Cuomo, on WAMC, says there are "downsides" to voting by mail: "It's a harder system to administer, and obviously it's a harder system to police writ large. People showing up, people actually showing ID, is still the easiest system to assure total integrity."
These people just can't seem to get it into their heads that the intent is to keep the numbers not much worst then the flu.So far, the flu still worse. Is that because we are taking all these steps and doctors are learning how to treat it? Or is that because it isn't quite as bad as they thought? We'll see.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't
Interesting theory. California might have developed hard immunity through undetected infection last year that was just bundled into flu season.
https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-covid-19-herd-immunity-california/6091220/
Tomorrow morning during early senior shopping hour, I plan to put on a gun, a mask, nitrile gloves, and go to Walmart for a cheap countertop microwave. Should I stop and pay for it or just let the the wardrobe work for me?
Actually I’m getting it for a lady that will transition from nursing home back to her apartment next week. She broke her hip pre Covid 7 weeks ago and has been recovering. I’m her POA and help her out when she needs it because she has no family within 1000 miles. She has about 4’ of counter in a tiny senior subsidize housing unit and kept her old microwave taking up half her counter because the clock still worked. :facepalm:
Her apartment is clean and uncluttered and supplied with necessities because my wife and I worked in there cleaning for 2 days and bought her new curtains, a couple lamps, new mattress cover, pillows, a vacuumed that works, etc.
The bodies don't belong to the state, they belong to someone. Storing until claimed.
... Are there measures being taken to preserve the bodies? Otherwise I don't think it's really healthy to reclaim them... [barf] And even then, it's not a job I'd want.
From the comments of that Fox article.QuoteAnother fake news story.....allow me to explain.
So far there has been 17,000 deaths in the US from the coronavirus, the 1st death was on March 1st.
There have been 41 days of people dying......that is an average of 414 people a day dying of the coronvirus.
Last year during the flu season there were 80,000 deaths and run primarily in December to February.....the average day of deaths to the flu is 888....double what the coronavirus is...does anyone remember the stories of all the dead bodies lying around during the flu season and the struggle to bury them?
When you include all of the deaths in the US for every reason we actually average 7,700 deaths a day.....are we supposed to believe that with an increase of 6% that we can't handle it.
The media including Foxnews should be ashamed of themselves for doing this fake news story.
So far, the flu still worse. Is that because we are taking all these steps and doctors are learning how to treat it? Or is that because it isn't quite as bad as they thought? We'll see.
No, it’s not. COVID accounts for more accounted for daily deaths than the flu world wide.
Also, the flu doesn’t collapse hospital systems.
Yee-Haw! Drive-thru gun shopping! Thank you Trump and virus! Trump 2020! Blood on the streets! :lol:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-atf-authorizes-drive-through-gun-sales-to-maintain-social-distancing/
Actually I don't see it as all that convenient. You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days. Are they setting up a tent or something and people get out of their cars to fill out paperwork? Or are they handing people laptops? Seems like you're increasing chances of virus transmission. Regardless, I'm sure the term "drive-thru gun buying" is bursting liberal heads everywhere, so, win.
At least one gunshop here that I know of started this a couple of weeks ago.
On a related note: Waiting on a Glock 20 at another shop, got an e-mail saying I'll have to make an appointment to pick it up when it comes in
BREAKING: Democrat Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear is sending police to churches this weekend to record the license plates of anyone who attends Easter services and is going to force them into quarantine for 14 days https://t.co/Vv6YoLwhF7https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/11/kentuckys-dem-governor-reminds-citizens-about-the-punishment-that-awaits-if-their-license-plate-is-spotted-outside-easter-church-services-or-other-mass-gatherings/
— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) April 11, 2020
Good point about basically having no conversation about it, and just going straight Big Brother. Also how some of these "leaders" are almost enjoying the power. Guess they figure it gives them something that makes their jobs look important.
I'm beginning to feel the same about this stuff as I do about TSA. I'd rather be blown up on a plane by a shoe bomb while remaining a free man, than being "safe" and a subject.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/11/kentuckys-dem-governor-reminds-citizens-about-the-punishment-that-awaits-if-their-license-plate-is-spotted-outside-easter-church-services-or-other-mass-gatherings/
Edit: WLJ beat me to the punch.
As long as a 4473 is done....why would the ATF need to authorize "drive through" sales?
I'd be interested in how exactly they intend to enforce those quarantines. The folks at church have pretty much proven by being at church that they don't care about governmental decrees. If you station a LEO outside all their houses to enforce a quarantine the manpower cost would be enormous, and if you decide to send cops to houses to drag people away to a quarantine facility I suspect we'll learn what the Venn diagram of "people in Kentucky that blow off .gov orders to go to church" and "People in Kentucky with guns that aren't going to peaceably leave their house" looks like.
Like what's the Governer's endgame here? There's no way that threat ends well for him.
No, it’s not. COVID accounts for more accounted for daily deaths than the flu world wide.
Also, the flu doesn’t collapse hospital systems.
Covid 19 is not collapsing hospital systems .... atleast in America. We feared it but it isn't hapoening.I was about to ask that. I haven't heard of that happening anywhere in the US, even in New York.
Total cases: 459,165
Total deaths: 16,570
This season CDC estimates that, as of mid-March, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses.
This.So which countries is that happening in?
Folks can quibble with math. You can’t really analyse away overflowing hospitals.
This isn’t just the flu and serious measures to stop it are clearly warranted. That doesn’t mean every extreme response makes sense, but it should be taken seriously and it is properly a life changing disease. If it’s not life changing because of isolation, it will be from wrecking medical systems and causing death.
Covid 19 is not collapsing hospital systems .... atleast in America. We feared it but it isn't happening.
Actually I don't see it as all that convenient. You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days. Are they setting up a tent or something and people get out of their cars to fill out paperwork? Or are they handing people laptops? Seems like you're increasing chances of virus transmission. Regardless, I'm sure the term "drive-thru gun buying" is bursting liberal heads everywhere, so, win.
"You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days." Where? I've never seen a gun shop where I could fill out a 4473 on a computer. I don't even think that's legal.
"You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days." Where? I've never seen a gun shop where I could fill out a 4473 on a computer. I don't even think that's legal.
"You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days." Where? I've never seen a gun shop where I could fill out a 4473 on a computer. I don't even think that's legal.
I think the question is about whether the drive through counts as "on premises". There is a difference between selling a gun in the store, and selling a gun through the mail. Selling a gun through the mail usually requires the buyer to physically go to an FFL to take possession. There is a legitimate question what "physically go" means. If an FFL set up something like an Amazon locker for people to pick up guns, would that be ok? Would a drive through window be ok? Ok then what if there is a separating wall, and the buyer and seller interact over video/intercom? What if the same system is used but the buyer and seller are in different buildings or different towns? They need to clarify what remote sales means. Apparently drive-up windows and tents are kosher.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/11/kentuckys-dem-governor-reminds-citizens-about-the-punishment-that-awaits-if-their-license-plate-is-spotted-outside-easter-church-services-or-other-mass-gatherings/
Well, we're getting $666.90 stimulus check. Got an email from my bank today.
Likely going to invest it.
That's the most metal Trump Bucks check amount I've heard of yet.
Yes it is. CBS proved it by using video of an Italian hospital overflowing with CV patients to depict a New York City hospital. After being called out for it the first time, they claimed it was an error in editing the story.
Then they doubled down and did it again for another story on hospital overcrowding.
I said American hospitals. I don't know about other countries. I'm not surprised about Italy ..... and I wouldn't trust most broadcast network news if they told me July follows June.
Apparently the drive-in church services will be allowed, at least for Easter:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/11/mitch-mcconnell-rand-paul-laud-judge-granting-kentucky-church-permission-to-hold-drive-in-easter-service/
I watched the April 10th NBC News episode via Youtube.
There's political cranks pushing for FedGuv to manufacture 300+ million COVID tests.
The only way that's reasonable to do, is if you have a means to administer 300+ million tests. And the authority to force non-willing subjects to take the test.
I smell a massive power grab over the makeup of the individual human body coming.
I said American hospitals. I don't know about other countries. I'm not surprised about Italy ..... and I wouldn't trust most broadcast network news if they told me July follows June.
My county (in MO) is OK with them. Don't know what Kentucky's problem is.
Oh, just saw this.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-ag-barr-taking-action-against-gov-officials-who-regulate-religious-services
Union Locates Massive Supply of N95 Masks – SEIU UHW. Thank you @SEIU. Proud to be a member of this union. We are all in this together. https://t.co/WvA3eQFevd
— Donna Brazile (@donnabrazile) March 26, 2020
seiu just revealed they found *39 million* n95 masks while trump is sitting on his hands https://t.co/qwivLjvtmh
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) March 26, 2020
The SEIU’s claim to have located 39 million masks was actually just someone in Kuwait trying to scam them (!!). The scam was uncovered when FBI agents tried to seize the masks from the SEIU and to FEMA (!!!) https://t.co/Hbfirxa1NN
— Tom Gara (@tomgara) April 11, 2020
My county (in MO) is OK with them. Don't know what Kentucky's problem is.
Q: I follow Woody Harrelson on Instagram and he says that 5G radio waves spread the coronavirus. This is frightening!https://www.foxnews.com/tech/5g-conspiracies-diy-masks-homeschool-advice-and-more-tech-qa
A: Woody Harrelson is an actor and entitled to believe whatever he wants. Based on the NIH research I have read and my 25 years in the tech industry, I’m confident that 5G signals and coronavirus have no tangible connection except that they’re both invisible to the human eye.
Harrelson’s assertion is only the latest in a wave of coronavirus conspiracy theories. My advice is always to consult the CDC first, using its social media channels to find the newest information. These are some of the foremost health experts in the world and only present facts that they consider settled science.
I saw a video of some pastor in Mississippi I think, filming a gaggle of cop cars showing up to block people from his drive-in service. He mentioned the common question of why it was okay to go to Walmart with 100 other people, but people sitting in the car was not and mentioned his constitutional rights. One of the cops said, "Your rights are temporarily suspended."
Move over chem trails, 5G spreads C19 :facepalm:
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/5g-conspiracies-diy-masks-homeschool-advice-and-more-tech-qa
This whole over-the-top CV response will prove once and for all that we have only those rights the government (at all levels) allows us to have.
China bans black people in public. Okay MSM "the US is xenophobic" China lovers, time to step up.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/12/as-reports-of-blatant-racism-against-black-people-surface-in-china-we-eagerly-await-a-response-from-the-nba/
They said they wouldn't be taking back around here.
Careful. I got raked over the coals for daring to assert that. ;/
This whole over-the-top CV response will prove once and for all that we have only those rights the government (at all levels) allows us to have.
That one sailed right over your head, didn't it?....But UNDER the radar ..... [tinfoil]
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Well looks like meat is going to get more expensive. Smithville closed South Dakota plant for at least two weeks could be longer.
Yes it is. CBS proved it by using video of an Italian hospital overflowing with CV patients to depict a New York City hospital. After being called out for it the first time, they claimed it was an error in editing the story.
Then they doubled down and did it again for another story on hospital overcrowding.
In the end, we have only the rights we are willing to die, and kill, for.
That is the only thing that stops the expansion of power.
All the rest, the law, the courts, is all window dressing.
CBS's lazy journalism doesn't change anything.
https://idahonews.com/news/coronavirus/93-year-old-woman-using-powers-of-the-internet-to-keep-beer-stocked-during-pandemic
How so? The courts have been used countless times to secure rights people hadn't been able to exercise before. You're saying those people were all willing to shed blood or be killed for those rights? How do you know that?
How so? The courts have been used countless times to secure rights people hadn't been able to exercise before. You're saying those people were all willing to shed blood or be killed for those rights? How do you know that?
In the end, we have only the rights we are willing to die, and kill, for.
That is the only thing that stops the expansion of power.
All the rest, the law, the courts, is all window dressing.
We have a number of "boxes" we use to protect and defend our rights.
The soap box
The ballot box
The jury box
And in the end, as a means of last resort if all of the above fail:
The ammo box.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” - Thomas Jefferson.
Alan Gura, inter alia, forced the state of Illinois to recognize the right to carry a gun - not in the ideal, permitless, Constitutional carry style, but people in Illinois can now exercise a right they previously could not.
Were Alan Gura and associates willing to die for that? Were they willing to kill? How would we know?
We could do this with plenty of other cases. Hobby Lobby, Citizens United, etc.
Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of folks around willing to water the tree of liberty. Most people have been beguiled by promises of free stuff and false security.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?fbclid=IwAR1UAp4wMrlTpi0gVE0uZ4m6zOfwHBOGJcqwj_b9D9NOrr-pr8ZRMW6GV-o
Very few healthy people die from the China Virus.
I cannot speculate on their commitment. The courts conceded.
What you seem unwilling to contemplate is the courts, and all the organs of the state, refusing to recognize "rights".
As a primer, I would suggest "One day in the life of Ivan Densisovich", and "the gulag archipelago".
I did not say we are there yet- but IN THE END , rights are obtained not by courts, but by men and women who are willing to die for them.
Serves Americans right for being so unhealthy then? Obesity alone has been identified as a comorbidity factor, and almost 40% of Americans are considered obese.
So you:
1. admit you were wrong, and I was right
2. make up some baseless nonsense about me
3. give me homework, as if I didn't just school you
How about no?
For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect. It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue. A decision by me, in conjunction with the Governors and input from others, will be made shortly!
So you:
1. admit you were wrong, and I was right
2. make up some baseless nonsense about me
3. give me homework, as if I didn't just school you
How about no?
I'm curios what he thinks he can do to "open up the states", especially if governors are opposed to it.I think if the FedGov issues recommendations to reopen things, State Governors will be under a lot of pressure to do in their state unless they are having particularly serious issues with the virus. I don't think the Feds should or need to force anything.
I'm curios what he thinks he can do to "open up the states", especially if governors are opposed to it.
You are being obtuse, and refusing to recognize where freedom comes from.
Actually, no, I do not admit you were right.
In the end, we have only the rights we are willing to die, and kill, for.
That is the only thing that stops the expansion of power.
All the rest, the law, the courts, is all window dressing.
I cannot speculate on their commitment. The courts conceded.
Refusing to recognize what now? Based on what that I said, exactly? I'll expect an answer on that about the same time you tell me how I'm "unwilling to contemplate" that the courts don't always get it right. I tried being civil with you, but all I got for it was you making up stupid things about me. Keep your absurd straw men at least six feet away from me, please.
As for the rest of your blather, I already told you to quit giving me homework. Here's something for you to work on.
Then why, in response to a few obvious examples that contradicted your overblown rhetoric, did you go from this:
to this?
You admitted that the courts are not "all window dressing," and that the stuff about being willing to kill or be killed is just, well, window dressing.
Now leave me alone.
My younger brother from Q-Town said last night that the NM governor has ordered liquor stores closed. That's not going to end well.
Unless, the ones on the reservations are not affected.
They left them open here as "essential" specifically because they are state liquor stores, bringing in state revenue. Apparently several other states with state stores did the same thing.
NC did the same thing. And yes, we've gallantly contributed to the state's income during this trying time.
PATRIOT!
:laugh:
Only a half patriot. We bought some blended Canadian whiskey for mixing with OJ. :P
I refer.you to my signature. You're illustrating it well.
That's not good.
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other/coronavirus-could-target-immune-system-by-targeting-protective-cells-warn-scientists/ar-BB12uI6s
https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-defiantly-held-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/
https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-defiantly-held-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/
Their daughter, Mar-Gerie Crawley, told WTVR that her father initially dismissed his symptoms because he has a condition that often leads to fevers and infections.
...
“I just beg people to understand the severity and the seriousness of this, because people are saying it’s not just about us, it’s about everyone around us.”
Prosperity gospel meets pandemic.
God is not your magic wand pastor. That's the difference between Christianity and the pagan religions.
You are shaped to God's will, you don't bend Him to yours.
(Oh, and he outed himself as a false prophet, as well.)
On the other hand he just died, so we don't need to pile on him right now.
It's like I interrupted an idiots' convention.
It's like I interrupted an idiots' convention.
How so, did you leave the convention in the middle of your key note speech?
Ladies, Ladies, Ladies, you're allbeautifulsmart. Can't we just all get along?
More than 100 South Koreans who fully recovered from coronavirus have tested positive for a second time, as the country eyes an easing of social-distancing rules, officials said.
Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the virus may have been reactivated after remaining dormant in the patients, as opposed to them being reinfected.
The World Health Organization is under fire after Taiwan released the contents of a December email inquiring about the person -to-person spread of COVID-19, which it says was ignored by the organization and further denied to provide adequate information about how to fight the virus.https://www.foxnews.com/world/taiwan-releases-december-email-showing-unheeded-warning-to-who-about-coronavirus
Taiwan is accusing the WHO of downplaying the severity and spread of the coronavirus in an attempt to pander to China, even after Taiwan sounded the alarm about at least seven cases of atypical pneumonia that they were aware of in Wuhan, where the virus originated.
A bit worrisome
Coronavirus has 'reactivated' in more than 100 South Koreans who recovered
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-reactivated-more-than-100-south-koreans-who-recovered
It's quite possible that the tests that cleared them were false negatives, too.I recall hearing part of the defense over the US not having testing ramped up sooner was the tests they had weren't very accurate. The hindsight reports after all this is over might be interesting.
African migrants in Guangzhou, China are being evicted from their apartments and hotel rooms after local government officials blamed black people for a string of recently reported coronavirus cases.
It's like I interrupted an idiots' convention.
How so, did you leave the convention in the middle of your key note speech?
https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/walton-and-johnson/content/2020-04-13-covid19-chinese-mcdonalds-wont-serve-black-people-video/
COVID19: Chinese McDonalds Won't Serve Black People (video)
I have heard this mentioned in the last few days.
I still highly doubt the weapon theory. But as far as theescaped pathogen from a research lab theory....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/?utm_source=reddit.com
Looks more and more plausible.
You'd think that anyone designing a bioweapon this ineffective would be fired. But escaped from a lab? I'll buy that. The initial story was all over the place. Bat, Pangolin, who knows, it just sounded sketchy.
You'd think that anyone designing a bioweapon this ineffective would be fired. But escaped from a lab? I'll buy that. The initial story was all over the place. Bat, Pangolin, who knows, it just sounded sketchy.
While I'm still more inclined towards "escaped", I'm also inclined towards, "it doesn't have to be highly lethal". The threat of, and resulting panic seems to be enough. What we're experiencing now is a pretty successful test run for a crappy bioweapon. You don't have to kill its population to kill a country.
I'm pretty sure the info is still accurate that this was supposedly started by a rando eating a bat... just down the street from a viral research facility studying bat viruses.
Just looked the Virginia numbers-
Just like Italy, just like NYC, just like every other set of numbers , despite the anecdotal horror stories , this virus is almost exclusively killing the old and the sick, who were at great risk from any other illness.
A guess would be that next year we see a lot less flu deaths, as the virus will already have pulled forward that group.
Shutting down the economy for this is nuts. We are panicking for nothing. Really scary to see so many so manipulated.
Here's an idea: WHY NOT SHUTDOWN ONLY THE AREAS WHERE THERE IS ACTUALLY A PROBLEM?To give the devil his due, the areas they leave open will likely be swarmed by residents from the areas they close.
People love a conspiracy, I wonder how many "conspiracy theories" were proven wrong by history.
Conspiracy theories are never proven wrong. They're just silenced by The Man, and of course history is written by the winners. Or the lizard people. Or the Catholic Church. Or the Jooish bankers, or...
I'm glad that Biden killed the last of the Lizard People in the Spanish Civil War.
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I'm glad that Biden killed the last of the Lizard People in the Spanish Civil War.
A quick look at congress makes it obvious he missed a few.
Just throwing this out there on the Bioweapon theory:Or China thought it might be targeted against them and made sure injected people traveled all over to spread it everywhere else.
1. If it escaped unintentionally (which I think we can all agree is almost certainly the case) It might not be quite finished yet. Let's think of this as like an 80% solution on a weapon.
2. You guys are thinking in terms of military effectiveness, which is not where bioweapons shine, and not really how PRC doctrine runs. Something like this is more of a weapon for right before, or at the very beginning of a shooting war. Once hostilities break out a lot of travel between belligerents is already stopped. That is to say, no one is coming into China. SO they smuggle several hundred carriers in through Mexico (or through north Africa into Europe) with credit cards and instructions to take a nice long 3ish week vacation traveling all over America/the EU. Then the war starts. Can you imagine the West trying to swing into a wartime economy, and produce a bunch of weapons to fight the PLA, as well as replace the things we need in the States that aren't made there, all while no one can go to work because a 15-20% death rate flu is ripping around? How about the effectiveness of the extra soldiers that dropped off kids with grandma and grandpa to deploy, now that their kid's school bug killed grandma and grandpa?
Is it definitely a bioweapon? Maybe, maybe not, but it would be a good one, especially if this is the rough draft. Did it come from the Wuhan lab, either through accidental jump from a lab animal to a tech, or poorly disposed of lab animal remains? I would bet a fair amount on that.
One last thought: This is described all over as "fast mutating" so vaccines will be a long term challenge. Even if it wasn't a weapon originally, it probably is now.
Don't confuse space aliens from Uranus with Lizard People. Lizard People are pretty bad ass and used to use AR-14s.
I don't really believe all that, but if it was true then it could be argued it was in fact a very successful bio-weapon.
Gas comes out of Uranus
Clouds of Gas Coming Out of Uranus Found in Old Voyager 2 Data
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRvtB37cnao
https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-defiantly-held-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/
Wow. LA County released 25% of their prison population.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/la-county-sheriff-fears-possible-surge-in-crime-after-releasing-4276-nonviolent-inmates-due-to-coronavirus/
Whoah…. @RepTimRyan and @RoKhanna introduce bill that would pay eligible Americans over 16 $2k per month UNTIL unemployment returns to pre-COVID levelshttps://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/dem-congressmen-introduce-bill-that-would-pay-americans-2000-a-month-until-unemployment-returns-to-pre-covid-levels/
They say: A married couple making under $260K with 3 kids would receive $5,500 per month. pic.twitter.com/NHf5pWpmC0
— Leigh Ann Caldwell (@LACaldwellDC) April 14, 2020
Well crap. The lady that I assist at times as her POA and when she needs help (she has no family within 1000 miles and they have almost nothing to do with her) is supposed to transition back to her tiny subsidized senior apartment from recovering in the nursing home. She fell and broke her hip 8 weeks ago and had surgery. I was supposed to pick her up Thursday 2 days from now.
How many people did they let out of the nursing homes? ;/
Fire up the printers!
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/dem-congressmen-introduce-bill-that-would-pay-americans-2000-a-month-until-unemployment-returns-to-pre-covid-levels/
That would collapse the country in a big rush. Stuff like this causes 1,000% to 1,000,000% inflation. Too much money chasing fewer and fewer products. No one goes to work 'cause who would need to? No work, no products. The only way anything would be available is through slave labor.Not to mention that unemployment was pretty low. It might take awhile to get to those levels.
Then again, this is exactly what the socialists/communists/leftists/Democrats want for us.
Woody
I'm particularly angry about what they've done to the areas that are not DC, Richmond, or Tidewater.
Our ham-handed jackass of a governor is shutting down the entire state... because DC is infected.
Here's an idea: WHY NOT SHUTDOWN ONLY THE AREAS WHERE THERE IS ACTUALLY A PROBLEM?
Oh, that's right. Like in Illinois, all that matters is the major metropolitan areas. Screw the backwater hicks.
Just looked the Virginia numbers-
Just like Italy, just like NYC, just like every other set of numbers , despite the anecdotal horror stories , this virus is almost exclusively killing the old and the sick, who were at great risk from any other illness.
A guess would be that next year we see a lot less flu deaths, as the virus will already have pulled forward that group.
Shutting down the economy for this is nuts. We are panicking for nothing. Really scary to see so many so manipulated.
I'm 45 minutes from DC if traffic cooperates. 30 ish from Fairfax, where one of the biggest clusters in VA is.
So if my county was "open" for business, whats to stop sick people from Fairfax from coming down here for dinner at one of our area restaurants?
Now, if I'm mistaken and we think we can just kill the virus and not deal with it by locking everyone down, then I have the wrong idea.
If we go too far in the lockdown, it doesn't spread at all and then we just get the exact same problem, just later. After having killed the economy.If nothing is happening during lockdown, then yes it's pointless.
If nothing is happening during lockdown, then yes it's pointless.
We are supposed to be expanding hospital capacity, cranking out ventilators & PPE, and ramping up testing.
In order to reopen AND keep the virus in check we need more/faster/better testing, including for antibodies, and more capacity to trace who infected people have been in contact with.
If nothing is happening during lockdown, then yes it's pointless.
We are supposed to be expanding hospital capacity, cranking out ventilators & PPE, and ramping up testing.
In order to reopen AND keep the virus in check we need more/faster/better testing, including for antibodies, and more capacity to trace who infected people have been in contact with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&feature=youtu.be
Okay I'm leaning more and more towards the "escaped the Wuhan lab, CCP tried to cover it up" camp.
Huang Yan Ling....patient 0.
If that is true, then we need to do to China what we did Cuba in 1962. Going to be painful and for the most part I say *expletive deleted*ck American business owners who decided to move operations there.
#Iran's IRGC unveils a homegrown magnetic device that can detect every #Covid_19 case within a 100-meter radius. No blood samples required anymore for diagnosis. Great news.https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/15/lololol-iran-says-it-invented-a-magnetic-device-that-can-detect-coronavirus-within-a-100-meter-radius/
https://t.co/AjwmY6mkZE
— Syed Zafar Mehdi (@mehdizafar) April 15, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&feature=youtu.beI heard a scenario on the radio that seemed plausible and could go along with all those options:
Okay I'm leaning more and more towards the "escaped the Wuhan lab, CCP tried to cover it up" camp.
Huang Yan Ling....patient 0.
C19 news from IranMade by the same people who brought you the Iranian gaydar homosexual detector.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/15/lololol-iran-says-it-invented-a-magnetic-device-that-can-detect-coronavirus-within-a-100-meter-radius/
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C19 news from Iran
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/15/lololol-iran-says-it-invented-a-magnetic-device-that-can-detect-coronavirus-within-a-100-meter-radius/
http://Jesse Kelly
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@JesseKellyDC
I tried to warn all you people in the DC/NYC bubble that a storm was coming. Nobody listened. You sat in your apartments and didn’t miss a paycheck and told everyone to shut up and stay inside.
We would have to look at not just retaliation with China, but US preparedness as well - and not just the government. Individuals have to learn to step up with at least minimal preparedness.
Suddenly "prepping" is not what weirdos on National Geographic series do, and "victory gardens" are now in. Sadly, I give it a year max before people don't restock what they hoarded and throw away or give away prep stuff that is now "taking up space for no reason"*. Also those victory gardens will all wither and die.
* I was talking with a former coworker I guess a month ago. When I was on the job, I had a fully stocked emergency response section of the office full of shelter in place gear and PPE. She told me that like a year ago, they decided all that stuff nutty prepper Ben did (most actually via guidance from DC) was stupid and they needed the space, so they chucked everything. Coulda used it now.
The worst part of the Great Depression was only a few years, maybe less than 2 years. That experience stuck with a generation their whole life, may be the same when this is all over.
The worst part of the Great Depression was only a few years, maybe less than 2 years. That experience stuck with a generation their whole life, may be the same when this is all over.
That would be very good. I know that much of my "prepardeness" has come from the pre, during, and post WW2 stories and examples of my parents and relatives who were on the wrong side.
Though with being able to stay home with electronically deposited paychecks and with Netflix, I have to wonder if people weathering this will see the same value as those who literally lost everything they owned and wondered if they would eat the next day?
At some point we have to change the methodology from the lowest common denominator of "everybody" to target groups. I can't help but think part of the reason we're not targeting susceptible groups while letting others go to work is our current cultural hypersensitivity to discrimination and micro-aggression and whatnot.
Though with being able to stay home with electronically deposited paychecks and with Netflix, I have to wonder if people weathering this will see the same value as those who literally lost everything they owned and wondered if they would eat the next day?
As charby said, this ain't over yet.
Also, about the Netflix and direct deposit thing - are you talking about yourself, or about other people?
Assuming the latter, keep in mind plenty of people are missing paychecks because of this. Or they're working, but making less. Or they're working the same, or more hours, but their lives have changed in other ways.
As charby said, this ain't over yet.
Also, about the Netflix and direct deposit thing - are you talking about yourself, or about other people?
Assuming the latter, keep in mind plenty of people are missing paychecks because of this. Or they're working, but making less. Or they're working the same, or more hours, but their lives have changed in other ways.
Well, regarding the virus escaping a lab:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/15/source-tells-fox-news-that-origin-of-covid-19-might-be-the-costliest-government-coverup-of-all-time/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources
"Keep up with the US in virus ID and combating". What an interesting mission for a level 4 bio lab owned and operated by a communist party.
Such as "Is this the day some infected A**hole who doesn't take this seriously comes in and I end up going home with C19"?
One of the more interesting tangents on this for me was that this was the lede, giant font headline on Fox News' main page yesterday. As soon as it popped up there, I checked CNN, MSNBC, PBS, and several other MSM websites. Not a mention of it anywhere obvious, let alone as a headline.
Regardless of accident or weapon, the fact that our own intelligence services are publicly stating this should be one of the biggest stories of the week. Instead, these mooks continue their TDS coverage of the virus. I just now popped over to CNN, and still not a mention of it anywhere. China could land forces on one of our coasts today, and these idiots would find some way to ignore it as less important than TDS. Ignoring a story like this is practically enemy activity.
China could land forces on one of our coasts today, and these idiots would find some way to ignore it as less important than TDS. Ignoring a story like this is practically enemy activity.
CNN would probably say we should welcome the immigrants.
One of the more interesting tangents on this for me was that this was the lede, giant font headline on Fox News' main page yesterday. As soon as it popped up there, I checked CNN, MSNBC, PBS, and several other MSM websites. Not a mention of it anywhere obvious, let alone as a headline.
Regardless of accident or weapon, the fact that our own intelligence services are publicly stating this should be one of the biggest stories of the week. Instead, these mooks continue their TDS coverage of the virus. I just now popped over to CNN, and still not a mention of it anywhere. China could land forces on one of our coasts today, and these idiots would find some way to ignore it as less important than TDS. Ignoring a story like this is practically enemy activity.
The office Token Democrat sent me the cnn link this morning:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/us-intelligence-virus-started-chinese-lab/index.html
They coach it in much more "maybe" terms though. Even that must have been painful for them.
The theory has been pushed by supporters of the President, including some congressional Republicans, who are eager to deflect criticisms of Trump's handling of the pandemic.
CNN's Jim Acosta contributed to this report.
The numbers in the USA are now revealed to be every bit bullshit as the China numbers.
The government has encouraged being very very liberal with the coding of cause of death and with the Fed kicking in money based on number of cases institutions have, they've provided financial incentive to pad the numbers.
Now now. The stay at home orders are tyranny and we must all die for the stock market.
Now now. The stay at home orders are tyranny and we must all die for the stock market.
What we sorely need at this dark hour are laughs at the expense of people who've lost the paychecks and businesses on which their families depend. Jolly good fun, I say!
Full hospitals can't be faked.
The stay at home orders are tyranny and we've grossly over-reacted everywhere except the most dense urban areas. (Where they have merely "over-reacted" rather than grossly so.)
That may be understandable as we are dealing with something new and will get some things wrong, but someone needs to look at the numbers and realize that our hospitals, far from being overwhelmed, are being underutilized, which is also bad.
This is not a true statement based on the reports from people I know personally that are actually working in the hospitals.
This is not a true statement based on the reports from people I know personally that are actually working in the hospitals.
Considering one of the major news groups substituted Italian hospital footage in a story about US hospitals, yes, it can be faked (or at least attempted). =)
Full hospitals can't be faked.
Full hospitals can't be faked.
Where are you hearing about full hospitals? I would like to hear details if you have some.
I realize a few states are being hit hard by this, but most are not.
Yes, they can. CBS faked it twice with video from Italian hospitals, despite being called out on it the first time and calling it a mistake in editing.
Many hospitals across the country are laying off staff because the CV patient crunch never materialized, and all elective procedures had been cancelled. No work for their staffs.
Tent hospitals in Seattle and other cities are being torn down after not handling a single CV patient.
We've been thoroughly scammed into destroying our economy. The fallout from that will be far worse than what happens due to the CV.
You can find independent report after report of it outside the MSM. But don't let me stop ya'll from following Rush Limbaugh's medical advice.
Where are you hearing about full hospitals? I would like to hear details if you have some.
I realize a few states are being hit hard by this, but most are not.
Sorry, I don't take my medical advice from Rush Limbaugh. Numerous reports of hospitals across the country laying off staff are available from "independent report after report of it outside the MSM."
Not all hospital rooms are set up for a extreme Covid-19 cases so with the ban on a lot of elective surgeries probably going to see empty beds even in the hard hit areas.
To the best of my knowledge we don't have any full hospitals in Iowa, now this may change since Covid-19 ripped through a Tyson pork kill plant in Columbus Junction, IA. Strategically this plant doesn't have any hospitals of any size within 30 minutes how the crow flies. There was 2 reported deaths from the plant yesterday, I am not sure about today.
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Tyson-Foods-says-2-dead-from-COVID-19-outbreak-at-Columbus-Junction-plant-569680951.html
I think the more rural states are going to be screwed in the coming weeks. Especially amongst the lower paying essential jobs since those folks tend to live in shared quarters in higher concentrations.
Seriously, if the virus is hitting hard in a state, don't open back up. I think most places could open back up with some precautions basic social distancing practices. If people are still keeping distance from others and using masks/gloves if needed, I think opening back up will work well.
Part of me, seeing this "open it back up" movement feels like *expletive deleted*ck it. Let's see how many people we can kill off. Let's see how bad this can get.
I mean, the Spanish Flu only had a 2.5% mortality rate, and the likely adjusted mortality rate for this is only about 1%. 1/100 people is no biggie if I can go to the movies.
Part of me, seeing this "open it back up" movement feels like *expletive deleted*ck it. Let's see how many people we can kill off. Let's see how bad this can get.
I mean, the Spanish Flu only had a 2.5% mortality rate, and the likely adjusted mortality rate for this is only about 1%. 1/100 people is no biggie if I can go to the movies.
Part of me, seeing this "open it back up" movement feels like *expletive deleted*ck it. Let's see how many people we can kill off. Let's see how bad this can get.
I mean, the Spanish Flu only had a 2.5% mortality rate, and the likely adjusted mortality rate for this is only about 1%. 1/100 people is no biggie if I can go to the movies.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait....
I thought this was about "flattening the curve" so the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. Now it's about making sure no one gets the disease?
I thought the plan was that people were going to get the disease, but we want to slow the spread so that too many don't get it at once?
Is it about making sure that most people don't get the disease now? Because that wasn't what was explained to me.
I'll provide anecdata here. My town has two hospitals. There are 150 ICU beds in the larger of the two. (I'll say 50 at the other, but it's probably 100).
The news announced last week that we have 153 active cases in our area... plus 4-5 LARGE surrounding areas. (Which have additional hospitals and ICU beds.) That's total cases in an area with probably a dozen hospitals of varying size.
We have more ICU beds than CASES in this area. And the numbers are trending down now.
IF we think that the virus is gone after the shutdown, I can understand continuing the lockdown. That makes sense.
IF we think the virus will just spread again after we open things up, we need to open things up now to try to actually use the resources we have.
What is going to be better in 2 months while the virus stops spreading if it's going to just spread exponentially again?
I've been operating on the understanding that we don't think we can eradicate the virus by quarantining everyone. I got that from all the talk about "flattening the curve" rather than eradicating the disease.
Have I misunderstood the plan?
Sorry, I don't take my medical advice from Rush Limbaugh. Numerous reports of hospitals across the country laying off staff are available from "independent report after report of it outside the MSM."
Germany will reopen many of its shops next Monday and some of its schools from May 4, as it joins other European countries in relaxing the draconian shutdown measures adopted last month to slow down the coronavirus pandemic.
Germany has managed to contain coronavirus more effectively than other European countries, partly thanks to a comprehensive testing regime that allowed authorities to identify and isolate those infected with the virus at an early stage. It has the capacity to run 650,000 tests a week.
I'll provide anecdata here. My town has two hospitals. There are 150 ICU beds in the larger of the two. (I'll say 50 at the other, but it's probably 100).
The news announced last week that we have 153 active cases in our area... plus 4-5 LARGE surrounding areas. (Which have additional hospitals and ICU beds.) That's total cases in an area with probably a dozen hospitals of varying size.
We have more ICU beds than CASES in this area. And the numbers are trending down now.
Who would have thunk criminals would do something like that?
LMPD to respond to burglar alarms again, as criminals are 'taking advantage' of pandemic
https://www.wdrb.com/news/lmpd-to-respond-to-burglar-alarms-again-as-criminals-are-taking-advantage-of-pandemic/article_3075e030-7ea7-11ea-ad34-cf6459e2e944.html
Interesting my neurologist that prescribed my CPAP machine told me that CPAP machines are more valuable for Covid-19 cases then ventilators.
I wondered about that. I asked somebody a couple of weeks back if CPAP machines could be used to help COVID-19 patients, and I never got an answer.
Where are you hearing about full hospitals? I would like to hear details if you have some.
I realize a few states are being hit hard by this, but most are not.
”Quarantine is only supposed to be for sick people not mandatory for healthy law abiding people,” Shea wrote on Facebook. “Otherwise constitutionally and legally that starts creeping into martial law territory.”
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“If I choose to peacefully assemble, go to Church, go to a gun shop, take my family fishing, open my business, enjoy the outdoors, or exercise any of my constitutional rights, I should not be restricted from doing so by a would-be dictator,” Culp told supporters during a recent conference call.
An interesting thing here that I read this morning is that the demographic group with the most reported cases is the 18-29 year old group.
https://idahonews.com/news/coronavirus/idaho-wednesday-coronavirus-numbers-updated-april-15
Full hospitals can't be faked.
There aren't nearly as many "full hospitals" as were predicted. Some of the improvised ones have few if any patients and some assembled by the Army Corps of Engineers are being dismantled .
They were all probably at Spring break in Florida ...
New York City has been on lockdown for about a month. Up until this past week the effect has been stark and nearly universal. Most mornings, weather permitting, I sit in my small Brooklyn backyard as the day begins. For weeks the loudest sound has been the silence, quiet streets forming a backdrop for distant sirens and harbor boat horns. That is changing, the white noise of car traffic, like an ocean lapping on a beach has returned.
On my “essential walks” which I take daily to the grocery or the bodega, I traverse an overpass above the Brooklyn Queens Expressway. For the past month traffic has been spare, an emergency vehicle here and there, not much more. That too has changed. While it has not returned to the soul crushing bumper-to-bumper standstill that makes the BQE infamous, the number of cars coursing to and from Staten Island has built up everyday.
Another Tyson pork kill plant has a potential outbreak in Waterloo, IA. IA governor just announced that.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/16/the-lockdown-is-loosening-whether-government-likes-it-or-not/
A good and short read.
On my “essential walks” which I take daily to the grocery or the bodega,
"They" will claim that is because we flattened the curve.
The problem is that all the models used already had social distancing and lock downs built into the models.
The data is all suspect and sucks.
Garbage in garbage out.
Driving across Oklahoma yesterday, I went to a gas station men's room the same time as a state trooper; he got there just before I did. I noticed how long and how well he washed his hands after he peed. But then he grabbed the nasty door handle on the way out :facepalm: I *almost* stopped him and pointed it out for future reference; let him know I'm just trying to keep him safe. (dry your hands, use the paper towel to open the door, hold the door with your foot as you throw away the towel, etc) But I wasn't sure how good an idea it was to tell a cop he made a small but possibly costly mistake so I kept my mouth shut.
Interesting perspective.
Though as an immediate tangent I note:
Which kinda goes to an earlier point I made that maybe urbanites won't learn their lesson on preparedness. Daily walks to the bodega, whether essential or not, mean that somebody isn't keeping more than a day's worth of food in their place during a lockdown.
What I teach new Nurslings is to turn on warm water, wet hands, soap up, wash completely for a minimum of 20 seconds, (leave water running) grab some paper towels, dry hands, turn off water with paper towels, open door using paper towels, throw paper towels away once no chance of touching door or parts.
bob
Hippa doesnt let them say who has recovered they need to go to the media to say they have recovered. yes it is going to be hard to keep trac of numbers.
HIPPA isn't stopping the reporting the raw number of infections or hospitalizations. It damn well doesn't stop the reporting of the raw numbers of recovered. No one is asking for names, just numbers of people that have recovered.
We're being played.
HIPPA isn't stopping the reporting the raw number of infections or hospitalizations. It damn well doesn't stop the reporting of the raw numbers of recovered. No one is asking for names, just numbers of people that have recovered.
We're being played.
Iowa reports the recovered total everyday, either buy the governor and/or on a website.
needs to be at least seven days from the start of symptoms and that a patient would need to be symptom free for at least 72 hours.
I saw a video of some pastor in Mississippi I think, filming a gaggle of cop cars showing up to block people from his drive-in service. He mentioned the common question of why it was okay to go to Walmart with 100 other people, but people sitting in the car was not and mentioned his constitutional rights. One of the cops said, "Your rights are temporarily suspended."
That's not showing up on the Johns Hopkins map.
In fact, since I last looked at the map a couple of days ago they have removed the data point for "Recovered" entirely. They have also removed that data point for other countries, including those that I know have been reporting recoveries. If I were a conspiracy theorist (but what would a conspiracy theorist be doing on this forum?), I might think that the data point was removed so that people wouldn't notice that the United States, out of just about all the countires in the world, is about the only one that has no data on number of recoveries.
I think the (or, at least, "a major") reason for that is that the protocol for verifying recovery is two negative nasal swab tests taken at least 24 hours apart. We don't have enough test kits yet to test all those who need testing to determine whether or not they have COVID-19, so we certainly don't have enough testing capacity to test patients twice to see if they have recovered.
Which means our data are useless. (But we already knew that.)
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Here in WI, at least one (almost month old) report says to be counted as recovered, the person
https://www.weau.com/content/news/The-criteria-a-COVID-19-patient-needs-to-meet-to-constitute-as-recovered-569142801.html
Possible Strategy to Discontinue Home Isolation For Immunocompromised Persons with COVID-19 When A Test-Based Strategy is Feasible and Desired:
Maintain home isolation until:
- Resolution of fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and
- Improvement in respiratory symptoms (e.g., cough, shortness of breath) and
- Negative results of an FDA Emergency Use Authorized molecular assay for COVID-19 from at least two consecutive nasopharyngeal swab specimens collected ≥24 hours apart (total of two negative specimens)[1]. See Interim Guidelines for Collecting, Handling, and Testing Clinical Specimens for 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV).
That data is on the Johns Hopkins map.That's on the page, but not on the map. The map is broken down (in the U.S.) by county, and when the data for recoveries in each county were last shown, they ALL read "0" (zero).
There's a tab at the bottom of the frame showing deaths that reads "recovered". Clicking that tab will switch that frame to the recovered number. US is reporting 56,236 recovered as of 0842C on the 17th.
Additionally, if you click the main map frame over to "active cases" instead of "cumulative confirmed cases" and click on any country you will get a pop up with that countries numbers for confirmed cases, deaths, recoveries, and active cases. Color coded even.The toggle to switch from total/cumulative cases to active cases has disappeared from the map since I last looked at it, two or three days ago. And now, when you click the dot for any county (or country), the data block that opens up no longer has an entry for "Recovered."
The toggle to switch from total/cumulative cases to active cases has disappeared from the map since I last looked at it, two or three days ago. And now, when you click the dot for any county (or country), the data block that opens up no longer has an entry for "Recovered."
No it hasn't. Check the screenshot I posted from this morning.
Two things heard on the news this morning:
1) China has revised Wuhan infection numbers up by 50%.
2) Somehow I missed this before, but Peking has reported zero infections. Okay then.
ETA Again: Oooooh. It's a screensize thing. If firefox thinks the tabs will be too small it renders it as the banner with arrows. I'm running 1920x1080 and if Firefox is a window it shows what you have. If I go full screen I see what's attached to this post.
They're also pushing out media into other parts of the world blaming the US for the virus.
“To know the fatality rate you need to know how many people are infected and how many people died from the disease,” said Ali H. Mokdad, a professor of health metrics sciences at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. “We know how many people are dying, but we don’t know how many people are infected.”
https://covid19info.live/us/
Another news snippet I just heard:
Only one in five restaurants will survive the shutdown. I didn't catch what group did the study, but I wouldn't be surprised. I think restaurants already have a fairly large failure rate in the best of times.
Who puts out this map, and what's the source of their data? Everything I have read to date says the Johns Hopkins map is THE definitive compilation of the available data. This is an interesting map (and it indicates some extremely wide fluctuations in recovery percentages from state to state), but even on this one several states still show zero recoveries.They compile data from WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, JHU CSSE, DXY & QQ (as you could have easily seen from clicking on "About").
Sounds right. Running a restaurant is difficult and the operating margins are small. Combine that with a big drop in customers and I can see a very high failure rate.
Sounds right. Running a restaurant is difficult and the operating margins are small. Combine that with a big drop in customers and I can see a very high failure rate.
They compile data from WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, JHU CSSE, DXY & QQ (as you could have easily seen from clicking on "About").
This site is designed, developed and funded by myself (Shortbread).
A rare moment of clarity from Bill Maher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8
(some NSFW language)
Podunk grocery run again this morning. Everything is still pretty much fully stocked except TP and paper products (really people?!?).
I think I'll keep watching the Johns Hopkins site, thanks.Use what you please. I've found the numbers to be pretty consistent with other sources and the visualizations are way better than the Johns Hopkins map.
A rare moment of clarity from Bill Maher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8
(some NSFW language)
I read a very good explanation for why this isn't panic buying. (I can't find it right now, but I'll post it if I find it.)I would have thought store chains would source some commercial TP just to get something on the shelf to sell.
People went from spending half of their waking hours at work (using mostly commercial TP) to spending most of them at home (using residential TP).
The commercial TP and residential TP producers are completely separate. Commercial TP makers can't just flip a switch and produce residential TP.
So, although people aren't going to the bathroom any more, they are using residential TP more- at least 40% more demand for it.
I would have thought store chains would source some commercial TP just to get something on the shelf to sell.
And that should mean there is a glut of commercial TP somewhere that isn't selling because offices and resturants are shut down and not buying more.
So I heard a rumor that the closed Tyson pork plant in Columbus Junction, IA had moved asymptomatic employees to the plant in Waterloo, IA. I really don't think to highly of the management of any of the management of the big 5 meat packers, so I don't have a hard time believing this. Guess what we have a Covid-19 outbreak at the Waterloo, IA Tyson pork kill plant.
I imagine those small town hospitals are not equipped for that kind of outbreak.
I would have thought store chains would source some commercial TP just to get something on the shelf to sell.
And that should mean there is a glut of commercial TP somewhere that isn't selling because offices and resturants are shut down and not buying more.
I read a very good explanation for why this isn't panic buying. (I can't find it right now, but I'll post it if I find it.)
People went from spending half of their waking hours at work (using mostly commercial TP) to spending most of them at home (using residential TP).
The commercial TP and residential TP producers are completely separate. Commercial TP makers can't just flip a switch and produce residential TP.
So, although people aren't going to the bathroom any more, they are using residential TP more- at least 40% more demand for it.
“We do not consent to our state being shut down. We do not consent to forced imprisonment,” say Idaho Freedom Foundation, Idaho Second Amendment Alliance and Health Freedom Idaho.
I would have thought store chains would source some commercial TP just to get something on the shelf to sell.
And that should mean there is a glut of commercial TP somewhere that isn't selling because offices and resturants are shut down and not buying more.
I would have thought store chains would source some commercial TP just to get something on the shelf to sell.
And that should mean there is a glut of commercial TP somewhere that isn't selling because offices and resturants are shut down and not buying more.
Dr. Kizzmekia Corbett, who is described by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) as the "lead" member of the U.S. government team racing to find a coronavirus vaccine, has engaged with online theories calling the pandemic a black "genocide" and condemned what she called "systematic oppression" by white people, a review of her social media posts by "Tucker Carlson Tonight" reveals.
On March 29, Corbett tweeted out a Bloomberg article about how the poor are dying at higher rates from coronavirus. In her tweet, she said that doctors would deliberately choose to deny ventilators to black Americans, leaving them to die instead.
Another user declared, “They hate us. This virus is a sure fire way to get rid of us without having to lift a finger.” Corbett replied: “Some have gone as far to call it genocide. I plead the fifth.”
On April 11, Corbett implied black people are "doomed."
Adams, the surgeon general, told a press conference last week that black Americans suffer more from obesity, diabetes, and other ailments that increase the risk of death from coronavirus.
After Adams recommended that black Americans avoid cigarettes and alcohol to project their health during the epidemic, Corbett retweeted another user’s thread saying the suggestion was “offensive because they ignore systemic racism.” That thread ended by saying, “Dr. Fauci and Dr. Adams, check your privilege. Think critically. Stop spreading harmful fallacies that support white supremacy
Arsonists in the United Kingdom and across Europe are destroying cell phone towers. Vodafone says that 20 towers were attacked, including one serving a field hospital treating COVID-19 patients. The arsonists believe that 5G networks are helping spread coronavirus.The great 5G coronavirus conspiracy
And the 5G/C19 stupidity is growing
People are now attacking cell phone towers. :facepalm:
The great 5G coronavirus conspiracy
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/the-great-5g-coronavirus-conspiracy
Let's find out where they chat online and let them know there's a vaccine for 5G.
QuoteAdams, the surgeon general, told a press conference last week that black Americans suffer more from obesity, diabetes, and other ailments that increase the risk of death from coronavirus.
I actually hate 5G too, and wish it would die. It has nothing to do with the virus of course but I wonder how many of the tower torchers know that already and are just doing it for other reasons.
That option to switch between cumulative and active cases has gone AWOL. If you grabbed that screen shot on Thursday morning, then it disappeared on Thursday.
I just grabbed this screen shot to show what I'm blathering about:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.armedpolitesociety.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D61872.0%3Battach%3D3588%3Bimage&hash=d2c4fa2268f7066ce77e61970c2600bca83f7270)
I had actually read what Mak was talking about a while back. At that time, for curiosity, I looked at Amazon. They had those ginormous rolls (maybe 10" diameter?) you see in public bathroom dispensers available for fairly fast (like a week) shipping. I don't know if the price was reasonable or not, but it didn't look outrageous considering the times. Like maybe $15 for the two big rolls? Probably acceptable from the "beggars can't be choosers" perspective.
Those big rolls of which you speak are not toilet paper in the strictest sense. It is smearing paper.
Woody
Those big rolls of which you speak are not toilet paper in the strictest sense. It is smearing paper.
Woody
Twenty-two million have applied for unemployment since the pandemic began, and it’s going to get worse. This is a never-before-seen level of national economic calamity; history doesn’t get bigger than this.
People need to support their families. They need to have lives. They know how tentative and provisional a sense of security is in the best of times. They see the numbers, they get the implications, and they think yes, there is a terrible sickness out there, but we cannot commit suicide out of a fear of dying. We’ve got to get this thing up and going again.
A prominent Israeli mathematician, analyst and former general claims simple statistical analysis demonstrates that the spread of COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/
Not my area of expertise, obviously, but it will be interesting to see if it plays out as he predicts.
Those big rolls of which you speak are not toilet paper in the strictest sense. It is smearing paper.It isn't as good as Charmin, but I wouldn't call it that bad. And with the pressurized flushers in most commercial toilets, you can use a little more if needed.
Woody
You know you can double it over, right?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/politics/coronavirus-health-care-workers-layoffs.html#click=https://t.co/VLqjaebNII
During a Pandemic, an Unanticipated Problem: Out-of-Work Health Workers
Across the country, plunging revenues from canceled nonemergency medical appointments have forced hospitals to furlough or cut the pay of doctors, nurses and other staff.
I read a very good explanation for why this isn't panic buying. (I can't find it right now, but I'll post it if I find it.)
People went from spending half of their waking hours at work (using mostly commercial TP) to spending most of them at home (using residential TP).
The commercial TP and residential TP producers are completely separate. Commercial TP makers can't just flip a switch and produce residential TP.
So, although people aren't going to the bathroom any more, they are using residential TP more- at least 40% more demand for it.
Well I guess the way things are headed, we’ll find out the real truth in about 1-2 months.
I ran across this article on how NYC area has skewed the numbers for the US. I can't verify it but it does raise an interesting idea that if it weren't for lower NY state things would not look so bad in the US.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/heres-how-much-downstate-new-york-is-skewing-the-united-states-coronavirus-numbers/?fbclid=IwAR0n89qh3ZHLpT4Xa-kW_2zW6Hr-c5-BrLQz09qjQUzF-HGF6ff1opRUocc
bob
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/politics/coronavirus-health-care-workers-layoffs.html#click=https://t.co/VLqjaebNII
During a Pandemic, an Unanticipated Problem: Out-of-Work Health Workers
Across the country, plunging revenues from canceled nonemergency medical appointments have forced hospitals to furlough or cut the pay of doctors, nurses and other staff.
This is a very real thing all across the country. We have approximately 35% of normal patient volumes in our hospitals and clinics. Furloughs have been the order of the day for several weeks now. As a member of leadership, I have been told to prepare for a 25-30% pay cut in the coming weeks to help keep the system afloat and keep as many people employed as possible.
What will be interesting is whether the hospital top administrators take a big pay cut. (or if instead they give themselves big bonuses)
Since I am one of the top administrators, I would say yes to the big pay cut. In most of the systems I am aware of, it is the top administrators and senior members of the medical staff who are taking the largest cuts.
State Labor Secretary Sergio Moctezuma Martinez said that last week investigators closed a U.S.-owned factory that had been operating illegally and had chains on its doors to prevent its roughly 800 workers from leaving.
A spokeswoman for the company, Georgia-based Cooper Lighting, said in a statement that the chains were a temporary solution because locks on doors to the factory floor were broken. She said the doors were closed during each shift “to ensure the safety of our workers.”
It happened under Obama, so it won't get a lot of coverage. Not that it necessarily should, but I think we know that if it happened under Trump's watch the MSM would make it the culprit of the virus release.
We drove through a suburban neighborhood yesterday, and saw 3 or 4 groups of people either tailgating (at a distance), or just sitting on chairs at the curb in front of their houses. The block party even had a singer, or maybe they were doing karaoke.
A friend of ours has an Aussie/Pyrenees puppy, and we met her at a park by the Missouri to walk our dogs together. Place was slammed. We had to stop about every minute or two to let cyclists pass.
I was going to go to Menards (big box hardware/lumber yard for those unfamiliar) on both Saturday and Sunday. I made a loop around the parking lot, which was full and going in and out of the store was multiple people per cart. Let's just say I didn't darken their doorsteps. Played golf instead on Saturday and I got a lot of yard work done on Saturday afternoon and Sunday all day. Smoked a Boston butt on Sunday while I did yard work.
I was going to go to Menards (big box hardware/lumber yard for those unfamiliar) on both Saturday and Sunday. I made a loop around the parking lot, which was full and going in and out of the store was multiple people per cart. Let's just say I didn't darken their doorsteps. Played golf instead on Saturday and I got a lot of yard work done on Saturday afternoon and Sunday all day. Smoked a Boston butt on Sunday while I did yard work.
Menards is always busy on the weekends. I went thursday morning about 7am and it was pretty empty.
You also saw tons of images of NYC residents going outside and going shopping every day, because I guess it didn't occur to them to buy a week's worth of stuff in one trip. Also I saw multiple videos that the urban yute cop punching fad remained ongoing. So much for social distancing.Much like that cell phone data, I don't think you can make too many assumptions based off those images.
In the meantime, NYC celebrities, pundits, etc. were denigrating the deplorable rubes in flyover country for not isolating because their cell phone data showed them driving 10 miles to the store, and they even ragged on that lone paddleboarder in San Diego.
Urban areas, like New York, Detroit, and New Orleans, have been disproportionately impacted by the coronavirus with some of the highest death rates in the country. Though the death rate in the US is currently much higher in urban areas than non-metropolitan areas, there are signs that the virus has begun to spread through rural areas. Two-thirds of rural communities now have at least one confirmed case of COVID-19. Despite recent increases in rural communities, urban residents are almost twice as likely as Americans living in rural areas to know someone who has been infected with COVID-19. Americans living in rural areas are less concerned about their family members or themselves becoming infected than those in urban areas (64 percent vs. 71 percent). Urban residents are more likely to have stock piled supplies (39 percent v. 28 percent), and are significantly more pessimistic about when life will return to normal in the US.
Yeah, you can't close the hardware stores or the grocery stores, and if those are the only places open, that's where people are going to go. Or even if they're staying home, when you tell a bunch of people to stay home, they're going to start doing all those projects they've been putting off.
Maybe we should be glad all those people are shopping. If not, who knows how many more millions would be laid off by now?
Much like that cell phone data, I don't think you can make too many assumptions based off those images.Not sure I'd make too many assumptions based on that poll.
Still should be 1 person per cart/trolley/buggy as suggested.
I'm guessing that "stock piled supplies" means something very, very different to a NYC apartment dweller and someone living in rural America.
So they're recommending people not shop in groups or pairs? I have not heard of that.
So they're recommending people not shop in groups or pairs? I have not heard of that.
So they're recommending people not shop in groups or pairs? I have not heard of that.
That's been the thing. Even I know that (and I don't even watch the news)
Of course, nobody seems to pay attention too it...
Although, I can understand when you have single parents with their kids, though. They don't exactly have a lot of options for child care when doing errands.
Not sure I'd make too many assumptions based on that poll.
I'm guessing that "stock piled supplies" means something very, very different to a NYC apartment dweller and someone living in rural America.
It appears that we gave a $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan lab likely responsible for the virus release. It happened under Obama, so it won't get a lot of coverage. Not that it necessarily should, but I think we know that if it happened under Trump's watch the MSM would make it the culprit of the virus release.
https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/04/19/ummm-the-wuhan-viral-lab-suspected-of-releasing-the-covid-19-virus-was-funded-by-the-obama-administration/
“Rich fat guy sitting on a mountain of cash tells you jackasses to suck it up,” tweeted Gutfeld.
“Even richer a**-faced failed comedian who’s reduced to being the ‘wacky guy’ on geriatric GOP propaganda network would like to explain the nuance of ‘ironic swastikas’ to you,” responded Oswalt.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/comedian-patton-oswalt-mocks-anti-shutdown-protesters-recalls-anne-frank
Sounds familiar.
I like how Oswalt claims Gutfeld is "richer," but he's also a "failed comedian." Of course, that pales to the irony of him calling Gutfeld ugly...
The data analytics team at Corporate is now estimating that after things return to 'normal', our patient census will be only up to 75% or so one year out from that point. This will likely apply to many healthcare systems across the country, which means that healthcare unemployment is going to increase and stay that way.
Hmmm, does that mean 25% of needed procedures, etc won't be done or that prior to Wu-Flu 25% of all procedures were unnecessary? =|
bob
On that note, we are wondering where are all the MI, stroke, appendicitis, and diabetic crisis patients are who used to be in our ER? We are seeing drops all over the region, so they are not going to other facilities. Are people dying at home or gutting it out? What have you seen at the VA ER?
JBS (The Brazilian Devil) pork kill plant shut down a plant in Worthington, MN, I'm not sure if this plant is 10% of the daily of the US pork kill or it's closure with other means that 10% of the pork kill in the US is shuttered. The news stories or articles isn't very clear. I'm guessing that plant is 10% of the daily US hog kill because I work in part of the territory where they draw hogs from and there is a lot of hog house complexes. More so than other parts of Iowa.
JBS (The Brazilian Devil) pork kill plant shut down a plant in Worthington, MN, I'm not sure if this plant is 10% of the daily of the US pork kill or it's closure with other means that 10% of the pork kill in the US is shuttered. The news stories or articles isn't very clear. I'm guessing that plant is 10% of the daily US hog kill because I work in part of the territory where they draw hogs from and there is a lot of hog house complexes. More so than other parts of Iowa.
Things keep getting shut down and pretty soon they will be giving away a hog with every free tank of gas. ;)
bob
Does JBS shuffle employees around the country or something? I understand the working conditions at these plants make it easy for the virus to spread there but that's true of a lot of places deemed essential & still operating.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/coronavirus-jbs-meat-packing-plant-closes
https://www.wbay.com/content/news/JBS-workers-in-Green-Bay-to-get-pay-raise-enhanced-protection-during-pandemic-569788261.html
I guess I better sharpen my knives up, build a skinning table, and warn my neighbors about a dead pig or two bleeding out hanging from the ash tree in the front yard.
Do you skin hogs? We always just scalded and scraped them, and left the skin on. But that was a *long* time ago.
Do you skin hogs? We always just scalded and scraped them, and left the skin on. But that was a *long* time ago.
When I was really little, my dad and Uncle used to butcher a hog every few months as kind of a big event for our two families and because back then they were dirt poor and buying the hog still saved you decent money. They always kept the skin on and also cooked things so that the skin got crispy. Some kind of kraut redneck thing - it was one of their favorite parts of cooking up the hog.
So I heard a rumor that the closed Tyson pork plant in Columbus Junction, IA had moved asymptomatic employees to the plant in Waterloo, IA. I really don't think to highly of the management of any of the management of the big 5 meat packers, so I don't have a hard time believing this. Guess what we have a Covid-19 outbreak at the Waterloo, IA Tyson pork kill plant.
I'm trying to remember details of how we did it now; that was > 50 years ago, a couple of hogs per year. My dad did all the work and I "helped". My dad grew up on a farm (krauts) in central Texas during The Depression. I don't think we were all that poor but we lived like it, mostly. The main point of this might have been for my education.
He shot the hog between the eyes with a .22 to stun it, and then he stuck it to bleed out. I helped hold it for the sticking. I don't think he kept the blood. Then we dragged it up to the house on a sheet of plywood behind the tractor; meanwhile there was a cast iron wash-kettle full of water heating up. We poured hot water (I think it was purposely not boiling, but almost boiling. Maybe 190-ish) over it and scraped the hair off.
At some point, it got hoisted up in the joists in the garage and gutted, beheaded, and split in half lengthwise. Then hung in the homemade refrigerated smokehouse to chill.
The hams and the bacon were cured with the skin on, and probably the picnics too. The jowls made better 'bacon" than the belly meat did. The rest got skinned as we cut them up into roasts and chops (there weren't many chops) and a *lot* got ground up into sausage. We rendered all the skin to make lard and cracklin's, but we didn't eat all that much cracklin's. Maybe the dogs and chickens got most of those, I dunno. I also can't remember if we rendered the leaf fat seperately from the skin to make better lard from it.
I remember how good the pound cakes were my mom baked using fresh lard. They were entirely different from making them with butter and Crisco, or with supermarket lard.
On that note, we are wondering where are all the MI, stroke, appendicitis, and diabetic crisis patients are who used to be in our ER? We are seeing drops all over the region, so they are not going to other facilities. Are people dying at home or gutting it out? What have you seen at the VA ER?
scalding temp is 150-155F
Do y'all put lye in the scaldin' water?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsOG0ZVNftE
"Do y'all put lye in the scaldin' water?"
Never heard of using lye.
We used lime.
Between the lime and the hot pig and hair, it stank like hell.
I thought this was a pretty good point regarding who exactly is protesting lockdowns right now (and it's not about haircuts). Especially so since the NYC subway is still open, and Home Depot was crowded as heck for me yesterday. It's the senseless and arbitrary rules that allow stuff that crowds people together while citing someone on a run on a trail where no one but the cop drones are within a half mile of him. Lets everybody crowd into a subway car, but bring gov wrath down on a guy who wants to make money painting a house or something.And I hear that in NYC, the mayor is still going to parks and the gym.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/21/reaction-to-overreach-redsteeze-shuts-down-the-elites-shaming-quarantine-protesters-who-just-wont-stay-home/
"Do y'all put lye in the scaldin' water?"
Never heard of using lye.
We used lime.
Between the lime and the hot pig and hair, it stank like hell.
Coronavirus deaths greater among Fox News viewers that prefer Hannity over Tucker Carlson, study says https://t.co/xXGLPt2Wvbhttps://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/22/you-guys-are-sick-newsweek-touts-study-finding-that-sean-hannitys-viewers-are-more-likely-to-die-from-covid19-than-tucker-carlsons/
— Newsweek (@Newsweek) April 22, 2020
Don't they have anything better to do than write stuff like this, like maybe unclog toilets in Sec 8 Apartments?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/22/you-guys-are-sick-newsweek-touts-study-finding-that-sean-hannitys-viewers-are-more-likely-to-die-from-covid19-than-tucker-carlsons/
SANTA CLARA COUNTY, CA — One person in Santa Clara County died of COVID-19 more than a month earlier than officials initially thought the first death occurred, the officials said Tuesday.
The fatality is the first known COVID-19-related death in the United States.
The individual, who died Feb. 6, and two others all died before what was thought to be the first death on March 9.
The other two deaths occurred on Feb. 17 and March 6. All three people died at home.
https://patch.com/california/losgatos/sc-co-s-first-coronavirus-death-occurred-earlier-thought?
So it's California's fault.
New York state issued a blanket do-not-resuscitate directive last week instructing first-responders not to try to revive patients without a pulse amid increased call volumes and lack of resources during the coronavirus public health crisis, according to a report.
The new order is “necessary during the COVID-19 response to protect the health and safety of EMS providers by limiting their exposure, conserve resources, and ensure optimal use of equipment to save the greatest number of lives,’’ according to a memo issued last week by the state Department of Health.https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-state-instructs-paramedics-not-to-revive-cardiac-patients-amid-coronavirus-crisis-report
The new order is “necessary during the COVID-19 response to protect the health and safety of EMS providers by limiting their exposure, conserve resources, and ensure optimal use of equipment to save the greatest number of lives,’’ according to a memo issued last week by the state Department of Health.
From the article:
NY, to be clear, what you're saying is that when medical demand exceeds the resources available to treat them all, groups of government officals will allocate resources where they feel they are best utilized, even if folks that might otherwise live will die.
Sooooooo...Death Panels then. Got it.
From the article:
NY, to be clear, what you're saying is that when medical demand exceeds the resources available to treat them all, groups of government officals will allocate resources where they feel they are best utilized, even if folks that might otherwise live will die.
Sooooooo...Death Panels then. Got it.
Only about three or four out of every 100 patients found at the scene without a pulse can be revived at hospitals through CPR, or other aggressive measures, such as drugs or hospitalization, an unidentified veteran FDNY paramedic told the newspaper.
My wife does clinical education for nurses, and is an ACLS and CPR instructer.
She has told me (after a couple margaritas) that realistically just slap an AED on them and do what it says. Everything else just makes the rescuer feel better. And puts on a good show for the onlookers and family.
Add Tyson Waterloo to closed pig plants.I bought fresh whole pork tenderloin yesterday (not loin roast) for $1.49 per pound. Loin baby back ribs were only slightly reduced from the usual 2.89-2.99 to 2.59 but I'm waiting for them to drop more too.
Wonder what pork prices are going to do?
Your wife will agree with my addition.
Add Tyson Waterloo to closed pig plants.
Wonder what pork prices are going to do?
I am way, way amateurish, only speaking from the basic dive medic training I used to have to do at work, but the last few refreshers before I retired, we were pretty much instructed to just prep the environment (wet boat decks) and use the AED and call it good.
Don't they have anything better to do than write stuff like this, like maybe unclog toilets in Sec 8 Apartments?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/22/you-guys-are-sick-newsweek-touts-study-finding-that-sean-hannitys-viewers-are-more-likely-to-die-from-covid19-than-tucker-carlsons/
From the clinical perspective, here is the money quote from the article:
If people knew the crappy percentage of people in unwitnessed cardiac arrest who ended up walking out of the hospital with their cognitive abilities intact, no one would want CPR or ACLS in the field.
Italy, Britain, and Canada admitted to it...
Not sure anywhere outside of Italy that it came to fruition though. Well, maybe NYC too.
Interstate Bakery is probably going to shut down due to positive Covid 19 workers, I think Sioux City, IA or Sioux Falls, SD. Just heard it on the radio briefly. They make hostess products IIRC.
I was going to put this elsewhere, but this thread is about COVID-19, so here goes:
https://www.cnet.com/news/pandemic-drone-test-flights-will-monitor-social-distancing/
As the article states, Westport (CT) was effective ground zero for COVID-19 in Connecticut. Westport is a bedroom town, in which a large percentage of the population commutes into NYC by train daily. It's affluent, so it doesn't surprise me that their PD has been playing with drones. But ... the idea that a drone can detect my temperature, pulse and respiratory rate is unnerving, to say the least.
Apparently it's just let them die in NY now
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-state-instructs-paramedics-not-to-revive-cardiac-patients-amid-coronavirus-crisis-report
From the clinical perspective, here is the money quote from the article:
If people knew the crappy percentage of people in unwitnessed cardiac arrest who ended up walking out of the hospital with their cognitive abilities intact, no one would want CPR or ACLS in the field.
Isn't there some oath or ethic that requires DRs, RAs, EMTs, etc to at least try to resuscitate a person?
Isn't there some oath or ethic that requires DRs, RAs, EMTs, etc to at least try to resuscitate a person?
Isn't there some oath or ethic that requires DRs, RAs, EMTs, etc to at least try to resuscitate a person?
The linked article has been updated at the time of this post. The DNR orders have been rescinded. The folks that entered the order must have pissed someone off pretty seriously to have higher ups rescind it.
This also reminds me of one of my favorite healthcare recommendations: everyone here should have a living will, and as you get older/sicker/terminal, a POLST form that spells out your wishes for resuscitation and other life-saving or preserving treatment. It also would not kill you to have a durable power of attorney for healthcare, if you don't have a spouse, significant other or adult children readily available.
If you spell out your wishes, that will make the risk manager's job much easier when you are in the hospital and all of your relatives have different ideas on what should be done for you.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/two-new-york-cats-tested-positive-for-coronavirus/
So....what caliber for infected housecat?
They got it from their humans, shoot the humansI was going to say suppressed 22 LR for the cats. SS&S. Might need a bigger caliber if you take that further.
Everyone should have a living will, and explicitly tell their family their wishes.
Interesting, considering the arrests in parks, beaches, etc. while things like subways get a pass.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/23/bam-new-study-shows-covid-19-is-not-spreading-out-of-doors-most-outbreaks-occurred-in-home-or-public-transport/
How to make your own mask:
https://youtu.be/U4c5eo_3-y0
Am I the only one who remembers her from MadTV?
You might be the only one who remembers MadTV.
An academic journal projects that deaths of 65-and-over Republican voters in several swing states will far exceed those of Democrats.
“The pandemic is going to take a greater toll on the conservative electorate leading into this election — and that’s simply just a calculation of age,” Andrew Johnson, the lead author and a professor of management at Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi, said in an interview. “The virus is killing more older voters, and in many states that’s the key to a GOP victory.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249875/Wuhan-laboratory-scientists-did-absolutely-crazy-things-alter-coronavirus.htmlInteresting. If true, I am curious how long they have been doing it.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249875/Wuhan-laboratory-scientists-did-absolutely-crazy-things-alter-coronavirus.html
'They did absolutely crazy things, in my opinion.
'For example, inserts in the genome, which gave the virus the ability to infect human cells.
'Now all this has been analysed.
'The picture of the possible creation of the current coronavirus is slowly emerging.'
He told Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper: 'There are several inserts, that is, substitutions of the natural sequence of the genome, which gave it special properties.
It's too early to blame anyone.
From the article:
Then later in the article:
Is it, though?
I'm sorry, back in January and February, I was told that the virus CLEARLY showed no signs of manipulation by humans, and so HAD to have come from nature.
(Whether or not either is true, I have no idea, but I was quite curious as to how they determined that information so quickly.)
I wouldn't trust the analysis of a Russian on the virus as far as I could throw him. Pitting us against China takes the heat off Russia's shenanigans.
I think people forget a lot of things. When Covid-19 really reared it's ugly head, there was a prediction of what % of the infected were going to be die to Covid-19, the shutdowns weren't about saving any of those predicted deaths, it was about not having them all getting sick and dying at the same time and overloading the hospitals. It's still a very contagious disease and before people start bitching about the shutdowns, maybe reflect on that shutdowns seem to be working in slowing the spread.It was also supposed to be two weeks.
It was also supposed to be two weeks.
I think people forget a lot of things. When Covid-19 really reared it's ugly head, there was a prediction of what % of the infected were going to be die to Covid-19, the shutdowns weren't about saving any of those predicted deaths, it was about not having them all getting sick and dying at the same time and overloading the hospitals. It's still a very contagious disease and before people start bitching about the shutdowns, maybe reflect on that shutdowns seem to be working in slowing the spread.
I think people forget a lot of things. When Covid-19 really reared it's ugly head, there was a prediction of what % of the infected were going to be die to Covid-19, the shutdowns weren't about saving any of those predicted deaths, it was about not having them all getting sick and dying at the same time and overloading the hospitals. It's still a very contagious disease and before people start bitching about the shutdowns, maybe reflect on that shutdowns seem to be working in slowing the spread.
I don't recall anything about just two weeks in my state, even in mid-march, it was talked about at least 4-6 weeks. Schools were closed 4 weeks first.
Except the predictions of numbers of fatalities were supposed to already reflect the shutdowns and social distancing.
Now, to claim we aren't having anywhere near the number of deaths or infections because of the shutdowns is post-hoc justification of wrong models.
The models are wrong. I am not angry about that- an unknown virus is bound to cause all kinds of issues with trying to predict its danger.
So we acted hastily and mistakenly on wrong models. It sucks, but that happens.
My problem is that NOW, it seems no one wants to open things back up because SOME PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!!
Well, yes, and that's going to happen whether we do it now or do it later. The difference will ONLY be in how many people die of starvation, despair, or deprivation due to the economic consequences.
According to the "experts" we can't just beat the virus. Whenever we open back up it will spread again.
If that's the case, then let's do it now to avoid the deaths that economic turmoil will cause.
(And don't get me started on the treating of Strasburg, VA the same as Faifax, VA. Substitute your state's rural and urban areas to apply to your situation.)
Except the predictions of numbers of fatalities were supposed to already reflect the shutdowns and social distancing.
Now, to claim we aren't having anywhere near the number of deaths or infections because of the shutdowns is post-hoc justification of wrong models.
The models are wrong. I am not angry about that- an unknown virus is bound to cause all kinds of issues with trying to predict its danger.
So we acted hastily and mistakenly on wrong models. It sucks, but that happens.
My problem is that NOW, it seems no one wants to open things back up because SOME PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!!
Well, yes, and that's going to happen whether we do it now or do it later. The difference will ONLY be in how many people die of starvation, despair, or deprivation due to the economic consequences.
According to the "experts" we can't just beat the virus. Whenever we open back up it will spread again.
If that's the case, then let's do it now to avoid the deaths that economic turmoil will cause.
(And don't get me started on the treating of Strasburg, VA the same as Faifax, VA. Substitute your state's rural and urban areas to apply to your situation.)
Iowa was chugging along quite nicely not really having outbreaks other than in nursing homes, then bam essential workers of the packing plants started getting Covid-19 in significant numbers. Many packing house employees due to lower wages live in close quarters with multiple residents and multiple generations, usually both spouses have to work so it's easy to spread it around from the hot spot. I think May is going to be really shitty in Iowa and other states with a lot of meat packing plants.
So what you're saying is that certain professions are more dangerous than others and maybe we ought to do something about allowing the skirting employment and housing regulations with regard to illegals?
Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.
My problem is that NOW, it seems no one wants to open things back up because SOME PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!!
Well, yes, and that's going to happen whether we do it now or do it later. The difference will ONLY be in how many people die of starvation, despair, or deprivation due to the economic consequences.
According to the "experts" we can't just beat the virus. Whenever we open back up it will spread again.
Testing, contact tracing, and quarantining infected & exposed individuals can greatly reduce the spread of the virus and doing that effectively will result in fewer deaths. See South Korea.
Part of the reason for shutting down was to significantly increase those capabilities while slowing the rate of new infections. We were way behind where we needed to be and the idea was to pause while those systems get caught up. Stuff like this too (https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-lived-in-factory-for-month-raw-ppe-materials-2020-4).
Are we caught up enough yet (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-update-u-s-testing-increases-deaths-fall) that it won't get out of control? According the "experts" we aren't but it's a judgement call.
I don't know if we're caught up enough. We are, at 20-some-million, unemployed enough.
My wife and I were discussing tonight and we expect it will be a long road back for restaurants: even after the lockdown is ended, people won't be flocking to pack into a restaurant for some time.
My wife and I were discussing tonight and we expect it will be a long road back for restaurants: even after the lockdown is ended, people won't be flocking to pack into a restaurant for some time.
Interesting thread on vaccine development. I was unaware of the past research of coronavirus in animals. The researcher indicates they have been trying to find viable animal vaccines for decades.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/25/chief-science-officer-of-angstrom-bio-explains-the-challenges-to-developing-a-vaccine-for-covid-19/
My wife and I were discussing tonight and we expect it will be a long road back for restaurants: even after the lockdown is ended, people won't be flocking to pack into a restaurant for some time.
Except the predictions of numbers of fatalities were supposed to already reflect the shutdowns and social distancing.
Now, to claim we aren't having anywhere near the number of deaths or infections because of the shutdowns is post-hoc justification of wrong models.
The models are wrong. I am not angry about that- an unknown virus is bound to cause all kinds of issues with trying to predict its danger.
So we acted hastily and mistakenly on wrong models. It sucks, but that happens.
These would be the same models that were used to predict the effects of the SARS and MERS pandemics. SARS and MERS are kissing cousins of COVID-19.
We never learn from history.
Lime? Water too soft?
That kind of stuff makes my tinfoil hat start warming up. Are the lock down restrictions about keeping people safe or are they about seeing how far they can push a docile public with draconian restrictions on their liberty?
Interesting. If true, I am curious how long they have been doing it.
That kind of stuff makes my tinfoil hat start warming up. Are the lock down restrictions about keeping people safe or are they about seeing how far they can push a docile public with draconian restrictions on their liberty?
Think of how many lives might have been saved, if we'd banned fishing a long time ago.
56k deaths in the US so far from Covid-19
Bullshit
What I heard in the news at noon, if you can show me a non "Rush/Beck/Jones/any pundit/TMZ/WND/etc" news article that shows differently, I will believe you.
What I heard in the news at noon, if you can show me a non "Rush/Beck/Jones/any pundit/TMZ/WND/etc" news article that shows differently, I will believe you.
They *have* to lie -- pad the numbers to make up for the undiagnosed cases. :facepalm:
Think of how many lives might have been saved, if we'd banned fishing a long time ago.
See my video in the facebook group from the woman running the covid 19 response in the state, Illinois isn't even lying about what they are doing. They spelled out clearly that all people who die while infected regardless of real reason of death will be considered a covid 19 death if the virus is present. The video is right from the horsefaces mouth.
The numbers are bullshit.
My friend Chuck was coded as a covid-19 death despite the comorbidities of a smoker with COPD, in his 80's, taking a fall sending him to the hospital and being diagnosed with pneumonia.
Ben remarked,
"I tend to apply Occam's razor and just attribute it to both stupidity and power tripping. Yet, it does show both how far they can push and how much people will stand."
Related to that:
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience has shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
Terry
I thought that video was supposed to be a joke, well it still fits with pundit/not a credible source category.
During Gov. JB Pritzker's health briefing on Sunday, Dr. Ngozi Ezike, the Illinois Department of Public Health director, said anyone who had COVID-19 at the time of death, even if the person died of other causes, is counted among the COVID deaths.
COVID-19 Alert No. 2
March 24, 2020
New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths
This email is to alert you that a newly-introduced ICD code has been implemented to accurately capture mortality data
for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) on death certificates.
Please read carefully and forward this email to the state statistical staff in your office who are involved in the
preparation of mortality data, as well as others who may receive questions when the data are released.
What is the new code?
The new ICD code for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) is U07.1, and below is how it will appear in formal tabular
list format.
U07.1 COVID-19
Excludes: Coronavirus infection, unspecified site (B34.2)
Severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS], unspecified (U04.9)
The WHO has provided a second code, U07.2, for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a
laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available. Because laboratory test results are not typically
reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.
When will it be implemented?
Immediately.
Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?
The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate.
However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID19
being
the
underlying
cause
more
often
than
not.
What happens if certifiers report terms other than the suggested terms?
If a death certificate reports coronavirus without identifying a specific strain or explicitly specifying that it is
not COVID-19, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify whether or not the coronavirus was COVID-19.
As long as the phrase used indicates the 2019 coronavirus strain, NCHS expects to assign the new code.
However, it is preferable and more straightforward for certifiers to use the standard terminology (COVID-19).
What happens if the terms reported on the death certificate indicate uncertainty?
If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be
assigned the new ICD code. It Is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases.
If “pending COVID-19 testing” is reported on the death certificate, this would be considered a pending record.
In this scenario, NCHS would expect to receive an updated record, since the code will likely result in R99. In
this case, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify if test results confirmed that the decedent had COVID19.
Do I need to make any changes at the jurisdictional level to accommodate the new ICD code?
Not necessarily, but you will want to confirm that your systems and programs do not behave as if U07.1 is an
unknown code.
Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?
COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is
assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based
on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic
conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part
II. (See attached Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths)
Steven Schwartz, PhD
Director – Division of Vital Statistics
National Center for Health Statistics
3311 Toledo Rd | Hyattsville, MD 20782
Seems many of the same people who were screaming Orange Bad Man for not enough testing are now screaming Orange Man bad for increased testing because the tests are unreliable
:facepalm:
I have seen convincing arguments both ways about the deaths being over/under counted.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-crisis-21000-more-deaths-than-normal-in-new-york-city-since-march
Without enough testing it's pretty hard to get an accurate picture and it doesn't make much sense to use a test on a person who died of an unknown respiratory illness when the living need those tests a lot more.
Dogs now
Family dog in N.C. may be first to test positive for coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/04/28/family-dog-nc-may-be-first-test-positive-coronavirus/
If you aren't convinced by them admitting in writing and on video that they are padding the numbers then I don't know what other facts could possibly sway you into seeing reality.
The arguments about undercounting are all models, projections and probabilities ie not concrete reality.
We get it you hate models. For us that work in STEM fields we use models as a prediction tools all of the time. As I just typed it's a prediction, just like a theory is until is proven to be fact.
I'm not surprised. I also doubt that it's serious in dogs or cats (but likely different between them)
Transmission from one dog to another is probably unlikely, so I'm not sure why this is news. Dogs to people in a household, sure, but you gave the disease to the dog in the first place, so dogs aren't really much of a vector.
The arguments about undercounting are all models, projections and probabilities ie not concrete reality.???
Financial Times compared the number of deaths (from all causes) in 14 countries for March and April 2020 with death numbers for these countries over the same period of time in 2015–2019. Regardless of whether the COVID-19 death rate is 0.1 percent or three times that high, the new coronavirus is drastically driving up deaths.
"Some of these deaths may be the result of causes other than Covid-19, as people avoid hospitals for other ailments," the newspaper notes. "But excess mortality has risen most steeply in places suffering the worst Covid-19 outbreaks, suggesting most of these deaths are directly related to the virus rather than simply side-effects of lockdowns."
???
NYC experienced thousands of “excess deaths” from mid-March to late-April. That's not a forward looking prediction model, it's a comparison to previous years with solid data.
They attributed about ~16.5k of those to Covid19, or about 75% of them. You can argue that they shouldn't attribute that many to the new virus but the excess deaths are not some statistical trickery.
I don't hate models.
I hate that "experts" and politicians use a sleight of hand trick and fool the public into thinking that the models reflect reality, they don't.
Models reflect the underlying biases of the modeler.
They are used to build narratives and consensus that aren't built on reality.
There is no humility.
They need to use more models to get a trend line, not just one particular model. Like when they post all the computer models of a predicted hurricane path, they usually use a dozen or more, a trend is pretty obvious when the hurricane is going to go, but there are always outliers. Using the outlier may fit their agenda but they aren't being truthful.
Now it is beginning to look like the bad, incomplete data is actually a feature not a "bug" for politicians hell bent on cratering the country.
The only people you should be pointing your finger at are those who keep voting for incumbents regardless of party. People need to stop being party loyal too. The parties and elected people don't care about us. Primaries are coming, vote the incumbent out.
The sheep are stupid so have an excuse but the shepherds are evil and know damn well what they are doing.
Just like all "news" pundits, they know what they are doing and know what bullscat to shovel to their listeners. Listeners willing lap it up too.
https://www.facebook.com/drericnepute/posts/2625920074322788
Which segues into the following:
More misinformation from the MSM: Today on "CBS This Morning," Gail King spouted misinformation about flying in an airliner and how it is so dangerous because the air in the plane is recirculated. Actually, the air in airliners is constantly refreshed using bleed air from the compressor sections of the jet engines (Some use electric compressors sucking in outside air.). Its how the airliners are pressurized. Air enters the cabin(and cockpit) from the engines after it passes through a turbo-cooler/inter-cooler that allows the high pressure hot air to expand which lowers the pressure and regulates the temperature of the air. The air enters the cabin and then the cabin pressure is regulated by outflow valves.
The air in a typical airliner is actually replaced 10 to 15 times an hour (every 4 to 6 minutes) which is about 5 times faster than in an operating room in a hospital any WAY more often in some places like Walmart, or your local grocery store. That leads me to believe your chances of catching someone else's sniffles on an airliner are at least 10 times less than in Walmart and about 5 times less than in an operating room!
WILL SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO THE MSM PLEASE INFORM THEM OF WHAT GOES ON IN AN AIRLINER THAT THEIR IGNORANCE AND LACK OF RESEARCH HAS REVEALED!
Woody
Which segues into the following:
More misinformation from the MSM: Today on "CBS This Morning," Gail King spouted misinformation about flying in an airliner and how it is so dangerous because the air in the plane is recirculated. Actually, the air in airliners is constantly refreshed using bleed air from the compressor sections of the jet engines (Some use electric compressors sucking in outside air.). Its how the airliners are pressurized. Air enters the cabin(and cockpit) from the engines after it passes through a turbo-cooler/inter-cooler that allows the high pressure hot air to expand which lowers the pressure and regulates the temperature of the air. The air enters the cabin and then the cabin pressure is regulated by outflow valves.
The air in a typical airliner is actually replaced 10 to 15 times an hour (every 4 to 6 minutes) which is about 5 times faster than in an operating room in a hospital any WAY more often in some places like Walmart, or your local grocery store. That leads me to believe your chances of catching someone else's sniffles on an airliner are at least 10 times less than in Walmart and about 5 times less than in an operating room!
WILL SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO THE MSM PLEASE INFORM THEM OF WHAT GOES ON IN AN AIRLINER THAT THEIR IGNORANCE AND LACK OF RESEARCH HAS REVEALED!
Woody
They need to use more models to get a trend line, not just one particular model. Like when they post all the computer models of a predicted hurricane path, they usually use a dozen or more, a trend is pretty obvious when the hurricane is going to go, but there are always outliers. Using the outlier may fit their agenda but they aren't being truthful.
Hurricane models may not be the best example. The models are mostly very inaccurate more than a couple days in the future. No one ever evacuates until the storm is real close. At that point, the models can have less error but even then storms are unpredictable. Some go straight in as predicted, but others don't.
???
NYC experienced thousands of “excess deaths” from mid-March to late-April. That's not a forward looking prediction model, it's a comparison to previous years with solid data.
They attributed about ~16.5k of those to Covid19, or about 75% of them. You can argue that they shouldn't attribute that many to the new virus but the excess deaths are not some statistical trickery.
Tragic. I wonder how many of those deaths would not have happened, if the city were still open for business.
Bravo. I think you were being sarcastic, but it's a legitimate question that should be studied and probably won't be because it doesn't fit the narrative.
No, not being sarcastic. The deaths from the virus are real, and so are the side effects of the Great Lock-down.
1) Change everything at once
2) Observe what happens
3) Attribute the results to your favorite theory and ignore other possibilies
4) Profit!
Hurricane models may not be the best example. The models are mostly very inaccurate more than a couple days in the future. No one ever evacuates until the storm is real close. At that point, the models can have less error but even then storms are unpredictable. Some go straight in as predicted, but others don't.
Actually a they are a great example: 40 models that all say something different, the results can vary by an order of magnitude, reality does not conform to any of them, and the people that build them think they are useful.
Having lived in FL for almost 20 years, and as a professional mariner that has dogged storms for a living, the hurricane models don't predict anything that an observant person with an isobaric chart couldn't.
Bathroom monitors to make sure everyone washes their hands it just creepy and a waste of payroll.
Or install a toe-kick opener so you can open the door with your foot.
I would use those, but the only kind I ever see are like this. (https://www.restroomdirect.com/footpull_door_opener.aspx?gclid=CjwKCAjwqJ_1BRBZEiwAv73uwBug9rLQRF4AmdipZC3XDuopVbzYczh8h6q22fzHf4RDcXctySRDMhoCcYgQAvD_BwE) Don't want to scratch up my boots, thanks.
I know there are better ones (https://moonlikepaper.com/products/foot-operated-door-opener?variant=33217063616648¤cy=USD), though.
Notice the better one is cheaper ;) I saw one recently that was somewhere in between.
What bugs me (and did a little even before the current mess) is restroom doors that open in, and there's no button on the wall to open it (like for handicaps), no toe opener, and they got rid of all the paper towels and put in a blow dryer instead. So there's no way to open the door without grabbing the nasty handle. Which means everybody else before you grabbed nasty door handle too. (that should be a health code violation)
"We are not going back to the way things were until we get to immunity or a vaccine," Newsom said. "We will base reopening plans on facts and data, not on ideology. Not what we want. Not what we hope."https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/politics/california-phased-reopening-plan/index.html
Looks like sciency California plans on being locked down for a long time:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/politics/california-phased-reopening-plan/index.html
Remember the woman who told the media that Trump killed her husband after her husband allegedly drank fish tank cleaner containing chloroquine phosphate at Trump’s urging? Police are now investigating whether that man was killed by his wife. https://t.co/S6lH5UiH1Z
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) April 29, 2020
Lucy, you've got some 'splaining to do!
Police department’s homicide division investigating case of man who died after ingesting fish-tank cleaner
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/28/police-departments-homicide-division-investigating-case-of-man-who-died-after-ingesting-fish-tank-cleaner/
https://www.theblaze.com/news/south-dakotans-throw-a-parade-for-gov-kristi-noem-who-refused-to-shut-down-their-state
How long until the blue checks call it a Klan rally?
https://www.theblaze.com/news/south-dakotans-throw-a-parade-for-gov-kristi-noem-who-refused-to-shut-down-their-state
How long until the blue checks call it a Klan rally?
Campus is having committee meetings to try and get Research back on track. Everyone involved has "great ideas" that are are either logistically unfeasible or organizationally unrealistic. Simple things like limiting the number of people in areas and putting sanitizer stations outside bathrooms/lab entrances are being poo-poo'd as "not doing enough". The ideas that aren't getting shot down are straight from the Overreaction For Dummies handbook (Example: Propping bathroom doors open and posting monitoring staff to make sure people are washing their hands properly). Most depend entirely on immediate and consistent PPE availability, PPE which is currently unavailable in anything resembling necessary quantities (though they somehow think that thrice daily "reminders" to Purchasing about how important this is will somehow make more product miraculously appear). They necessitate the creation of a team structure which not only does not currently exist, it will take 4-6 weeks to develop and roll out. They also don't take into account the bulk of product necessary, the manpower needs involved, and the policing that will be involved for the programs to last more than a few days before people are so tire of the rigmarole that they start ignoring it altogether. At best, it will be implemented by mid-June, by which time the hysteria will have died down and attentions turned to whatever Emergency du Jour the media has concocted for Summer.
TLDR version: Whatever plan they come up with will take too long to implement, be too cumbersome to sustain, and will go into effect too late. It will be, at best, an annoyance that lets them claim to have done something.
I've exhausted my supply of shits to give for today.
Brad
Notice the better one is cheaper ;) I saw one recently that was somewhere in between.
What bugs me (and did a little even before the current mess) is restroom doors that open in, and there's no button on the wall to open it (like for handicaps), no toe opener, and they got rid of all the paper towels and put in a blow dryer instead. So there's no way to open the door without grabbing the nasty handle. Which means everybody else before you grabbed nasty door handle too. (that should be a health code violation)
Notice the better one is cheaper ;) I saw one recently that was somewhere in between.
What bugs me (and did a little even before the current mess) is restroom doors that open in, and there's no button on the wall to open it (like for handicaps), no toe opener, and they got rid of all the paper towels and put in a blow dryer instead. So there's no way to open the door without grabbing the nasty handle. Which means everybody else before you grabbed nasty door handle too. (that should be a health code violation)
So more government?He's on your side now!
Wrong state for that
Wrong century and wrong political party, but that doesn't stop them.
???Tragic. I wonder how many of those deaths would not have happened, if the city were still open for business.
NYC experienced thousands of “excess deaths” from mid-March to late-April. That's not a forward looking prediction model, it's a comparison to previous years with solid data.
They attributed about ~16.5k of those to Covid19, or about 75% of them. You can argue that they shouldn't attribute that many to the new virus but the excess deaths are not some statistical trickery.
He's on your side now!
Which segues into the following:
More misinformation from the MSM: Today on "CBS This Morning," Gail King spouted misinformation about flying in an airliner and how it is so dangerous because the air in the plane is recirculated. Actually, the air in airliners is constantly refreshed using bleed air from the compressor sections of the jet engines (Some use electric compressors sucking in outside air.). Its how the airliners are pressurized. Air enters the cabin(and cockpit) from the engines after it passes through a turbo-cooler/inter-cooler that allows the high pressure hot air to expand which lowers the pressure and regulates the temperature of the air. The air enters the cabin and then the cabin pressure is regulated by outflow valves.
The air in a typical airliner is actually replaced 10 to 15 times an hour (every 4 to 6 minutes) which is about 5 times faster than in an operating room in a hospital any WAY more often in some places like Walmart, or your local grocery store. That leads me to believe your chances of catching someone else's sniffles on an airliner are at least 10 times less than in Walmart and about 5 times less than in an operating room!
WILL SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO THE MSM PLEASE INFORM THEM OF WHAT GOES ON IN AN AIRLINER THAT THEIR IGNORANCE AND LACK OF RESEARCH HAS REVEALED!
Woody
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The ideas that aren't getting shot down are straight from the Overreaction For Dummies handbook (Example: Propping bathroom doors open and posting monitoring staff to make sure people are washing their hands properly).
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Brad
We need to recognize that campus life will be different when we return in the fall. Over the last few weeks, we have been closely monitoring the national landscape while several groups have been developing and analyzing various scenarios to bring our students, faculty, and staff back to campus. Social distancing and safety protocols will be critical as we return to our classrooms, labs, and residence halls. Our plans will also include recommendations regarding the use of protective masks, testing and contact-tracing, and other tools. We are developing several ways to reduce the density of groups in our student facilities, large lecture-based classrooms, and our popular campus areas. These same plans extend to special events, including athletics.
So more government?
??? There already is a health code.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi this week floated the possibility of a guaranteed minimum income as part of a potential Phase 4 response to the coronavirus crisis -- an idea being pushed by left-wing members of the Democratic Party such as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY., and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.
Ocasio-Cortez has called for $2,000 in monthly payments to all families, regardless of immigration status, and $1,000 per child. She was joined by Progressive Caucus leaders and fellow Democratic Reps. Pramila Jayapal of Washington, Mark Pocan of Wisconsin, and "squad members" Reps. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts, and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and activists in demanding an even costlier version of the economic stimulus.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-guaranteed-minimum-income-coronavirus-response
Never let a crises go to wastehttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-guaranteed-minimum-income-coronavirus-response
Apparently the US epicenter for the virus has not been disinfecting their subway cars this whole time?!? Seems like a good reason to tell them to go to hell with that ~$10 billion in federal aid DeBlasio is demanding.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/29/a-little-late-gov-cuomo-finally-orders-nyc-to-disinfect-the-subway-cars-every-night/
True, but do you need to turn it in to a laundry list of Karen's ideas?
Cuz up til now all the health codes were super libertarian and manly and stuff.
I don't get a lot of this "plus $1000 per child stuff" they are pushing, mostly because they are the same people that always say we are overpopulated and need to stop having kids. You'd thing they would want to disincentivize it.
Though in their defensive, it would be difficult to pass restricting the $1000/child payment to non-whites only.
The race is on and researchers at Oxford are doing vital, life-saving work. But races have winners and losers. If my university is the first to develop the vaccine, I’m worried that it will be used as it has been in the past, to fulfil its political, patriotic function as proof of British excellence.
The story will be clear: China, once again, has unleashed a threat to civilisation. But the best brains of the UK have saved the world.
Whilst I’m hopeful that I will be able to visit my Dad soon, this must not overshadow the key lesson of coronavirus: international cooperation saves lives.
Dr Emily Cousens researches vulnerability and gender
some make sense, some are WTF. Nothing libertarian about any health code.
Then I guess you can't Karenize something that's already Karened.
Some genius who "teaches" at Oxford is all worried that a British institution will be the hero, instead of globalism.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/accurate-us-coronavirus-death-count-experts-off-tens/story?id=70385359
An interesting article about establishing an accurate death count of COVID-19.
I'm assuming Wisonsin has LE take an oath to the constitution when they are sworn in? Doesn't look like it took.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/29/totalitarian-garbage-video-shows-officers-giving-wisconsin-mom-a-warning-for-allowing-daughter-to-play-at-neighbors-house-during-stay-at-home-order/
MSM wants us to enact more government control, China style.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/29/cnn-analysis-for-some-chinas-model-of-control-is-looking-increasingly-attractive/
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/accurate-us-coronavirus-death-count-experts-off-tens/story?id=70385359
An interesting article about establishing an accurate death count of COVID-19.
There's another aspect -- we don't have any data on recoveries. The protocol for "officially" establishing that someone has recovered is two negative tests, taken 24 hours apart. We don't have enough testing capacity yet to test people who may be infected -- the incoming side of the bell curve. So we have NO capacity for testing people on the other side, those who are (hopefully) recovered. And, until we establish reliable testing for recoveries ... we have NO IDEA how many active cases there are in the country.
I'm assuming Wisonsin has LE take an oath to the constitution when they are sworn in? Doesn't look like it took.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/29/totalitarian-garbage-video-shows-officers-giving-wisconsin-mom-a-warning-for-allowing-daughter-to-play-at-neighbors-house-during-stay-at-home-order/
That is absolutely chilling. They even pulled the "we've got your name on the list of uncooperatives" ploy.
One thing Iowa has been trying their best, just numbers on # positive cases, # in hospital beds, # dead, # recovered. and # of available ICU every day. Right now Iowa is about 35% recovered and 2.1% positive have become fatalities.
Numbers
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A city in Sweden plans on spreading 2,000 pounds of chicken manure to deter festival crowds descending on the area Thursday amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Tens of thousands of people typically travel to the Swedish city of Lund in celebration of Walpurgis Night, a festival that also sees parties and bonfires scattered across Europe. Officials believe the smell of manure will help detract people from the gathering, which is classified as "spontaneous," so it can't be banned by authorities.
South Korea, which waged an early battle against COVID-19 after the disease emerged from China, said on Thursday that it had no new domestic cases for the first time since a surge nearly 10 weeks ago.Good for them!
The country experienced its first case on Jan. 20, but didn't see infections ramp up until mid-February. They peaked on Feb. 29 with 909 daily cases and have been trending down ever since.
The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported just four new coronavirus infections on Thursday, all of them cases that came from outside the country.
A foul smell outside a Brooklyn funeral home led to the discovery of dozens of bodies kept in unrefrigerated rented U-Haul trucks, as well as additional bodies lying on the floor inside the establishment.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/50-bodies-found-in-u-haul-trucks-outside-new-york-city-funeral-home
I honestly can't blame them, they must be overwhelmed. At least they were keeping them cool and not rotting away outdoors.
Muh constitutionz! Keep hearing this bleating all over facebook, and somewhat here, too.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
States have elected representatives who have passed emergency powers laws. This is how they enforce curfews after hurricanes and earthquakes, and how they quell riots.
Right, wrong, or indifferent, this is the facts.
This is not a great argument. The Bill of rights has been [mostly] incorporated to the states. Things like the free exercise of religion (Easter Mass), or the right to peaceably assemble, both to petition for a redress of grievances and "to associate with others in pursuit of a wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious, and cultural ends" [Roberts v. United States Jaycees] are pretty firmly established as protected, and that prohibition on violating that right absolutely applies to the states, regardless of what their elected representatives may think.
I know there are emergency powers laws, and I know why, but the First Amendment gets Strict Scrutiny (at least the religious parts), and this level of interference has definitely not been litigated. SO it's fair to say "Muh constitutionz!" because it very likely that at minimum the banning of religious services by the states is unconstitutional. Free assembly is an important right, as Hong Kong could probably tell you right now.
I recognize that I am in a minority (of the US) but no one ever promised Freedom was safe. If Freedom, and not letting the state (or States) run roughshod means there is a measurable increase in deaths from any number of things than that's what it means. For the same reason that we shouldn't let the States limit shitty food, or not exercising, or taking drugs, or unprotected sex, or anyone of a number of things that cause death or spread disease we shouldn't let State legislatures tell us we can or can't leave our houses or BBQ with friends. Sorry, not sorry.
A foul smell outside a Brooklyn funeral home led to the discovery of dozens of bodies kept in unrefrigerated rented U-Haul trucks
Do we really have to go through this every day? :'(
I actually agree.Then maybe encourage the people who are noticing government overreach - possibly for the first time - instead of making them out to be bleating sheep?
What has been exposed, however, is the dots from representative government to the laws they pass including emergency powers, to how they can actually be applied and used.
It's kind of a made our bed moment.
Muh constitutionz! Keep hearing this bleating all over facebook, and somewhat here, too.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
States have elected representatives who have passed emergency powers laws. This is how they enforce curfews after hurricanes and earthquakes, and how they quell riots.
Right, wrong, or indifferent, this is the facts.
I actually agree.The other part is that our elected representatives have appointed judges that are either very reluctant to put any limits on the power of govt or they cheer them on.
What has been exposed, however, is the dots from representative government to the laws they pass including emergency powers, to how they can actually be applied and used.
It's kind of a made our bed moment.
This year, Cinco de Mayo falls on Taco Tuesday, but it got cancelled by a virus named for a Mexican beer.
My wife went to our local Costco on Thursday, and there was no toilet paper, nor any fresh or frozen chicken. She likes keeping a bag of the Costco individual cyrovac packed boneless skinless chicken breasts in the freezer. None to be had, or any other chicken parts.
I wonder how many people spread the flu who didn't show symptoms...
I'd sure like to get to the bottom of all this hype. The death rate doesn't warrant the panic, fear mongering, and dictates.
That depends on where you live. My county alone has 7,900 confirmed cases and 533 deaths. That's since the second week of March, so eight weeks. Population is around 850,000, so the death rate is 6.75% of cases, and .06% of the total population.
I guess everybody had better keep hoarding toilet paper. These guys say it will take up to two years for global herd immunity.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-01/covid-19-pandemic-likely-to-last-two-years-report-says
The problem is with the number of "confirmed cases".
The actual number of total cases is unknown but we have seen reports from a couple of places that put the suspected total of cases higher by a factor of 10 or more.
I suspect that if we ever get enough testing capacity to cover a significant portion of the population we will find that huge numbers of people carry the anitbody with out ever experiencing any symptoms or had very minor symptoms.
Basically ... we're flying blind.
I'd like to hear input from our medical professionals on this, but how much is testing capacity related to $$$? I wonder if money would have been better spent instead of giving $1200 checks and unemployment that pays more than people's jobs, had it been put into vastly increasing and speeding up testing? Or even if we put a bajillion dollars into it, would there still be other significant bottlenecks?You raise a good question. Our politicians were in a rush to throw money out there hey not because it’s an election year.
The way some new information is looking regarding how many untested people may have had the virus, including with symptoms too mild to notice, the infection vs mortality rate might have let us reopen things a month ago.
For myself, on days in the last couple of months that I've had a little cough or a runny nose, I was wondering if it was just pollen or hey, [paranoid] did I catch the virus? Had there been a quick and easy way for me to get a test (both for the virus and for antibodies), I would have already had myself tested just for the heck of it. With all the restrictions on who can be tested, due to the lack of testing materials and personnel, there was no easy way for me to do that.
I have a part time employee that only wanted to work 2-2.5 days a week or 16-20 hours for the past 3 years. She has never been more than just adequate as an employee. She was averaging around $200 a week pre pandemic. Now she doesn’t want to come back because she got her $1200 impact bonus and is getting unemployment PLUS another $600 per week for being such a pitiful victim of unemployment. IF I tell her we need her back and she says she has concerns about working with the public (she has asthma) or gets sick or has a sick family member, I could be required to pay her full wages for up to 80 hours plus a bunch of other expenses possibly including work comp. and I have to provide PPE etc.
New Mexico Gov. Lujan Grisham invoked the state’s Riot Control Act to slow the spread of coronavirus and sealed off the roads into and out of the hard-hit city of Gallup, she announced Friday.
To help control a surging outbreak in the city, the Democratic governor locked down the city at the request of Gallup’s mayor, Grisham said in a news release.
Beginning noon Friday, all roads into the city were shut down and businesses were required to close from 5 p.m. until 8 a.m. in the city of 70,000. Additionally, only two people are allowed in a vehicle at the same time.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-orders-roads-closed-gallup-stop-coronavirus-spread
The problem is with the number of "confirmed cases".
The actual number of total cases is unknown but we have seen reports from a couple of places that put the suspected total of cases higher by a factor of 10 or more.
I suspect that if we ever get enough testing capacity to cover a significant portion of the population we will find that huge numbers of people carry the anitbody with out ever experiencing any symptoms or had very minor symptoms.
Are you saying that you could be required to pay full-time wages to someone who has always been a half-time (or less) employee? That doesn't make sense. (But ... we're talking government rules, so who said it has to make sense/)No. Her usual wages up to 80 hours
Sheep make a lot of noise when they are being herded.
The new spin is that “open” rallies are rooted in white privilege and racism, and that it’s modern day slavery to expect people to go back to work...
The new spin is that “open” rallies are rooted in white privilege and racism, and that it’s modern day slavery to expect people to go back to work...
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer slammed the protesters who gathered inside the state's Capitol building on Thursday to demand she rescind her stay-at-home orders, saying they represented the “worst racism and awful parts” of U.S. history.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michigans-whitmer-says-armed-protesters-displayed-worst-racism-and-awful-parts-of-u-s-history
“Some of the outrageousness of what happened at our capitol depicted some of the worst racism and awful parts of our history in this country,” Whitmer said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.”
“The behavior you've seen in all of the clips is not representative of who we are in Michigan,” she added.
Yeah, just saw this on foxnews
But they're been using the Everyone I don't like Is Racist tact for awhile
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michigans-whitmer-says-armed-protesters-displayed-worst-racism-and-awful-parts-of-u-s-history
The MSM take is that these people stormed and raided the MI state house, and are terrorists. Yet if you watch videos of the event, the "armed raiders" were standing in line waiting for LE to take their temperatures and admit them, and saying "please" and "thank you". LE looked to be cool with things as well.
Many on the left have been trying to turn this whole C19 thing into a white vs black race issue since day one.
Like that it’s “hitting minority populations harder than whites”
Here in VA several black churches in Richmond ignored the social distancing guidelines and held service. Guess who had a pastor die?
Many on the left have been trying to turn this whole C19 thing into a white vs black race issue since day one.
Many on the left have been trying to turn this whole C19 thing into a white vs black race issue since day one.
I know shutting off an entire town has been discussed. Not sure if it was in this thread or not. If this would be better in a separate thread then please move it.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gallup-new-mexico-riot-control-act-roads-closed-coronavirus/
Gallop NM has been shut off (all roads) via checkpoints.
Are they blocking I-40?
Sitting in your home office, well supplied with all the necessities by untouchable delivery people, please spare us the “we’re all in this together” pablum. You are sitting in comfortable self-protection only because the delivery people and their brothers and sisters of the new working class are out on-site at their jobs, working to fill your and your fellow elites’ every need.
I'm confused again.
Am I unfairly privileged or oppressed since I'm essential personnel and have to risk my life and brave the Corona threat everyday?
I'm confused again.
Am I unfairly privileged or oppressed since I'm essential personnel and have to risk my life and brave the Corona threat everyday?
Snip:
Short of creating and staffing an entirely new department, there's no way to implement what they're proposing for over a hundred major buildings, another 100 or so ancillary structures, and 7000-plus employees. And that's not counting the time it will take to get all the checkpoint staff HIPAA trained since they'll be taking and logging confidential health info. I'm hoping they get exactly what they're pushing for because it will self-implode the first day.
/Snip
Brad
FWIW, according to the thermometer they're using my temp's always been in the 97* to 98* range. The first day it was 97.1*. ???
According to the HIPAA Journal, simply having a person's name places their information under HIPAA provisions. Search "18 PHI identifiers" for a full list. Can also be see about midway down this page under the "What is PHI" heading.
https://www.hipaajournal.com/what-is-considered-protected-health-information-under-hipaa/
However, what I'm seeing seems to indicate HIPPAA restrictions only apply if you work in health care. I can't see anything that makes HIPPAA applicable for those not in a healthcare-related role. Maybe Millcreek can enlighten us.
Brad
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Are the last few comments in response to the Federalist article? I believe the writer is saying that some people, who can work remotely, or can afford to miss a few months’ worth of income, don’t understand that some people are going broke because their jobs can’t be done remotely. Or they don’t appreciate that their lock-down lifestyle depends on people that can’t work remotely.
A day after San Diego residents were required to wear face coverings in public, a man went grocery shopping while wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood, according to a report.
Mullin had another complaint, too — that the media never asked the governor about an order mandating that nursing homes admit and readmit patients who tested positive for the coronavirus, despite the extraordinary number of deaths among the elderly.I heard about this over the weekend. It seems to me this is a policy is guaranteed to spread the virus further among 'at risk people.
“That’s a good question. I don’t know,” the governor said.
He turned to Howard Zucker, the state health commissioner, who confirmed the policy, saying “if you are positive, you should be admitted back to a nursing home. The necessary precautions will be taken to protect the other residents there.”
The second part of Zucker’s answer is debatable, the first part is not. The disastrous results speak for themselves.
Andrew Cuomo’s coronavirus nursing home policy proves tragic
https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/cuomo-coronavirus-nursing-home-policy-proves-tragic-goodwin/
I heard about this over the weekend. It seems to me this is a policy is guaranteed to spread the virus further among 'at risk people.
^^^There was actually more to the nursing home policy than that. The primary goal of the policy was to free up hospital beds that were needed (especially in NYC) for acutely-ill COVID patients. Every bed that was filled by a patient who could have been discharged to a nursing home was one less bed to handle a COVID or other patient.I have thought about it. My Mother worked as a nurse for a few years and spent some time working in nursing homes. She hated it. She never wants to live in one of those places.
The issue in NYC points up more that there are not enough skilled nursing facility beds to handle acute patients. Elder care has always been the bastard stepchild of healthcare, and they just don't get enough resources. And no one ever thinks about it until Mom or themselves have to go to such a facility.
Andrew Cuomo’s coronavirus nursing home policy proves tragic
https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/cuomo-coronavirus-nursing-home-policy-proves-tragic-goodwin/
I heard about this over the weekend. It seems to me this is a policy is guaranteed to spread the virus further among 'at risk people.
"That’s a good question. I don’t know,” the governor said.
He turned to Howard Zucker, the state health commissioner, who confirmed the policy, saying “if you are positive, you should be admitted back to a nursing home. The necessary precautions will be taken to protect the other residents there.”
^^^There was actually more to the nursing home policy than that. The primary goal of the policy was to free up hospital beds that were needed (especially in NYC) for acutely-ill COVID patients. Every bed that was filled by a patient who could have been discharged to a nursing home was one less bed to handle a COVID or other patient.On the first paragraph, what exactly are you saying here. It appears those nursing homes did NOT have the ability to separate infected people from uninfected and sending infected people into those nursing homes only helped spread it among people who are particularly vulnerable.
The issue in NYC points up more that there are not enough skilled nursing facility beds to handle acute patients. Elder care has always been the bastard stepchild of healthcare, and they just don't get enough resources. And no one ever thinks about it until Mom or themselves have to go to such a facility.
On the first paragraph, what exactly are you saying here. It appears those nursing homes did NOT have the ability to separate infected people from uninfected and sending infected people into those nursing homes only helped spread it among people who are particularly vulnerable.
And thinking about that sort of nonsense, I have to wonder what other boneheaded bureaucratic decisions were made that made their situation worse.
I'm going by my local market tomorrow, so will see what the meat situation is there. I'm expecting them to be fully stocked, but you never know.
People are hoarding meat here too, most stores are limiting how much meat you can buy per purchase. Also listened to the Ag report today, frozen inventories of meat wear still higher now than last year, 1 or 2%. Good old Tyson Foods president sure made a panic when they stated there will be disruptions to the meat supply because of Covid-19.
Why I was thinking mine might have meat is as I mentioned before I think they buy all local. Of course if people drive here from the city, that won't matter. I'm not sure where Costco, Albertson's etc get their "fresh" meat. I would think it might be somewhat regional, versus say, a California Costco getting meat from back East or something (at least for beef), but I don't know how it works with the big chains.
Well, donned my stupid mask and hit Costco for the first time in over two months.
I got there at 0945 (they were already open) and saw lots of cars, so thought there would be a line, but I walked right in. It was the least crowded I had ever seen the place. Most everything seemed fully stocked, they even had loads of TP, paper towels, and water (I took none since I still have a tears worth of my pre-panic stock :laugh: ). I saw few people with TP in their carts, and then only one package.
The one thing they were short of was meat. Today was the first day of their "three fresh meat items per shopper" limit. There was some chicken and pork, but not much and little variety. Other than a little ground meat, there were zero beef products. Even the $50 ribeye packs they sell were gone. I guess meat is the new TP. They had lots of fish though, and plenty of meat products in packages. Unrelated, but score for me - they have their Schnitzel packs back in stock. Best packaged schnitzel I've ever had. Almost as good as mom made. I stocked up on five of them.
When I left the store, there was a ridiculous line outside of people waiting to get in as they were apparently limiting number of shoppers, which explains why my shopping experience inside was nicer than usual without dummies blocking me in the middle of every aisle. Maybe they need to make that a standard policy. :laugh:
I will give them some kudos after ragging on them about the mask requirement and people showing up unaware. They were actually handing free masks out at the front door to anyone who wanted one. They're doing it for this week only though, then everyone is on their own.
I'm going by my local market tomorrow, so will see what the meat situation is there. I'm expecting them to be fully stocked, but you never know.
Three frontline health care workers have mysteriously fallen out of hospital windows in Russia over the past two weeks, heightening public attention to the working conditions for doctors and medical professionals amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Meats are definitely getting scarce. No chicken breasts, only a few thighs. Their beef section was picked over (hamburger gone), but there were still a few cuts.
I've also read that some fast food places are rationing meat, as well.
Dr. Bing Liu, 37, who is from China, “was shot multiple times around noon Saturday inside his home in the 200 block of Elm Court,” the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. “Police believe that Mr. Liu was shot by another man — identified later by the Allegheny County Medical Examiner’s Office as Hao Gu, 46, of Pittsburgh — who then got into his car parked about 100 yards away on Charlemagne Circle and killed himself.”
Regarding meat, I stopped at the local grocery this morning. They weren't fully stocked, but probably 75% of usual. They were just rolling out a big cart of chicken from the back when I was there. They did have a two item limit sign though. I just grabbed one family pack of New York steaks. I have to go to the farm store later today, so maybe I'll stop at their main market in Oregon on the way home and see what that meat counter looks like. That's where their main butcher shop is. Probably pick up another pack of whatever good steak they have for the freezer.
Right now I have probably 10lbs of ground beef and maybe ten various cuts of beef in the freezer, so I'm technically a little low on stock.
I guess Steve will be moving on then.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/healthcare-workers-who-volunteered-to-help-ny-fight-covid-will-have-to-pay-state-income-taxes
Well yeah, what did they expect? New York is known for it's taxes.I imagine they would file a lawsuit in the State of New York since that is where they worked. With NY judges, fighting it would probably be more expensive than the taxes. I am not sure how it would work in criminal court.
Although it does beg the question: or what? If yo don't live, or go to, New York and have no intention to return what happens if you decline to pay? Do they have some sort of interstate extradition compact? Can they put a lien on your federal taxes?
Well yeah, what did they expect? New York is known for it's taxes.
I have no problem with them paying taxes in the state in which it was earned. It is one of the pitfalls of working in multiple states.
I just waiting for the first round of Civil Liberties lawsuits. That's when the real fun will begin.
Brad
[tinfoil]
Three Russian doctors fall from hospital windows, raising questions amid coronavirus pandemic
https://www.wdrb.com/news/coronavirus/three-russian-doctors-fall-from-hospital-windows-raising-questions-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/article_5353731a-8f19-11ea-89cf-d3185103fade.html
https://www.dailywire.com/news/chinese-scientist-on-verge-of-very-significant-coronavirus-findings-murdered-in-pittsburgh
Don't they know it's racist to say that things come from China?
Well yeah, what did they expect? New York is known for it's taxes.
Although it does beg the question: or what? If yo don't live, or go to, New York and have no intention to return what happens if you decline to pay? Do they have some sort of interstate extradition compact? Can they put a lien on your federal taxes?
So a more politically correct report would have been, "Somebody shot someone, and then shot himself"?
I'm sure it's just a coincidence ...
But this isn't taxing income earned in New York. This is making volunteers who had income from other sources pay tax on all income -- from all sources -- they received while they were volunteering (as in, working without pay) in New York.
This is beneath contempt.
Now that I can see the article, yes you are absolutely right. Frickin DB of a state.
bob
Burn it to the ground.
Epidemiologic prediction models have performed poorly often neglecting critical variables. Seasonality is rarely considered, yet we know that coronaviruses are seasonal. Hope is not a plan, but it is quite possible that the virus is not very healthy in the U.S. right now.
Well yeah, what did they expect? New York is known for it's taxes.
Although it does beg the question: or what? If yo don't live, or go to, New York and have no intention to return what happens if you decline to pay? Do they have some sort of interstate extradition compact? Can they put a lien on your federal taxes?
Maybe not on your feral taxes, but there are a lot of "compacts" between states.
On the NY taxes, related, they also "allowed" Samaritan's Purse in when it was a benefit to them. Then, when they started getting other help, they apparently told SP to leave because "diversity".
Being a farty old man, I wonder if the covid can be passed by passing gas... So far, all I know about passing gas is that it helps with the social distancing. :old:
Woody
Wonder how much there is to this?
Vitamin D levels may impact COVID-19 mortality rates, study claims
https://www.foxnews.com/science/vitamin-d-levels-covid-19-mortality-rates
Wonder how much there is to this?
Vitamin D levels may impact COVID-19 mortality rates, study claims
https://www.foxnews.com/science/vitamin-d-levels-covid-19-mortality-rates
https://komonews.com/weather/scotts-weather-blog/exploding-meteor-the-source-of-the-loud-boom-heard-across-puget-sound-wednesday?fbclid=IwAR10knSMiDLo8-azvsy7X5wpnOMIFlmHeRFe-uhnmUJMi1A1_a8OfvilgpE
SMOD fails to take out Seattle.
Wonder how much there is to this?
Vitamin D levels may impact COVID-19 mortality rates, study claims
https://www.foxnews.com/science/vitamin-d-levels-covid-19-mortality-rates
https://komonews.com/weather/scotts-weather-blog/exploding-meteor-the-source-of-the-loud-boom-heard-across-puget-sound-wednesday?fbclid=IwAR10knSMiDLo8-azvsy7X5wpnOMIFlmHeRFe-uhnmUJMi1A1_a8OfvilgpE
SMOD fails to take out Seattle.
Well, I'm taking vitamin D ...... [tinfoil]
I hope the out-of-state workers put together a class-action suit against New York. It would fall, of course, but the state government should be forced to own what they're doing.
For Ben and Millcreek
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/upshot/health-jobs-plummeting-virus.html
I wonder if this will be the new normal. From the ambulatory side, I see telemedicine as continuing and growing after the current crisis goes away.
For Ben and Millcreek
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Millcreek (or any of the professional healthcare folks here), what, in your opinion, is the current state of telemedicine? My insurance offers it, but I've never tried it. I'm amenable to it as part of my health care, but don't know much about benefits vs detriments.
Millcreek (or any of the professional healthcare folks here), what, in your opinion, is the current state of telemedicine? My insurance offers it, but I've never tried it. I'm amenable to it as part of my health care, but don't know much about benefits vs detriments.
^^^I find this fascinating, since the VA has been one of the leaders in telemedicine for years. They don't have to worry about getting paid, so they were a very early adopter. Connecting virtually with the elderly has been our most challenging patient population.
Considering that you're referring to Hawkmoon, I suspect it's a paywall problem that he ran into.
For Ben and Millcreek
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Singapore deploys Spot robot to patrol parks and remind people to socially distance – The Verge https://t.co/sNE9ATI4Pi
— Rhys Evans (@kebabman) May 8, 2020
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-05-09/was-the-coronavirus-made-in-a-wuhan-lab-heres-what-the-genetic-evidence-shows
Based upon the current data, there is a growing consensus that the COVID virus mutated naturally in the wild to jump to humans, and it was not engineered in a lab.
The coronavirus known as SARS-CoV-2, which was isolated from a COVID-19 patient in the U.S. Scientists say there’s no evidence to support the idea that the virus escaped from a Chinese laboratory.(National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases)
Like the virus whose origin it purports to explain, the following conjecture refuses to die: The novel coronavirus was cooked up in a Chinese lab and either escaped or was intentionally released.
Along those lines
IT BEGINS: Singapore is testing out a robot to help enforce social distancing rules
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/08/it-begins-singapore-is-testing-out-a-robot-to-help-enforce-social-distancing-rules/
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/06/surreal-drone-with-speakers-flies-over-manhattan-urging-new-yorkers-to-maintain-social-distancing-905462
The story [about it escaping from a lab] has all the earmarks of a conspiracy theory.And it has drawn support from the highest levels of the U.S. government. [Italics theirs.]
And now we learn that COVID-19 is ... SEXIST!
https://news.trust.org/item/20200510222331-y953v
I'm not Steven Crowder's biggest fan, but here is a compilation of him calling attention to the fish-tank-cleaner-killer lady from 3rd April onward. It wasn't until late April that the local police revealed they were investigating it as a possible murder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ptTFmzJWfg
https://www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com/news/covid-19-and-firearms-united-states
More guns equals more suicides by guns.
https://www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com/news/covid-19-and-firearms-united-states
More guns equals more suicides by guns.
Only 16 states have effective firearm storage legislation. Federal buyback programs could provide an appropriate means for people to dispose of guns and offer necessary economic incentives to do so. The report recomends “smart guns,” which restrict use through biometrics, should be made available for sale in the U.S.
Only 16 states have effective firearm storage legislation. Federal buyback programs could provide an appropriate means for people to dispose of guns and offer necessary economic incentives to do so. The report recomends “smart guns,” which restrict use through biometrics, should be made available for sale in the U.S.
Of course it does. What it doesn't equal is "more suicides," as guns are simply one means. Other means are substituted when guns are not readily available.
It's one of the lies the left likes to use. GUNS CAUSE SUICIDES!!!! No, they are simply a quick means to perpetrate it. Lots of other ones that are less efficient, but just as deadly are around.
In March 2020, gun sales rose up 85% compared to sales in March 2019. These are the highest firearm sales ever recorded in the U.S., the report says. Those who purchase handguns have a 22-fold higher rate of firearm-related suicide within the first year than those who did not purchase a handgun, the report says.
Something is up, Iowa is supposed to be fully open next week, but I'm spending most of this week doing a bunch of social distancing experiments related to my job.
I have almost no doubt that televisions = more suicidesInclude social media.
Here is Andrew Cuomo’s March 25th executive order requiring nursing homes to accept coronavirus patients
Your employer might not want to be "fully open."
What the &%$#@! is wrong with these people???????????????????????
I work for the government (state and fed)
Ah. Fed as well. We're on a severe distancing schedule for the foreseeable future. Probably until mid June with skeleton crews.
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Well, in the midst of all the doom and gloom ... here's a really pessimistic appraisal by an expert on infectious diseases:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/11/coronavirus-expert-michael-osterholm-warns-virus-spread-far-from-over/3108333001/
Anybody that wants a test can get a test.As of today, this is true in my county.
For Ron: some of the Seattle REI stores are opening for curbside pickup.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/retail/rei-plans-to-reopen-six-seattle-area-stores-this-week-customers-will-be-asked-but-not-required-to-wear-face-coverings/
I wonder if you can get curbside service in Reno, Nevada ... [popcorn]
Woody
I wonder if you can get curbside service in Reno, Nevada ... [popcorn]
Woody
They can't be serious. Greta Thornberg to be a panel expert at a CNN virus town hall.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/trust-the-experts-guess-whos-going-to-be-a-panelist-on-cnns-coronavirus-facts-and-fears-town-hall-emphasis-on-fears/
Somebody has to be trolling
They can't be serious. Greta Thornberg to be a panel expert at a CNN virus town hall.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/trust-the-experts-guess-whos-going-to-be-a-panelist-on-cnns-coronavirus-facts-and-fears-town-hall-emphasis-on-fears/
https://vt.co/news/lockdown-spotted-carrying-launcher-as-he-ventures-outside/?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post&fbclid=IwAR1ll1CpdPlwU-nCoMzqq3ywOsoi5LuB3KOZ3TOIkONFvmVvxNNnbUW5lvs
See the last sentence of the article.
They can't be serious. Greta Thunberg to be a panel expert at a CNN virus town hall.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/trust-the-experts-guess-whos-going-to-be-a-panelist-on-cnns-coronavirus-facts-and-fears-town-hall-emphasis-on-fears/
Edited to correct last name spelling.
"This distrust of experts has really gotten out of hand. We've got to do something!"
"Sir, I have an idea. What if we called the one person most qualified and most trusted in the whole world? Someone beyond bias, beyond emotion, beyond politics, someone to whom maudlin grandstanding is utterly unknown? Someone everyone knows to be an expert in viral pandemics and how to handle them?"
"You don't mean..."
"Yes, Greta Thunberg!"
"Oh! Well's that an excellent idea. I thought you were going to say David Hogg, but Greta would be just as good. Let's make this happen."
Finally got a haircut today. The barbershop was only letting in one person to wait while one person was in the chair. She had a number reel outside with a "now serving" display. She also asked customers to use hand sanitizer or wash their hands when they entered.
Not sure how much all that helps, but think most of that is required.
There's a cruel meme out there. Greta, with caption "non-essential doom troll".
"isn't it a school night, Greta."
Virtual slots?
Call in, give the casino a credit card number, they have a worker pick up tokens and put them in a machine for you and, if "you" win, you can pick up your winnings at a drive-through window.
Read or heard somewhere, that real barbers are taught quite well how to do their job in a clean, medically sanitary way. You know, using stuff like this: https://www.barberdepots.com/product/economy-sterilizer/ (https://www.barberdepots.com/product/economy-sterilizer/). Or this: https://www.barberdepots.com/product-category/clippers-parts/blade-care-sanitation/clipper-spray-disinfectant/ (https://www.barberdepots.com/product-category/clippers-parts/blade-care-sanitation/clipper-spray-disinfectant/).Most of her customers are retired so I think she was trying to take enough steps to avoid causing risk to her customers. I didn't have any issue with her clippers.
Greta and that Hogg kid. Reality TV, a match made in heaven.Those two and add in the
Those two and add in theIndianNative American guy who got in the face of the Covington teenager a couple years ago.
Virtual slots?
Call in, give the casino a credit card number, they have a worker pick up tokens and put them in a machine for you and, if "you" win, you can pick up your winnings at a drive-through window.
Wrong kind of slots. Think more along the lines of - well - you can figure it out! ;)
Woody
Wisconsin Supreme Court rules that the governor's "stay at home" order is unconstitutional:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/here-we-go-wisconsin-supreme-court-strikes-down-states-stay-at-home-order-eric-holder-among-dems-pissed-about-it/
... with the usual reaction from the usual suspects.
Wisconsin Supreme Court rules that the governor's "stay at home" order is unconstitutional:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/here-we-go-wisconsin-supreme-court-strikes-down-states-stay-at-home-order-eric-holder-among-dems-pissed-about-it/
... with the usual reaction from the usual suspects.
New York City’s health commissioner blew off an urgent NYPD request for 500,000 surgical masks as the coronavirus crisis mounted — telling a high-ranking police official that “I don’t give two rats’ asses about your cops,” The Post has learned.https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/14/nyc-leadership-right-here-nyc-health-head-rejected-nypd-mask-plea-i-dont-give-2-rats-asses-about-your-cops/
Dr. Oxiris Barbot made the heartless remark during a brief phone conversation in late March with NYPD Chief of Department Terence Monahan, sources familiar with the matter said Wednesday.
Monahan asked Barbot for 500,000 masks but she said she could only provide 50,000, the sources said.
“I don’t give two rats’ asses about your cops,” Barbot said, according to sources.
“I need them for others.”
Classy. She is truly the epitome of the type of leadership we expect from New York City these days.
Great for morale
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/14/nyc-leadership-right-here-nyc-health-head-rejected-nypd-mask-plea-i-dont-give-2-rats-asses-about-your-cops/
Great for morale
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/14/nyc-leadership-right-here-nyc-health-head-rejected-nypd-mask-plea-i-dont-give-2-rats-asses-about-your-cops/
I've heard a couple of people (I think on podcasts/radio) saying that they wanted to go on a road trip, but all the public restrooms were closed. Seems odd to me, as I've used the restrooms at grocery stores and gas stations in the past few weeks.I run in the OH-IN-KY-TN region and haven't found closed restrooms at any of the Big 3 truck stop chains. So many Rest Areas are closed for reconstruction that I've stopped looking to see what they're like. Plus I run at night and going into a rest area at night is a good way to get blocked in by idjits just popping the brakes wherever they want. What I suspect that guy was talking about was shippers. Almost none allow a driver in the building anymore and either come out and get paperwork or have a cheap shed plonked down outside for some poor slob to serve as a single-point-of-contact like they should have been doing all along. Needless to say this lack of rest facilities becomes a problem when shipper keeps a driver stuck in a door for 4-8 hours.
Just now, a truck driver told me "all the restrooms in St. Louis" are closed. I didn't get a chance to ask the guy, so I don't know if he's talking about the city itself (where I don't often venture), or the outlying regions, like where I am right now.
What have you guys seen or heard? The truckers have to go #2 somewhere, right?
What I suspect that guy was talking about was shippers. Almost none allow a driver in the building anymore and either come out and get paperwork or have a cheap shed plonked down outside for some poor slob to serve as a single-point-of-contact like they should have been doing all along. Needless to say this lack of rest facilities becomes a problem when shipper keeps a driver stuck in a door for 4-8 hours.
I've heard a couple of people (I think on podcasts/radio) saying that they wanted to go on a road trip, but all the public restrooms were closed. Seems odd to me, as I've used the restrooms at grocery stores and gas stations in the past few weeks.
Just now, a truck driver told me "all the restrooms in St. Louis" are closed. I didn't get a chance to ask the guy, so I don't know if he's talking about the city itself (where I don't often venture), or the outlying regions, like where I am right now.
What have you guys seen or heard? The truckers have to go #2 somewhere, right?
"These protests, in a perverse way, make it likelier that we're going to have to stay in a stay-home posture." https://t.co/nBgq7r5uzu pic.twitter.com/w8GXaQYVxK
— ABC News (@ABC) May 13, 2020
Hours after the appearance, a reporter asked Whitmer during a press conference, “What proof do you have to show that that’s happening?”https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/14/guided-by-facts-and-science-michigan-gov-whitmer-says-backlash-may-necessitate-extending-lockdown-then-admits-no-proof-protests-have-spread-coronavirus/
“I don’t have proof. I’m [not] following everybody home and taking their temperatures and watching them for two weeks,” the governor replied, later defending the claim by discussing the method by which the novel coronavirus spreads.
“The way that it spreads is person-to-person contact, that it can stay in the air for a while, that when you’re closer than 6 feet, not wearing masks. It is when you are touching one another. We saw a lot of that at these protests at the Capitol. And that’s how COVID-19 spreads,” she said.
Yeah the problem is at point of loading unloading. Some places have set up porta pottys and cleaning stations but not sure how many are doing that.
On the non communist side of MO almost everything is open.
Also, what is with this latest lefty fantasy that Trump and Biden will both be incapacitated by the virus, and Pelosi, who is frail and older than both of them, will step up and lead the country?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/05/14/kayleigh-mcenany-calls-out-nyts-maggie-haberman-for-misleading-tweet-quoting-her-remarks-about-donald-trump-and-mike-pences-health/
Haven't they been bloviating about some variation of that since 2016 or '17; somewhere in there?
I'm just amazed at the blatant stupidity of people in power.
She deserves to be fired just for being that stupid. I see she's a doctor. Likely hubris played a role, too.
So now that commie pinko liberal journalists might get laid off instead of deplorables, we'd better hurry up and open the *expletive deleted*ck back up and save their jobs!
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/05/14/amen-sister-bethany-mandel-has-some-thoughts-about-blue-checks-suddenly-concerned-about-consequences-of-covid19-lockdowns/
Losing a newsroom job now isn't just a temporary setback. For many colleagues let go, this could be the end of their careers in journalism -- all the more calamitous when the work journalists do has never been more important.
Good golly, Miss Molly!
"... the work journalists do has never been more important"? What a masterpiece of self-aggrandizement. How about "... has never been less important." Every John and Jane Doe with a cell phone is a journalist today, and anybody who's anybody has a web site or a blog or a Twitter or Facebook account. There's a reason why newspapers are hemorrhaging red ink -- it's because "journalists" today are becoming increasingly irrelevant. In a day and age when Greta Thunberg is suddenly a CNN "expert," what purpose do run-of-the-mill journalists serve?
San Diego County: Malls can reopen
Also San Diego County: No customers are allowed inside
:facepalm:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/14/not-the-onion-or-babylon-bee-san-diego-countys-covid-19-alert-system-update-sums-up-shutdown-insanity-perfectly/
Michigan Gov.: We may have to extend the lock down because feelings
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/14/guided-by-facts-and-science-michigan-gov-whitmer-says-backlash-may-necessitate-extending-lockdown-then-admits-no-proof-protests-have-spread-coronavirus/
"People are starting to realize that we are actually depending on science and that we need to listen to scientists and experts." -Teen activist Greta Thunberg on how people are reacting to science and what that means for the climate crisis. #CNNTownHall https://t.co/EvUEaN7gza pic.twitter.com/HLQb1AQ7ax
— CNN (@CNN) May 15, 2020
"People are starting to realize that we are actually depending on science and that we need to listen to scientists and experts." -Teen activist Greta Thunberg on how people are reacting to science and what that means for the climate crisis. #CNNTownHall https://t.co/EvUEaN7gza pic.twitter.com/HLQb1AQ7ax
— CNN (@CNN) May 15, 2020
Need I point out the irony?
I was thinking of the other irony. The fact that CNN had her on just then to talk about a pandemic is evidence that people don't really want to hear from scientists or experts - she's pretty doggone far from being either.
I figured she'd be all for the virus. "We are the virus" isn't that the meme?
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Authorities are not seeing spikes in coronavirus cases in places that are reopening but are seeing increases in some areas that remain closed, U.S. health secretary Alex Azar said on Sunday.
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Asked about images being broadcast from some areas of the country showing people gathering near bars and congregating close together, Azar said that was the cost of freedom.
Interesting chart. Note the states with higher or near equal virus deaths than flu deaths. Not that this isn't hindsight, but it's certainly food for thought regarding "one size fits all" lockdowns. Even in the case of "heavy-handed" lockdowns, look at the difference between CA and MI. Or NY, which seems to be turning into an outlier.
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Must be dated, Iowa is north of 300 covid deaths so far.
CBS using video/photos from 2016 for a COVID-related mystery illness story
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/18/again-cbs-purveyors-of-panic-porn-sink-even-lower-using-old-footage-to-scare-parents-about-covid-related-mystery-illness-watch/
These people are simply evil. There is no longer any need to grant them the benefit of the doubt.
"Anyone tries to get in the water they’ll be taken right out of the water" @NYCMayor warns about city beaches this summerhttps://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/18/what-nyc-mayor-bill-de-blasio-warns-beachgoers-what-will-happen-if-they-get-in-the-water/
— Julia Marsh (@juliakmarsh) May 18, 2020
Newsom's just doing what they always do when anyone tries to slow down the revenue stream. They always threaten essential services, and keep mum about whatever drag queen story hour nonsense they could easily cut.
As a sign of progress, I was able to make the annual physical/Trifexis refill appointment for the dog today. The vet is back open for business.
A judge in Oregon on Monday ruled that Gov. Kate Brown’s coronavirus restrictions were “null and void” after the Democratic lawmaker failed to have her emergency orders approved by the state’s legislature in 28 days.
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[governor] Brown said she would immediately appeal the ruling to the state Supreme Court to try to keep the emergency orders in effect.
First Wisconsin, now Oregon:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oregons-coronavirus-restrictions-ruled-null-and-void-after-governor-failed-to-get-approval-from-legislature
Though I see that Oregon has now fined a salon owner $14,000 for opening her shop. Same state that lets antifa run wild.
First Wisconsin, now Oregon:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oregons-coronavirus-restrictions-ruled-null-and-void-after-governor-failed-to-get-approval-from-legislature
New outbreak in China, fyi
"New"
Lifesite News reports that the scientists “used a version of the novel coronavirus collected in the earliest days of the outbreak and applied computer models to test its capacity to bind to certain cell receptor enzymes, called “ACE2,” that allow the virus to infect human and animal cells to varying degrees of efficacy.”
“They found that “the novel coronavirus most powerfully binds with human ACE2, and with variously lesser degrees of effectiveness with animal versions of the receptor.”
The authors believe this means that the virus “became specialized for human cell penetration by living previously in human cells, quite possibly in a laboratory.”
The Study notes that “a virus would be expected to have highest affinity for the receptor in its original host species, e.g. bat, with a lower initial binding affinity for the receptor of any new host, e.g. humans. However, in this case, the affinity of SARS-CoV-2 is higher for humans than for the putative original host species, bats, or for any potential intermediary host species.”
In a separate public statement about the research made by Prof. Petrovsky on April 17, the researcher notes that the results of his study are either "a remarkable coincidence or a sign of human intervention,” and adds that it is “entirely plausible that the virus was created in the biosecurity facility in Wuhan by selection on cells expressing human ACE2, a laboratory that was known to be cultivating exotic bat coronaviruses at the time.”
Professor Petrovsky told LifeSite in an email interview that his study indicates that “there are some highly unusual features, including optimal human adaptation, that in the absence of identification of a close to identical virus in an animal population from which COVID19 could have arisen, would point in the direction of human intervention at some point in the evolution of COVID19.”
He noted that, so far, researchers in China and elsewhere have not produced evidence of the presence in animals of a virus closely similar to the one that causes COVID-19 in humans, which would give credence to their theory of natural development in an intermediary between bats, which presumably originated the virus, and humans.
Well, This is Truly Unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN4Usu-sgXI
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-virus-researchers-uncover-evidence-implying-covid-19-was-created-in-a-lab
Essentially he says they see no evidence of gene splicing or direct manipulation but the same thing could be achieved through natural selection and testing with human tissue over a few years. And the lab in Wuhan was known to be experimenting with bat coronaviruses.
This last quote is saying they haven't seen a close version of the virus in the animal population and so far China is refusing to participate in such a search which tends to back up the accusations that they already know the origin.
Phone call I got this AM from a medical person working a current Covid hotspot wasn't good. The current situation is horrible there and they are already begining to prepare for the next wave, pretty much their superiors are thinking we are going to be *expletive deleted*ed.
I can't disclose where or whom, lots of gag orders because things are supposed to be cheery so the economy grows and no more panics at the grocery store, also this person is so conservative that they would make a lot you look like democrats. Phone call started with do you know any pork producers in my 20 that would be willing to sell a few pigs to me.
Reports from China that C19 Mark II may be on the loose with somewhat different symptoms
Trump began to smash the room up as his alter ego and then ran upstairs where he destroyed much of the West Wing. He was finally calmed down and returned to normal as aides leaped onto his back and injected him with a shot of Clorox.
Apparently, it's been determined the virus doesn't spread via surfaces as readily as first assumed:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-virus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces-n411684 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-virus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces-n411684)
So that's good news . . . .
Apparently, it's been determined the virus doesn't spread via surfaces as readily as first assumed:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-virus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces-n411684 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-virus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces-n411684)
So that's good news . . . .
Good news if you choose to believe it. The problem is, the CDC and the WHO (IMHO) have zero credibility at this point. First we needed to all wear N95 masks. Then we didn't need to wear masks. Then we should all wear masks, but they don't have to be N95.
The virus only survives on most surfaces from a couple of hours (on copper) to a couple of days. Then they found it survives up to or beyond two weeks on some surfaces. Now we don't have to worry about touching surfaces.
I don't know what to believe. Florida took the woman who was running their virus information web page off the job because she refused to fudge the numbers. I've been tracking numbers for my state from their daily updates since early March. Around May 3 a discrepancy appeared -- the number of new cases from one day to the next suddenly didn't match the total, but (IIRC) 25. And the total number of deaths was suddenly off by 51. No explanation, and the discrepancies continue, each and every day. And there are still no data (for my state, anyway) on number of recoveries, which means there's no idea how many active cases there are. Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracking page shows some recoveries for my state, but the number hasn't changed in a week, so recoveries are obviously not being tracked and reported in any systematic fashion.
I don't believe anything they tell me.
Good news if you choose to believe it. The problem is, the CDC and the WHO (IMHO) have zero credibility at this point. First we needed to all wear N95 masks. Then we didn't need to wear masks. Then we should all wear masks, but they don't have to be N95.
The virus only survives on most surfaces from a couple of hours (on copper) to a couple of days. Then they found it survives up to or beyond two weeks on some surfaces. Now we don't have to worry about touching surfaces.
I don't know what to believe. Florida took the woman who was running their virus information web page off the job because she refused to fudge the numbers. I've been tracking numbers for my state from their daily updates since early March. Around May 3 a discrepancy appeared -- the number of new cases from one day to the next suddenly didn't match the total, but (IIRC) 25. And the total number of deaths was suddenly off by 51. No explanation, and the discrepancies continue, each and every day. And there are still no data (for my state, anyway) on number of recoveries, which means there's no idea how many active cases there are. Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracking page shows some recoveries for my state, but the number hasn't changed in a week, so recoveries are obviously not being tracked and reported in any systematic fashion.
I don't believe anything they tell me.
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The virus only survives on most surfaces from a couple of hours (on copper) to a couple of days. Then they found it survives up to or beyond two weeks on some surfaces. Now we don't have to worry about touching surfaces.
No customers allowed in the building is awesome.
Not all of this quarantine stuff is bad.
So Katie figured out her method of social distance drop of and pick up for pets. She bought a kennel run with two outer gates and one gate in the middle. Customer goes in one side with dog, removes leash and collar, we open middle gate and call dog through to our side, put on our leash and then take the dog into building. For pick up, reverse the procedure. It was even featured on the local news.
Katie is now trying to figure out how to keep it once quarantine is over. We think with a little fancy verbal trickery we can keep it until end of summer. It's glorious. No customers allowed in the building is awesome.
Not all of this quarantine stuff is bad.
So Katie figured out her method of social distance drop of and pick up for pets. She bought a kennel run with two outer gates and one gate in the middle. Customer goes in one side with dog, removes leash and collar, we open middle gate and call dog through to our side, put on our leash and then take the dog into building. For pick up, reverse the procedure. It was even featured on the local news.
Katie is now trying to figure out how to keep it once quarantine is over. We think with a little fancy verbal trickery we can keep it until end of summer. It's glorious. No customers allowed in the building is awesome.
Not all of this quarantine stuff is bad.
Umm ... Question: What makes Katie think the cats and dogs can't carry and spread the Covid - or anything else for that matter?
Woody
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Saturday doubled down on his state's now-scrapped nursing home policy that critics say contributed to thousands of coronavirus deaths and instead blamed the problem on President Trump and his administration.
"New York followed the president's agency guidance," Cuomo said Saturday at his press conference. ".... What New York did was follow what the Republican Administration said to do. That's not my attempt to politicize it. It's my attempt to depoliticize it. So don't criticize the state for following the president's policy."
The governor's office said New York's original nursing home policy was in line with a March 13 directive from the Trump Administration's Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) and Centers from Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that went out to all states on how to control infections in nursing homes.
Umm ... Question: What makes Katie think the cats and dogs can't carry and spread the Covid - or anything else for that matter?
Woody
:facepalm: I think the point kind of just flew right over your head.
So is "embargo" some kind of legal term that can be used by domestic, local governments (not being sarcastic, I actually don't know)? I've never heard of it used in this manner before:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/23/camden-county-posts-notice-of-embargo-on-gym-that-dared-reopen-in-spite-of-new-jersey-lockdown-order/
No, it's when a ship leaves on a trip. When the ship gets there, the passengers are said to disembargo.
Ben, lately (20+ years?) there seems to be a large number of words that are being used in unusual ways --sometimes as their tertiary and quaternary definitions, sometimes with no relationship to any definitions. But that's cool, dude, like, it's part of, like, it's normal.
Ben, lately (20+ years?) there seems to be a large number of words that are being used in unusual ways --sometimes as their tertiary and quaternary definitions, sometimes with no relationship to any definitions. But that's cool, dude, like, it's part of, like, it's normal.
Agreed. One of my main peeves re:word meaning shifts is "story". I may have griped here before about it. Facebook posts are stories. >bullshit!< I see outdoor advertising signs for the ad company saying "let us help you tell your story".
I don't like it. :old:
Agreed. One of my main peeves re:word meaning shifts is "story". I may have griped here before about it. Facebook posts are stories. >bullshit!< I see outdoor advertising signs for the ad company saying "let us help you tell your story".
It began as a celebration of constitutional rights but turned into a protest of coronavirus restrictions and Beshear’s administration. Folks toted their guns and waved American and “Don’t tread on me” flags. Taps honored the fallen, and free flags were given to veterans from all military branches.
Ed Bruce, who carried a replica colonial-era gun with a tag that read “1st Assault Rifle,” said he came out to make a point: government shouldn’t control what types of guns he or other law-abiding citizens carry, he said.
Mask nazis:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1264721468761481216
She should have started coughing on them
She should have started coughing on them
Probably get charged with a felony.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/us/coronavirus-terrorism-nj.html
Google Drive takes down user’s personal copy of Judy Mikovits’ Plandemic after it was flagged by The Washington Post
https://reclaimthenet.org/google-drive-takes-down-user-file-plandemic/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
I assume there is some boiler plate language in their terms and conditions allowing them to review and edit your content on their site.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/MXyKqZ201Dj5/
This link popped up on a search. Not sure if it is the same video or not.
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2020/05/22/church-that-defied-coronavirus-restrictions-is-burned-to-the-ground
Mississippi Church that defied stay-at-home orders burned to the ground in suspected arson
Doesn't surprise me. This thread has moved fast at times and I know I have skipped pages after being away for a day or two.
That was reported a few days ago, and we've barely talked about it. Imagine the coverage and controversy if it were one of the predominantly black churches that was staying open (of which there is at least one; presumably others).
Doesn't surprise me. This thread has moved fast at times and I know I have skipped pages after being away for a day or two.
Mask nazis:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1264721468761481216
What I'm getting at is the way media is ignoring this story, compared to how they'd cover a racist church-burning. Or imagine how many weeks we'd spend talking about a church being burned down if it were the kind flying rainbow flags outside?Well, in this case they only spray painted messages on the concrete. If they had left a noose somewhere, that would be different.
Another one of those stories that illustrate how we're all in this together. Here's another:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/more-details-emerge-on-viral-video-of-white-karen-calling-cops-on-black-man-who-asked-her-to-leash-her-dog
(Don't watch the video if people mistreating dogs raises your blood pressure.)
I was reading that before the video started, the guy was, while not making a direct threat, was alluding that dog treats he had in his pocket were poison, and he was calling her dog to him.I was seeing that on Twitter and elsewhere this morning. I was wondering what the guy might have done that caused her to freak out (even if it wasn't serious). The dog treats is odd, but her claiming poison and then claiming he is threatening her is going way off the deep end.
She's still guilty of stupidity though. Best comment that I read was (paraphrased), "What happens when two entitled liberal elites collide."
So last week or so, IA governor said anyone can go get tested now, don't need to play the online survey lottery to see if you are selected. Of course shortly after that a bunch of state run testing locations were shutdown. I'm really not one to buy in to conspiracy theories, but something smells like pig manure over this. Seems like someone doesn't want to the numbers of infected to skyrocket, especially since most of the businesses were closed were allowed to open back up last week, bars will be open on Thursday.I'll allow that it is possible that your favorite governor may be playing politics with COVID - all the rest of the politicians certainly seem to be - but from what I've heard we hit the point some time ago where there was much more test availability than people wanting to get tested.
I'll allow that it is possible that your favorite governor may be playing politics with COVID - all the rest of the politicians certainly seem to be - but from what I've heard we hit the point some time ago where there was much more test availability than people wanting to get tested.
I was reading that before the video started, the guy was, while not making a direct threat, was alluding that dog treats he had in his pocket were poison, and he was calling her dog to him.
She's still guilty of stupidity though. Best comment that I read was (paraphrased), "What happens when two entitled liberal elites collide."
You have to wonder why she wouldn't just leave.
Valid point. Soon to be "unemployed entitled liberal elite."
Another one of those stories that illustrate how we're all in this together. Here's another:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/more-details-emerge-on-viral-video-of-white-karen-calling-cops-on-black-man-who-asked-her-to-leash-her-dog
(Don't watch the video if people mistreating dogs raises your blood pressure.)
I was seeing that on Twitter and elsewhere this morning. I was wondering what the guy might have done that caused her to freak out (even if it wasn't serious). The dog treats is odd, but her claiming poison and then claiming he is threatening her is going way off the deep end.
Giving dog treats to other people's dogs would seem to be a good way to get them to use a leash. More of an urban/suburban tactic. Obviously some people will not take it well.
Heysoos Aitch, did the dog survive? Looked like it was going down for the count in a couple of places.
Yeah, when aholes collide, but truth to be told, I look at a lot of videos nowadays as "prepared." Oh, let me say it and get it over with: "FAKED."
And here we are believing stuff just because it's on video, much like people believe everything they read in the newspapers because it's in printed form.
Terry
It might be faked, or they might both be jerks, but none of that would seem to justify the dog getting dragged around by its collar that way. It appears she had a leash, but was messing with her phone, when she might have been at least putting the leash on.
Abandoned Angels Cocker Spaniel Rescue, from which Amy adopted the dog a few years ago, is currently holding the dog after she “voluntarily surrendered” it “while the incident is being addressed,” NBC reports.
We clearly aren't the only people that think that.
From the article:
Which brings up another point. What kind of person turns their dog over to the crazy rescue folks over some social media flap? She's gotta know she's not getting that pup back. The real victim is that dog, who was rescued by a neurotic wad of entitlement, forced to live in an apartment in NYC, then ripped away from that home as well. Someone from upstate with some yard space needs to adopt that poor thing.
If I'm out with my dog and I turn him loose in an empty but public area, and I get caught (it happens) I say "Sorry!" and put the leash back on the dog and everybody goes about their day. Isn't that what normal people do? I feel bad for the dog here, and I haven't even watched the video. I don't feel bad for "Karen" or the black man, they might even deserve each other.
If I'm out with my dog and I turn him loose in an empty but public area, and I get caught (it happens) I say "Sorry!" and put the leash back on the dog and everybody goes about their day. Isn't that what normal people do?
One would think.
Observing human behaviour in response to this plague season is way more interesting to me than the whole virus/plague thing itself. It keeps reminding me we really don't know what's going on in other peoples' heads.
That dog video makes me wish we had actual cloned prehistoric critters so I could have this as a pet.And people are welcome to carry snacks for your pet. =)
And I don't believe in leash laws. >:D
Governments cannot openly admit that the "controlled easing” of COVID-19 lockdowns in fact means controlled progress toward so-called herd immunity to the virus. Much better, then, to pursue this objective silently, under a cloud of obfuscation, and hope that a vaccine will arrive before most of the population gets infected.
That dog video makes me wish we had actual cloned prehistoric critters so I could have this as a pet.
And I don't believe in leash laws. >:D
Cicada killers look much like murder hornets.
Different branches, those are the homicide Hornets.
Different branches, those are the homicide Hornets.
List of the ten plagues
1.Blood
2.Frogs
3.Lice or gnats
4.Flies
5.Livestock
6.Boils
7.Hail
8.Locust
9.Darkness
10.Death of firstborn
https://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-are-10-plagues-egypt
I didn't see Facebook on that list.
I didn't see Facebook on that list.What about Twitter shadow banning?
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And people are welcome to carry snacks for your pet. =):rofl:
As someone who owned a very dog aggressive bitch, I do believe in leash laws and not for the safety of MY animal.
I'm a big believer in toddler leashes, too, and for the same reasons.
https://oye.news/news/world-news/scientists-warn-virus-cases-disappearing-to-fast-for-meaningful-vaccine-studies/
Yep... it's just burning out on its own and we killed off millions of small businesses for nothing.
AND the (blue state) government refuses to take thepillowknee off the victim's neck, hoping to kill more.
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List of the ten plagues
1.Blood
2.Frogs
3.Lice or gnats
4.Flies
5.Livestock
6.Boils
7.Hail
8.Locust
9.Darkness
10.Death of firstborn
LANSING, Mich. – A Michigan lawmaker whose mother has now tested positive for the coronavirus (COVID-19) said Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s controversial nursing home policy that puts infected patients in the same facilities as negative patients is the “most idiotic thing we could come up with.”
The governor’s first set of orders demanded that nursing homes under 80% capacity take in COVID-19 patients who need extended care, and isolate them in their own units.
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But, Michigan still is not reporting data from nursing homes and extended-care facilities. So there's no chance for independent scrutiny of how well the policy change is working to reduce deaths.
As of today, there are 289 COVID-19 patients currently in nursing homes that the state has transferred to these facilities. These homes are designated by the state of Michigan as “regional hubs” and they make a lot of money taking care of them. They get a a $5000 per bed incentive in addition to the standard amount that they get per day for their ongoing care.
These transferred patients are people who aren’t sick enough to be in the hospital but who test positive and still need care. The regional hubs are a reality because Michigan Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer signed an executive order that makes it mandatory for a nursing home to accept a patient back to their facility unless they are unable to care for them. If they can’t provide adequate care, sending the patient to a regional hub is one of their options.
Drunk Hindu priest, 70, beheads man in Indian temple as a human sacrifice to goddess who came to him in a dream and said it would end coronavirus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8369177/Indian-priest-beheads-man-sacrifice-goddess-order-end-coronavirus.html
Well, judging from the lack of social distancing at the riots, and the lack of the MSM crying "we're all going to die from lack of social distancing at the riots", I figure the virus is over now and we can end lockdowns everywhere, put the masks away, and get back to normal.
From what I am hearing said this morning:
1. the CDC and WHO are saying healthy people shouldn't wear masks.
2. It might be worse for your health to quarantine yourself at home.
3. The CDC and others grossly underestimated the infection rates which skewed the statistics.
4. IMO, it is starting to look like the higher death rates in some states might be due in big part to terrible policies enforced in some states deliberately spreading the disease to people in high risk categories.
I still think this was a new disease that required some learning curve on the part of physicians to treat and it is still something to be weary of just like a bad strain of flu. Most definitely you should be weary if you are in one of the vulnerable groups. Everyone else, get back to work and reopen.
In shorter words: We've massively over-reacted and our political leaders are stubbornly refusing to follow the data.
Because they BELIEVE in science.
Well, judging from the lack of social distancing at the riots, and the lack of the MSM crying "we're all going to die from lack of social distancing at the riots", I figure the virus is over now and we can end lockdowns everywhere, put the masks away, and get back to normal.
I absolutely expect that with something new like this there are going to be unknowns and mistakes in response, and I want to be very lenient in my criticism regarding response because of that. But some of the social distancing and mask wearing nazis are becoming very analogous to the worst of the climate change crowd. "We must eliminate all cars or the world will end in five years!"
I absolutely expect that with something new like this there are going to be unknowns and mistakes in response, and I want to be very lenient in my criticism regarding response because of that. But some of the social distancing and mask wearing nazis are becoming very analogous to the worst of the climate change crowd. "We must eliminate all cars or the world will end in five years!"
And Public Health recommends what Public Health does: to save lives in the population.
I agree with Ben, with the codicil that the response evolved over time as new data and knowledge became available, and sometimes there is not a generally-recognized consensus on the data and knowledge, so sometimes you have make your best SWAG, which in retrospect may or may not prove to be the best course of action. And Public Health recommends what Public Health does: to save lives in the population.I would say part of the problem in some states is the official response did not keep up with the information or even use the information available. How can any rational person put COVID-19 patients in nursing homes especially based on what was known at the time about who was most vulnerable.
I still think this was a new disease that required some learning curve on the part of physicians to treat and it is still something to be weary of just like a bad strain of flu. Most definitely you should be weary if you are in one of the vulnerable groups. Everyone else, get back to work and reopen.
Yeah, I'm quite weary of it all. Wary however, not so much.
I would say part of the problem in some states is the official response did not keep up with the information or even use the information available. How can any rational person put COVID-19 patients in nursing homes especially based on what was known at the time about who was most vulnerable.
Yeah, I'm quite weary of it all. Wary however, not so much.Okay. I will try to be more wary of when I am using weary instead of wary. Some people have trouble there word choice. =)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717?fbclid=IwAR1fAYkAwS22HoS1tfaHDsFbWXr9ZaZ--nQa9ValG3W1v4bxFRIxPT8miEw
Sweden now says it was a mistake not to go into lockdown since too many people died.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717?fbclid=IwAR1fAYkAwS22HoS1tfaHDsFbWXr9ZaZ--nQa9ValG3W1v4bxFRIxPT8miEw
Sweden now says it was a mistake not to go into lockdown since too many people died.
The individual who initially gave us the 2.2 million dead in America if nothing was done now says lockdown changed absolutly nothing and Sweden did it right.
Hmmmm where have we heard this before? https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350 (https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-idUSKBN2392WR
Meanwhile, Sweden says Sweden did it wrong.
I don't personally know if Sweden did it wel,, or poorly .... sorta think they're mainly o.k.
I don't know personally, either, since I'm not there. Data indicate the Sweden has had a CV-19 death rate 10 times higher than Norway, which did have a lockdown. That sounds statistically significant to me.1. 10 times higher? I doubt it.
1. 10 times higher? I doubt it.
I didn't make up that number.Doesn't change my doubt in the slightest.
Um ... Is Sweden the outlier or is it Norway? How does each country compare to the rest of the world?
Woody
I'm sorry, but… 😂😂😂
Does this mean people could gather in a group of 100 people, and claim it wasn't a social gathering, but rather a protest about the fact that social gathering is limited to 12 people? https://t.co/miLeljlyMg
— Jeremy Stangroom (@PhilosophyExp) June 5, 2020
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https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/05/this-cant-be-real-calif-countys-maximum-allowance-for-social-gatherings-protests-church-perfectly-sum-up-the-insanity/
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-in-the-u-s-study-finds/
More modeling on the infection rate.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-in-the-u-s-study-finds/
More modeling on the infection rate.
Apropos of nothing, or maybe something. I went in for my annual physical last week and the receptionist was wearing her mask with her nose exposed. :laugh:
I wasn't wearing a mask and wasn't required to. The staff all had them on, though given my above observation, likely to little effect. I got my physical at the rural clinic in town where the doc only shows up a couple of times a week. It's part of a fairly big regional medical center though, so the mask stuff might be stricter in the city clinics.
I've got a pre-op physical scheduled for.this afternoon. Part of it includes a Covid test. I'll report back on the health and safety theater nonsense I witness.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_health+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Health%29
With additional confirmation of these findings, I will be interested to see if this changes the recommendations on masking at all. The primary reason I mask up is that I work daily in a healthcare facility surrounded by sick people, and I want to reduce the possibility that I am asymptomatically shedding virus to others.
I wasn't even offered a covid test. I should have remembered to ask - I'm actually curious as to whether I've had it or not.
I've got a pre-op physical scheduled for.this afternoon. Part of it includes a Covid test. I'll report back on the health and safety theater nonsense I witness.
The Covid test was singularly unpleasant, swabbing up the nose and sample apparently taken from somewhere behind the frontal lobe.
Is the nasal swab used to look for antibodies from a previous infection as well as active infection?
I kind of thought I might have had it early this year. In fact, most people I've spoken to have mentioned having a bad cold/respiratory condition in early spring. In fact, my sister was curious enough to get an antibody test, which came back negative. I think there was just a nasty non-covid cold that had gone through the area. I doubt I've had the covid . . . .I haven't heard of tests available here.
I haven't heard of tests available here.
There was a lot of "crud" going around here as well. I had some sort of upper respiratory thing in late January. Kept having a cough and nasal drainage. Finally shook it off. It was probably just the normal stuff, but you never know. The Port of Freeport isn't all that far away.
Some good may come from this:
https://tfipost.com/2020/06/leave-global-companies-even-chinese-companies-like-and-tiktok-and-alibaba-have-abandoned-their-country/
It's a ruse.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bald-men-higher-risk-severe-case-covid-19-research-finds/
So I am screwed. It was an honor serving with you.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bald-men-higher-risk-severe-case-covid-19-research-finds/
So I am screwed. It was an honor serving with you.
So if I read that article right, I'm back to this being a Chinese bioweapon. They designed a virus to kill off all the real men in enemy populations and leave only androgen lacking girly men behind as a submissive slave population. =D
I'm back to short hair after a visit to the barber yesterday. Ivy League Crew.
My hair was a little too long before the lockdown and then after several months with all the shops closed it grew almost long enough for a pony tail.
It was long and I fancied I looked like a Germanic Berserker ... instead everyone said I looked like a hippy :laugh:
This virus DOES discriminate — because our nation discriminates.https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/11/woke-stupidity-on-parade-bill-de-blasio-claims-covid-actually-does-discriminate-annnd-omg-stupid-like-this-should-be-painful/
We may be beginning to restart but we’re not repeating a broken status quo.
— Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor) June 11, 2020
Check in for fever, questions and hand me a mask.
The Covid test was singularly unpleasant, swabbing up the nose and sample apparantly taken from somewhere behind the frontal lobe.
Got my Covid test results today, WOO HOO! I'm negative.
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Wouldn't it be better if you'd already had it and never knew it? ? ? ? =|
Black trans lives matter (Note: BTLM, not BLM) protest in Brooklyn. I still have to wear a mask at Costco and can't sit at the bar to have a burger and beer in a near empty restaurant here.
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A cheap and widely available drug can help save the lives of patients seriously ill with coronavirus.
The low-dose steroid treatment dexamethasone is a major breakthrough in the fight against the deadly virus, UK experts say.
The drug is part of the world's biggest trial testing existing treatments to see if they also work for coronavirus.
It cut the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators. For those on oxygen, it cut deaths by a fifth.
So, solar flu?
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Trump killed Omar's father.
Actually wouldn't surprise if she does try to spin it that way at some point
Rep. Ilhan Omar announces death of father from COVID-19 complications
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-ilhan-omar-announces-death-of-father-from-covid-19-complications
That's probably either racist, sexist or homophobic.
Black trans lives matter (Note: BTLM, not BLM) protest in Brooklyn. I still have to wear a mask at Costco and can't sit at the bar to have a burger and beer in a near empty restaurant here.
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That's probably either racist, sexist or homophobic.
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-toilet-flush-spread-covid-commode-20200616-l3xuvbvmkvg7xdihgnwc3azajm-story.html
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0013318
Close the toilet lid before flushing to reduce the risk of fecal aerosols carrying COVID. Although there has been literature for many years about toilet flushing spreading germs throughout the bathroom. One of the reasons that I always close the lid.
You first got to get people to flush
And- as is the case of most public toilets I've seen- have a lid.
Urinal aiming should also be a required course for menJust need bigger urinals. =D
Just need bigger urinals. =D
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/17/878946307/the-rich-have-stopped-spending-and-thats-tanked-the-economy?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR3PMHkn0fSvargFIqTCM2hj2uiip--dPZ5G3vXVeRi9uwFF07CIzT9junk
Everyone needs to get out there and start spending again. Get that money in circulation.
There are those who could miss a football field even if they were standing in the middle of it.
One of my pet peeves of life is having to stand in a piss puddle while I take a leak. JHC! How hard is it?
Just need bigger urinals. =D
I would go out and spend on eating out, but the downtown Boise "beer and a burger" type places I like to frequent either have ridiculous rules in place, or are not open for lunch (either temporarily or permanently - I don't know), which is when I would frequent them. It HAS caused me to spend more time at my little local places as a replacement, though none of them sell beer. The food costs half as much as at a brew pub, so while my visitation is the same, the money I put into the economy from eating out is much less.
On the upside, your money is probably going to people who need it more and who appreciate your business more.
^^^ This. 'Tis one of life's great mysteries, how so many men can miss such a large target.
One thing I've noticed about the urinal at work.
It's a shitty design.
No matter where you aim there is splash back that escapes and ends up on the floor.
One thing I've noticed about the urinal at work.There are lots of poor designs. The one I hate the most is essentially a toilet full of water that has no lid or seat. Splashes badly and then the flush is so violent is splashes more. It bothered me in college that the design was in an engineering building.
It's a shitty design.
No matter where you aim there is splash back that escapes and ends up on the floor.
Sorry, but bad urinal design does NOT explain most of the piss that ends up on the floor in the men's room.
I worked on my group president's staff for some time back in the 2000s when I was with SAIC. Most of my coworkers in that office were former high-ranking military and civilian government people -- at least 2 admirals, several generals, a bunch of colonels, Navy captains, a former deputy director of the CIA, a former head of Bell Labs theoretical projects division...
After lunch I wouldn't go anywhere near the men's room on our floor. It was repulsive -- the floors around the urinals were literally awash in piss.
My theory is that most of these clowns had spent far too much time in their high military positions and got used to some 18 year old newly enlisted kid running in with a bucket and mop.
Out of sheer disgust one day I put signs on the walls above the urinals "STAND CLOSER, GUYS. IT'S NOT AS LONG AS YOU THINK."
They didn't last long, but they did get a chuckle. I never fessed up to putting them there, and the situation in the men's room did NOT improve.
Sorry, but bad urinal design does NOT explain most of the piss that ends up on the floor in the men's room.I agree with that, but I am an engineer so design issues occur to me. People can be pretty disgusting. I am never sure if they are deliberately disgusting or completely oblivious to the mess they are making or the smell. I tend to assume deliberately disgusting.
I worked on my group president's staff for some time back in the 2000s when I was with SAIC. Most of my coworkers in that office were former high-ranking military and civilian government people -- at least 2 admirals, several generals, a bunch of colonels, Navy captains, a former deputy director of the CIA, a former head of Bell Labs theoretical projects division...
After lunch I wouldn't go anywhere near the men's room on our floor. It was repulsive -- the floors around the urinals were literally awash in piss.
My theory is that most of these clowns had spent far too much time in their high military positions and got used to some 18 year old newly enlisted kid running in with a bucket and mop.
Out of sheer disgust one day I put signs on the walls above the urinals "STAND CLOSER, GUYS. IT'S NOT AS LONG AS YOU THINK."
They didn't last long, but they did get a chuckle. I never fessed up to putting them there, and the situation in the men's room did NOT improve.
I agree with that, but I am an engineer so design issues occur to me. People can be pretty disgusting. I am never sure if they are deliberately disgusting or completely oblivious to the mess they are making or the smell. I tend to assume deliberately disgusting.
One plant I used to work at had issues for a time of someone spreading feces around the walls of the contractor's bathroom. I don't know what kind mind it takes to do something like that.
Out of sheer disgust one day I put signs on the walls above the urinals "STAND CLOSER, GUYS. IT'S NOT AS LONG AS YOU THINK."
I can see that none of you complaining about urinals has ever been in a high use communal women’s bathroom. Joys of the military cleaning up after someone else and/or picking up thousands of cigarette butts while not being a smoker. During firefighting training on ship it might have cost the navy money but I was for sure breathing clean air from my breathing apparatus, simulation be damned whilst in a 150 female living space. Eewwwww
Someone in our building, and I'm pretty sure who, apparently just guesses at direction and flow. The restroom outside his area is always a urine-covered mess, both urinal and toilet.
At the gun shop I worked for back in 2011-12 they had a sign above the toilet. It was a standard target with a decent grouping sporting the words, "If you can group under an inch at 100 yards, you can hit an 18" toilet at two feet. Accuracy counts." It was still a mess by the end of day.
The university has been on a water conservation kick for years, beginning with restrooms (And rightfully so. Water is a precious commodity in the semi-arid plains). Unfortunately the genius in charge had the bright idea to just swap out valves on existing fixtures. A low-flow valve on a toilet designed for pre-conservation era water volumes is... bad. The result was a rash of clogged lines which necessitated tearing out walls and jackhammering up foundations to fix. The estimate was that the repairs, emergency service calls, and general increases in day-to-day upkeep totaled three or four times what simply swapping fixtures would have cost. It also resulted in about 50 percent more actual water usage than before because people were flushing four or five times to get things flowing versus a single flush before. Their response? Installing waterless urinals, but without the equipment, supplies, or custodial training necessary to keep the units properly serviced because it was "too expensive". The clogs were no longer a problem but the smell was horrific. Round three was pint-per-flush urinals. Now we finally have functional urinals that can be cleaned and serviced in a traditional manner. All it took was eight years and about six times the money that swapping to low-volume units would have cost in the first place. The low-flow valves on old toilets was never resolved and is an ongoing, and still very expensive, issue.
^^^And I see the author of that blog believes that vaccines are both unnecessary and cause autism. That certainly allows me to give appropriate weight to the medical opinions of a self-described 'private equity entrepreneur'.
I heard from a friend in Montana (of all places) that new cases are again increasing there now that the state is re-opening. I've been following my state's statistics daily and tracking then on a spreadsheet. The number of new cases seems to be bouncing around a bit. I can't say for certain that it's on the rise again, overall, but it doesn't appear that it's clearly falling, either.
I'm going o a business trip in 1 week. Has anyone flown anywhere recently? How is the experience? The airline already notified that there won't be any snack service but they will give you your snack at the beginning. Also you have to wear a mask at all times unless eating or drinking. I'm more concerned that all the restaurants in the terminal will be closed.
Watch the deaths. That's a MUCH better measure of whether the coronavirus is worsening or improving.
I disagree, but it may depend on locality. Around here, many of the deaths, especially early on, were elderly, nursing home residents. Not intended to be facetious, but the "low hanging fruit" as it were. I'm more concerned with knowing how many active cases there are, because that could give me a better perspective on when it's getting safe for me to venture forth. Unfortunately, the state government doesn't share statistics on active cases. I'm getting numbers from the Johns Hopkins web site, but the number of recoveries doesn't change daily, it only changes once a week (or so). And I don't think it's a real number. The number of new cases has been trending (irregularly) down, the number of deaths has been trending (irregularly) down, but the number of active cases is still trending up.
The numbers don't make sense.
Ada, the county that Boise is in, just reverted from stage 4 to stage 3 because of a big spike in cases over the last few days. Coincidentally, "thousands" protested at the capitol right after Floyd's death. Also the majority of people in Boise seem to be wearing masks.
Also, it's very sad (according to the news media) but the deaths just keep climbing. At no point have we [had] a decrease in the number of deaths.
Well, according to the Virginia Department of Health, we've had 58K+ cases... and 0 recoveries.
Also, it's very sad (according to the news media) but the deaths just keep climbing. At no point have we have a decrease in the number of deaths.
Dead is usually a permanent condition.
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makattak reported,
Is this sarcasm about how they should be reporting rates instead of raw numbers? I gotta be careful about what's sarcasm and what ain't nowadays.
Of course the number of deaths will not decrease unless some come back to life.
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=238783
It is a bummer that the research on hydroxychlorquine did not pan out on COVID, but I guess we will be in a good position if malaria strikes.
"Also, it's very sad (according to the news media) but the deaths just keep climbing. At no point have we have a decrease in the number of deaths. "
"Also, it's very sad (according to the news media) but the deaths just keep climbing. At no point have we have a decrease in the number of deaths. "
I suspect what Mak was talking about is reassessment of the CAUSE of death...
As in, well, he was shot in the head 14 times, but had asymptomatic Kung Flu, so Kung Flu was the cause of death.
There were a bunch of reports back in April or so about every death, no matter what the cause, being attributed to Kung Flu if the person tested positive.
"Yes, that was sarcasm, EXCEPT that I've heard media reports that it's concerning because deaths continue to rise."
^That's what I figured: that the sarcasm revolved around the idiot media reports. I just wanted to make sure.
I am highly concerned that deaths have continued to rise since the start of civilization. Surely we can do something about that, no?
Latest estimate (per PRB) is that 108 billion people have died, and this staggering number is still rising.
Terry
REF:
https://www.prb.org/howmanypeoplehaveeverlivedonearth/
??? Who says they're done testing? The last I heard, the study that ruled out hydroxy-whatsit was called into question. Don't we need more information?
No, I was talking about idiot reporters reporting, breathlessly, that the number of deaths keep rising. The TOTAL number of deaths.
Not deaths per day, not deaths per week, but TOTAL deaths keep rising. It's scary! People keep dying and no one recovers from it!
(And apparently, it was a bad joke because if you have to explain it, you failed.)
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/inslee-orders-face-coverings-to-be-worn-in-public-to-help-stem-spread-of-coronavirus/
Due to an uptick in the number of cases, starting Friday, a cloth face mask must be worn in Washington state in any indoor or outdoor space, with some exceptions.
Or is the demand for "cloth" masks in response to an uptick in cases (if real) simply more "do something, anything" hand-fluttering Covid-19 theatre?
Do you really have to ask?
Locally we are getting bombarded with news that "new cases are spiking after the big Trump rally in Tulsa". No mention at all that there were massive Juneteenth events as well as BLM marches and anti-Trump protests held concurrently.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Locally we are getting bombarded with news that "new cases are spiking after the big Trump rally in Tulsa".
I re-inserted that paragraph after I deleted it because MillCreek's cited article did not apparently refer to "cloth" anywhere. So since RoadKingLarry quoted it, I stuck in back in.
So what gives, MillCreek?
But RoadKingLarry's comments seem to ring true:
Terry, 230RN
I didn't know where else to put this, but I just heard a news story on the TV about "bad drivers" out there right now. Why? Because they forgot how to drive while sitting in their homes during the lockdown.
I guess unlike in Idiocracy, it doesn't take 500 years to devolve.
They didn't forget how to drive. The never could.
Most likely. I just find it funny how many things are being connected to the beer virus.
Depending on which article you read, car crashes are either on the decline because of fewer cars on the road, or on the rise because fewer cars means people drive faster/recklessly.
All I know is that when they ended the shutdown here the drivers got way worse and way slower
Yes! Driving 20 mph in a 35 zone. :mad:
I've ordered some almost certainly fake KN95 respirator masks from Amazon. It should be obvious whether they are made of some kind of filter cloth and whether they leak or not. The places that I've found sell real CE certified KN95 and FFP2 masks only sell in very high quantities for about $4 apiece, and then sometimes only sell to existing customers. Even counterfeit masks if they are well made will be better than a scarf or whatever nonsense. For $16 for a box of ten I'll take a chance.
(KN95 and FFP2 are the Chinese and European equivalent specifications for USA N95 respirator masks. There's also Japanese, Australian, Korean, etc specs with different designation, and they are all pretty much equivalent)
Perhaps I should search for P1 respirators. Those only filter 80% instead of 95%, but that's a lot better than nothing.
I noticed that phenomenon when Oklahoma came off lockdown. I had been driving to work on nearly deserted highways and then one Monday *BAM* all the nonessential MF'rs were back on the road.
Nonessential MF'rs can't drive for *expletive deleted*it.
Lincoln County, OR exempts people of color from wearing masks. Only whitey is mandated to wear them. I had to look up Lincoln County. I've driven through there, and it doesn't seem very Portlandy, so weird that they would do it and not Multnomah county.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/24/report-people-of-color-exempt-from-mask-mandate-if-they-have-heightened-concerns-about-racial-profiling-while-wearing-them/
Went to Walmart today, for the first time in over three months. Masks are supposedly mandatory in this state. snip
Masks are mandatory in North Carolina starting this Friday. SWMBO and I have a couple on order from a friend at church. Police will be enforcing our lefty Governor's edict. Misdemeanor penalty if you are caught in a public place not wearing it.
Considering that I carry almost everywhere I go, and that we are a 'shall notify' state, and I really don't want to interact with the popo while carrying, I think I will wear the mask. It's stupid, however.
The going along to get along is just empowering this [stuff].
My county has had two cases. We just don't wear the things. Out in the world I mostly do, or have it available. I'm pretty happy with it, if we can keep this panic up a few years facial recognition tech will be frustrated.
The deep state will simply put rfid tags in the masks. [tinfoil]
If that's the hill you want to die on, whatever.
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I realize this might not be the hill to die on, especially since I dont live in NC it's easy for me to talk. but the executive does not get to make laws. That's the legislature's job. So it's not a misdemeanor unless they passed a law to that affect. He enforces the laws; he cannot enforce his own edicts. It's a separation of powers issue.
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So we are now being asked to write medical exemption letters for mask-wearing. The problem is there is no widely-accepted list of medical or other conditions that are considered as a disability or contra-indication to wearing a mask, so we are having to wing it. The majority of the people asking have no medical/psychiatric conditions whatsoever, which is interesting.
If that's the hill you want to die on, whatever.
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I know some people that should beexempted from wearingrequired to wear a mask...
The masks that I ordered still haven't gotten here. I suspect they will never get here and I'll have to get a refund from Amazon or from my CC company. A day or two after I placed my order, the listing disappeared from Amazon; I click on the link from my order history and get a page not found error. (that's not a good sign.) They claim to have shipped it the next day, but they just generated a shipping label and didn't actually send it to the post office for several days. Annoying but not necessarily a problem. Now the package is several days late, and the USPS tracking says it just departed from New York, headed for who knows where (it originated in California.)
Here's my guess: it's a scam, and they put the wrong zipcode on the package to delay delivery -- and that's assuming it even has the right address. It might be an empty package that they send to someone else's address, and someday weeks from now I will get another person's empty package. I've actually run into that before with an Amazon third party seller. (a used book dealer my wife ordered from. who turned out to be from mainland China)
The largest number of cases are among people ages 18-29 at 1,660 cases.
"...going on hikes..." ???
I'm not clear on why that should be a danger factor. One would think "out in the open in clean fresh air" would be a neutral factor.
Help me understand that.
Terry, 230RN
There is no understanding, but you might ask the cops who arrested the paddleboarder who was like 1/4 mile from anyone but was breaking the virus rules.
"...going on hikes..." ???
I'm not clear on why that should be a danger factor. One would think "out in the open in clean fresh air" would be a neutral factor.
Help me understand that.
Terry, 230RN
I'm not happy that the seller said they shipped on Monday (week and a half ago) but weren't actually given to the post office until several days later, but I'm not all that upset about that either.
If you're out on a hike, you're probably miles from the nearest Karen, and you're certainly not watching CNN tell you how bad the COVID is, or how the President is "the real thug" for dissing the rioters. Heck, you might even be so far out that Twitter can't give you the latest news story about the terrible spike in red state COVID cases.
Very, very dangerous.
Yesterday, all the toilet paper was sold out at the grocery store. Is that widespread?
Haven't seen shortages here in some weeks. I still have plenty, but am down from my pre-pandemic stash, so will probably get a Costco pack or two over the next couple of weeks to top off my supplies.
I still haven't seen small freezers back in stock at any of the big box places here. As soon as they are (at reasonable prices) I still plan on getting one to fill up with meat and stuff. Come Winter, I have a suspicion that either in reality or via MSM panic, the virus will make a big comeback, as will panic buying and hoarding.
My modas operandi is going to be to keep all my normal supplies at or near fully stocked levels versus letting them drop down and replenishing when they're near empty. These days, you never know when panic buying is going to start.
Costco cashiers have never been particularly friendly, but the last time I was at Costco (a few weeks ago) the cashier was horrendous. Nasty, snappish, and largely non-responsive.
Yeah, I get that you're a cashier in a Costco, and that it's during the great plague. Your life choices, not mine. If I'm not yelling at you, I'd appreciate you not acting if I were.
I forgot about alcohol. I need to get some.
Let me know where and when. I used to use a lot of it for cleaning glass and chrome, squirting bugs, as well as a disinfectant. I don't understand why it's still in short supply --a spike in use by the medicos, with C-19?
Terry "I may go to Everclear," 230RN
And some of us use it internally too.
Interesting suggestion that a "spike gene" mutated, thus making it easier for the virus to infect people. Might explain why younger and healthier people now seem to be the majority of newly infected. The previous mutation would have been fended off by a healthy individual. Also might explain the very large new infection rates without (at least from what I have seen) the same death rate as previously. In my state at least, cases have more than doubled, but I haven't yet seen any reports of new deaths.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/scientists-analyzing-coronavirus-mutation-might-spread-virus-faster
I went to Ollie's yesterday. They had stacks and stacks of hand sanitizer in glass liquor bottles- made by a liquor company.
Back in the day when I was homebrewing, I used Everclear to sanitize various fittings and small parts in the brewing process. I had to drive 400 miles roundtrip to get it at an Oregon liquor store, since at that time it was not sold in Washington.
Well, I got to King Soopers (Kroger, City Market, 38th and Sheridan) at 5:15 this AM, Monday. Since someone mentioned a potential shortage of paper towels, that's the first thing I went for since I'm a profligate user thereof.
I was stunned to find the shelves chock-full of PT, TP, and Tissues, to the point where some was sticking out a little in the aisle, and I knocked some stuff down with my cane sticking out of the electric cart basket. (One of these days I'm going to suggest they provide cane scabbards on the carts, but not yet. I'm also thinking of just putting a hook on my cane so I can suspend it vertically from the basket.)
Basically, without doing my own inventory of the store, I found everything I wanted except for alcohol --I'm running low on that. So I picked up a couple of small bottles of hand sanitizer so I could keep one in the car and one in the house.
So I guess King Soopers (Kroger, City Market) has some clout or magic in re paper products.
I will say the people at this store are very helpful and courteous.
I wonder if that's because either I'm a Cute Old Coot (COC), or maybe since I'm courteous to them in the first place, or perhaps that's the way they're trained.
There's a Safeway on the way of my regular erranding route, but I haven't checked that out.
Hope springs eternal. Or at least until 5:15 this Monday morning at the King Soopers at 38th and Sheridan, Wheat Ridge COmmierado.
Terry, 230RN
https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/
Yeah, right.
But Trump rallies spread it right? :facepalm:
That was the first retort that came to my mind as well. Also "white armed militias, terrorizing state capitols and spreading the virus".
This has got to be the most politicized disease in the history of the world.
Basically, without doing my own inventory of the store, I found everything I wanted except for alcohol --I'm running low on that. So I picked up a couple of small bottles of hand sanitizer so I could keep one in the car and one in the house.
Terry, 230RN
“Bottom line, do not leave anything exposed to direct sunlight in the car (that includes cellphones left on the seat or dash, they will explode,” he added.
A suggestion from Szymanski: Keep a small amount in the car and refill the bottle frequently so it is at full strength. “Every time the hand sanitizer is heated to very hot like here in Las Vegas, it loses some of its effectiveness.”
That was the first retort that came to my mind as well. Also "white armed militias, terrorizing state capitols and spreading the virus".
This has got to be the most politicized disease in the history of the world.
I wish they would make up their minds.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/01/who-dont-wear-masks-while-exercising-only-need-to-maintain-3-feet-of-distance/
The feelz is settled.
Until the next feelz comes along that is
Cue GretaWhat about all the extra paper and plastic fast food restaurants are handing out because everything is to go?
Ketchup and mustard packets are pandemic best-sellers. That's bad news for the environment
https://www.wlky.com/article/ketchup-and-mustard-packets-are-pandemic-best-sellers-that-s-bad-news-for-the-environment/33022785
What about all the extra paper and plastic fast food restaurants are handing out because everything is to go?
That's why God invented fire.
Woody
Many (all?) the states and CDC are conflating active infections and those who test positive for antibodies.I wonder how much of that was deliberate and how much is just govt clerks adding everything together because they don't know any better.
The numbers are all BS, believe them at your own peril.
Of all places, the leftwing Atlantic points out the stupidness.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/
Many (all?) the states and CDC are conflating active infections and those who test positive for antibodies.
The numbers are all BS, believe them at your own peril.
Of all places, the leftwing Atlantic points out the stupidness.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/
Check your phone, they have added covid trackers. In Android it's in settings/Google services. Looks like it uses Bluetooth.
Yep, there it is. But supposedly you have to download an app from your state health dept to activate it.
Yep, there it is. But supposedly you have to download an app from your state health dept to activate it.
I see that. What is it supposed to track and report back? The little blurb makes it sounds like it's just warning you if you've entered an exposure area, but I reckon it's doing a lot more in the background.
I see that. What is it supposed to track and report back? The little blurb makes it sounds like it's just warning you if you've entered an exposure area, but I reckon it's doing a lot more in the background.
It broadcasts an ID (supposedly anonymously) over Bluetooth, and records all those ID's it receives from other ppl's phones, along with the GPS coordinates and the BT signal strength. If someone tests positive for Covid, they report it to Google and they notify everyone who has that person's ID stored on their phone. The tracking data is stored for 14 days.Well, that isn't so bad. I am sure there is no risk of anyone holding that tracking data longer than 14 days. :laugh:
Well, that isn't so bad. I am sure there is no risk of anyone holding that tracking data longer than 14 days. :laugh:
I don't have a phone that will run any aps so I can't explore what is going on, but I wouldn't doubt there is a lot going on in every background behind any aps that are supposed to be 'helpful' in any way.
I love my 20-plus year old still functioning Nokia 5190.
Woody
I thought all analog cell service was ended, which means your phone may power up, but you won't have service.
5190 is first-gen digital (2G service). Still works on some services but 2G service is being phased out, by the end of this year if memory serves.
Brad
https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/
Yeah, right.
I think t-mobile is the only network that supports it too. GSM 1900?
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
You wanna protest the country as a horrible, unjust place, go for it!
You wanna celebrate its founding, not allowed.
Doctors in France believe the novel coronavirus could be to blame for a man’s erection that lasted more than four hours, a new case study says.
Blood clots found within the 62-year-old’s penis caused a painful case of priapism — the medical term for a prolonged erection — and is thought to have been triggered by the disease, according to the report published in June in The American Journal of Emergency Medicine.
The case appears to be the first that links penile erections to COVID-19, the team of doctors said.
Add priapism to the list of beer virus risks:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article243960697.html
What a fool I've been avoiding the Covid! A man my age needs all the help he can get! Evil
Woody
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(My personal paranoia [tinfoil] =D based on 6 decades of watching government chicanery (of all governments) is that all this fear-mongering and swabbing is just to secretly add to the DNA database. But take that with a grain of salt and some popcorn. [popcorn] )
These swabs being shoved up people's noses look like the ones used to collect DNA samples. I have no evidence that DNA is being collected, but it certainly is a possibility, isn't it. One could build up/add to a DNA data base with what's on those swabs. There is already a finger print data base. They want a firearms registry. Makes one wonder what else those in control want to gather about each and every one of us.Posted by me on Oklahoma Shooters, 06/16/20
My body is a no swab zone. :hellno:
Woody
Well, I have it on good authority the CoVid is spread by chem-trails.
^ "Great minds think alike."
Paranoia is a survival trait.
Now I wonder how many others have thought this swabbing might be a vehicle for DNA collection.
Show of hands, please?
That may seem like a lot, but the Bluegrass State was one of only 10 states below the century mark. Indiana residents spent 102 hours drunk during the 11-week period, the survey indicated.
South Dakota adults took home the dubious top slot at 468 hours, while Nevada, with its debaucherous Las Vegas weekends on hold during the coronavirus emergency, checked in with just 33 hours of drunk time.
Only 50? Come on Ky, this is the land of bourbon, we can do better than this
Survey finds Kentuckians have been drunk for 50 hours during lockdown
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/08/survey-finds-kentuckians-have-been-drunk-hours-during-lockdown/
Beshear said Thursday he signed an executive order mandating anyone in public wear a mask that will go into effect Friday at 5 p.m. The mandate is in regard to any customers of retail facilities including grocery stores and other forward-facing businesses.
The governor also said if anyone is outdoors in a public space and cannot be six feet from another person, masks are required.
The order will initially be in effect for a period of 30 days.
Gov. Beshear issues mask mandate for Kentucky effective Friday at 5 p.m.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/09/gov-beshear-issues-mask-mandate-kentucky-effective-friday-pm/
A man is spit on for removing his mask while EXITING a Costco. I hope she has to do at least a few days of jail, just because.
The first thing I do when I exit Costco is take off my mask, so I coulda been this guy.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-costco-shopper-coronavirus-mask
Looks to me that she's a little low on endorphins. Any volunteers out there to give her an orgasm or two? :lol:
Woody
A man is spit on for removing his mask while EXITING a Costco. I hope she has to do at least a few days of jail, just because.
The first thing I do when I exit Costco is take off my mask, so I coulda been this guy.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-costco-shopper-coronavirus-mask
She's a teacher? ? ? Can she spell hypocrisy? :O
Meanwhile, in the Play stupid games, Win stupid prizes department ...
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party
A person who was sure COVID-19 is a hoax attended a coronavirus party. Apparently this is now a thing -- people throw these parties to see if anyone gets sick. This person got sick ... and died.
Meanwhile, in the Play stupid games, Win stupid prizes department ...Be nice to have a name attached to that story. I bet he was in one of the vulnerable groups.
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party
A person who was sure COVID-19 is a hoax attended a coronavirus party. Apparently this is now a thing -- people throw these parties to see if anyone gets sick. This person got sick ... and died.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/11/guy-becomes-viral-hero-after-2-mask-shaming-women-accost-him-in-walmart-oh-god-another-one-945570
"You're like monkeys! Dropping out of the trees..."
:laugh:
If I run into someone like that, I'd prefer to handle it a little differently. It might be fun to keep asking them repeat themselves, and let them know you can't hear them, because of the mask.
https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809
I still wear my "obedience training mask" when shopping or at work.
On occasion I also call it the "mask of humiliation" :laugh:
The Chicago area is one of a few epicenters of mass neuroticism and madness of the crowd here in the Divided States of Diversity.
In clown world everyone is required to wear the clown mask.
If you don't, Karen Clown will call the manager.
All managers are clowns in good standing, honk honk.
What is the point of that linked article? ??? It reads quite intelligent .... but claims covid19 disappears in the summer. It's the middle of July and not only is it still here, in the hot hot south it's spiking!!!
Some of the article sounds good .... but I must question it because atleast one assertion seems erroneous.
But, I'm not a biophysicist or a virologist..... so what do I know? [popcorn]
I'm not trying to be contentious but ....
Has anyone determined the percentage of positive cases vs amount of tests over time? I'd like to know if there is a larger percentage of positive results for a given number of tests this month over last month and the month before.I don't see daily info for the whole country so I grabbed some state data.
The spike is in reported cases, reported cases go up with increased testing.
Well,don't worry, even if you keep your distance, wear your mask, etc., you're still going to die because...But pretty much all AC systems have filters on the air recirculation. If those filters are not working, what does that say about all these mask requirements?
AIR CONDITIONING!
Of course, let's turn the AC off, make the Europeans happy, and we'll still die from the heat. But at least we won't die from the Beer Flu...
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/air-conditioning-may-be-factor-in-covid-19-spread-in-the-south/
But pretty much all AC systems have filters on the air recirculation. If those filters are not working, what does that say about all these mask requirements?:facepalm: ....... I somehow don't think that air conditioner filters are effective for the covid19 VIRUS or the aerosolized droplets that they zoom around in. ..... [tinfoil] Maybe. I dunno. :-X
:facepalm: ....... I somehow don't think that air conditioner filters are effective for the covid19 VIRUS or the aerosolized droplets that they zoom around in. ..... [tinfoil] Maybe. I dunno. :-X
:facepalm: ....... I somehow don't think that air conditioner filters are effective for the covid19 VIRUS or the aerosolized droplets that they zoom around in. ..... [tinfoil] Maybe. I dunno. :-X
More and more though, commercial, and even home, HVAC systems have UV lights in the air stream that are put there specifically to kill germs and viri.
I put a Reme Halo in my house at the beginning of this whole fiasco. My buddy had two in stock and I bought it at cost.
I highly recommend it, made a big difference in the house. I have a dirt crawlspace and after heavy rains there is always a musty smell. No more, house always smells fresh.
"Hey, I wonder if that's where my smell comes from?"
Mmmmm, maybe... but I'm betting that it's actually you.
:rofl:
"It's powered by it's own 24v transformer, something like a half amp draw. It stays on even when the furnace is off."
Hum... That might work really well in my home, then, as my air handler is virtually never off. I have the fan set to recirculate. The only time I turn it off is when I'm either changing the filter or when I'm heading out for an extended vacation.
How long does the bulb last?
"It's powered by it's own 24v transformer, something like a half amp draw. It stays on even when the furnace is off."Down here I get condensation issues if I run the fan full time. If your system isn't in the attic, maybe that helps.
Hum... That might work really well in my home, then, as my air handler is virtually never off. I have the fan set to recirculate. The only time I turn it off is when I'm either changing the filter or when I'm heading out for an extended vacation.
How long does the bulb last?
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Daily deaths peaked in late April at about 13 new cases per death. Daily deaths are trending clearly downward and are currently sitting at a rate comparable to late March - almost 1/6th of what they were at peak. Not sure if that is due to fewer severe cases or better treatments.
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I don't see daily info for the whole country so I grabbed some state data.
In early April we were looking at a rolling 7 day average of 4-5 tests per case. That crept up to a peak of about 23 tests per case in late June, and has since fallen to about 10 tests per case.
Anyone know about the safety of these Halo things? I'm not big on making ozone in the house which this does a little of. Crazy allergies here, would be nice to have something to fix it, so far running a dehumidifier 24/7 in the basement(when it doesn't have 18" of water in it) and working on the crawl space vapor barrier.
Down here I get condensation issues if I run the fan full time. If your system isn't in the attic, maybe that helps.
There's a national daily deaths chart available below that has a 7 day moving average precalculated into it. There is a slight spike (753 per day) that has brought us up to June 15th levels. Or April 1st levels on the other side of the chart. We peaked at 2,255 per day.
The relevant chart is about halfway down the page.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
I would just like to point out that the numbers are "reported deaths".Even if you believe the data used overestimate the real numbers it is interesting to see the overall downward trend and the rate of change/comparison to historical absolutes as well as the relationship to reported deaths vs reported infections. If this is the result of cooked numbers trying to exaggerate the danger then the chef needs to spend more time in the kitchen.
Everyone will have to determine for themselves just how much they trust the reporting.
“Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive,” Fox 35 News reported Tuesday. “Other labs had very high positivity rates.”
Orlando Health, for example, reported a 98 percent positivity rate. Lee Memorial Hospital Lab, PanCare of Florida, Inc and Advance Medical of Naples all reported 100 percent positivity rates; no negative results were included.
That rate implies every person tested had a positive result.
Fox 35 News said it investigated the numbers by contacting every local location listed in the report. Orlando Health confirmed to Fox News that the 98 percent figure is incorrect and the positivity rate is actually 9.4 percent.
Rush mentioned this earlier:
Coronavirus update: Florida labs not reporting negative test results, report says
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-update-florida-labs-not-reporting-negative-test-results-report
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/15/florida-labs-incorrectly-reported-a-100-positivity-rate-for-coronavirus-tests/
According to the internal conference calls the FL hospital my wife works at is in the 15-ish% range for positive tests, although they are testing ALL patients, ALL employees with confirmed exposure to a positive case, and any employee that complains of symptoms, so that's a lot of testing. Cases are up, percentage of cases that are requiring hospitalization are up, and percentage of those that require ICU care are up from 30 days ago.* We're also seeing more community spread by PPE complacency then 30 days ago.Based on the dashboard you posted it looks like you are only now hitting your first peak. Almost no detected cases at all until June? Looks like your area is about two/two and a half months behind a lot of the country.
Based on the dashboard you posted it looks like you are only now hitting your first peak. Almost no detected cases at all until June? Looks like your area is about two/two and a half months behind a lot of the country.
Usually this time of year, Costco has a big display of Summer recreational gear like kayaks, inflatables, float tubes, camping gear, etc. There has been practically nothing (at least at my Costco, and river floating is big here) on display the last couple of times I've been there. Just wondering if there is any correlation to people not doing those activities as much now. Though they are outdoor activities where distancing is easy. Anyway, I thought it was abnormal.
Saw an interesting phenomenon on the 4th of July. All the fireworks stands around Tulsa were essentially sold out by midafternoon. I don't know if it was due to a lack of supply or a higher than usual sales volume.
Saw an interesting phenomenon on the 4th of July. All the fireworks stands around Tulsa were essentially sold out by midafternoon. I don't know if it was due to a lack of supply or a higher than usual sales volume.
If you'd like to call my wife or I a liar, you can of course, but I will take umbrage if you do.
Today for the first time, I noticed some Costco employees wearing clear face shields instead of masks. The kind of face shield you might wear for grinding or something. Totally open around the sides and bottom. I suppose it would stop the physical material from a sneeze or something, but I'm thinking it's not very effective for anything else. I'm wondering if employees are complaining about breathing problems with masks, and Costco gave them an out with the face shields. To me, that just kind of gives the impression of "mask theater" versus really wanting people to wear masks for protection of themselves and others.
There are claims these are about as effective as masks. I don't know myself.
Well, I suppose they're better than mask below the nose, which I've seen done by many employees at different stores.Some people do have breathing issues and some of those masks don't help at all. I can see something like a face shield making it much easier for some people.
We're pretty steady with the rest of FL. The first US peak was CA and NY mostly. FL is getting a lot of the second one.It helps that Florida did not force COVID-19 patients into nursing homes. I think Texas is in that first peak category to an extent. I heard hospitalizations were up, but may have fallen off a little lately.
More and more though, commercial, and even home, HVAC systems have UV lights in the air stream that are put there specifically to kill germs and viri.
According to the internal conference calls the FL hospital my wife works at is in the 15-ish% range for positive tests, although they are testing ALL patients, ALL employees with confirmed exposure to a positive case, and any employee that complains of symptoms, so that's a lot of testing. Cases are up, percentage of cases that are requiring hospitalization are up, and percentage of those that require ICU care are up from 30 days ago.* We're also seeing more community spread by PPE complacency then 30 days ago.
Our county (Hillsborough County) is about the same on the morning calls. According to the county's dashboard (https://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/residents/public-safety/emergency-management/stay-safe/covid-19-dashboard#cases) out 14 day rolling average is currently at 16.16% of tests are positive. Over the entire pandemic our percent of positive tests are 9.9%
*I know this is a source of contention on here, and that's one of the reasons I don't post much in this thread. To the skeptics, I would warn that ,unless noted and accompanied by a link, I am only talking about the numbers here in Tampa that I was either present for the conference call discussing them, or my wife or close friends (who are employed at area hospitals and are actually treating the COVID cases or managing our response here in Tampa) have first hand knowledge of. I'm not going off of podcasts or internet oped numbers. If you'd like to call my wife or I a liar, you can of course, but I will take umbrage if you do.
One of the schools east of me has plans for teachers to wear face shields and the kids wear nothing.
Well, I suppose they're better than mask below the nose, which I've seen done by many employees at different stores.
Any data on the demographics and overall percentage of those requiring hospitalization and/or ICU care?
Any data on the demographics and overall percentage of those requiring hospitalization and/or ICU care?Here's some age data for all of Florida:
I find the slight uptick after 108 years old kind of strange.I think those were NAs. I should have removed them.
10 deaths yesterday in my county from Covid. Up until Tuesday we just had one covid 19 death since the start. I know the medical examiner and he would not fudge any numbers.
The medical examiner will use the definition he is told to use.Or it will be reinterpreted up the chain.
The medical examiner will use the definition he is told to use.Even if someone is operating in good faith it can be difficult to determine actual causes of death. Death from COVID and death with COVID are two different things.
On a positive note, due to a slow economy, I'm in the process of lowering my mortgage rate greater than 1% and shortening the term for the same payment amount I am making today.
On a positive note, due to a slow economy, I'm in the process of lowering my mortgage rate greater than 1% and shortening the term for the same payment amount I am making today.
I just got a new 30year with 20% down for 2.875. That's 0.5% lower than the 15 year mortgage a had a couple years ago.
Charby was likewise worried about the sneaky Republicans manipulating testing to hide COVID19 infections in Iowa. Just as his concerns turned out to be partisan fearmongering, so too your constant claims that because some numbers aren't accurate all numbers are junk therefore we must ignore them all is little more than a conspiracy theory.
"timely manor"
They won't let you get your test at timely manor?
But it's such a spacious manor, which allows for proper social distancing...
:-*
Wait a minute there cowboy, I said the governor of Iowa, not the republicans.Ah. My mistake.
She still hasn't opened up Iowa testing centers in all area of Iowa. I live in a regional hub town, and I still would have to drive 70 miles one way to state testing site, well after I get an appointment confirmation via the website. My GP office is so back logged that I would never get the initial appointment in to be able to get a Covid test in a timely manor locally.If you can't get in with your GP or an alternate provider, are your local hospitals not doing testing? Check out Walgreens - there's probably one in your town and some locations are doing free testing. A lot of urgent care clinics are doing tests as well. I'm sure you've got a couple of them nearby.
Ah. My mistake.If you can't get in with your GP or an alternate provider, are your local hospitals not doing testing? Check out Walgreens - there's probably one in your town and some locations are doing free testing. A lot of urgent care clinics are doing tests as well. I'm sure you've got a couple of them nearby.
I suspect that the testing is available if you're interested, even if it isn't at a state-funded site.
GP is part of the hospital system here, yea for MercyOne. I'll check with Walgreens, thanks for the suggestion.
I watch the local news around here and one of the small towns around me is doing drive through testing every weekend. Maybe a clinic maybe an optimist club or VFW parking lot.
That said, you regularly harp on the "FAKE NUMBERS!" side of things. Some people are certainly manipulating numbers for political gain, but I'm not convinced it is as common as you pretend. Charby was likewise worried about the sneaky Republicans manipulating testing to hide COVID19 infections in Iowa. Just as his concerns turned out to be partisan fearmongering, so too your constant claims that because some numbers aren't accurate all numbers are junk therefore we must ignore them all is little more than a conspiracy theory.
Has anyone else heard the conjecture that herd immunity for Chinavirus may be as low as 10%?
I disagree. The concern is the aggregate number(s). If any of the numbers adding up to the aggregate are bunkum, IMHO that invalidates the whole package.
Has anyone else heard the conjecture that herd immunity for Chinavirus may be as low as 10%?
“The prevalence of immunity to the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 may be much higher than previous research suggests according to an intriguing new study by researchers associated with Karolinska Institute in Sweden,” Reason magazine reported. “In addition, a new German study by researchers associated with the University Hospital Tübingen in Germany reports that people who have been previously infected with versions of the coronavirus that cause the common cold also have some immunity to the COVID-19 virus. If these reports stand up to further scrutiny, it would be very good news because they suggest that the pandemic could be over sooner and ultimately be less lethal than feared.”
On the numbers side it came out last week and again today that some states are adding positive case and antibody positives to the total current cases.
Even if someone is operating in good faith it can be difficult to determine actual causes of death. Death from COVID and death with COVID are two different things.
That said, you regularly harp on the "FAKE NUMBERS!" side of things. Some people are certainly manipulating numbers for political gain, but I'm not convinced it is as common as you pretend. Charby was likewise worried about the sneaky Republicans manipulating testing to hide COVID19 infections in Iowa. Just as his concerns turned out to be partisan fearmongering, so too your constant claims that because some numbers aren't accurate all numbers are junk therefore we must ignore them all is little more than a conspiracy theory.
I have no doubt that Charby's medical examiner and dogmush's hospital contacts are seeing a real increase in death associated with COVID19. Their areas have not yet been hit very hard or at all. When COVID19 reaches those areas they will see similar increased death rates as other areas - especially among elderly and those with serious preexisting health conditions, but also somewhat randomly among otherwise pretty healthy young people. People going through this for the first time are worried because they're only seeing now what many parts of the country saw months ago. The data are pretty consistent when you adjust for the infection start, isolation efforts, and testing.
Deaths associated with COVID tend to spike over the course of something like two to two and a half months followed by a taper down in a long tail. Lockdowns and mask requirements can stretch this out but the ultimate end result is the about the same because at some point the lockdown lifts and COVID has infection reservoirs all over the world and will come back in.
I know you've recognized several times that COVID kills people. If your argument is that the death rate is low enough, or the age of the people killed is high enough that we shouldn't shut down or shouldn't require masks, or whatever ... fine, make that point. That doesn't mean that the numbers are complete bunk. What they show is pretty consistent and - like any statistic - only as alarmist as the person reporting them.
In the last week there have been very incouraging reports of vaccines that look tremendously promising. Last Friday on Tucker Carlson Dr. Siegel spoke of one, and he returned this week on TC to tout another. Just 10 minutes ago at the top of hour radio news another report on a promising vaccine.
So... why don't we find 10,000 healthy young volunteers, pay them big $$$ each to take the shot and then expose them to the virus?
Why are we dragging out this nightmare with this incredibly slow "testing" process?
You're thinking of the Lewis and Clark America, or possibly the Apollo era America. Today's America doesn't take risks like that.
So... why don't we find 10,000 healthy young volunteers, pay them big $$$ each to take the shot and then expose them to the virus?
Why are we dragging out this nightmare with this incredibly slow "testing" process?
Hospitals around here are hemorrhaging cash because of COVID. The subsidies (whatever they end up being) don't even come close to covering the costs associated with shutting down large portions of the hospital and large swaths of available services to handle COVID.
Thinking that the "health care industry" is stretching this out to suck on sweet subsidy teats is tin foil level nonsense. I promise they'd rather be back to charging folks for heart translants and ACL repairs so they could rehire the nurses and staff they've had to furlough.
It makes no sense because they'd make more money to hide COVID numbers and open back up to normal business.
That's why it's tin foil, because why would they lie to prolong a situation that is costing them millions of dollars? If they were going to lie, they would lie to make more money. Even WITH fed money healthcare around here is losing just a ton of money.
So... why don't we find 10,000 healthy young volunteers, pay them big $$$ each to take the shot and then expose them to the virus?
Why are we dragging out this nightmare with this incredibly slow "testing" process?
What I've been reading is that "herd immunity" probably doesn't work at all for CV-19.
Doesn't this line of thought come from people coming back with positive cases after having already had it?
Aren't there reports that the tests aren't accurate?
So... why don't we find 10,000 healthy young volunteers, pay them big $$$ each to take the shot and then expose them to the virus?
Why are we dragging out this nightmare with this incredibly slow "testing" process?
Hospitals around here are hemorrhaging cash because of COVID. The subsidies (whatever they end up being) don't even come close to covering the costs associated with shutting down large portions of the hospital and large swaths of available services to handle COVID.
Thinking that the "health care industry" is stretching this out to suck on sweet subsidy teats is tin foil level nonsense. I promise they'd rather be back to charging folks for heart translants and ACL repairs so they could rehire the nurses and staff they've had to furlough.
Hospitals around here are hemorrhaging cash because of COVID. The subsidies (whatever they end up being) don't even come close to covering the costs associated with shutting down large portions of the hospital and large swaths of available services to handle COVID.
Thinking that the "health care industry" is stretching this out to suck on sweet subsidy teats is tin foil level nonsense. I promise they'd rather be back to charging folks for heart translants and ACL repairs so they could rehire the nurses and staff they've had to furlough.
Back to hospitals over-treating for COVID, the doctors in the web conference all admitted that, aside from anti-inflammatory or steroid drugs, and aside from experimental procedures like the plasma treatments which are only available to a few people now, there is nothing that they can do to treat COVID. In the next sentence, they complained about how they were running short on (non-ICU) beds for COVID patients. So, if there is nothing they can do to treat it, why are they filling up the hospital with COVID patients? Probably because they have capacity for them, and they can bill for the beds. After all they can't bill for much else right now. It's not cynical, it's what's going to happen. The silver lining is the COVID patients won't run around spreading in the community if they are sitting in the hospital. But this is the problem when we hear that hospitals are "90% full". They are full of people who don't need to be there. If COVID numbers start to get real bad, like real-pandemic instead of political-pandemic bad, they will stop accepting patients that don't need intensive care.
I personally know a lab tech that took 3 tests in a sterile room and opened and immediately sealed them without touching anything......drumroll....you guesser it.....3 positive tests that never touched a person.
Covid-19 infection destroys your sense of smell - Everyone must be infected because the smell of bullshit is overwhelming.
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About milking the COVID subsidies, I have two problems with this idea. First, I hear wildly different numbers about whether there are COVID subsidies at all, or how much they are. I ask 5 different people and they all heard the hospitals get between $3000 and 15,000 per patient. So how much is it, and why is the information not easy to find?
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They're in development, not ready yet.
A supposed SARS vaccine once killed every lab animal it was tested on. Trust me, you WANT it tested on lab critters ...
Whoever the gov officials involved in in telling the public not to wear masks, and to put infected people in nursing homes should be fired, if not prosecuted.
Moderna already has a vaccine being tested on humans.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna-final-phase-testing/
Apparently, they are giving it to the subjects and just sitting around waiting to see if they get infect by the virus by random chance.
They need to expose subjects to the virus.
I'm not the only one saying so:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/16/scientists-call-for-volunteers-to-be-exposed-to-the-coronavirus-to-test-vaccines.html
Oh, and Ron is right again... as usual.
Whoever the gov officials involved in in telling the public not to wear masks, and to put infected people in nursing homes should be fired, if not prosecuted.
While rioters in Portland get to run wild, a couple in Kentucky get ankle monitors to keep them from leaving their home because the wife has the virus.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-couple-house-arrest-ankle-monitors-coronavirus-quarantine-documents
I won't hold my breath waiting for Governor Cuomo to prosecute himself. He's the genius who put the CV-19 patients into nursing homes in NY state.
The dumbest thing I read today on Facebook, I wonder what meme or pundit educated this person. I'm going to guess that their last science class was as a HS sophomore and took "rocks for jocks" and "weather for communications majors" in college. I really want to ask this Rhodes Scholar how has this worked out for HIV?
"Viruses run their course and are recognized as symbiotic organisms. They do not attempt to kill us, but to coexist in us. They generally mutate to less virulent strains so this completely makes sense. Any epidemiologist or member of the scientific community that refutes this is ignoring basic virology. It may be too early to have data, but a virus is a virus is a virus and we’ve studied the hell out of corona viruses."
While rioters in Portland get to run wild, a couple in Kentucky get ankle monitors to keep them from leaving their home because the wife has the virus.So if they just cut the monitors off, would the police arrest them or just leave them in the house?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-couple-house-arrest-ankle-monitors-coronavirus-quarantine-documents
While rioters in Portland get to run wild, a couple in Kentucky get ankle monitors to keep them from leaving their home because the wife has the virus.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-couple-house-arrest-ankle-monitors-coronavirus-quarantine-documents
My part was if I have to go to the ER, if I have to go to the hospital, I’m not going to wait to get the approval to go,” Linscott told the station.Seems reasonable on it's face.
In the event that my condition requires immediate medical assistance, I will notify the nearest emergency department and inform them of my novel coronavirus status before transport to that facility
Elizabeth Linscott said that although she never refused to self-quarantine, “that's exactly what the director of the public health department told the judge."
"I'm like, 'that's not the case at all. I never said that,” she said.
I will do my best to stay home, as I do every other time I get sick. But I cannot comply to having to call the public health department everytime that I need to go out and do something. It's my right and freedoms to go where I please and not have to answer to anyone for it. There is no pandemic and with a survival rate of 99.9998%, I'm fine. I will continue to avoid the elderly, just like PRIOR guidelines state, try to stay home, get rest, get medicine and get better. I decline
So, essentially, a modern-day version of Typhoid Mary.
If you've never read up on Typhoid Mary, it's really interesting.
So from my frequent interactions with County Health over the years, written agreements regarding self-quarantine or self-reporting are the standard of care, and have been used for decades before COVID. This is generally done for a couple of reasons:
1. The average person is more likely to follow an agreement that they have signed.
2. If you fail to comply with the requirements, the Courts like to see a written agreement before they impose sanctions.
There was a lot of hullabaloo a few decades back when County Health all over the country was asking/requiring HIV+ persons to notify potential sexual partners of their + status and to sign an agreement accordingly. This was before such behavior was criminalized. I don't recall the MAGA crowd getting worked up back then over the 'my rights' of the gays being trampled and having to sign government agreements.
So from my frequent interactions with County Health over the years, written agreements regarding self-quarantine or self-reporting are the standard of care, and have been used for decades before COVID. This is generally done for a couple of reasons:
1. The average person is more likely to follow an agreement that they have signed.
2. If you fail to comply with the requirements, the Courts like to see a written agreement before they impose sanctions.
There was a lot of hullabaloo a few decades back when County Health all over the country was asking/requiring HIV+ persons to notify potential sexual partners of their + status and to sign an agreement accordingly. This was before such behavior was criminalized. I don't recall the MAGA crowd getting worked up back then over the 'my rights' of HIV+ being trampled and having to sign government agreements.
Seems to me covid19 is slightly less lethal than HIV..... :police:
Actually no. We have very good treatment for HIV now and the death rate from HIV is very low and the majority of HIV+ persons die of something else. You cannot necessarily make the same statements (at this time) for COVID.
Actually no. We have very good treatment for HIV now and the death rate from HIV is very low and the majority of HIV+ persons die of something else. You cannot necessarily make the same statements (at this time) for COVID.
Except this will be over in two weeks.
That was what I was referencing in my first post, although it appears my NYC geography is lacking because North Brother Island is in the East River, not the Hudson.
Actually no. We have very good treatment for HIV now and the death rate from HIV is very low and the majority of HIV+ persons die of something else. You cannot necessarily make the same statements (at this time) for COVID.
"I guess my problem is the government demanding I sign an agreement instead of not taking my word that I'll stay home or make the proper contacts or use safe protocols if there is a legitimate reason to leave."
World would be a great place if we could take people at their word and they would actually follow through with it.
But you know, the world is populated with aholes and morons.
Reading between the lines of what the woman wrote (as opposed to what she told the media), it seems her attitude was essentially, "I'll stay at home unless I want to go out somewhere." IMHO, that's a rather odd definition of "self-quarantine."
So we just had our weekly briefing with the state Department of Health, and they want all the healthcare facilities in Washington to start beating the drum now for encouraging flu shots. They, as well as the Feds, think this is going to be a big flu season this year, and if that is superimposed on top of COVID, it won't be pretty. The vaccine is already out for this year's projected flu strains. One of the biggest problems is going to be testing supplies. There are already shortages of swabs, saline media, universal transport media and various reagents to run the tests. We don't have enough domestic manufacturing capacity, and .gov thinks we cannot rely on the just-in-time delivery and inventory models from offshore countries. It is time to start the APS Lab and PPE Manufacturing, Inc.
"I guess my problem is the government demanding I sign an agreement instead of not taking my word that I'll stay home or make the proper contacts or use safe protocols if there is a legitimate reason to leave."Yeah, and some of them work in the medical field and put ankle monitors on people who committed no crime.
World would be a great place if we could take people at their word and they would actually follow through with it.
But you know, the world is populated with aholes and morons.
Good luck with that, Millcreek. I'd bet money the APS Lab and PPE Manufacturing, Inc. would quickly devolve into APS Distilling, Ammunition and Tobacco, Inc.
Don't you and Ben have a hill to die on?
Don't you and Ben have a hill to die on?
I'm sitting here on the hill waiting for other people to show up. I brought whiskey and cigars. =D
According to the X-Files, (they are as reliable as any other news source) the government took DNA samples and is tracking us via our smallpox vaccinations. But only boomers and older (and maybe the military; not sure about that) have been vaccinated against smallpox, so the COVID vaccine will be round 2.
So from my frequent interactions with County Health over the years, written agreements regarding self-quarantine or self-reporting are the standard of care, and have been used for decades before COVID. This is generally done for a couple of reasons:
1. The average person is more likely to follow an agreement that they have signed.
2. If you fail to comply with the requirements, the Courts like to see a written agreement before they impose sanctions.
There was a lot of hullabaloo a few decades back when County Health all over the country was asking/requiring HIV+ persons to notify potential sexual partners of their + status and to sign an agreement accordingly. This was before such behavior was criminalized. I don't recall the MAGA crowd getting worked up back then over the 'my rights' of HIV+ being trampled and having to sign government agreements.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/health/coronavirus-data-states-cdc.html
This would be a very big help: a call to standardize how COVID data is collected and coded across the country. Then we can be comparing apples to apples. I hope that the CDC goes ahead with this.
We are seven and a half months into the year and you still have popcorn. Should have bought more TP.
Cobs is what I mean to say. Although wouldn't husks work as well?
Cobs is what I mean to say.
Cobs? Used in a swiping motion or reaming motion? Asking for a friend. :rofl:
Cobs? Used in a swiping motion or reaming motion? Asking for a friend. :rofl:
Primary Arms sells corn cobs? You know you can get them for free right?No, it was a side rail mount for a corn cob.
No, it was a side rail mount for a corn cob.
I know what I'm going to do tomorrow. =D
Finally got tested yesterday, 50 miles from my home only open MWF from 1-3pm, need to make an appointment first.
Is that the "Do I have it?" test, or the "Did I have it" test? A few weeks ago I wanted to do the former, but still want to do the latter. Idaho has been kinda sucky for test availability. They are still very much into "health/life threatening only". To me, it's just as important to have tests for asymptomatic people widely available.
My test results came back negative.
I meant ask, are/were you having symptoms?
No, just been traveling the state for work and my town is a current hot spot. I'll probably try to get tested every week if I can.
Admit it; you just like having a nurse shove a pipe cleaner up your nose :) Is she cute?
Every "WTF?" decision Roberts makes that comes down on the wrong side of liberty increases my belief that he has been compromised in some manner.
Censored by big tech? Say it ain't so
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/
I read yet another article just yesterday that proclaimed hydrochloroquine to be useless against COVID-19.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/29/895152258/data-analysis-covid-19-is-filling-up-hospitals-in-small-cities?utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1VAg3cDmoe-TmCgugHJlBFN8W3l00bXeefifuRzOOwuL5sTmxCaQZHlAw&fbclid=IwAR2MCcrvy5nF4AIAvLp7srIErMXlpuTPRx_S3hAJRFHa8nZgLlCiDL9WB60
Uh oh, Ben, it is coming for you!
My daughter's friend went to the local Hospital (Aurora Lakeland) to be tested for COVID-19. He got tired of waiting around and left before he could be tested. A few days later he got his results in the mail that said he was tested positive,
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773
Dr. Stella Immanuel has some interesting personal and clinical opinions.
From a friend here in WI:QuoteMy daughter's friend went to the local Hospital (Aurora Lakeland) to be tested for COVID-19. He got tired of waiting around and left before he could be tested. A few days later he got his results in the mail that said he was tested positive,
:facepalm:
From a friend here in WI:
:facepalm:
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.
I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs. Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.
I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs. Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.
I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs. Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
Is it possible he was telling the truth?
Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.
Maybe because all the numbers are demonstrably bullshit?
I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs. Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice. You cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear? Fear is how governments control their people.
I've heard similar stories about different people in Iowa, nurses submitting used tests, etc and coming back positive. I think it about as true as Elvis being alive and living in rural Iowa.
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.
I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs. Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs. Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.
I can never tell if you are trying to be sarcastic or if you are trolling or if you are really just that *expletive deleted*ing stupid and arrogant.
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
Is it possible he was telling the truth?
Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.
Maybe because all the numbers are demonstrably bullshit?
I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs. Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice. You cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear? Fear is how governments control their people.
I've heard similar stories about different people in Iowa, nurses submitting used tests, etc and coming back positive. I think it's about as true as Elvis being alive and living in rural Iowa.
Maybe try articulating a response - how do Governments benefit from this???? I’m asking the question seriously. Presumably they want new structural powers and more of your tax dollars. COVID response has only highlighted the weakness of Government powers and has definitely impacted revenue sources of all kinds.Could you read this back to yourself?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773
Dr. Stella Immanuel has some interesting personal and clinical opinions.
Despite some early studies raising hopes that the drug could be used to cure coronavirus, one subsequent larger scale trial has shown it is not effective as a treatment.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773
Dr. Stella Immanuel has some interesting personal and clinical opinions.
How does fear of COVID in particular enhance government power?
How does fear of COVID in particular enhance government power?
Let me ask you this - what’s a medical source whose opinion you would trust on COVID, and why would you trust that source over the CDC or media interviews with hospital ICU directors?All of our sources of information are pumping out BS 24/7.
All of our sources of information are pumping out BS 24/7.
We have no way of knowing the truth of these matters except at a local level, by anecdotal evidence, from those within our circle of acquaintances.
Who/what is attacked by the Masters of the current Narrative can be a useful guide by believing the opposite of what they say. Although that's how they've controlled the right wing for years so it is a less than perfect tool.
My local intel, being in the shadow of Chicago and five miles from one of our first hot spots, is that it is a nasty bug that will put the hurt on those susceptible to it due to comorbitities or other less understood reasons. My intel comes from circles that include police, nurses, doctors, folks who are closer to the "front lines" here. There is great hesitation on their part to contradict the FEAR narrative and their actions show compliance to the narrative but they also show observable levels of less fear and less neurotic behavior.
ORANGEMANBAD must be defeated!
That, combined with an entire ruling class terrified of type I errors (which would mean people die of coronavirus and the ruling class would be blamed for that) and not caring at all about type II errors (which would mean even more people are dying of the reaction to the coronavirus- from lack of medical care, dispair deaths, etc...- where the deaths are far more likely to go under the radar and the ruling class is unlikely to be blamed) we have a MASSIVELY risk averse overclass about one set of risks but completely unconcerned about a different set of risks.
That leads to stupidity like SHUTTING DOWN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY over a disease the appears to be more dangerous than the flu, but not greatly so, and is, in fact, LESS dangerous than the flu for younger people.
This is tantamount to saying that rumours and Facebook posts by people you know are better quality info than scientific studies - and even then you acknowledge the first hand narratives say this is a nasty bug.
It’s killed more people by any measure than an average flu test already, there’s good evidence it does serious damage to many more, and the infection rate is whatever else many orders of magnitude higher than SARS or MERS.
I guess you won’t be laughing at articles about Saudi Arabians thinking that pigeons are spies or about other random folk beliefs - those things come from firsthand accounts over any sort of reliance on scientific, peer reviewed and published sources just the same as folk beliefs about COVID.
After all these years your rhetoric hasn't gotten any better, your arguments are always arguments with your own feeble constructs.
The organizations, scientific studies etc you reference have demonstrably lied to us over and over as well as promoted models that were designed to scare the hell out of people, more lies.
The numbers are all lies (death, cases etc), also demonstrably provable.
Now we can discuss just how much they are lying to us. Some here think they are only lying to us a little, others think they are telling us big whoppers. We can discuss why they are lying to us, for our own good or nefarious reasons.
I personally just take the word of liars for what it's worth ... others willingly believe lies.
Maybe try articulating a response - how do Governments benefit from this????
I can never tell if you are trying to be sarcastic or if you are trolling or if you are really just that *expletive deleted*ing stupid and arrogant.
How did you come to see that the “institutions” demonstrably lied if there’s no reliable information being reported? Did you decide that the CDC was full of crap based on what your friends sent you on FB? Or by “demonstrably” are you referring to some evidence that was reported which you actually find credible?I listened to the actual people in charge describe what constitutes a reported Covid 19 death. Dying with Covid 19 is coded as dying by Covid 19.
Genuinely curious to know - what information was reliable enough to convince you that the CDC and WHO science on COVID is at least partly lies and again, if the numbers are all fake, how’d you get enough of a number to rate COVID compared to flu or to evaluate the regulatory response???
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.
I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs. Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.
Question - if you don’t believe any statistics about the disease, how did you conclude it’s less dangerous than the flu, and therefore that government policy is just conservative?
For the life of me, I can't fathom how an immunosuppressant could be used as a prevention of a viral infection, or even offer a cure in a mild to moderate case.
"I'm not a human doctor,..."
There's also been legitimate questions about the human part... :-* >:D
I think the doctors calling hydroxycoquiline a cure are quacks, but perhaps they are just using poor terminology. The ones calling it a treatment might be onto something. The media and agencies suppressing any discussion of it being a possible treatment are as bad or worse than the quacks.I realize some people mentioned it as a "cure"(not sure who), but my understanding is it was always just a treatment for the symptoms. The first time I heard about it months ago it was a treatment not a cure. I don't know why there seems to be this resistance to using it on the left other than "Trump said good things about it so it must be bad".
I don't know how hydroxycoquiline specifically works against malaria parasites (and haven't tried to read anything about it), but it is possible that the same mechanism coincidentally helps against this specific virus. I read something a month ago about ACE-1 inhibitors, and that's a blood pressure medicine, but if the virus gains entry to cells thru that pathway, sure why not?
I realize some people mentioned it as a "cure"(not sure who), but my understanding is it was always just a treatment for the symptoms. The first time I heard about it months ago it was a treatment not a cure. I don't know why there seems to be this resistance to using it on the left other than "Trump said good things about it so it must be bad".
I think it goes beyond that. If it were really and truly ineffective and possibly even counterproductive and/or harmful, you can rest assured that the Democrats would love to have ORANGEMANBAD proclaiming its virtues from the rooftops. The fact that they are trying to hard to portray it in a completely negative light suggests to me that it has potential to be helpful, and the Democrats can't afford to let anything good be associated with Trump.
Impressive response, counselor.
Start with a nonsequitor argument made by people other than the interlocutor, AND exaggerate the argument such that I have to take time to try to both correct the mistaken characterization of the argument AND note that I was not the originator of that argument.
It would prevent most people from continuing down their own line of argumentation and get them distracted into the weeds.
NEXT, you also mischaracterize my own words such that when I actually said "is more dangerous than the flu" you state it as "less dangerous than the flu", once again getting my argument bogged down in correcting falsehoods.
THEN, you don't really address my argument at all that the government is causing more deaths and damage by overreaction than are being caused by the virus and dismiss that argument as the government "being conservative."
All in all, impressive obfuscation and misdirection. I'm sure it's very useful in court, but none of it really dealt with my argument that the government is both inept and corrupt.
Also, look at how much time and space I required to address your single sentence. Again, impressive sophisty.
I don't know how many have died of covid 19, none here do and the government doesn't know either.
It will probably shake out like a real bad flu year or maybe a little worse. If I were to guess.
Considering the extreme efforts they've gone through in inflating the numbers across the board there is no real data to even come up with an accurate number.
For me, the lack of a nationwide standard of what constitutes a covid death tells me they really aren't interested in knowing.
That is useful information in itself.
Yep, there's big money behind it too:That is interesting.
https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1277595471989571585
I think the doctors calling hydroxycoquiline a cure are quacks, but perhaps they are just using poor terminology. The ones calling it a treatment might be onto something. The media and agencies suppressing any discussion of it being a possible treatment are as bad or worse than the quacks.
I don't know how hydroxycoquiline specifically works against malaria parasites (and haven't tried to read anything about it), but it is possible that the same mechanism coincidentally helps against this specific virus. I read something a month ago about ACE-1 inhibitors, and that's a blood pressure medicine, but if the virus gains entry to cells thru that pathway, sure why not?
I don't know how many have died of covid 19, none here do and the government doesn't know either.
It will probably shake out like a real bad flu year or maybe a little worse. If I were to guess.
Considering the extreme efforts they've gone through in inflating the numbers across the board there is no real data to even come up with an accurate number.
For me, the lack of a nationwide standard of what constitutes a covid death tells me they really aren't interested in knowing.
That is useful information in itself.
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.
I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs. Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.
You're trolling, right?
I refer you to my reply #3662 above.
=D
DeSelby's supposedly a lawyer. I thought they were supposed to be able to tell when they're being lied to.
Ok. Let's take that as gospel for the moment. At least as bad as "a real bad flu year or maybe a little worse". Where I live in FL, which is a "hot spot" right now, there are not a ton of noticeable COVID-19 mandates. There is a mask mandate. There are, I guess, some restaurant rules, although I have had no trouble getting tables in the last two months. There may end up being school changes next month, but that's not finalized. Other than dots on the floor for lines (which these nasty MFer's needed before) and masks, there's no real effect on day to day living. There is an issue with available healthcare due to resources being used on folks sick with COVID, but those resources are being used, not just held back in reserve.
So what's your issue? Are you seeing something else? Lockdowns are, as far as I can tell, over. There are mask mandates, physical distancing requirements, and.........? That seems to be the US response to COVID-19. Which you admit is as bad or worse than a "real bad flu year".
What would you think an appropriate response at this point* would be?
*Given, and I agree, that an appropriate response back in Feb-Mar would have been quarantining sick people and aggressive contact tracing to quarantine possible carriers. You quarantine sick people, not entire societies. However for better or worse that ship has sailed and COVID-19 is pretty established in our population.
So what's your issue? Are you seeing something else? Lockdowns are, as far as I can tell, over. There are mask mandates, physical distancing requirements, and.........? That seems to be the US response to COVID-19.
I don't think we can claim the "lock-down" is over .......
Okay - so you think it is more dangerous than the flu. But not for young people.
You just don’t have any statistics you believe that allow you to conclude that? Is your estimation of the danger based on what your mates send you on Facebook, or a data source that you actually believe?
You ignore the entirety of my post except for one small admission of your own mendacity, and then go back to the very first part of my post to ascribe to me a position I've already noted was not my own and is an exaggeration of the position others have made in this thread. Making me, once again, focus on quibbling over a position on data that I've never taken AND ignoring the crux of the argument that the government, by their own measures, has overreacted and been both inept and corrupt.
I have to say, that's pretty much what I expected. It's very good, disciplined debating tactics. Well done.
So I missed that - did you have some source of info that allowed you to make conclusions about COVID other than those made by the CDC?
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87844?xid=nl_medpageexclusive_2020-07-31&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MPTExclusives_073120&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Medpage_Exclusives_Active
An interesting article about a proponent of HCQ. I can say that in my healthcare system, almost no one is now using HCQ because of the lack of good evidence of efficacy, and the demonstrable risk of cardiac problems.
Other countries? Here's some data for you:
(https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-23%20at%206.18.52%20PM.png)
That's from Switzerland, from a month ago.
(https://i.insider.com/5e81f6460c2a6261b1771b05?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Here's the US statistics on Flu. (I'm admittedly ignoring the data on coronavirus in that chart, because it is based on the very limited data of confirmed cases, versus the (unknown) total cases.)
Let's look at this. Hmm...
Flu death rate is estimated to be at .01% for ages 0-17 and .02% for people 18-49.
Coronavirus death rate is estimated to be .002% for age 5-9 and .0003% for ages 10-17. That's somewhere on the line of flu being 10 times deadlier. 18-49 it is estimated at .009%, which is more dangerous- it's almost HALF of the flu's death rate.
Once we get into the higher age brackets, it's now more deadly than the flu. (If this one broke down 40-50, I'm betting it would not be as deadly as the flu, as my recollection is that age 60 is where the deadliness truly increases.)
And, I predict, we'll now proceed to arguing about why I use that data1 and don't trust the CDC data, instead of recognizing the CDC data is quite bad and limited, which is why I don't use the confirmed cases and confirmed deaths as the main source for estimating the death rate.
1: "Why do you trust the Swiss?! That's where Davos is! Obviously they're just part of the same globalist conspiracy!!!" as an example of the type of argument.
But there are now reports that a very high percentage of people who have survived COVID-19 and are "recovered" now have cardiac problems as a [probable] result of the coronavirus.
Well the numbers from the USA are a complete mess. So what numbers do we use? North Korea? Iran? The PRC?
Tell me.
So no information shared by anyone on Facebook is ever correct. Must have missed that day of my logic course in college.
I had in mind that someone here keeps claiming that others are using their Facebook friends as sources. Trouble is, no one seems to have cited their "mates," and even if they did, so what?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQy1RIPeKvlXAxkSGBUtsLDQXnl5w9NNp7N1w&usqp=CAU)
I had in mind that someone here keeps claiming that others are using their Facebook friends as sources. Trouble is, no one seems to have cited their "mates," and even if they did, so what?
Before he decided Switzerland’s statistics were his source, Mak was saying he judged covid risk based on personal stories sent to him by emergency and health care workers. That’s what I was referring to.
Lots of questioning of the data or pointing out that profit motives may not produce the best health advice - but no real alternative sources of info for judging covid risk seem to be emerging.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eea7XXnXgAIJcRu?format=png&name=small)
So we have no alternative sources of info other than state authorities reporting to the CDC.
The data the states are reporting are all BS though. They don't even hide the fact they are manipulating the data to drive up both deaths and cases in the reporting.
So is your position we must believe the liars in the states and fed gov because there isn't an alternative source of data?
My position is, we should make some estimation of risk and therefore responses to COVID based on data.
If you think all the data is bs, how can you offer any opinion at all about response measures? Unless you have some data that reliably informs you it is all an overestimate...in which case, let’s see it.
They’re not perfect, but I do think global health authorities and the CDC are probably better placed to offer meaningful data and advice on COVID risks than the stories of paramedic or teacher friends relayed firsthand.
I think the data produced by doctors and infectious disease experts is likely to offer a better health response to pandemics.
You're the embodiment of the ALCU on this board. The "Official sources" are the word of the prophet, just so long as they don't clash with the point you're trying to make.
What's next? Racism as a public health crisis? I hear that's in fashion too.
My position is, we should make some estimation of risk and therefore responses to COVID based on data.
If you think all the data is bs, how can you offer any opinion at all about response measures? Unless you have some data that reliably informs you it is all an overestimate...in which case, let’s see it.
They’re not perfect, but I do think global health authorities and the CDC are probably better placed to offer meaningful data and advice on COVID risks than the stories of paramedic or teacher friends relayed firsthand.
I think the data produced by doctors and infectious disease experts is likely to offer a better health response to pandemics.
There is no good information, it's all political power plays and propaganda.
They've been wrong AND they've lied.
Global health authorities?
Global Health Authorities
I think where we go our separate ways is your acceptance of these institutions as being non ideological, benevolent and without an agenda.
How rational is that - all I said is responses to communicable disease should be based on medical and infectious disease expert information, which even if not perfect, is likely to be better than whatever else you’re reading.
Your response to that is to talk about racism and culture wars. That’s telling - COVID isn’t actually about the science for you, is it? It’s also a real disease - not a fashion. There were people (still are) who denied HIV existed or that it caused AIDS too. That’s the sort of tinfoil hattery that causes pandemics to kill and maim more people than otherwise might be the case.
I'm obliquely referencing your continued bullshit with regards to the Zimmerman case.
So the CDC is lying because they’re part of the conspiracy to frame George Zimmerman? Or is there some other theory of relevance Zimmerman has to COVID and the CDC?
I think the data produced by doctors and infectious disease experts is likely to offer a better health response to pandemics.
Before he decided Switzerland’s statistics were his source, Mak was saying he judged covid risk based on personal stories sent to him by emergency and health care workers. That’s what I was referring to.
Lots of questioning of the data or pointing out that profit motives may not produce the best health advice - but no real alternative sources of info for judging covid risk seem to be emerging.
So the entire world’s public health experts are in on the same conspiracy? And even in systems where it is in fact bad for government to inflate numbers and the cost pressures clearly incentivise downplaying, they arrive at the same conspiracy as the CDC?
At some level you’ve got to be able to see that non specific declarations of “they lied” are tinfoil level thinking.
Did they also jointly produce the chemtrail planes???? =D
So the entire world’s public health experts are in on the same conspiracy? And even in systems where it is in fact bad for government to inflate numbers and the cost pressures clearly incentivise downplaying, they arrive at the same conspiracy as the CDC?I don't know who is involved, but there is enough bad data that I don't know what to trust. So I think we should just take precautions and move on with our lives.
At some level you’ve got to be able to see that non specific declarations of “they lied” are tinfoil level thinking.
Did they also jointly produce the chemtrail planes???? =D
I don't know who is involved, but there is enough bad data that I don't know what to trust. So I think we should just take precautions and move on with our lives.
It will be interesting to see how the media treats this issue after the election is over.
Someone needs to conjure up a new crisis. This Covid thing is getting old, boring, and convoluted.
Woody
I don't know who is involved, but there is enough bad data that I don't know what to trust. So I think we should just take precautions and move on with our lives.
It will be interesting to see how the media treats this issue after the election is over.
So, ignore the fact it's all lies, everybody is lying and believes the lies, come join us in believing the lies...
We must ignore the cognitive dissonance we experience when the reality that is observed doesn't match the narrative...
Not believing the "world authorities" means you're crazy and conspiratorial ....
Sorry, I'm not ignoring the lies when they are so blatantly in our faces about telling them.
In the USA at least, as far as I know, every state is reporting dying with Covid-19 as a dying FROM Covid-19.
As mentioned in an above post, even the simple defining line between active infection and those who test positive for antibodies is being conflated.
Remember the old saying? Garbage in Garbage out?
The numbers reported are garbage, so the stats are garbage and the decisions made on the garbage are garbage.
No amount of rhetoric changes reality.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: I've never said that.
My analysis is through tracking the virus effects through several states, countries and even the Diamond Princess (cruise ship).
I doubt the estimation of the CDC based on studies I have read from other countries and from our own, which is why I weight the analysis less from our own government- I have judged they are mistaken.
And, honestly, I chose Switzerland because I searched for "Coronavirus death rate by age" and that was literally the first link that popped up. I don't think Switzerland likely has it completely correct, either, but is likely much closer to the real numbers (which may be higher than what that study published, but still likely comparable to flu numbers for people not at risk due to age and comorbidities.)
Am I to take this that you mean to say the idea of a world health authority conspiracy is really sensible? Like are you ridiculing me for laughing at that idea, or was this meant to be an earnest explanation of how all the disparate medical authorities in the world independently arrived at the same fake COVID scare?
I don't know who is involved, but there is enough bad data that I don't know what to trust. So I think we should just take precautions and move on with our lives.
It will be interesting to see how the media treats this issue after the election is over.
Someone needs to conjure up a new crisis. This Covid thing is getting old, boring, and convoluted.
Woody
How about the entire West Coast seceding from the United States if Trump wins? =D
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/08/03/2020-election-war-game-hypothetical-with-john-podesta-playing-the-part-of-joe-biden-refusing-to-concede-ends-up-with-3-states-threatening-secession/
How about the entire West Coast seceding from the United States if Trump wins? =D
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/08/03/2020-election-war-game-hypothetical-with-john-podesta-playing-the-part-of-joe-biden-refusing-to-concede-ends-up-with-3-states-threatening-secession/
What precautions should we take? And why?
In a multistate telephone survey of symptomatic adults who had a positive outpatient test result for SARS-CoV-2 infection, 35% had not returned to their usual state of health when interviewed 2–3 weeks after testing. Among persons aged 18–34 years with no chronic medical conditions, one in five had not returned to their usual state of health.There are reports of long lasting organ damage, significant blood clotting issues, and who knows what else might show up later on? What if it does something like shingles but worse?
A JAMA Cardiology study found that in one group of COVID-19 patients in Germany aged 45 to 53, more than 75% suffered from heart inflammation, raising the possibility of future heart failure.
A Kidney International study found that over a third of COVID-19 patients in a New York medical system developed acute kidney injury, and nearly 15% required dialysis.
Dr. Marco Rizzi in Bergamo, Italy, an early epicenter of the pandemic, said the Giovanni XXIII Hospital has seen close to 600 COVID-19 patients for follow-up. About 30% have lung issues, 10% have neurological problems, 10% have heart issues and about 9% have lingering motor skill problems. He co-chairs the WHO panel that will recommend long-term follow-up for patients.
Am I to take this that you mean to say the idea of a world health authority conspiracy is really sensible? Like are you ridiculing me for laughing at that idea, or was this meant to be an earnest explanation of how all the disparate medical authorities in the world independently arrived at the same fake COVID scare?
Deaths are an easy thing to focus on (and should be relatively easy to count), but it's not the whole picture either.There are reports of long lasting organ damage, significant blood clotting issues, and who knows what else might show up later on? What if it does something like shingles but worse?How do you know those reports are any more accurate than other stuff? Just more anecdotal stuff spreading around. Until there are some reliable statistics available, it is just fodder for the fear mongers.
So I think I haven't been inside the post office since this COVID thing started, but was there this morning. I would have expected that fed.gov (yes, I know USPS is .com, but still) has mandatory mask regs for at a minimum, their employees. Nobody in my local office was wearing one. Admittedly it's a podunk sized post office, but it was interesting that the employees were likely shunning a mask reg.
How do you know those reports are any more accurate than other stuff? Just more anecdotal stuff spreading around. Until there are some reliable statistics available, it is just fodder for the fear mongers.
On the organ damage, if that is true I wonder how much of that is simply low blood oxygen level or perhaps something in the treatments attempted. Too many factors involved to take it at face value.
At least one telephone call was attempted for 582 patients (including 175 [30%] who were tested in an ED and 407 [70%] in non-ED settings), with 325 (56%) interviews completed (89 [27%] ED and 236 [73%] non-ED). Among 257 nonrespondents, 178 could not be reached, 37 requested a callback but could not be reached on further call attempts, 28 refused the interview, and 14 had a language barrier. Among the 325 completed interviews, 31 were excluded: nine (3%) because a proxy was interviewed, 17 (5%) because a previous positive SARS-CoV-2 test was reported, and five (2%) who did not answer the symptoms questions. Two additional respondents were called prematurely at 7 days and were also excluded.* Among the 292 remaining patient respondents, 274 (94%) reported one or more symptoms at testing and were included in this data analysis. Following outpatient testing, 7% (19 of 262 with available data) reported later being hospitalized, a median of 3.5 days after the test date. The median age of symptomatic respondents was 42.5 years (interquartile range [IQR] = 31–54 years), 142 (52%) were female, 98 (36%) were Hispanic, 96 (35%) were non-Hispanic white, 48 (18%) were non-Hispanic black, and 32 (12%) were other non-Hispanic race. Overall, 141 of 264 (53%) with available data reported one or more chronic medical conditions. The median interval from test to interview date was 16 days (IQR = 14–19 days); the median number of days respondents reported feeling unwell before being tested for SARS-CoV-2 was 3 (IQR = 2–7 days).
Well, if the flu is going around, we would take precautions with personal hygiene and keeping ourselves and our stuff clean. If someone is particularly susceptible to it they might do more. That is reasonable. The social distancing isn't so bad as I like to have my space anyway.
I question the mask stuff to a point since I have seen video and reports of so many people who are pushing this stuff take their masks off as soon as they think they are not on video anymore. So not sure about masks. I wear one since my employer and local businesses ask me to wear one.
There have been so many conflicting reports on the attributes of COVID-19 that I am not sure what to think about it beyond that.
Would you support taking the same measures that have been used to reduce the impact of coronavirus disease on livestock?
What is that, destroy the herd?
What is that, destroy the herd?
What is that, destroy the herd?
Quarantine and hygiene - ie what most countries who have managed to prevent mass infection didTo be fair, this is also what many countries who failed to prevent mass infection did.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/)
Quarantine and hygiene - ie what most countries who have managed to prevent mass infection did
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/)
Quarantine and hygiene - ie what most countries who have managed to prevent mass infection did
Deaths are an easy thing to focus on (and should be relatively easy to count), but it's not the whole picture either.There are reports of long lasting organ damage, significant blood clotting issues, and who knows what else might show up later on? What if it does something like shingles but worse?
So it was just chance that Switzerland was one of the few countries on earth that fit your narrative and just google chance made it first? And that also explains why you hot linked graphics and had to ignore half of the other picture you linked?
Hahaha, sure bro. I guess Pollyanna would buy that hahahshs
I'm going to bookmark this and look at it again in August. Assuming I'm still around.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/forecasting-model-predicts-when-each-state-will-likely-hit-coronavirus-peak-gives-possible-total-deaths
Apparently hair loss is another side effect of covid
Do you have anymore brain tissue?
I've had it for decades!
Conspiracy co-worker got it into his head that "we all have covid inside us, and they just have to activate it."You should get a new cell phone.
You should get a new cell phone.
???There were conspiracy theories about 5G cell signals controlling COVID.
There were conspiracy theories about 5G cell signals controlling COVID.
I got my new 5G phone basically just to piss off the conspiracy people...
I got my new 5G phone basically just to piss off the conspiracy people...
Alyssa Milano tests positive and of course she's running her mouth off it's Trump's fault
Alyssa Milano tests positive and of course she's running her mouth off it's Trump's fault
In all my experience with ambulatory surgical patients, mine and others, the first thing they do as soon as possible is get.your ass out of walk you up and down the halls. That is no longer happening at this hospital and I suspect most or all others. I think that is a very bad thing.
Wow. I'm not a medical expert, but that does sound bad. After I think just three hours of bed rest, probably to make sure I was clear of anesthesia, I recall they came and bugged me like every hour to get up, grab my IV stand, and do a lap around halls. When I was in bed, they used those leg wraps to keep the blood flowing in my legs. They were really big on movement. I wonder if there will be side effects from keeping people laying in bed in their rooms to avoid COVID.
I'm keeping my 1998 vintage Nokia 5190. I haven't gotten so much as a sniffle from it. :old:
Woody
How the hell is that thing still operational? I thought the old analog phones went dead with the conversion to digital...
Sadly, I don't see it being supported for more than another year at best with the current trends in the wireless world.
I guess I'll have to start another cash envelope, label it "Phone", and get prepared.
Woody
Plenty of used phones available, maybe even 3G Nokias.
I guess this belongs in this thread. I just saw that the injuns in South Dakota are setting up roadblocks to stop bikers from going to Sturgis via roads that go through reservations. Apparently there are some big legal issues with this. If it were fed/state land, it seems it would be illegal to stop someone because they were on a motorcycle or because of the way they dressed, but let others through, all because of COVID.
Maybe they're turning everyone around, but the news snippet made it sound like just bikers.
Gov Andrew Cuomo built his COVID mountain
https://twitter.com/ZachReports/status/1277632036002574337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
:facepalm:
I'll check into that. E-Bay maybe? Pawn shops?
Woody
Frozen chicken wings imported from Brazil to China tested positive for COVID-19, officials from the city of Shenzhen said.Chicken wings test positive for coronavirus in China
Chicken Wings. Cue the panic
Chicken wings test positive for coronavirus in China
https://www.wave3.com/2020/08/13/chicken-wings-test-positive-coronavirus-china/
Kentucky Fried Chicken is pulling its famous “It’s Finger Lickin’ Good” slogan from its campaigns. The slogan, which has been around for 64 years, is said to be going away “for a little while.” The exact length of time it will be gone has not been revealed.
“We find ourselves in a unique situation—having an iconic slogan that doesn’t quite fit in the current environment,” Catherine Tan-Gillespie, global chief marketing officer, said in a statement released on KFC’s website. “While we are pausing the use of It’s Finger Lickin’ Good, rest assured the food craved by so many people around the world isn’t changing one bit.”
They really think the COVID hysteria is going away at some point? They should really gin up a different slogan as "Finger Lickin' Good" won't be coming back for years, if ever, especially if Biden wins in November.But if you wash your hands, what is the problem?
Chicken Wings. Cue the panicIs that a problem with the chicken wings or does that just mean their testing sucks?
Chicken wings test positive for coronavirus in China
https://www.wave3.com/2020/08/13/chicken-wings-test-positive-coronavirus-china/
Is that a problem with the chicken wings or does that just mean their testing sucks?
Alright, I've about had it with trying to figure out mask etiquette.
I think I've mentioned before that when I shop in Oregon (where they are more into masks than my part of Idaho) pretty much everyone wears them in the Home Depot and nobody wears them in the Tractor Supply. While I was figuring this all out earlier on, I wore my mask into Tractor Supply a couple of times and was one of only a couple people (including employees) wearing one, and everyone looked at me like I had a hole in my head. So I stopped wearing one there.
Today, after I guess a three week break, I was back at Tractor Supply. I was the only person NOT wearing a mask and was getting looks from everyone.
Also, a couple of days ago I was at the Harbor Freight there, and since my last visit, they had put up a giant sign about "absolutely no entrance without a mask". I went back to my truck and got a mask. When I walked in, everyone had a mask on except the employee greeting people, who turned out to be the manager.
I don't know if between visits, Oregon started some new regs or something, but I am getting sick and tired of trying to chase not only ever-changing regulations, but also public perception of such. There is not only no rhyme or reason in the almost randomly changing regulations but also no rhyme or reason to when people are pro/anti masks.
I try to just go with the flow for whatever private business I enter since it's their property, but please people, make up your minds.
It might be worth wearing a bandana that you can pull up like a western movie bank robber when you need one.
Alright, I've about had it with trying to figure out mask etiquette.
I think I've mentioned before that when I shop in Oregon (where they are more into masks than my part of Idaho) pretty much everyone wears them in the Home Depot and nobody wears them in the Tractor Supply. While I was figuring this all out earlier on, I wore my mask into Tractor Supply a couple of times and was one of only a couple people (including employees) wearing one, and everyone looked at me like I had a hole in my head. So I stopped wearing one there.
Today, after I guess a three week break, I was back at Tractor Supply. I was the only person NOT wearing a mask and was getting looks from everyone.
Also, a couple of days ago I was at the Harbor Freight there, and since my last visit, they had put up a giant sign about "absolutely no entrance without a mask". I went back to my truck and got a mask. When I walked in, everyone had a mask on except the employee greeting people, who turned out to be the manager.
I don't know if between visits, Oregon started some new regs or something, but I am getting sick and tired of trying to chase not only ever-changing regulations, but also public perception of such. There is not only no rhyme or reason in the almost randomly changing regulations but also no rhyme or reason to when people are pro/anti masks.
I try to just go with the flow for whatever private business I enter since it's their property, but please people, make up your minds.
Here's an interesting read on virus testing, and it's from the New York Times. http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/your-coronavirus-test-is-positive-maybe-it-shouldnt-be/ar-BB18uyA7?ocid=ientp
I think I've mentioned before that when I shop in Oregon (where they are more into masks than my part of Idaho) pretty much everyone wears them in the Home Depot and nobody wears them in the Tractor Supply. While I was figuring this all out earlier on, I wore my mask into Tractor Supply a couple of times and was one of only a couple people (including employees) wearing one, and everyone looked at me like I had a hole in my head. So I stopped wearing one there.
My wife tested positive, but everyone who had contact with her has tested negative. The only symptom she had was cough, but she was also working with someone that had bronchitis. My wife has had bronchitis a number of times in the past couple of years, and that's what she thought it was. I think she may have been right.
That article sounds right on to me.
Interesting. I was in Tractor Supply yesterday. There was a large sign taped to the door, advising that everyone -- customers and staff -- must wear masks at all tims within the store. They had a "sanitation station" where customers who didn't have a mask could take one.
This should help clear things up.=D Very Good. Thanks for sharing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwxdwxi_ayA
=D Very Good. Thanks for sharing.
Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.
For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.How does that compare to any other disease? Do people dying of cancer have ONLY cancer listed on their death cert?
Apropos of nothing at all:
In my Army Professional Development class this weekend we were discussing the difference between Data and Knowledge. And how you can have a ton of Data and still not have any useful Knowledge.
See my post above yours, MechAg94.I saw that. I guess I did not say that.
How does that compare to any other disease? Do people dying of cancer have ONLY cancer listed on their death cert?
If you get COVID when perfectly healthy and it gives you pneumonia & liver failure which eventually kill you, those will show up in cause of death too but it's COVID that did it. If you have a mild pre-existing condition (hypertension, obesity, diabetes, etc.) that you've been living with perfectly well and COVID comes along and kills you, those will be listed too. Saying it only kills people with pre-existing conditions is not terribly reassuring when ~1/2 the country has a pre-existing condition.
As I've said before, you can look at the excess deaths and they match up pretty well with what the COVID numbers are. If the COVID deaths are "fake" then there just happened to be something else killing a lot more people right when COVID peaked.
Chuck was a friend and the father of a long time friend of mine.
He was in his 80's
He was a lifetime smoker with COPD.
He took a fall, went into the hospital got pneumonia, fought it off but they eventually sent him home, hospice.
He hung in there for a year, during which time Covid comes on the scene.
He took another tumble at home, goes to hospital, contracts pneumonia again.
He has specific instructions, no ventilator. He died.
They tested him and he comes up positive.
He is coded as a Covid -19 death.
Therefore, COVID isn’t very dangerous?
The statistics game continues. Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted by quarantine.
But someone somewhere has a mate on the internet or knows a guy who was really old and got coded as a COVID death, so scrub the medical sources.
Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted by quarantine.Only for certain values of "effectively halted" and "quarantine".
He is coded as a Covid -19 death.It does sound like it was unfortunately Chuck's time to check-out, COVID or not.
Week-ending Date: April 8, 2017 Number of deaths: 55,267
Week-ending Date: April 7, 2018 Number of deaths: 55,420
Week-ending Date: April 13, 2019 Number of deaths: 55,625
Week-ending Date: April 11, 2020 Number of deaths: 78,758
The overzealous authorities in the country are causing more deaths with these shutdowns.This is quite possible but I haven't seen much research to really support it. I'd love to see some if you have any, but I realize it's a hard thing to demonstrate.
Therefore, COVID isn’t very dangerous?
The statistics game continues. Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted by quarantine.
But someone somewhere has a mate on the internet or knows a guy who was really old and got coded as a COVID death, so scrub the medical sources.
It does sound like it was unfortunately Chuck's time to check-out, COVID or not.
So what if we ignore the coding? Can you still see an unusual spike in deaths?This is quite possible but I haven't seen much research to really support it. I'd love to see some if you have any, but I realize it's a hard thing to demonstrate.
How many more deaths do we have this year compared to previous years?https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
I haven't even disputed anything to do with the total deaths number.You have made the point (over and over and over again) that death cert coding data is inaccurate.
Following daily numbers and statistics is mostly fallacious. Just as you can't say it rains 1/4 inch every day because it rains a total of 91 inches in a year, you can't logically say a spike in numbers one day or week is a trend and vice versa. It is nothing more than random happenstance.
Woody
Trying to find just the hard numbers of 2020 deaths to compare them with hard numbers of 2019 deaths is an act in futility.
I don't really care about that but want to see hard numbers month to month and up to this point, all causes without a breakdown.
I'll admit my googlefoo isn't that strong but all searches are swamped with covid numbers and "excess death" numbers.You're accidentally ignoring the very data you're looking for because the title seems misleading. Below is a link to raw death data (all causes) broken down by week and state from 2017-2020.
Excess deaths appear to be deaths that weren't predicted by statisticians.
I don't really care about that but want to see hard numbers month to month and up to this point, all causes without a breakdown.
Following daily numbers and statistics is mostly fallacious. Just as you can't say it rains 1/4 inch every day because it rains a total of 91 inches in a year, you can't logically say a spike in numbers one day or week is a trend and vice versa. It is nothing more than random happenstance.Look, I don't have a PhD in stats but I've used them professionally for many years. Daily stats can be very useful in evaluating trends (for instance, it has been very interesting to follow the very low and steady daily death rate after the initial death spike hits an area despite massive increases in positive tests). That said, I'm not sure you're really following the conversation here. Who do you think is using daily stats to prove what?
Therefore, COVID isn’t very dangerous?
The statistics game continues. Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted byquarantinehydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin applied in the early stages.
But someone somewhere has a mate on the internet or knows a guy who was really old and got coded as a COVID death, so scrub the medical sources.
FTFY.
Quarantine just delays the inevitable.
Therefore, COVID isn’t very dangerous?
The statistics game continues. Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted by quarantine.
But someone somewhere has a mate on the internet or knows a guy who was really old and got coded as a COVID death, so scrub the medical sources.
Yes it is very dangerous. That is why everyone on the Disney Princess died. That is why everyone on the Theodore Roosevelt died. That's why millions of Japans largely elderly population died...
I don't know that Trump personally has involvement with this, as the headline alludes, but I think it is bad for his administration. You might get renter votes, but since this has zero mention of mortgage relief, you're gonna get a lot of small landlords sitting at home on voting day.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/09/02/trump-administration-moves-to-halt-evictions-with-new-cdc-edict/
The timeline raised concern among public health experts about an “October surprise” — a vaccine approval driven by political considerations ahead of a presidential election, rather than science.
Well I am a landlord, as I think I've mentioned before.
I don't know that Trump personally has involvement with this, as the headline alludesI don't think he gets to claim ignorance on this.
I want to make it unmistakably clear that I’m protecting people from evictions.
-President Donald J. Trump
The #COVID19 pandemic is demonstrating what we all know: millennia of patriarchy have resulted in a male-dominated world with a male-dominated culture which damages everyone – women, men, girls & boys.https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/07/can-we-defund-them-now-u-n-says-the-covid19-pandemic-demonstrates-that-the-patriarchy-damages-everyone/
— @antonioguterres https://t.co/ppSUGLr2Wx pic.twitter.com/krT6HkQil6
— United Nations (@UN) September 6, 2020
Trump is objectively pro-Covid.
— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) September 8, 2020
Places like New Zealand and Australia for example have far, far lower rates of infection than the US and on any projection that will continue to be true.Go Australian lockdown enforcement!
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: "Donald Trump caused the COVID outbreak in New York. Donald Trump caused the COVID outbreak in New York." pic.twitter.com/KVoz89xYQWhttps://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/08/can-we-get-a-fact-check-andrew-cuomo-says-its-a-fact-that-donald-trump-caused-the-covid-outbreak-in-new-york-video/
— The Hill (@thehill) September 8, 2020
Go Australian lockdown enforcement!
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/pregnant-mom-arrested-for-facebook-post-planning-lockdown-protest/
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-8-september-2020.pdf (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-8-september-2020.pdf)
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases (https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases)
And a comparison: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)
COUNTRY CONFIRMED DEATHS CASE/ DEATHS/100k
FATALITY
US 6,300,622 189,208 3.0% 57.83
Australia 26,373 770 2.9% 3.08
Yes, totalitarianism can be effective!
And tell me what is the population density of the Great Down-Under compared to America?
One thing I note, within America; New York City is very densely populated, and was very hard hit byThe Andromeda StrainI mean covid19 (*sigh* did it again ... my error) while Midwest states suffered much less.
You don't think population density could be a big factor?
Preventing the spread of plagues with basic public health measures isn’t totalitarianism anymore than mandating food safety storage and practices.The question is not whether a government should address the spread of disease. The question is whether there are any human rights which trump the government’s convenience.
The deaths per 100k head of population is in the last column. So that’s just over 57 per hundred thousand in the USA, and just over 3 per hundred thousand in Australia
The deaths per 100k head of population is in the last column. So that’s just over 57 per hundred thousand in the USA, and just over 3 per hundred thousand in Australia
The deaths per 100k head of population is in the last column. So that’s just over 57 per hundred thousand in the USA, and just over 3 per hundred thousand in Australia
The liars continually call positive testing for anti-bodies "cases".
They are liars.
Cases IIRC, are technically active infections in people demonstrating symptoms.
Another CASE of BS numbers.
What is the motive for all the lies? ??? (they are lies, I'm not questioning that, just wondering why)
What is the motive for all the lies? ??? (they are lies, I'm not questioning that, just wondering why)
NYC restaurants can add 10% ‘COVID-19 Recovery Charge’ to customers’ bills
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/nyc-restaurants-covid-recovery-charge-bill-passed
https://fox17.com/news/local/covid-19-emails-from-nashville-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation
Quote from: WLJNYC restaurants can add 10% ‘COVID-19 Recovery Charge’ to customers’ billsThat's an interesting way for government to slide in a tax increase to pay for government bumbling.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/nyc-restaurants-covid-recovery-charge-bill-passed
That's an interesting way for government to slide in a tax increase to pay for government bumbling.
I don't see it as a tax increase -- the money doesn't go to the city, and it's an optional "surcharge." My question is, if a restaurant has fixed costs (such as rent, utilities, payroll, etc.) and aren't allowed to fill as many seats, simple economics would suggest that they have to charge more for the meals they serve if they want to at least break even. Why do they need to government to tell them they can charge more? Does NYC have food price controls, like they have rent controls?
New research suggests that English speakers put more droplets into the air when they talk, which may make them more likely to spread COVID-19.https://t.co/VQokTMKNhT pic.twitter.com/TVeoCN0OkLhttps://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/18/try-not-to-get-burned-when-handling-this-hot-take-about-why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/
— Forbes Science (@ForbesScience) September 9, 2020
Stop speaking English! It's for the children!
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/18/try-not-to-get-burned-when-handling-this-hot-take-about-why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/
Why Speaking English May Spread More Coronavirus Than Other Languages
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonescalante/2020/09/08/why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_content=3664556426&utm_campaign=sprinklrForbesScience#3011d3c36eea
Stop speaking English! It's for the children!
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/18/try-not-to-get-burned-when-handling-this-hot-take-about-why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/
Why Speaking English May Spread More Coronavirus Than Other Languages
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonescalante/2020/09/08/why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_content=3664556426&utm_campaign=sprinklrForbesScience#3011d3c36eea
HEY! Maybe if we all switch to one of the softer spoken languages, we wouldn't have to wear masks!!! :facepalm:
I guess they've never seen a mad Italian.
Or German
Welp! Just tell us which words are bad so we won't use them! :old:
I'm hearing anecdotal evidence that fast food joints are actually making more money right now. Anyone else hearing this?
I guess it makes sense, as people aren't patronizing dine-in-only restaurants.
I can see that. I would patronize sit-down restaurants, but it's too much of a pain in the ass for me. Usually I will do a sit-down at lunch if I have to run into Boise for other stuff. Get my stuff done, then head downtown for lunch and a beer. I made it a habit to try and rotate through and visit different places, but now you have to make freakin' reservations - even at lunch - instead of walking in.
I was even gonna do that last time I was in Boise, but pulling Yelp out before I left didn't show an available reservation until the next day. For lunch (maybe because of social distancing space). So I said "screw this" and just stopped at my local diner on my way home.
I also had new tires put on at Costco last week and was gonna just go to lunch while I waited for the tires. Once again pulled out Yelp, and only one (Dickey's BBQ) of a dozen locations in walking distance was open for dine-in. Everything else that is usually dine-in was take-out only. Dickey's was empty except for me and one family.
With all that, fast food is the easiest option for me, other than eating at my three local places, which are all business as usual.
I don’t trust yelp, usually that info is out of date. I call the establishment if it shows no available reservations or need reservations.
I can see that. I would patronize sit-down restaurants, but it's too much of a pain in the ass for me. Usually I will do a sit-down at lunch if I have to run into Boise for other stuff. Get my stuff done, then head downtown for lunch and a beer. I made it a habit to try and rotate through and visit different places, but now you have to make freakin' reservations - even at lunch - instead of walking in.
I was even gonna do that last time I was in Boise, but pulling Yelp out before I left didn't show an available reservation until the next day. For lunch (maybe because of social distancing space). So I said "screw this" and just stopped at my local diner on my way home.
I also had new tires put on at Costco last week and was gonna just go to lunch while I waited for the tires. Once again pulled out Yelp, and only one (Dickey's BBQ) of a dozen locations in walking distance was open for dine-in. Everything else that is usually dine-in was take-out only. Dickey's was empty except for me and one family.
With all that, fast food is the easiest option for me, other than eating at my three local places, which are all business as usual.
I'm hearing anecdotal evidence that fast food joints are actually making more money right now. Anyone else hearing this?.
I guess it makes sense, as people aren't patronizing dine-in-only restaurants.
There's a reason for that. I've quit eating at Dickey's when I visit family in Oregon.
Since this mess started back in March I've gotten carry out from my favorite Chinese place near my house twice and Domino's once (ugh).
I normally only hit face food places when I'm heading down to, or coming back from, Castle Key's place. There's a town about half way that's a good stopping point to pee and get something quick to eat. Normally BK because it's right next to the Sheetz for gas, and the McD's, last time I tried to stop there, was drive through only.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/25/is-the-wuhan-coronavirus-really-a-chinese-bioweapon/
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/25/is-the-wuhan-coronavirus-really-a-chinese-bioweapon/
After nearly one year, questions remain unanswered about whether the Chinese coronavirus was natural or man-made and whether its release into the world was accidental or malicious.
BK is FAR faster when I have a dog waiting for me in the car.
Your dog wants Sheetz MTO quesadilla...
Not the first version of that I've heard...
One was "government plot to give us a vaccine that contains trackers and microchips that they can use to control our minds.
That was the plot of a murder mystery/thriller I read years ago.
A BADLY written and plotted one.
Not the first version of that I've heard...
One was "government plot to give us a vaccine that contains trackers and microchips that they can use to control our minds.
That was the plot of a murder mystery/thriller I read years ago.
A BADLY written and plotted one.
Just think about when they put the chip in where they have to shove the batteries? :O
Ironic that the mask use is so religious among dumbasses
Or "political theater".
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/10/01/doh-tom-wolf-and-rep-wendy-ullman-caught-on-hot-mic-saying-the-quiet-part-about-wearing-masks-out-loud-watch/
I'm still complaining that I can't keep up with where to wear a mask and where not to. My default is not wearing one, but to alleviate problems, I just wear one in places where everyone does, or avoid the establishment. In the last couple of months, I've gone into the same stores where everyone was wearing a mask, then next time almost no one was, then next time almost everyone was again.
Then if I go into a place wearing a mask where it's like 50/50 mask /no mask, I get self-conscious about removing mine after I enter the store and end up keeping it on. Then last week, I pulled into a place and saw a couple of people coming out maskless, so left mine in the car, then ended up being the only one in there without a mask on. :laugh:
I don't understand why being the only one without a mask would bother you. I mean, I feel self-conscious about it at times, but not enough to put one on.
White House adviser Hope Hicks has tested positive for COVID-19 after traveling with President Trump to a rally in Duluth, Minn.
Hicks, who serves as counselor to the president, traveled with him aboard Air Force One to Tuesday night’s debate and to his rally in Minnesota the following day.
She tested positive Thursday, according to an administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private health information.
Trump, first lady begin the 'quarantine process' after Hope Hicks tests positive for coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-trump-awaiting-results-of-covid-test-after-top-aide-is-infected-he-tells-sean-hannity
I was just talking to a guy that quarantined for 8 weeks, after he and every other member of the household tested positive, one after another. There's a lot of people in the White House. Trump may have to stay there for 224-1/2 weeks.Nice. :laugh:
https://planetcalc.com/7741/
When do they get to the Elmer poster? I've been watching for 45 minutes, waiting for the punchline. ;)
Montreal kind of sucks.
Montreal does suck, but mainly because the people are such aholes.
In a primary school in Yhang, China, 130 students were exposed to UV-C disinfection lamp for five hours and many suffered burns to their eyes and skin.
The cause of the mishap was human error: the onsite electrician mistakenly turned on the lamps in three classrooms following a power failure.
In the Philippines last week, a UV-C robot named Keno mingled with members of the media while energised, resulting in a number of journalists requiring medical treatment.
Well, that's horrifying...
https://www.luxreview.com/2020/10/01/uv-c-accidents-highlight-need-for-caution/QuoteIn a primary school in Yhang, China, 130 students were exposed to UV-C disinfection lamp for five hours and many suffered burns to their eyes and skin.
The cause of the mishap was human error: the onsite electrician mistakenly turned on the lamps in three classrooms following a power failure.
In the Philippines last week, a UV-C robot named Keno mingled with members of the media while energised, resulting in a number of journalists requiring medical treatment.
Well, the first part is.
In the second, the robot should have been equipped with a phased plasma rife in the 40 watt range.
Well, they are French* so....
*French in attitude if not nationality
Don't mind her. She's French-Canadian. Some days she's Canadian. Can be quite pleasant. Today she's obviously French.
First US case of re-infection with COVID confirmed. Well, that's not good.
It is the first confirmed case of so-called reinfection with the virus in the U.S. and the fifth confirmed reinfection case worldwide.
People who recovered from COVID-19 may have lasting protection against reinfection, the new study showshttps://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/10/covid-survivors-may-have-four-months-of-protection/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=hu-twitter-general&utm_medium=social
More likely, they know the risk of reinfection is barely even measurable but need to keep the FEAR ramped up pre-election.
The fear and neuroticism is contagious. How do you stay balanced living in a literal dystopia?
How do you stay balanced living in a literal dystopia?
It takes a strong centered individual. Personally, I have focused on finance, buying tulip futures and South Sea Trading stocks.
:laugh: I know enough history to get the reference, and pretend I understand it, though I really don't.
"How do you stay balanced living in a literal dystopia?"Feet shoulder length apart, weight slightly forward, maintain a firm grip with both hands, nice smooth trigger pull with just the finger.
Being an introvert really helps.
"How do you stay balanced living in a literal dystopia?"
Being an introvert really helps.
Never mind that we are going camping in the mountains, which we prefer anyways.
Now that's social distancing.
Well...
(https://groovyhistory.com/content/74920/9a3edd517f3bd17ea75374ba52a8de3a.jpg)
Well, we were in North Cackalacky, but I heard no banjos.
Well, we were in North Cackalacky, but I heard no banjos.
No pretty mouths?
There's no way in hell Ned Beaty read that script before taking the job. That or he really needed the money.
Despite strict lockdown policies paraded as a model for other nations by political and social elites, Europe’s COVID-19 numbers are steadily increasing. Over the last seven days, the WHO reported that Europe has 709,968 new coronavirus cases, adding to the 7,039,257 people who are infected in total.
A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.
“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public,” the report stated.
In addition, over 14 percent of the case-patients said they “often” wore a face covering and were still infected with the virus. The study also demonstrates that under 4 percent of the case-patients became sick with the virus even though they “never” wore a mask or face covering.
I liked the CDC response. We never said a mask would keep you from getting covid
Which it won't, if you don't wash your hands and also keep touching your face. Like to adjust your mask every two minutes, which I'm constantly seeing people do everywhere that people are required to wear masks.
CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore MasksQuoteA study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.
“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public,” the report stated.
In addition, over 14 percent of the case-patients said they “often” wore a face covering and were still infected with the virus. The study also demonstrates that under 4 percent of the case-patients became sick with the virus even though they “never” wore a mask or face covering.
I have a doctor's appointment next week. They're doing the wear a mask at all times thing. Looks like they're also doing temperature screenings when you walk in the door.
Which it won't, if you don't wash your hands and also keep touching your face. Like to adjust your mask every two minutes, which I'm constantly seeing people do everywhere that people are required to wear masks.
There also seems to be some health professional pushback on the effectiveness of lockdowns:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/over-30000-health-experts-sign-declaration-against-covid-19-lockdowns_3537277.html
I had a physical in June, and IIRC, they took my temp before I walked in, and masks were required. I was in for a follow-up blood test in SEP, and it was masks only.
This only proves that people aren't paying attention. The typical masks available to the general public are not intended to protect the wearer from exposure to the virus, they are meant to protect other people in the event the wearer has the virus.
I hate going to the supermarket or to the super Walmart because of the people who either don't wear a mask, or who pull it down to their chin as soon as they get into the store. Especially with the numbers rising again in my state (somewhat exponentially, but not parabolicly), I'm concerned about my exposure.
Looks like Europe is getting hit hard again.
France is even imposed curfews
https://www.wave3.com/2020/10/16/virologist-milan-surge-spreading-at-risk-populations/
I'm not sure we could have a national lockdown at this stage, that might just trigger the boogaloo.
In the meantime, a cousin in Germany just sent me an email with a youtube link from one of the political commentators there he likes to listen to, stating that the US will go on mandatory lockdown starting this weekend with full national guard mobilization.
He was worried and asked me what I knew about it. Of course I knew nothing because I've never heard of it. I did some gazoogling and it apparently started as a fake Homeland Security memo related to the Stafford Act and disseminated on the stupid social media. I guess it's kinda like that game where you put 20 people in a line, whisper something in the first person's ear, and by the time it gets to the last person, it's a whole different thing.
I would link the video, but the Youtube English translation captioning is atrocious. Anyway, interesting example of how information can change from one part of the world to another.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claims-of-nationwide-lockdown-for-covid-19/
Linked article is from March. How is it relevant now? I'm not saying the country is going on lockdown, enforced by the military, but I don't understand the relevance of a seven month old article ...... ???
The fake memo has been around that long. It keeps popping up with different revisions and dates. It's always 48-72 hours away. This last one happened to get disseminated in Germany.
KALAMAZOO, Mich. (WWMT) — 'Don't just eat Bacon— inhale it,' that was the message from Hormel Foods when the company, known for its Black Label Bacon, announced the launch of "Breathable Bacon."
Breathable Bacon is a face mask featuring the latest in pork-scented technology, with two-ply multi-fiber cloth to keep the delicious smell of bacon always wrapped around your nose and mouth.
https://idahonews.com/news/offbeat/hormel-giving-away-bacon-scented-face-masks
Not a good idea, IMO. Wearing the thing will just make me hungry.
Yes, Kathony, that's pretty much how freedom works. Was that supposed to be funny?
It is all fun and games and Rugged Individualism until someone is puking their guts out.
You don't think we could find a way of certifying restaurants for cleanliness and proper food prep w/o the heavy hand of gooberment?
You don't think we could find a way of certifying restaurants for cleanliness and proper food prep w/o the heavy hand of gooberment?
I don't think we can rely upon the self-interests of business, nor the post-event sanction of litigation to adequately safeguard the interests of society as a whole in some areas. This, along with food and drug safety, is one of the best functions of government regulation in my view. I like to re-read the Jungle every now and again to remind myself of that.
I don't think we can rely upon the self-interests of business, nor the post-event sanction of litigation to adequately safeguard the interests of society as a whole in some areas. This, along with food and drug safety, is one of the best functions of government regulation in my view. I like to re-read the Jungle every now and again to remind myself of that.We can rely upon the self-interests of government?
Families who have a backyard can gather there; families who live in condos or apartments will have to look elsewhere. “We have been blessed with enough space to have it outside if that was what we wanted,” Helm said. “It probably isn’t realistic for the average resident of California.”
Even outside, the regulations also mandate at least six feet of distance between members of different households at all times, including when family members are sitting. So good luck passing the Thanksgiving turkey down the table, much less having a conversation with the people seated around you.
Speaking of Thanksgiving turkey, Newsom’s regulations require that “as much as possible, any food or beverages at outdoor gatherings must be in single-serve disposable containers.” And no serving your own plate — if food can’t be served in single portions, then someone wearing a face covering must be there to dole out servings.
Attendees should also put their face masks back on as soon as they finish eating. And make sure to keep your gathering short, even if it’s been months since you’ve seen your extended family. “Gatherings should be two hours or less,” Newsom’s rules stipulate.
These rules are so goofy, I expect most Californians will figure out that it makes more sense to keep their gatherings indoors, with the blinds shut.
You don't think we could find a way of certifying restaurants for cleanliness and proper food prep w/o the heavy hand of gooberment?
This is the third recent local article I've read about hoarding potentially starting again, which will likely lead to "self-fulfilling news". :laugh:More than likely the people who wanted 20 cases have acquired that since last spring. I bet the people who just kept a few rolls in the house already changed their habits. I imagine it is like the shooters who would go buy ammo before going to the range. They realized they need to stock up a little.
The good news, if the articles are to be believed, is that this round would be bit more controlled, with people buying just a case of something instead of 20 cases, and that stores may have moved from the just in time model a bit on things that were snatched up last time, keeping extra stock of those items.
https://1043wowcountry.com/another-round-of-grocery-hoarding-could-hit-boise/
More than likely the people who wanted 20 cases have acquired that since last spring. I bet the people who just kept a few rolls in the house already changed their habits. I imagine it is like the shooters who would go buy ammo before going to the range. They realized they need to stock up a little.
I would have thought the chance for post-election violence would motivate people more.
Sadly, infivefour years that smart supply stocking will be forgotten by most, and something else will then set off a new round of panic.
Looks like NY and CA are going the anti-vaxxer route. Hopefully fed.gov won't send them tons of vaccine that will just sit unused for who knows how long. If those states want to do their own thing, fine, but don't send the vaccines in any quantity until they will actually distribute them. Plenty of other states could use the vaccine doses.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-california-coronavirus-vaccine-independent-review
Looks like NY and CA are going the anti-vaxxer route. Hopefully fed.gov won't send them tons of vaccine that will just sit unused for who knows how long. If those states want to do their own thing, fine, but don't send the vaccines in any quantity until they will actually distribute them. Plenty of other states could use the vaccine doses.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-california-coronavirus-vaccine-independent-review
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/with-1-in-4-patients-sick-with-covid-19-an-idaho-hospital-tries-to-weather-the-storm/
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/northern-idaho-may-send-new-virus-cases-to-seattle-portland/
Don't get sick in Idaho, Ben. The hospitals are filling up and soon they may start shipping patients out.
Made a Sam's run this evening and noticed the paper goods aisle was cleaned out. Nothing. Not even so much as a napkin. New rush on TP and paper towels?
Brad
The talking heads are saying we're a week out from a huge spike in Kung Flu cases, so get ready for another run on everything.
That's just the right-wing corporate media (CNN, ABC, ETC.) trying to depress voter turnout.
We are seeing a spike here north of Seattle; the current rates per 100,000 is increasing. We are going to Costco today after my last meeting and stock up on a few staples and paper products.
https://www.snohd.org/546/Local-Case-Counts
We might be having an increase in cases, but that's not translating into deaths:
Regarding hospitalizations I'm having a hard time finding any breakdowns of whether the hospitalizations are for covid-19 or whether they are hospitalizations/infections of folks in for other causes who test positive for covid-19.
The data is noisy, incomplete andpotentiallypoliticized.
My suggestion is to take a good look around you and give what you observe as high or higher weighting than official sources.
I'm not saying believe the Trump administration or the leftists in control of the institutions, I'm saying observe and exercise situational awareness of what is actually occurring.
We already know the official numbers are juiced. I'm not even a mathematician or statistician and it's obvious.
Industrial TP...
That's a chilling thought...
It's fall, plenty of free TP for the taking if you're desperate
Just saying
I believe that's what we in the military call John Wayne TP; It's rough, it's tough, and it doesn't take *expletive deleted*it off of anyone.
So within the same store (enclosed space) don't put your grubby, virus-infected hands on a book, but feel free to spread your virus on the essential items.From a consumer perspective it makes absolutely no sense and seems spiteful, but from a business owner's perspective I can see some reasoning behind it.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/27/herd-immunity-coronavirus-antibodies-fall-after-infection-study-says.html
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/research-and-impact/groups/react-study/real-time-assessment-of-community-transmission-findings/
It will be much more difficult to achieve herd immunity if the antibodies to COVID decrease over time.
This is why we need the vaccine.
So- will we need the vaccine yearly or once should be enough?
Local grocery store had buy 2 pork loins and get 3 free. I picked up some for the freezer.
I really need to buy a bunch of frozen veggies, pasta and rice.
get 3 free?? :O Or get the third free?
Whole boneless pork loins were $1.49 a pound here a month ago. I should have bought at least one at that price, but my freezer is pretty full already. I did buy two enormous pork butts for 97¢/lb. I sliced a few steaks from them, and ground the rest up and made meatballs with most of it.
I've been digging thru the freezer since about Labor day and pulling out several-year-old steaks and roasts and cooking them. I really need to learn to rotate my stockpiles.
Nope buy 2 at regular price (9.99) and get 3 more for free. It was the 2.5# pre-flavored ones. Sale ended yesterday, fyi.
(https://static.frequent-ads.com/image/item/hyvee/47748/img002.jpg)
Thanks. I figured it was Hy-Vee :) A good deal, but not as good as others I've passed up recently because I didn't have room to store them. (like the previously mentioned whole boneless loins for $1.49lb, or 20 pounds of chicken hindquarters for $5, also at Hy-Vee)
If the economy follows the market, as it often does, I'm guessing we will see at least 7.5% unemployment come election time. If that happens, Trump will be a one term president.Last number I saw was 7.9 percent, is that the most recent?
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/health-science-environment/2020-10-26/as-st-louis-hospitals-reach-capacity-doctors-plead-for-public-to-wear-masks?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR1TWhnNZzLLWiV2CKO6t3Tf0-9o4tPKjm1Jyf5Gsdo_ngQvfEKYyrhQ5Vs
Patient census is outstripping healthcare staffing in St. Louis.
This is such an interesting thread to go back and read through, especially some of the predictions. One from March:Last number I saw was 7.9 percent, is that the most recent?
On the other hand, Q3 GDP comes out tomorrow and will be a crazy-big number (https://fortune.com/2020/10/26/trump-us-economy-third-quarter-gdp-q3-2020-election/).
^^^Down 832 points so far just on today's (10/28/2020) session.
I think the markets are trying to price in a Biden win ahead of the election.
This seems as good a time as any to remind everyone in the world that correlation is not causation, and the spread of a virus through disparate countries with wildly varying responses, cultures, populations, and population densities has a LOT of variables.
^^^I learned something today. I had not previously heard of Tobler's law.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/29/these-12-graphs-show-mask-mandates-do-nothing-to-stop-covid/
(https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/European-comparison-768x432.jpeg)
One thing to keep in mind is the difference between saying that "masks don't work," versus saying "mask mandates don't work."
This seems as good a time as any to remind everyone in the world that correlation is not causation, and the spread of a virus through disparate countries with wildly varying responses, cultures, populations, and population densities has a LOT of variables.
One Stat I heard is 92% of people ARE using masks and 72% of people with covid19 disease have used masks .... [popcorn]
The problem is that the standard masks most people are wearing are more to protect other people from the wearer than to protect the wearer from the other people.
Which is why it pisses me off royally when I venture forth the the Super Walmart for the things I can't find at the nearby supermarket, and have to dodge customers who pull their masks down to their chin or Adam's apple as soon as they get inside the store.
One Stat I heard is 92% of people ARE using masks and 72% of people with covid19 disease have used masks .... [popcorn]Soooo .... 92% of the population makes up 72% of the infections, and 8% of the population makes up 28% of the infections?
I believe the point of all the graphs in the article is to look at one variable (whether masks are required), and how it affects (or not) the increase in cases (or deaths). Do you not think they would reasonably cause one to doubt whether mask mandates are effective?*
*And as I believe you've brought it up before, that doesn't mean anyone's questioning the efficacy of masks in a surgical setting.
On the other hand, it also indicates that mask wearing is insufficient to prevent infection and that at best it delays the inevitable.
On the plus side we are showing signs of having a historically low flu season this fall.
Soooo .... 92% of the population makes up 72% of the infections, and 8% of the population makes up 28% of the infections?
On the one hand, that indicates that mask wearing is significantly associated with a reduction in the likelihood of getting the disease in the short term.
On the other hand, it also indicates that mask wearing is insufficient to prevent infection and that at best it delays the inevitable.
On the gripping hand, that kind of association is considerably weaker than the connection between race and violent crime rates, which isn't strong enough to even bring up in public discussion about crime policy.
No I do not think that is a reasonable doubt, at least not without a lot more information and real data then that graph or article presents.
Trying to draw causation on country wide (each of those lines is a country after all) infection numbers across an entire continent based on one variable is a perfect example of Twain's Maxim. (There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics). That graph does not, in and of itself, provide any insight at all to the effectiveness of mask mandates because it does not control for other variables. Basic science there.
The take-away isn't that mask mandates will increase or decrease Covid rates. It's that, over a sample of various countries, mask mandates aren't linked to a decrease in the rates, or even to keeping the rates stable.This can also be seen in the US.
On the other hand, if some other variable(s) are causing rates to increase or stay the same after the mask mandates, what are they?Cultural norms? I.e., cultures for whom greetings are more physical might, cultures where households tend to have more members, or multiple generations live together, cultures which emphasize eating or meeting as large groups?
This can also be seen in the US.
Cultural norms? I.e., cultures for whom greetings are more physical might, cultures where households tend to have more members, or multiple generations live together, cultures which emphasize eating or meeting as large groups?
Weather?
Willingness to abide by government mandates?
Population density?
Availability and use of mass transit?
I mean, a lot of things could cause a policy to be more or less successful.
The problem is that the standard masks most people are wearing are more to protect other people from the wearer than to protect the wearer from the other people.
Which is why it pisses me off royally when I venture forth to the Super Walmart for the things I can't find at the nearby supermarket, and have to dodge customers who pull their masks down to their chin or Adam's apple as soon as they get inside the store.
In 2015, for instance, the respected British Medical Journal Open published a paper that compared infection rates of those who wore cloth masks with properly worn “official” medical masks. It found that “the rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm.” The paper concluded that “the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.”
On the plus side we are showing signs of having a historically low flu season this fall.
Moar:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/02/only-science-deniers-believe-in-a-national-mask-mandate/
France is requiring people leaving their house to have a written note explaining their reason--- how in heck does that work? Can you write yourself a note? Does it have to be your mate? Your high school teacher (when you graduated in 1974?).
When all of this started kicking off there was a lot of fear that the US was going to go into mandatory lockdown so employers who had people working on vital programs started issuing transit letters (along with the Fed Gov customer) to be provided to police if we were stopped on our way to work..
Basically "This individual provides services that are critical to the security of the United States and should be allowed free transit to/from work location."
We're still required to keep them handy just in case we do enter a lock down.
I mentioned before that I'm not doing more than normal, which is just loaded guns lying around everywhere, because why would antifa come all the way out here and aggravate like 50 people in the five square mile area and not get any news coverage (plus end up being buried in backhoe graves)?
However yesterday, and early this morning while Steve and I were on patrol, I have heard semi-auto rifles and pistols going off all around me (I usually just hear hunting rifles getting sighted in on weekends), so it appears my neighbors have different thoughts than me and are practicing. :laugh:
It's like they have a bizarre idea the virus will go away and die off if people wear masks.
This is not going away, it will continue to circulate until we get enough people resistant to give herd immunity.
Almost no one under 50 dies from it, even less under 25.
Protect the elderly, quarantine their caregivers along with them, pay them extra.
Then let this damn thing run through the rest of us as fast as possible
All slowing the spread does is prolong the pain.
Unless of course one has a purely political reason for it.
I just learned from a friend in Europe that COVID-19 has infected the mink population in Denmark, mutated to a new form that may not respond to the same anibodies being studied for a vaccine, and has already begun infecting people. This is NOT good news.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/05/covid-19-strain-in-denmark-mink-could-cause-new-pandemic-scientist/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-05/covid-mutation-in-danish-mink-triggers-new-restrictions
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/11/04/Denmark-to-cull-millions-of-mink-amid-COVID-19-fears/9571604544197/
I just learned from a friend in Europe that COVID-19 has infected the mink population in Denmark
^^^I cannot remember the last time I saw someone wearing furs in Seattle.
Come to America. There's a Furs, Fireworks, and demilled ordnance store up the road from me. :)
Distribution of the vaccine seems like it will require some logistics. I saw on the teevee it needs to be stored at sub zero temperatures. I'm hearing vastly different numbers, but they are all below zero. I heard up to -100C, which would require specialized freezers.
Distribution of the vaccine seems like it will require some logistics. I saw on the teevee it needs to be stored at sub zero temperatures. I'm hearing vastly different numbers, but they are all below zero. I heard up to -100C, which would require specialized freezers.
^^^I cannot remember the last time I saw someone wearing furs in Seattle.
If that’s the case it’ll be prioritized to health care workers and the ultra rich first and powerful politicians of course.
Well, at least we'll have a fairly long window of opportunity to see what if any hideous side effects emerge from the new vaccine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NVs68X_S4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NVs68X_S4)
^^^I wonder if there will be a national mask mandate.
Can that be enforced? Even if it shouldn’t be enforceable I know most people won’t risk the cost of running it to SCOTUS.
I know here in WA they’re going after stores and whatnot that allow customers without masks inside with fines. Not sure that’s really legal, maybe, but either way the WA Supreme Court won’t go against Inslee over anything, let alone a mask mandate.
Biden has already announced he will pursue a national mask mandate. It sounds like he'll be ordering governors to do it, and if they refuse, he said he's going to county and city level officials to get them to require masks in their jurisdictions.
Which, if my own state is an average sample of something like that, it will be a mess. Our governor will not put out a statewide mask requirement, so various counties and cities are doing so while others (most) are not. It makes things incredibly confusing. You never know when or where someone will get upset with you over a mask. Most all stores here have "mask mandatory" signs, but depending on either the store or where it is, either everyone, some people, or nobody is wearing a mask.
I wonder if there will be a national mask mandate.
Three months ago the local teachers were all over Facebook and the news with “going back to in school learning will be the death of us all”
Now a week after the election the school districts have declared that “students are safer at school than at home from COVID”. I’m sure safer from being indoctrinated with the truth instead of Approved Government Nonsense is no small factor...
Papers please.
I am a jelly donut!
You can be anything you want nowadays. Probably will even be separate restrooms for jelly donuts soon.What, are you implying jelly donuts should be ashamed of their bodies?
What, are you implying jelly donuts should be ashamed of their bodies?
I am a jelly donut!
Papers please.
No more 'medical mask exemptions' at Costco: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/shopping/2020/11/12/costco-face-masks-policy-shields-medical-conditions-change-coronavirus/6263114002/
I've seen a few people wearing these incredibly ridiculous shields. I find it ludicrous anyone would believe they would have any effect on stoppingTHE ANDROMEDA STRAIN-----ooooops, I mean covid19 at all.
Starting next Monday, my local healthcare system is mandating all employees to wear a mask and face shield in all patient care and public areas of the facility.
You realize a lot of people don't care if they work, right? They just don't want to be hassled.
A guy I know has a plastic face shield that clips onto the bridge of the nose with a strip of adhesive.
Elon Musk takes four virus tests on the same day:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/musk-says-took-four-covid-19-tests-two-were-positive-two-negative
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2020/11/12/102596225874741880/636x382_MP4_102596225874741880.mp4
Patient found dead of COVID in ER restroom in Italy.
Yes, a new invention. It is called the Opti-grab.
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2020/11/12/102596225874741880/636x382_MP4_102596225874741880.mp4
Patient found dead of COVID in ER restroom in Italy.
No need to be a jerk ...
Millcreek has faced many challenges in his life. He was born a poor, black child.
Although the original comment was to Fly320s, this does give the opportunity to post: (https://media.tenor.com/images/52048cf64e2f64ab2871596e5a44f9f6/raw)
Does this mean Fly320s is going to stay this color?
"Gov. Cuomo will have to let us know when he's ready for it. We can't be delivering it to a state that won't be giving it to it's people immediately."
The Hill
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Trump: New York won't receive COVID-19 vaccine immediately http://hill.cm/Rya5j0o
NY AG James
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Any attempt by Donald Trump to deny New York access to a lifesaving #COVID19 vaccine will be met with a lawsuit, plain and simple.
Stop playing politics with people's lives.
NY AG James
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Any attempt by Donald Trump to deny New York access to a lifesaving #COVID19 vaccine will be met with a lawsuit, plain and simple.
Stop playing politics with people's lives.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/inslee-to-ban-indoor-gatherings-and-dining-plus-issue-more-covid-19-restrictions-for-washington-state-industry-sources-say/?fbclid=IwAR0Nlk6Yb_0h4HJWPFMIXrIWUgRD72Erh_un_buBJBJPF3zYpypCBhGpCWE
New restrictions in Washington to be announced tomorrow:
No indoor social gatherings of more than six people
No indoor dining at restaurants
Bars to close
Outdoor dining of no more than five people at a time
Takeout service allowed to continue
All museums, zoos, movie theaters, playhouses, etc. to close
All retailers to be limited to 25% capacity
Stores and other customer-facing businesses can ban anyone not wearing a mask
These restrictions will last at least four weeks
Unless it's BLM or the rest of that merry band of aholes, then they can do whatever they want..
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/inslee-to-ban-indoor-gatherings-and-dining-plus-issue-more-covid-19-restrictions-for-washington-state-industry-sources-say/?fbclid=IwAR0Nlk6Yb_0h4HJWPFMIXrIWUgRD72Erh_un_buBJBJPF3zYpypCBhGpCWE
New restrictions in Washington to be announced tomorrow:
No indoor social gatherings of more than six people
.,..
These restrictions will last at least four weeks
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/inslee-to-ban-indoor-gatherings-and-dining-plus-issue-more-covid-19-restrictions-for-washington-state-industry-sources-say/?fbclid=IwAR0Nlk6Yb_0h4HJWPFMIXrIWUgRD72Erh_un_buBJBJPF3zYpypCBhGpCWE
New restrictions in Washington to be announced tomorrow:
No indoor social gatherings of more than six people
No indoor dining at restaurants
Bars to close
Outdoor dining of no more than five people at a time
Takeout service allowed to continue
All museums, zoos, movie theaters, playhouses, etc. to close
All retailers to be limited to 25% capacity
Stores and other customer-facing businesses can ban anyone not wearing a mask
These restrictions will last at least four weeks
https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/11/rural-hospitals-cant-afford-freezers-to-store-pfizer-covid19-vaccine/
Ultra-cold freezers are expensive.
I found it interesting to see the CDC telling hospitals not to buy the freezers. Expensive, yes, but $10K doesn't seem like all that much compared to other medical equipment. Certainly I wouldn't expect a rural clinic to buy one, but it seems like an appropriate expense for a rural/regional hospital.
It appears at least a half dozen facilities within an hour of me have the freezers. How much vaccine they can hold to cover the region I do not know, but an hour drive, or even two or three, is not a big deal, whether it be a rural resident, or a hospital delivering vaccine to a rural clinic, where, IIRC, the vaccine can be stored for 48 hours in normal refrigeration to be handed out to elderly, etc. that can't travel.
I know Dogmush mentioned that military resources to help with distribution are being ramped up, so mobile military medical units could be a workaround for freezers in very rural areas.
Just my layman's perspective, since I know zero about distribution and logistics in the medical field.
Liquid nitrogen and dewars are ubiquitous. For short duration storage you don't necessarily need anything more.
The WA restrictions include not have non-family members over unless they have been quarantined for a week and tested negative. Not that we were intending to have anyone over for thanksgiving anyway, but they basically just made Thanksgiving gatherings illegal.
I guessing compliance will be low.
Again, where are the lawsuits? The governor can't just mandate new "rules".
Again, where are the lawsuits? The governor can't just mandate new "rules".
You can challenge the new rules in court, or you can just ignore them. Which is cheaper? If you're a bar or restaurant or barber with a state-issued license to operate, court might be cheaper than risking losing you license. For normal people, just ignore and keep a low profile.
^^^More like a lot tinfoilly.
^^^More like a lot tinfoilly.
In Wisconsin and at least one other state but I don't remember where, the diktats have been challenged in court and struck down, because the executive branch did not have the authority to issue them (or only for 45 days), or because there was a specific process to do it legally and they didn't even try to follow the process.
Here's my problem: the mayor or the governor or the secretary of health issues an order that no more than 6 people can gather for Thanksgiving dinner. (what if you're the Duggars and have 10 people in your household?) Well, *expletive deleted*ck you, I will invite as many as I want. But how many do I actually want to invite? Zero. :mad: It's the same with the masks; I wear a KN95 mask when I go out because I can't get a real N95, and it protects me. (it protects you from me even more, but I don't care about that) I also wash my hands a lot and I don't go out much. It kinda pisses me off when someone gives me an illegal order to do what I'm already doing anyway 🖕 (it's kinda small but that's a middle finger, not a thumb)
Starting to see purchase limit signs again.
Went grocery shopping yesterday and there were purchase limit signs on a number of products in the paper goods and cleaning aisles.
Failure to comply comes with a penalty of up to $1,000, though it’s unclear how the order will be enforced.
Failure to comply comes with a penalty of up to $1,000, though it’s unclear how the order will be enforced.
The local stores and Costco locations are cleaned out of toilet paper, paper towels, disinfecting wipes and sanitizer.
Shoot. I was at Costco this morning and forgot to do an APS inventory check in that section since Ididn't need anything.
I will say that my Costco had a ton of little 12-15lb turkeys and only a few larger turkeys, which seems to jive with people having smaller gatherings. I bought two twelve pounders. The second because it's hard to find turkeys at Xmas.
Is it cold enough there yet to store the extra turkey in the trunk of your car?
Almost, but in the meantime I'm making good use of the new chest freezer. :laugh:
If the freezer is new you should be fine. It's not full yet :D
I'm already thinking I should have gotten the next size up. :rofl:
I just bought a box of 30 rolls of Amazon Domino 2 ply toilet paper. $19.95 per box and I bought two. I can't tell if buying toilet paper on Amazon represents a new personal low or a smart leveraging of technology. I remember earlier this year when even Amazon was backordered for months for any kind of toilet paper.
The local stores and Costco locations are cleaned out of toilet paper, paper towels, disinfecting wipes and sanitizer.
Convenient, but is it decent bog roll?
I will most definitely report back.
A little tinfoily, but I can't help but think part of this is related to the left's hatred of Thanksgiving. They dislike Christmas, so we'll see what the rules are then.
Covid means we need more gun control or something
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/missouri-doctors-gun-violence-and-covid-19-are-the-same-thing/
Looks like Ohio beat Newsom to the punch: Curfew in effect for the next three weeks 2200-0500.
Not sure I get the point of a curfew (from the medical perspective - I get it from the commie pinko perspective). Wouldn't you want a "curfew" to run during business hours if you were trying to limit contact? If it's about bars and similar, just come out and say your closing them. Otherwise, most people are at home and in bed anyway.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/17/science-ohio-gov-mike-dewine-issues-a-statewide-curfew-for-21-days-to-stop-the-spread-of-covid/
Any good ideas for civil disobedience? I'm generally in bed during those hours anyway but Il Duce down in Columbus has gone too far. Driving around and yelling "you're not the boss of me" seems pointless.
I expect only unbelieving scorn. Nothing new for me.
Damn it, I stopped in the store this morning on the way back from taking Seren to day care and I forgot to get toilet paper. I have an OK amount, but if we're hit with another run like we were at the beginning of this mess I won't be.
Phrasing, please!
This year's flu season is wreaking havoc on hospitals across the country, with ERs overflowing, hospitals diverting patients and too few beds to go around.
NBC Bay Area reported Thursday that in some California counties the rate of flu cases has doubled in just the last couple weeks. Already the flu has killed at least 10 people across the state and hospitals are slammed.
So I am golden:
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/125871030_505718010582119_8636258851641016480_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=R8vzWJ60_tkAX-LRiLj&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=907651a10afd71f4e4845c2fbb6141eb&oe=5FDC7DA0)
Oh, I remember and reluctantly used them in decades past...
On those roller towels... didn't a clean laundered section become available when you pulled the towel down? I also think I recall some of them having levers on the side to get a fresh section.
Private gatherings - Must be limited to current household plus one other household and no more than 8 people total.https://www.wlky.com/article/kentucky-gets-slew-of-new-covid-19-restrictions-impacting-schools-restaurants-more/34717235
Indoor venues, event spaces, theaters - No more than 25 people allowed. This includes funerals and weddings, but not church.
Restaurants and bars - No more indoor dining. Outdoor service, delivery and to-go will be permitted. Beshear did say a $40 million fund is being launched to assist those impacted by the restriction. Anyone who qualifies can get up to $10,000.
Gyms, fitness centers, pools - Occupancy must be reduced to 33%. Masking is required and group classes are not permitted.
Virginia rolled out some new restrictions a few days ago, but they're pretty sedate compared to a lot of other places.
To get the virus under control, we need to pay people to stay home.https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/11/19/you-and-your-ideas-get-worse-by-the-day-brain-trust-aoc-mocked-for-her-bright-idea-on-how-to-get-covid-under-control-and-lol/
— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) November 19, 2020
Back to no in-dinning in KY. Sigh
https://www.wlky.com/article/kentucky-gets-slew-of-new-covid-19-restrictions-impacting-schools-restaurants-more/34717235
Down to 46 rolls of toilet paper. Time to panic?
46? Biden lover.
49 if you count what's already hanging
^^^If I could only break my wife of the habit of spinning the roll like she was on Wheel of Fortune.
^^^If I could only break my wife of the habit of spinning the roll like she was on Wheel of Fortune.
^^^If I could only break my wife of the habit of spinning the roll like she was on Wheel of Fortune.
Down to 46 rolls of toilet paper. Time to panic?
I stopped by the store this morning on the way back from dropping Seren at daycare.
Very little ground beef.
Some other spots in the meats case that were pretty thin.
Plenty of hams.
Plenty of toilet paper. I picked up another 12 pack of quad rolls. That makes 2, plus the tail end of another package (probably 30 or so rolls altogether), so I should be good there.
I have a good amount of meat in the freezer. Still a bit low on some dry goods, but I'll be remedying that in the next few days.
What I don't have much of is chicken. I need to start freezing chicken breasts and thighs.
Roast a whole 22 lb turkey just for yourself.
And these are exactly what I need for making stock...
https://www.amazon.com/ZEML-Deli-Storage-Containers-Leak-proof/dp/B07RRR7NQH/ref=sr_1_43?dchild=1&keywords=freezer+containers&qid=1605883926&sr=8-43
Decent price, too.
Yeah. My neighbors would be fine with me keeping a couple of cows in my suburban townhouse yard...
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You probably ought to have a talk with the new ahole on your HOA board. =D
It occurs to me to ask...
Aren't there a number of diseases that can be very serious, can spread in a similar fashion to the Wu-flu, and have been with us for some time? If wearing masks in public is a reasonable means of saving people from those diseases, why haven't we been wearing them for the past hundred years, or however long it is we've known about germs?
BECAUSE REASONS, GODDAMN IT!
HOW DARE YOU QUESTION YOUR INTELLECTUAL, POLITICAL, AND SOCIAL SUPERIORS!
PUT ON YOUR MASK!
I think they do in Japan and maybe Korea.
Japanese and Koreans have not been wearing masks en masse for a hundred years.
Whenever I see pictures of crowds from over there, there's almost always one or two people wearing a mask. (or maybe that's China and I'm a racist bastard who thinks they all look alike) that's going back for years. I assume it's people who are sick or think they might be sick. That's the way to do it, IMHO.
It occurs to me to ask...
Aren't there a number of diseases that can be very serious, can spread in a similar fashion to the Wu-flu, and have been with us for some time? If wearing masks in public is a reasonable means of saving people from those diseases, why haven't we been wearing them for the past hundred years, or however long it is we've known about germs?
Start naming them, but let's start after modern microbiology/immunology so 1930s and forward. Exclude any disease that vaccines have essentially controlled, doesn't have a 1-3% mortality rate, isn't highly contagious, isn't aerosol/airborne, or not normally present in 1st world nations.
Whenever I see pictures of crowds from over there, there's almost always one or two people wearing a mask. (or maybe that's China and I'm a racist bastard who thinks they all look alike) that's going back for years. I assume it's people who are sick or think they might be sick. That's the way to do it, IMHO.
Start naming them, but let's start after modern microbiology/immunology so 1930s and forward. Exclude any disease that vaccines have essentially controlled, doesn't have a 1-3% mortality rate of the infected, isn't highly contagious, isn't aerosol/airborne, or not normally present in 1st world nations.
Brief background: California's governor Newsom has been pushing for some particularly draconian restrictions in the name of fighting the China virus. Then he partied at a posh restaurant in the Napa Valley where there were no masks or social distancing. Congressman Tom McClintock responds with his trademark snark:
https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/1383191/mcclintock-let-us-not-criticize-governor-newsom.html
Measles would do it, if too many stupid people don't get vaccinated. We almost had that one eradicated, then people stopped getting vaccines, and we started importing potential new Democrats from 3rd world shithole countries and they brought it with them. BTW, I put most of that blame on the anti-vax'ers, not the loose borders.
If you have had your vaccine, what's your beef with people who haven't had a vaccine? You're covered/protected, right?Nope. Vaccines are not 100% protection. They significantly decrease the likelihood that you will get the disease and reduce the severity if you do get it, but the real value is not when one person gets it, but when almost everyone gets it. The more effective the vaccine and the greater percentage who get it, the more likely it will prevent spread
If you have had your vaccine, what's your beef with people who haven't had a vaccine? You're covered/protected, right? The root of the problem is with the illegal aliens since they have not had the health screening and vaccine regimen required by the law to enter this country. I spent the better part of a day when I enlisted in the Navy back in '66 undergoing a health exam and received myriad inoculations to be able to sail the Seven Seas and cross many borders. I expect nothing less from people crossing our borders.
Woody
No need to bark orders.
I asked about diseases that "can be very serious, can spread in a similar fashion to the Wu-flu, and have been with us for some time." I didn't say they had to have similar mortality rates. As an example, there's a yearly campaign for people to get flu vaccines, and many people do. This suggests the disease is fairly "serious," and spreads easily. Mortality rates aside, no one wants to have the flu, or give it to an older relative. Yet we haven't seen the equivalent of the current mask mandates.
There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.
Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.
There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.
Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.
Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore.
https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/spotlight-flu-season-where-hospitals-are-slammed-hardestQuoteThis year's flu season is wreaking havoc on hospitals across the country, with ERs overflowing, hospitals diverting patients and too few beds to go around.
NBC Bay Area reported Thursday that in some California counties the rate of flu cases has doubled in just the last couple weeks. Already the flu has killed at least 10 people across the state and hospitals are slammed.
Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection.
BS, every 5-10 years there are stories about overwhelmed hospitals from flu outbreaks.
The reported mortality rate of Covid is demonstrably BS also. Nobody even hides the fact that dying with Covid is always reported as dying from Covid.
Wash your hands, wear a mask if it reduces your anxiety or you wish not to inadvertently spread it yourself should you happen to contract the infection.
You should stop the fear mongering Charby.
Spreading irrational fear and blowing everything out of proportion is not helpful to anyone, well, some are profiting but that's a different story.
Show me those articles.
Show me those articles.
If you have had your vaccine, what's your beef with people who haven't had a vaccine? You're covered/protected, right? The root of the problem is with the illegal aliens since they have not had the health screening and vaccine regimen required by the law to enter this country. I spent the better part of a day when I enlisted in the Navy back in '66 undergoing a health exam and received myriad inoculations to be able to sail the Seven Seas and cross many borders. I expect nothing less from people crossing our borders.
Woody
Show me those articles.
How about this one where Cuomo says they were never overwhelmed by covid:
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/cuomo-says-ny-hospitals-were-never-overwhelmed-at-covid-19-peak/
From a college professor:https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/21/unity-and-healing-update-charles-payne-shares-note-from-super-tolerant-college-professor-about-thanksgiving-and-covid-19/
You are a disingenuous ahole. I hope you have a huge Thanksgiving and everyone at it gets coronavirus. You are such an idiot. Make sure your whole family including your grandparents are there and then you can play Russian roulette with their lives.
— Charles V Payne (@cvpayne) November 21, 2020
Wife just got back from Sam's Club and Target. Target limited everyone to one 12-pack of TP and one 6-pack of paper towels. Sam's Club was wiped out, no paper products at all.
My Sam's Club still had industrial TP in the giant rolls. I thought about getting a package as an emergency backup (you don't really *need* a dispenser), but I think waxed paper or baking parchment from the kitchen section would be more absorbent :P
My Sam's Club still had industrial TP in the giant rolls. I thought about getting a package as an emergency backup (you don't really *need* a dispenser), but I think waxed paper or baking parchment from the kitchen section would be more absorbent :P
"Get a warrant." :)
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/21/go-get-a-warrant-business-owners-in-buffalo-win-a-standoff-with-state-health-inspector-video/
There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.This story wasn't published in any media but I can verify the accuracy of it:
Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.
I just got back from Sam's Club and Aldi. I didn't check for tp at Aldi, but Sam's was out of it. Sam's also didn't have #10 cans of any tomato products except diced and tomato sauce. I used to buy Hunt's pizza sauce there for less than $3 per huge can; when I asked about it they said "we don't sell that anymore" :'( Probably because Costco doesn't sell it so now they don't have to either.
Aldi had plenty of 20 lb turkeys. I didn't get one because it's too early, but I may regret that when I go to buy one on Tuesday and they are all gone. They were a little low on 12-15 pounders.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/22/health/Covid-ventilators-stockpile.htmlThere was never a shortage of ventilators. There was a shortage based on someone's estimate of how many ventilators they would need.
As I have mentioned before, the current issue is not so much a shortage of beds or ventilators, as it is a shortage of the staff to run the beds and ventilators.
There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.charby, are there any numbers on how many people have chronic issues following infection and what those are?
Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.
About three days ago, in this very thread, I posted this:
I just wondered if anyone would point out that it's from 2018.
Sometimes people get caught up in one argument, and don't realize when someone makes a similar, but related, argument. This isn't about whether or not C-19 is a uniquely terrible disease. The question I'm asking is, if universal masking is a reasonable way to deal with this disease, why hasn't everyone been wearing masks all the time, to keep down other diseases? Diseases don't have to be deadly for people to take steps to avoid them.
Or, because it's commonly believed that working with small children is a good way to get and spread diseases, why haven't kindergarten and preschool teachers been wearing masks for the past hundred years?
charby, are there any numbers on how many people have chronic issues following infection and what those are?Unfortunately it will probably be years before hard numbers. I wonder how many years it took to figure out heart issues form measles?
Organ damage caused by COVID-19
Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:
•Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
•Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
•Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.
Blood clots and blood vessel problems
COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.
Other parts of the body affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels and cause them to leak, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.
Problems with mood and fatigue
People who have severe symptoms of COVID-19 often have to be treated in a hospital's intensive care unit, with mechanical assistance such as ventilators to breathe. Simply surviving this experience can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.
Because it's difficult to predict long-term outcomes from the new COVID-19 virus, scientists are looking at the long-term effects seen in related viruses, such as the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).
Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. The same may be true for people who have had COVID-19.
Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown
Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time. However, researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.
Many large medical centers are opening specialized clinics to provide care for people who have persistent symptoms or related illnesses after they recover from COVID-19.
It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to reduce the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean.
We are pretty darn close to this if you believe the reporting.
I'm guessing the risk assessment of influenza wasn't great enough to warrant teachers wearing masks for most of those flu seasons.
Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:
•Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
•Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the current "best estimate" for the fatality rate among Americans with COVID-19 symptoms is 0.4 percent. The CDC also estimates that 35 percent of people infected by the COVID-19 virus never develop symptoms. Those numbers imply that the virus kills less than 0.3 percent of people infected by it—far lower than the infection fatality rates (IFRs) assumed by the alarming projections that drove the initial government response to the epidemic, including broad business closure and stay-at-home orders.
Oh no! That bastard Donald Trump is out golfing while he has a sick child at home (and it's not Barron)!
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/11/23/msnbc-producer-questions-why-president-trump-golfed-while-don-jr-recovers-from-his-asymptomatic-case-of-covid-19/
Media messaging in the US is already ramping up expectations of a "second wave."
The survival rate of COVID-19 has been upgraded since May to 99.8% of infections. This comes close to ordinary flu, the survival rate of which is 99.9%. Although COVID can have serious after-effects, so can flu or any respiratory illness. The present survival rate is far higher than initial grim guesses in March and April, cited by Dr. Anthony Fauci, of 94%, or 20 to 30 times deadlier. The Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) value accepted by Yeadon et al in the paper is .26%. The survival rate of a disease is 100% minus the IFR.
Dr. Yeadon pointed out that the "novel" COVID-19 contagion is novel only in the sense that it is a new type of coronavirus. But, he said, there are presently four strains which circulate freely throughout the population, most often linked to the common cold.
2020 is so ridiculous that there is an Emmy award for virus response, and it's going to Cuomo.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/gov-andrew-cuomo-to-receive-emmy-award-for-his-leadership-during-pandemic
What's he receiving for murdering all of the elderly in the nursing homes by forcing 'Rona patients into those same nursing homes?
A Nobel Prize in medicine?
You're just assuming the authorities were right about masks then, and are right now. A disastrous mistake, as we have seen. Instead of talking vaguely of risk assessments, you can just say you don't have an answer.
Also, how high must the risk level be to require teachers to wear masks at school during flu season? Keep in mind, we're now required to believe that "just wearing a mask" is hardly a burden at all. For everyone. In every public place. And not just in flu season. "Just" wear a mask, right?
I hate wearing a mask, period and I can't wait for a vaccine (or sizeable) decrease in the infection rate so I don't need to wear one when I go into any businesses.
Award for most kills.
Dr. Fauci and others have already stated that mask mandates will continue after the vaccines are widely administered. The end of 2021 is the current thinking. Personally, I think mask mandates will continue for as long as TPTB think they can get away with it.
A COVID adaptation that I can support: I can now renew my drivers license online or via postal mail. No more going to the DOL, at least for this renewal. I would not at all mind if this was permanent. You have to sign an attestation that you still have acceptable vision and no medical condition or medications that would impair your ability to drive a car. I had read about this earlier this year, since there was concern about the vision test. The DOL released data showing that 99.6% of all driver license applicants passed the vision test, so it was decided to drop that requirement, at least in the times of COVID.
The U.S. has had more than 250,000 COVID-19 deaths; this is more than the entire population of Spokane. A recent study showed that our pandemic response is the worst on the planet.
This means that about half of the patients that we’ve watched die didn’t have to die.
^^^Ron, remind us again of your medical degrees, board certifications and experience in critical care? I must have missed that part, and it allows us to give your opinions appropriate weight.
Remind me why I have to ignore what is front of our faces, mountains of lies in the form of "official" numbers from the beginning, and accept a bullshit stat like half the folks didn't have to die?
Remind me why I have to let an obviously well written tear jerking heart wrenching story overrule my reason?
Your appeal to authority fails because the guy outed himself as a hack as soon as he squirted out his half the folks didn't have to die BS.
^^^Ron, remind us again of your medical degrees, board certifications and experience in critical care? I must have missed that part, and it allows us to give your opinions appropriate weight.That is almost to the level of Godwin's Law.
I agree that the article was an emotional appeal. Was the declaration that "half the covid deaths didn't have to happen" true? Unknown, but it's certainly not substantiated. The article is a shot in the dark - "Hey, bad things are happening with COVID, a major public holiday is this week... PLEASE stop spreading disease!"I have a niece that started to go off to college this Fall. I think it is all virtual now. For a while she was doing the COVID dance back and forth as someone would test positive and everyone who may have been in contact with them had to leave or isolate.
Ron, you claim the official numbers are garbage. I'm skeptical of that claim - I think that there are certainly some inaccuracies, but I don't think (non-china) numbers are a wholesale fabrication. My wife works in research at a local hospital, and as an employee receives regular updates of the hospitals operation and status. They are reaching capacity due to covid patients who require hospitalization, and having issues shifting patients around to make room. This, I know, is not a fabrication.
The community college where I teach at in the evenings sends out regular status updates internally. While our students don't appear to be spreading COVID at the college (we're now mostly virtual), the incidents of our students having covid which is caught off-campus have increased substantially. Most of these guys are young, and will be fine, so there's that. But, it's another indicator that this disease is spreading.
You ask why we should ignore what's in front of our faces. But, this is what's in front of my face.
So tell me... what's in front of yours?
Here is something I suspect we could all support: a call for a uniform data standard and reporting on COVID. We could accomplish a lot more if we were certain to compare apples to apples.It is a good idea if it can be done right. Do you think that is likely?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/opinion/coronavirus-testing.html
That is almost to the level of Godwin's Law
^^^Ron, remind us again of your medical degrees, board certifications and experience in critical care? I must have missed that part, and it allows us to give your opinions appropriate weight.
The numbers are garbage as we know (garbage in, garbage out) because they admit it, dying with covid is coded dying from covid. Not to mention all the other ambiguities like folks getting coded covid deaths not even being tested, the super sensitivity of common tests popping positive where there is no replicating virus etc.
I accept no guilt, shame, or responsibility for the possibility that I might unwittingly transmit an easily communicable disease to another human being, by going about my life as I have for the previous 40-some years. It is what humans have always done, and cannot be entirely avoided.
And yet some 300,000 more people died in the US in 2020 (so far) than would have been expected. The US death rate has been pretty stable and predictable for decades, and we have double digit percentages of excess deaths this year. Certainly *some* deaths were reported as from COVID instead of with COVID, but that's by no means all of them. It's beginning to look like it wasn't even many of them. Something definitely killed an extra 300,000 people this year.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
You can refuse to accept responsibility for easily foreseeable outcomes to your actions, but you still contributed to those outcomes. The part of your comment I bolded is objectively bullshit. "Humans have always" reacted to disease and pandemics as best they could at the time, by curtailing activities, quarantining folks, blockading whole cities, and in at least one case I can think of locking someone up on an island for the rest of her life because she refused to stop "going about her life as she always had" and spreading a disease*. Human history is literally rife with people changing the way they live, temporarily or forever, in an attempt to stop the spread of disease. Just because a risk can't be entirely avoided does not mean actions shouldn't be taken to mitigate it.
*No COVID-19 is not as bad as Typhoid, and I'm not saying we lock people up and throw away the key. The point is Humans *normally* change how they live their lives in response to disease. Refusing to is the outlier.
Excess mortality is, sadly, a poor way to measure the impact of the virus.
Without the lockdowns, it could work. Using thrle virus to scare people (or legally prevent them) from getting necessary medical care means that we may have killed more people with the lockdown than the virus.
My contention is that even that number is high, the covid fatality rate reported is death WITH covid, nobody denies this.
Then why are so many extra people dying of pneumonia?
and for the record:
Yes, people do deny it. In fact the people that are DOING the recording of deaths deny it. Cases are not counted as a COVID death unless COVID-19 is found to be a contributing cause of death (at minimum) (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/faq.htm). So if you have a heart attack caused by chronic high blood pressure, while asymptomatic with COVID, that's not a COVID death.
Yes, people do deny it. In fact the people that are DOING the recording of deaths deny it. Cases are not counted as a COVID death unless COVID-19 is found to be a contributing cause of death (at minimum) (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/faq.htm). So if you have a heart attack caused by chronic high blood pressure, while asymptomatic with COVID, that's not a COVID death.Except there have been documented cases this year where that is NOT true. It may not be happening in your area and some of it may have been fixed, but it did happen.
Except there have been documented cases this year where that is NOT true. It may not be happening in your area and some of it may have been fixed, but it did happen.
Sure. It happened. Some were fixed, and some, I'm sure have still not been. But Ron was claiming that it's a matter of course, which is untrue.
I agree that the article was an emotional appeal. Was the declaration that "half the covid deaths didn't have to happen" true? Unknown, but it's certainly not substantiated. The article is a shot in the dark - "Hey, bad things are happening with COVID, a major public holiday is this week... PLEASE stop spreading disease!"
Ron, you claim the official numbers are garbage. I'm skeptical of that claim - I think that there are certainly some inaccuracies, but I don't think (non-china) numbers are a wholesale fabrication. My wife works in research at a local hospital, and as an employee receives regular updates of the hospitals operation and status. They are reaching capacity due to covid patients who require hospitalization, and having issues shifting patients around to make room. This, I know, is not a fabrication.
The community college where I teach at in the evenings sends out regular status updates internally. While our students don't appear to be spreading COVID at the college (we're now mostly virtual), the incidents of our students having covid which is caught off-campus have increased substantially. Most of these guys are young, and will be fine, so there's that. But, it's another indicator that this disease is spreading.
You ask why we should ignore what's in front of our faces. But, this is what's in front of my face.
So tell me... what's in front of yours?
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/need-covid-nurse-ll-be-8-000-week-n1248652
If you are a critical care nurse and willing to travel, now is the time to cash in.
It's true for the state of Illinois.
Pretty sure I've posted the video in this thread of the person in charge explaining how things get coded.
If Illinois, New York and California all use the same loosey goosey non standards in coding just how accurate are the overall numbers?
Dr Brix has said many times that if you die within 90 days of testing positive for covid, it is a covid death. Doesn't matter if it's a car crash or a gangbang shooting.Deaths caused by the reaction to COVID are also caused by COVID. =D
As far as excess deaths go, many cities have complained about lockdowns because of the rise of suicide and overdoses while having no or few covid deaths.
Then add in the people dying at home because they are afraid of going to doctor.
I am high risk. I rarely go out. This has killed my income and it is hurting my daughter and friends kids and grandkids.
The information we have on this is so bad I would like to kick everyone that calls themselves an expert in the ass.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/need-covid-nurse-ll-be-8-000-week-n1248652They shouldn't be allowed to do that. It puts them at a higher risk of infection so it should be banned. ;)
If you are a critical care nurse and willing to travel, now is the time to cash in.
The flu can be a very serious disease as well for those that are susceptible and in the past I have heard many of the same arguments about it. I just think many states are taking the lock downs too far. We are supposed to be a free country. That should mean that we have a choice about what risks we take.
"That should mean that we have a choice about what risks we take."
But that does not, and never has, equaled an unfettered right to say *expletive deleted*ck everyone else, it's all about me no matter what.
People have a right not to be negatively impacted by your choices.
It's not true. There was an issue with disparate standards for declaring COVID deaths in the beginning of the pandemic. CDC realized this and issued nation wide standards early summer. I linked to those standards in my post. Unless your argument is that they are just lying. That's pretty retarded as an argument, because there's no discussion to it. Any contrary evidence offered is just "a lie". As we discussed earlier in the pandemic there are verifiable numbers out there, that one can sanity check off of what's actually happening in cities from first hand reports. You are just to unwilling to go find them, because it counters what's "in front of your face", as if you have first hand knowledge of the entire country.
QuoteI accept no guilt, shame, or responsibility for the possibility that I might unwittingly transmit an easily communicable disease to another human being, by going about my life as I have for the previous 40-some years. It is what humans have always done, and cannot be entirely avoided.
You can refuse to accept responsibility for easily foreseeable outcomes to your actions, but you still contributed to those outcomes. The part of your comment I bolded is objectively bulls**t. "Humans have always" reacted to disease and pandemics as best they could at the time, by curtailing activities, quarantining folks, blockading whole cities, and in at least one case I can think of locking someone up on an island for the rest of her life because she refused to stop "going about her life as she always had" and spreading a disease*. Human history is literally rife with people changing the way they live, temporarily or forever, in an attempt to stop the spread of disease. Just because a risk can't be entirely avoided does not mean actions shouldn't be taken to mitigate it.
*No COVID-19 is not as bad as Typhoid, and I'm not saying we lock people up and throw away the key. The point is Humans *normally* change how they live their lives in response to disease. Refusing to is the outlier.
Why is that unlikely?
They are attempting to have good data so they can make informed decisions, which is why the fed.gov standardized the COVID death coding rules. Why would they not have states go back and clean up the data sets? The death certificates are all computerized.
Just because you make a simple declarative statement and wish *really* hard, doesn't make it true.
Just in time for the holidays. Now, you can have Gov. Andy Beshear with you at your home.
The Kentucky governor has been reminding the commonwealth to mask up and remind others to do the same. But if you're looking for an easy way to send the message to your neighbors, now you can do so courtesy of a graphic design company.
Imagine the reaction if Trump did something like that.
Our elite governor has decreed that we shall wear masks in our own home if someone not in our immediate family enters. Same with our cars. We are not to have more than ten people over for family gatherings.
We have to wear masks at a restaurant whenever we are not actively eating. It used to be once a diner reached their table, they could take their mask off. No one really knows now if we are supposed to put the mask back on between bites of food or sips of a beverage.
It's really a Newsome-esque mandate.
Our elite governor has decreed that we shall wear masks in our own home if someone not in our immediate family enters. Same with our cars. We are not to have more than ten people over for family gatherings.
We have to wear masks at a restaurant whenever we are not actively eating. It used to be once a diner reached their table, they could take their mask off. No one really knows now if we are supposed to put the mask back on between bites of food or sips of a beverage.
It's really a Newsome-esque mandate.
I love how they word those things, to let you know you can remove the mask to drink, and so forth. It's as if we're going to look at the rules, see no exemption for drinking or eating or something, and just try to force the stuff through/around/under the mask. They think of us as children, apparently.
Another one of these:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/denver-mayor-tweets-stay-home-avoid-travel-then-he-takes-flight-for-family-thanksgiving-report-says
Time's Person of the Year should be the Hypocritical Covid Karen.
NEW: Denver Mayor Hancock apologies for flying out of state for Thanksgiving with family while telling Denverites to avoid travel. Hancock says he saw it as a choice between flying there or family flying to Colorado. #9NEWS #COVID19colorado pic.twitter.com/gpr1EMB9r6https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/25/denver-mayor-humbly-asks-you-to-forgive-decisions-borne-of-my-heart-after-he-flies-for-thanksgiving/
— Kyle Clark (@KyleClark) November 25, 2020
He says he's sorry. It was a choice between hypocrisy and hypocrisy :facepalm:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/527263-cuomo-calls-a-sheriff-who-wont-enforce-mask-mandate-a-dictator
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=64BOxYpVZpU
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/527263-cuomo-calls-a-sheriff-who-wont-enforce-mask-mandate-a-dictator
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=64BOxYpVZpU
So, I’ve seen some people claim 10s or 100s of thousands of “excess” deaths this year, and others claim 90-100k fewer total deaths for the year than expected.
Anyone have reliable, unbiased data showing which is correct? I’m interested but too busy/exhausted to go down the rabbit trails.
"Excess deaths" is actually a comparison of reality to a statistical projection that was made in the beginning of the year.Yes, and? The statistical projections are based on historical deaths, account for seasonality, and allow for normal variation. If you look at the data you can see a clear drastic increase in deaths - especially during the first spike of Covid when Hero Cuomo was killing off grandparents.
Yes, and? The statistical projections are based on historical deaths, account for seasonality, and allow for normal variation. If you look at the data you can see a clear drastic increase in deaths - especially during the first spike of Covid when Hero Cuomo was killing off grandparents.
The increase is not in the range of a minor abnormality and the curve does not follow the comparable time periods in previous years. Do you have a competing explanation for those additional deaths?
Yes, and? The statistical projections are based on historical deaths, account for seasonality, and allow for normal variation. If you look at the data you can see a clear drastic increase in deaths - especially during the first spike of Covid when Hero Cuomo was killing off grandparents.
The increase is not in the range of a minor abnormality and the curve does not follow the comparable time periods in previous years. Do you have a competing explanation for those additional deaths?
It's a misnomer because some years more people die than other years and there is no law or principle as to how many people die per year. All we have are educated guesses.These kinds of statistics aren't perfect, but actually are pretty good. Variations are typically explainable (i.e., bad flu season) and comparing season to season they are pretty consistent.
Isolation? Economic disaster? General upheaval and despair? People putting off medical treatments out of fear?Those are certainly all contributing factors, but I have a hard time believing they killed that many over and above the norm.
Those are certainly all contributing factors, but I have a hard time believing they killed that many over and above the norm.
Why?Because people are a heck of a lot more resilient than that.
Because people are a heck of a lot more resilient than that.
Because people are a heck of a lot more resilient than that.Many people are. But we aren't talking about many or most people. We are talking about a fraction of 1%. General averages may not apply.
On the plus side, so to speak, there is discussion about moving obese people up the vaccine priority ladder, since they are at higher risk.
Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.
“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.
Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.
These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.
Based on what? The last time we shuttered everything for most of a year, and had race riots combined with anarcho-Marxist-fascist arson parties all summer long?Okay fistful, I'll bite. Do you really believe that the "excess" deaths this year were due to isolation, economic disaster, general upheaval, despair, and people putting off medical treatments out of fear?
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
Okay fistful, I'll bite. Do you really believe that the "excess" deaths this year were due to isolation, economic disaster, general upheaval, despair, and people putting off medical treatments out of fear?
I never said all of them were. Are you saying none of them were?
You asked for competing explanations, and I pointed out some rather obvious things one might expect would lead to higher mortality rates in this rather unusual year. Are you telling me you really didn't look at those factors? You really don't think more people might die under those conditions?
Those are certainly all contributing factors, but I have a hard time believing they killed that many over and above the norm.I’m aware that all of those things have contributed to deaths. Anecdotally, today I attended a funeral for a cousin who committed suicide. I don’t know exactly what drove him to it, but can’t help but guess that there was a reason he did it in 2020.
I still do not think these contributing factors explain a significant portion of the increased number of deaths, especially the spike in April.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
Just a fact. Almost 90% of those that died in hospitals had a DNR.
Those DNRs didn't arrive in big full boxes like mail-in ballots did they?
And... the primary work site where the rest of my team works is closed today due to a positive Kung Flu case.None at least until that solar flare hits D.C. =D
We were already scheduled to have an online meeting, and I'm in a separate location, so no ill effect for me.
None at least until that solar flare hits D.C. =D
I've had a cold for the last three days. CVS is offering beer virus tests but I'm too lazy to go get one.
My stepson brought it to our Thanksgiving dinner. His wife and one of his stepdaughters (my step-granddaughter?) got sick the day before Thanksgiving and couldn't attend. I'm sure he brought their bugs it with him.
His wife and stepdaughter have since recovered but he came down with the bug. Serves him right for giving it to me. =D
I can honestly, 100%, no armchair warrior stuff, say that if I were in this store while it happened, I would have put hands on the guy and at the very least thrown him into a display case.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/12/02/look-ma-a-mask-nazi-video-of-whacked-out-masked-old-man-harassing-threatening-woman-for-not-wearing-a-mask-is-nuts-watch/
He needs to be drinking his milk and taking calcium supplements so that he has good, strong teeth. He is going to need strong teeth if he refuses to mind his own damn business.
The first randomized controlled trial of more than 6,000 individuals to assess the effectiveness of surgical face masks against SARS-CoV-2 infection found masks did not statistically significantly reduce the incidence of infection
Among mask wearers, 1.8% ended up testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, compared to 2.1% among controls. When they removed the people who did not adhere to proper mask use, the results remained the same — 1.8%, which suggests adherence makes no significant difference
Among those who reported wearing their face mask “exactly as instructed,” 2% tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 compared to 2.1% of the controls
1.4% tested positive for antibodies at the end of the month-long study compared to 1.8% of controls
0.5% in the mask group and 0.6% tested positive for one or more respiratory viruses other than SARS-CoV-2
Annals of Internal Medicine is an academic medical journal published by the American College of Physicians (ACP). It is one of the most widely cited and influential specialty medical journals in the world.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/03/efficacy-of-surgical-masks.aspx
Disclaimer: not my area of expertise. I haven't studied the Danmask-19 Trial.
From Wikipedia:
This study does not support the narrative. How long before the conclusion is rewritten in favor of the narrative, or before it just disappears?
This study does not support the narrative. How long before the conclusion is rewritten in favor of the narrative, or before it just disappears?
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/24/covid-19-controversial-trial-may-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/
Science is only science when it supports therightleft truth.
I had read there was a debate whether to publish the study, since the results were inconsistent with earlier similar studies. However, it was thought to be an important contribution to the current state of knowledge and the article was published.
ETA some citations:
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/24/covid-19-controversial-trial-may-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/
https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/89778
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/biden-harris-interview-jake-tapper/index.html
https://www.wcvb.com/article/joe-biden-will-ask-americans-to-wear-masks-for-his-first-100-days-as-president/34865957
It is your patriotic duty to wear a mask during the first 100 days of the Biden administration.
That's a pretty round number for following the science.
Follow equality. Resist 46.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/biden-harris-interview-jake-tapper/index.html
https://www.wcvb.com/article/joe-biden-will-ask-americans-to-wear-masks-for-his-first-100-days-as-president/34865957
It is your patriotic duty to wear a mask during the first 100 days of the Biden administration.
Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши.
Personally, I believe this whole "debate" is more about the seriousness of the assumptions, fear mongering, and an apparent desire to keep the hype at a fever pitch than it is about reality.
If you can smell someones breath through their mask and yours, where is the efficacy of either mask? Underpants and a pair of jeans won't block the stench of a fart, so all you wear is futile. I don't think anything less than a HEPA filter coupled with a charcoal filter is going to save you - unless you have a healthy immune system.
Woody
A vast majority of those testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic. They simply aren’t sick. The PCR test is merely picking up inactive (noninfectious) viral particles
In one study, which looked at pregnant women admitted for delivery, 87.5% of the women who tested positive for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 had no symptoms
A study looking at PCR test data from nearly 10 million residents in Wuhan city found that not a single one of those who had been in close contact with an asymptomatic individual tested positive
Of the 34,424 residents with a history of COVID-19, 107 individuals tested positive a second time, but none were symptomatic and none were infectious
When asymptomatic patients were tested for antibodies, they discovered that 190 of the 300, or 63.3%, had actually had a “hot” or productive infection resulting in the production of antibodies. Still, none of their contacts had been infected.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fart-pants-mask-protect-virus-050056776.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0mdmVkPTJhaFVLRXdqbTZZT3kxN1R0QWhVT0FaMEpIZEpoQm44UUZqQUFlZ1FJQkJBQyZ1cmw9aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueWFob28uY29tJTJGbGlmZXN0eWxlJTJGZmFydC1wYW50cy1tYXNrLXByb3RlY3QtdmlydXMtMDUwMDU2Nzc2Lmh0bWwmdXNnPUFPdlZhdzFUUjhDQjJmaWdPN0Y3T0lrSlZXT1A&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADfWfaYEm9j8Hgrs-IrYjsuy7r4cXJkZdLt82-a9CaUNm3XOtJ2JYJXmvhSBZZ8LmZHzzCTkHzbcpzt81WbmkIqBw3B0IMO3UcF5mOyQGrPPR2v97pVm1KVCEaHQEjUZdQeGm1hddNnUYJ4De9Qs8TWVtHYfj7df6d4m-0EiIMXb
Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fart-pants-mask-protect-virus-050056776.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0mdmVkPTJhaFVLRXdqbTZZT3kxN1R0QWhVT0FaMEpIZEpoQm44UUZqQUFlZ1FJQkJBQyZ1cmw9aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueWFob28uY29tJTJGbGlmZXN0eWxlJTJGZmFydC1wYW50cy1tYXNrLXByb3RlY3QtdmlydXMtMDUwMDU2Nzc2Lmh0bWwmdXNnPUFPdlZhdzFUUjhDQjJmaWdPN0Y3T0lrSlZXT1A&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADfWfaYEm9j8Hgrs-IrYjsuy7r4cXJkZdLt82-a9CaUNm3XOtJ2JYJXmvhSBZZ8LmZHzzCTkHzbcpzt81WbmkIqBw3B0IMO3UcF5mOyQGrPPR2v97pVm1KVCEaHQEjUZdQeGm1hddNnUYJ4De9Qs8TWVtHYfj7df6d4m-0EiIMXb
I'm not saying the linked article is wrong, in fact a very cogent and intelligent argument was presented to explain just why farts get through .... clothing (being a gas which is molecular) and a virus, being amazingly BIGGER, could be stopped by a mask.
Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши.
We're getting closer and closer to winter now. Anyone seeing those snot-encrusted masks? I'm expecting that delightful sight will be quite common.
We're getting closer and closer to winter now. Anyone seeing those snot-encrusted masks? I'm expecting that delightful sight will be quite common.
An interesting primer on mRNA vaccines.Thanks. I don't know much about mRNA vaccines and now I am a tiny bit less ignorant.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998?xid=nl_medpageexclusive_2020-12-04&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MPTExclusives_120420&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Medpage_Exclusives_Active
An interesting primer on mRNA vaccines.
I sometimes reflect that a lot of people look "stupid" in masks (a mirror is often close by me when I am thinking this. [tinfoil] ) but still, if they can help, it's really not a horrid sacrifice.
Conversely, an awful lot of people look really stupid (without the quotation marks) without masks.
A lot of people are stupid.
People make some pretty big mistakes when they don't understand the data they're looking at.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/12/06/yes-total-deaths-in-the-u-s-are-up/
The 'Swiss Cheese' model is widely used in my profession of risk management/patient safety.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/coronavirus-swiss-cheese-infection-mackay.html?fbclid=IwAR0TBU-f5qeAd4nGsh54ufb0IFKuXi4xFfdpYOcZn3MSvIOm2fMQMjazg00
The 4 rules of gun safety.I believe those are the anti-swiss-cheese rules.
I believe those are the anti-swiss-cheese rules.
MacKenzie Sigalos reports:
One of [Dallas labor and employment attorney Rogge] Dunn’s clients in the restaurant sector thinks a compulsory inoculation requirement could be a game changer for business.
“They think it gives them a competitive advantage,” explained Dunn. “They could say to their customers, ‘Hey, our restaurant is safe. All of our employees have been vaccinated.’”
It may be, in part, a PR tactic, but Dunn said it is totally within an employer’s rights to implement this kind of requirement.
“Under the law, an employer can force an employee to get vaccinated, and if they don’t take it, fire them,” said Dunn.
"Women across the country who work in restaurants are being asked to remove their masks so that male customers can judge their looks and therefore their tips on that basis," says Saru Jayaraman, president of One Fair Wage.https://t.co/yLXubA8Rrxhttps://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/12/07/npr-waitresses-are-being-asked-to-remove-their-masks-so-men-know-how-much-to-tip/
— NPR (@NPR) December 8, 2020
I smell BS
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/12/07/npr-waitresses-are-being-asked-to-remove-their-masks-so-men-know-how-much-to-tip/
I smell BS
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/12/07/npr-waitresses-are-being-asked-to-remove-their-masks-so-men-know-how-much-to-tip/
National Propaganda Radio.
Censored on Youtube: https://vimeo.com/488696323
https://www.fox9.com/news/doctor-pleads-for-review-of-data-on-ivermectin-as-covid-19-treatment-during-senate-hearing
A Paraguayan gal that I was an exchange student with in New Zealand was telling me they were using invermectin there to treat COVID. Didn’t say it, but my first thought was that maybe it helped by eliminating intestinal parasites so the people were less compromised.
It might be of help to visitors to their country when they drink the water.... =D
Woody
Just add it to the water supply? :P
I was thinking along the lines of in lieu of Pepto Bismol ... [barf]
Woody
https://youtu.be/y-sBROXalU4
One of the Snow Leopards here at the zoo tested positive https://www.wave3.com/2020/12/11/snow-leopard-louisville-zoo-tests-positive-covid-/
They're saying Thanksgiving has caused a tidal wave of C19 cases
https://www.wave3.com/2020/12/11/post-thanksgiving-wave-covid-cases-test-health-systems/
Biden will soon be getting word of his Nobel Peace Prize
No. Medicine
^^^What Idaho Health told you regarding re-testing and resuming normal activities is best practices as per the CDC and other authorities. You will likely be testing positive for months.
^^^What Idaho Health told you regarding re-testing and resuming normal activities is best practices as per the CDC and other authorities. You will likely be testing positive for months.
So how does that work with "go about your business after ten days" if an employer or somebody wants documentation of a negative test (not complaining - genuinely curious)?
So how does that work with "go about your business after ten days" if an employer or somebody wants documentation of a negative test (not complaining - genuinely curious)?
So how does that work with "go about your business after ten days" if an employer or somebody wants documentation of a negative test (not complaining - genuinely curious)?
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/12/15/have-covid-19-lockdowns-saved-any-lives-lets-take-a-look-at-federal-data-n1212997I'll get around to reading that article later but from a quick skim, it seems pretty likely they are making the same mistake...
People make some pretty big mistakes when they don't understand the data they're looking at.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/12/06/yes-total-deaths-in-the-u-s-are-up/
"Essential" workers?
Pundits are pulling CDC's data and saying there are no excess deaths in 2020.
CDC is looking at their own data and saying there were excess deaths in 2020.
I suspect CDC is more familiar with the data, time lags, and what is statistically "normal" then the people misreading their data. YMMV.
"Essential" workers?
A couple of good reads on excess deaths. As we already knew, it has been brutal on the elderly and already compromised.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/graphing-total-deaths-in-the-us-in-2020/
https://wmbriggs.com/post/33680/
It will interesting to see what percentage of excess deaths can be attributed to the historic bloodshed and rise in murders across the countries Democrat run big cities.
Not that much. While the violence was worse this summer, it wasn't all that much worse, and it didn't kill that many. In general, homicide is way down the list of things that kill Americans every year, so even with all this summer's sportiness, you probably have a single digit percentage rise in a cause of death that is pretty small, all told.
Roll that up and I suspect the increase in deaths due to rioting will be under 1 percent of the total.
Essential workers are "disproportionately minorities"?
Essential Workers is Lib-Speak for "The poor folks that bring us the things". So yes.
I really pissed off my liberal family when I opined this fall that the US hadn't had a shutdown. The US had rich people staying home while poor folks brought them stuff. Apparently that wasn't a mirror they wanted to look to closely at.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epf52iAXEAAuD9M?format=jpg&name=medium)
Is it just me or does "leveling the playing field" sound a bit like "removing those with a particular skin color?" Seriously, am I way off base?
Let's YOU and HIM fight!
Who is stoking, suggesting, teaching, justifying, financing this tribal warfare?
Who is preaching unity and equality of all people against the heritage population and their allies?
Who has the most to gain by open conflict between the coalition of the minorities and the heritage population?
Who thinks they can control and direct the coalition of the minorities?
Who has the most to gain by destroying the influence of the heritage population and those who are sympathetic to them?
I have questions but no definitive answers.
The target should be the command & control center attacking America and not their foot soldiers and willing dupes.
I just attended the County COVID briefing as the first doses of vaccine arrive in the County and are being distributed today. We are warning our employees to try and schedule the second dose of vaccine before a day off. There is a pretty good chance that people will experience some symptoms after the second dose that can make them feel poorly for the next day.
During SWAT training it was mentioned that doses of the vaccine were offered to county administrators and emergency personnel. Four accepted.
I think a lot of people feel like a rushed vaccine may not be as safe as is claimed and are wanting someone else to get it first to see how well it works and how bad the side effects are.
Everything I've read makes this sound pretty similar to the Anthrax vaccine, which I've had several times.
It's pretty unpleasant, for a day or two. You probably won't be bedridden, but expect to feel pretty cruddy.
I'm unsure about long term effects
I am wondering if this will be the second Shingrix redux, which I had earlier this month, and made me feel pretty crappy for 1.5 days. I will definitely report back when I get it, which will probably be in January or February with the second immune three weeks later.
We are warning our employees to try and schedule the second dose of vaccine before a day off. There is a pretty good chance that people will experience some symptoms after the second dose that can make them feel poorly for the next day.
It's pretty unpleasant, for a day or two. You probably won't be bedridden, but expect to feel pretty cruddy.
Here's some COVID vaccine action for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNzbAClpFs4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNzbAClpFs4)
I guess new strains/mutations are emerging. I haven't read anything on it, but how are the current vaccines regarding strains? Are they somewhat "broad spectrum" for lack of a better layman's term?
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-tier-4-lockdowns-new-covid-strain-surge-cases
I guess new strains/mutations are emerging. I haven't read anything on it, but how are the current vaccines regarding strains? Are they somewhat "broad spectrum" for lack of a better layman's term?
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-tier-4-lockdowns-new-covid-strain-surge-cases
Viruses will Virus. I don't know why this is not being hit on more. There is a reason people get the common cold year after year and why so much research is put into "next year's flu strain" before coming up with the accepted vaccination. Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2) will be around and around and around.
bob
I mentioned colds early on in the discussion, but people (not here - people in general) seem to treat the bioweapon differently, as if a vaccine will just cure everyone. If we can't do it with even the flu, then how do we do that with something more similar to a cold?
Not that there's anything wrong with working on vaccines, but they are not going to stop it. Especially if vaccines can't keep up with what appears to be (again, layman here) rather rapid mutation.
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A record 621 people died of drug overdoses in San Francisco so far this year, a staggering number that far outpaces the 173 deaths from COVID-19 the city has seen thus far.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Overdose-deaths-far-outpace-COVID-19-deaths-in-15816356.php
Of course, drug overdoses are easily avoided by not using in the first place.
Avoiding the Kung Flu is a bit more problematic.
So you’re telling me a city of 3.3 mil had only 173 Kung Flu deaths? I thought this was the Deadliest Disease Ever! Weak *expletive deleted*ing tea!
They should be broad-spectrum, but poorly so. OTOH, as viruses (viri? virii?) mutate the new ones tend to be less virulent.
Ten years from now we'll be watching commercials on TV that say, "If you received the COVID-19 vaccination between 2020 and 2021, you may be entitled to compensation."
I don't think so, I believe part of the agreement with the feds to fast track a vaccine was to remove the possibility of future lawsuits.
Laws don't mean what they say anymore.
True, common law relies on court decisions vs. the letter of the law.
Specious and obtuse; we live under rule of power/men.
Always have, you're fooling yourself if you don't believe it.
The primary difference is that historically the state tried to maintain the fiction by going along with the social contract as written in the original constitution.
The original "law" has been interpreted away over the decades.
Our courts and bureaucracies are no longer interested in maintaining the fiction.
They abandoned inalienable natural rights a long time ago.
It got derailed right from the start. i.e. Whiskey Act, became law in March 1791.
Yea, but it is like mutations building up over the generations.
We live in the bizzaro world version of the original America.
Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?
Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?
And when did you stop beating your wife?
Besides, we don't even have to ride your loaded question back in time for that, just go visit Libya.
Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?
I would like to reverse the movement toward the government acting as if it owns its citizens, where everyone is a second class citizen compared to our petty rulers and the state can kill its citizens with impunity.
LEX REX based upon inalienable God given natural rights.
Unfortunately none of us were alive during that time, probably need to go back to time of the 1780s with the Articles of Confederation.
I think you want to go back to the 25-30 year period after the 2ns World War, where just about every industrial nation was bombed and the only functional one left was the US and she dominated the world for a while.
I think you have a terrible habit of arguing against straw men and imputing arguments to people they never made.
Pot f**king kettle.If that's the plan then you and Pot should get a room, Kettle.
If that's the plan then you and Pot should get a room, Kettle.
No, I think Ron has run out of short choppy talking points.
Libya isn't the US.
Pot f**king kettle.
No. It really is you.
PM
How so? If it is because I have a different opinion, you have no merit is saying it's me.
Pushing strawmen and putting words in other peoples mouths isn't opinion, it's just dishonest; and I won't help you hide this by taking it PM.
Perhaps y'all need to point to a historical point of time in this nation when you feel it was perfect for how you think is was, If you aren't liking my guessing game.Why would there ever have to be a point in time things were perfect? That's a progressive pundit talking point, dude.
Why would there ever have to be a point in time things were perfect? That's a progressive pundit talking point, dude.
You have in the past advocated higher taxes, and taxes were higher pre-Civil Rights Act, so should we take that as you supporting racism?
Then folks should quit pining for the past.
Then folks should quit pining for the past.You never used to mind pining for the past back when you would wish for the 60s when one income could support a middle class family, or when programs you liked were funded at higher rates ...
Kill whitey!Hmmm.
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Looks like a lot of folks have been prepping for covid 19
You never used to mind pining for the past back when you would wish for the 60s when one income could support a middle class family, or when programs you liked were funded at higher rates ...
But now all of a sudden you're against any sort of positive view of any American history as pining for some sort of racist past.
It's almost like the pundits on the left decided recently that any positive view of American history had to be condemned as racist and you - someone who when it is convenient calls out people for slavishly following pundits - starts accusing anyone who liked something about US history of being racist.
Totally independently, I'm sure. Not following pundits at all.
Hmmm.
I think you want to go back to the 25-30 year period after the 2nd World War, where just about every industrial nation was bombed and the only functional one left was the US and she dominated the world for a while.
You never used to mind pining for the past back when you would wish for the 60s when one income could support a middle class family, or when programs you liked were funded at higher rates ...
But now all of a sudden you're against any sort of positive view of any American history as pining for some sort of racist past.
It's almost like the pundits on the left decided recently that any positive view of American history had to be condemned as racist and you - someone who when it is convenient calls out people for slavishly following pundits - starts accusing anyone who liked something about US history of being racist.
Totally independently, I'm sure. Not following pundits at all.
Hmmm.
This reply had nothing due to racism. This was about middle class economics and global American dominance.
Yes, single income nuclear family households on the 50-60s was a very racist thing, during that period a white male with a good work ethic had no problem finding a job that supported that lifestyle pretty much anywhere in the country, while a non white didn't have those opportunities, except for industrial areas where labor was needed. White flight to the suburbs, etc.
"The white population of the United States increased by 17.5 percent between 1950 and 1960, as compared with 26.7 percent for the nonwhite population, so that white persons constituted 88.6 percent of the total population in 1960 and 89.3 percent in 1950."
https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1961/dec/pc-s1-10.html
Some people may need to take off rose colored glassed when looking at the past. I think you need to take off the soot-covered ones.
This is why Congress needs time to actually read this package before voting on it.
Members of Congress have not read this bill. It’s over 5000 pages, arrived at 2pm today, and we are told to expect a vote on it in 2 hours.
This isn’t governance. It’s hostage-taking.
And by the way, it’s not just members who need to see the bill ahead of time - YOU do.
The PUBLIC needs to see these bills w enough time to contact their rep to let them know how they feel.
Members are reeling right now bc they don’t have time to consult w/ their communities.
OHHHHH, so when YOU pine for the past, it's not about racism. But when other people pine for the past, it's obviously about racism. Got it.
Statistics to back that up?
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/yi/yi16.pdf
Charby,Hard not to disagree. So yes, I agree with you.
Can we agree on the following?
1. There have been bad things done in the past in the US. Those bad things are bad.
2. There have been good things done in the past in the US. Those good things are good.
3. There have been structurally bad things about he US system. Those things should be changed.
4. There have been structurally good things about the US system. Those things should not be changed.
5. Some good things have changed for the worse.
6. Some bad things have changed for the better.
7. It is possible to wish for the return of good things that have been lost without simultaneously wishing for the return of the bad things that were done away with.
Your presumption in this conversation (and totally separately the presumption of leftwing pundits) seems to be that anyone who calls for the restoration of something positive that was lost must also want the restoration of the bad things that existed back when as well.
I posit that is not the case, and one need not think things were 100% perfect at any given point to say (for instance) they wish that a bad law had not been passed. Further, just as telling the story in terms strictly of winners or losers misses a big part of the truth, trying to make the story strictly about race and defining all members of that race as either winners or losers might miss a good bit of the story and truth too.
Sign of the apocalypse: AOC is actually making sense.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/22/ben-shapiro-candace-owens-and-other-conservatives-are-in-full-agreement-with-aoc-after-she-called-the-covid-relief-bill-hostage-taking/
We all pine for things in past, wouldn't be human if you didn't. But one also needs to look at why things aren't the same at the same time. Politicians and money suck too.Fair enough. So you obviously brought race into the conversation for a reason - apparently because you saw it as a factor for something that someone else was failing to consider. Could you elaborate a bit on what you thought that was contributing?
For example I wish anti gun folks would realize that gun control laws are rooted in racism.Yes, this is true, but it doesn't mean that everyone who advocates for modern gun control are doing so with racist intent. Nor is racially motivated evil the only kind of evil that needs to be guarded against.
There are more important things to discuss.
Woody
Oh PLEASE let that be true! :rofl: [ar15] [ar15]
Absolutely.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ISBJc1wFk
Absolutely.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ISBJc1wFk
It's the Pax. The G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate that we added to the air processors. It was supposed to calm the population, weed out aggression. Well, it works. The people here stopped fighting. And then they stopped everything else. They stopped going to work, they stopped breeding, talking, eating. There's 30 million people here, and they all just let themselves die.
That could be a good premise for a movie or TV show.
I just heard on the TV that the CCP bioweapon has made it to Antarctica. Apparently the entire Chilean contingent there is infected.
This bodes ill for when the zombie apocalypse hits. Seems going remote isn't that big of a help. :)
Just days after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved a second COVID-19 vaccine for Emergency Use Authorization, news broke of a mutant coronavirus strain with “significantly faster” transmission rates making its way through the U.K., per The Washington Post.
This variant, which has been dubbed “COVID-20” on social media, first emerged in southeast England in September, and has quickly dominated surrounding regions since. Some areas of England, including London, have now entered into “Tier 4” stay-at-home restrictions, which forbids mixing of households. Restaurants may only do takeout or drive-thru service, and only essential retailers, like grocery stores, may stay open.
Knock Knock
Who's there?
COVID-20
COVID-20 who?
Doctors explain the new mutant coronavirus strain that shut down the UK
https://www.wlky.com/article/britain-covid-19-coronavirus-mutation/35048860
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Fair enough. So you obviously brought race into the conversation for a reason - apparently because you saw it as a factor for something that someone else was failing to consider. Could you elaborate a bit on what you thought that was contributing?
Just that when we go back to whatever glorious time in the past (in the US) people pine for, it's usually a time when it wasn't so good for non whites (or Irish too, etc.). Just sitting here in my house that the bank mostly owns sits on land that was once controlled by Ioway Nations who ceded their lands from the end of a gun barrel to the US from 1820-1840 to be forced onto reservations. After the Indians were kicked off, much of the land was given away (or sold cheap) to whites to settle and develop.... so they must be pining for the bad things?
... so they must be pining for the bad things?
Also, out of curiosity are you planning on giving your land back to the Iowa people after you pay it off?
I think you're missing my point, doesn't mean they are pining for the bad things, just some of the good things came from a higher cost of the bad things paid by someone else. Actually going back to those times, the burden of the bad to get the good will have to bore by someone.I'd like to suggest that it is possible that not everyone who talks positively about founding principles of this nation or doesn't like some arbitrary expansion of government authority (say, COVID restrictions that were invented out of whole cloth without so much as a nod to the legal way of enacting such requirements, to bring it full circle) or something is wishing for the good ol' days when a house slave would bring them a cool mint julep on a hot day.
I just looked at the abstract for my property, the US owned it and 1855 and deeded the original 160 acres over to a Benjamin Richards. So the feds can pay the Ioway nation since they profited from the 1st sale. My lot is 3/4 of acre and Mr. Richards probably paid $2 an acre in 1855 since that was before the Homestead Act.So you really don't care who your land was stolen from all that much. Or who the people from whom it was stolen took it from before that, for that matter.
So you really don't care who your land was stolen from all that much. Or who the people from whom it was stolen took it from before that, for that matter.
I do care, but I like to know the full story, so hopefully it doesn't get repeated. I would love to see free or cheap farm ground, but I with other residents of Iowa, don't want to pick up a arms and take it away from the landowners in Illinois and force them to a reservation in New York State.So you approach it not so much from an original sin perspective (ala the colleges and Canadians who have to engage in pseudo-religious self-flagellation for historical crimes against the "true owners" of the land) to appease the woke for the crimes of who they are and what they have, and more from an instructional perspective, wherein you recall historical mistakes or successes to help you improve the future?
So you approach it not so much from an original sin perspective (ala the colleges and Canadians who have to engage in pseudo-religious self-flagellation for historical crimes against the "true owners" of the land) to appease the woke for the crimes of who they are and what they have, and more from an instructional perspective, wherein you recall historical mistakes or successes to help you improve the future?
Sort of like what I took Ron to be doing before you accused him of wanting to restore slavery?
Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?
My text:=| Yes, I know exactly what you said.
I see no accusations, just a devil's advocate question.
=| Yes, I know exactly what you said.
You're being disingenuous. The act of asking someone whether they want something horrific is a clear and pointed accusation. At minimum you are implying that there is a question as to how they would respond and it is a clear attempt to rhetorically join what they proposed with something evil.
It is increasingly fashionable on the left to try to use a very targeted and myopic view of historical evil in the US to prove that everything they dislike about the US is likewise evil, and it is my impression that you were attempting to flirt with that kind of rhetoric. But you bungled it, and instead of tripping Ron up and making him look the fool, it makes it seem like in your mind things that are genuine good are permanently joined to things that are evil.
"You like the natural, inalienable rights in the Constitution? Well then you must like slavery too!"
That's presumably not what you believe, and I won't insult you by asking you if that's what you intended.
No, its just as simple as with history, the bad goes with the good.Okay, so how does that apply to the discussion at hand? Your deep insight was in response to people condemning government usurpation of power over people's human rights. How did your historical reference play in to that? Seems to me the evils you brought up were in large part due to the government usurpation of power over people's human rights. Maybe if you thought about it you'd realize you and Ron actually have some common ground.
That is it, my whole thing was to perhaps to discuss why xyz doesn't happen anymore, instead of the typical "liberals been poisoning the well since 19whatever postmodern society" response.I'm still not seeing the connection. If I'm being charitable, I'd say you were trying to find something to argue with Ron about, threw out some bumper sticker lines that you've heard, and just missed a lot of context.
This place seems to have turned into an echo chamber for a few handful of members.Disagreement doesn't make it an echo chamber, charby.
Disagreement doesn't make it an echo chamber, charby.
Echo chamber is an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
^^^Cordex, your numbered list should be engraved on a stone tablet somewhere. I like it.
That could be a good premise for a movie or TV show.
One more time, fingers crossed you will understand what I was attempting.I've clearly made a mistake. My presumption was (and you agreed) that you believed there could be a distinction made between the good of the US's founding principles of individual freedom, rule by law, equality under the law, etc. and the evil of the way our nation initially failed to live up to some those principles.
An example not involving race or something I said in the past.
A liberal minded person talks about how we should try socialism (again), someone counters them, "well what about the past with the mass deaths, starvation, corruption at the top, etc."
I've clearly made a mistake. My presumption was (and you agreed) that you believed there could be a distinction made between the good of the US's founding principles of individual freedom, rule by law, equality under the law, etc. and the evil of the way our nation initially failed to live up to some those principles.
If in fact you have bought into the hard-left party line that racism and sexism are endemic to and inseparable from the founding principles of the US in the same way that totalitarianism, theft, corruption, starvation, and mass murder are endemic to socialism then there is simply not much discussion that can be had.
As you are someone who has prided himself in the past on being a free thinker, independent of pundits, and generally tried to position yourself as a centrist, it is unfortunate to see in this discussion nothing but tired, ahistorical, pseudo-intellectual, leftist pundit talking points.
I'm definitely looking forward to spending a few days with my daughters, my new son, and my wife and hope you have a similarly comfortable, relaxed, and enjoyable time off.
And you missed againYou are very good at claiming to be misunderstood and that what you said is not what you meant.
Admin fight!
Is this where we say "Take it to DMs"? :rofl:
bob
I hope they don't.
[popcorn]
Healthcare staff turn on each other: https://dnyuz.com/2020/12/24/hospital-workers-start-to-turn-against-each-other-to-get-vaccine/
Also, don't pray if your covid room is double occupancy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/24/covid-patient-praying-killed-california/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/nyregion/frozen-bodies-coronavirus-brooklyn.html
New York upgrades storage capacity for bodies.
I think I need these:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FD65PN5?psc=1&pf_rd_p=ad89aa1f-fb35-4a45-91db-26c0853b907f&pf_rd_r=JZ1QHT9MANJ8GVH52MBM&pd_rd_wg=P0XWp&pd_rd_i=B08FD65PN5&pd_rd_w=unhFT&pd_rd_r=3ee05359-ced0-4e40-bd25-b8d482d5ad2d&ref_=pd_luc_rh_bmx_04_03_t_img_lh
:rofl:
I think I need these:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FD65PN5?psc=1&pf_rd_p=ad89aa1f-fb35-4a45-91db-26c0853b907f&pf_rd_r=JZ1QHT9MANJ8GVH52MBM&pd_rd_wg=P0XWp&pd_rd_i=B08FD65PN5&pd_rd_w=unhFT&pd_rd_r=3ee05359-ced0-4e40-bd25-b8d482d5ad2d&ref_=pd_luc_rh_bmx_04_03_t_img_lh
:rofl:
This too?
https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Arms-Gear-Weatherproof-Injection/dp/B01NH5K87C/ref=pd_vtp_5?pd_rd_w=66QaS&pf_rd_p=4f2ab3e8-468a-4a7c-9b91-89d6a9221c29&pf_rd_r=Z9AKSCXQQ6N5WA9A7ZDN&pd_rd_r=290bbc71-935a-440d-9a5e-5b6e35c1bfc5&pd_rd_wg=Bom2C&pd_rd_i=B01NH5K87C&psc=1
Covid causes SPACE HERPES!
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/27/super-gonorrhea-now-reportedly-spreading-in-the-u-s-and-its-being-blamed-on-covid-19/
Oh, and remember to wear your other mask
They told hunter to stay away from those Chinese hookers
Healthcare staff turn on each other: https://dnyuz.com/2020/12/24/hospital-workers-start-to-turn-against-each-other-to-get-vaccine/Do hospitals reduce the PPE requirements if someone has the vaccine? That might be a good reason to fight.
Do hospitals reduce the PPE requirements if someone has the vaccine? That might be a good reason to fight.
... and here we go. COVID-19, the sequel:
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-variant-found-colorado/73-ac654aef-16f8-4121-99f0-fe009324d7fd
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/31/covid-vaccines-destroyed-wisconsin-hospital/
Hospital worker deliberately ruins 500 doses of Moderna vaccine. What a little *expletive deleted*it. I hope some sort of charges can be brought.
The article I read, he ruined 57 doses. I don't know why the whole batch was thrown out, other than to increase the drama.57 vials. I assume there is more than one dose per vial.
The article I read, he ruined 57 doses. I don't know why the whole batch was thrown out, other than to increase the drama.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/31/covid-vaccines-destroyed-wisconsin-hospital/
Hospital worker deliberately ruins 500 doses of Moderna vaccine. What a little *expletive deleted*it. I hope some sort of charges can be brought.
A Washington Costco had a superspreader event with 150 employees getting infected. I thought it was interesting because Costco is pretty strict on all virus precautions. Not just masks, but they will not touch your membership/credit card, rather scanning it remotely from behind a barrier, and won't even hand you your receipt. They tape it to your cart, and when the receipt checker at the front door grabs the receipt with a clipboard to mark it off, they never touch it. They all wear gloves too.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/washington-state-costco-employees-infected-covid-19
All 145 people that tested positive are currently quarantining, the health department announced in an updated news release Tuesday. The store will also continue to provide ongoing site-wide testing for its employees as it monitors the outbreak.I am curious if this was something deliberate that spread it to a bunch of employees. In the back of my mind I also consider if some batches of the tests are faulty. No mention of how many showed symptoms.
..............
Last week, the Yakima Health District announced it was working with the wholesale club to investigate the outbreak after at least 68 employees tested positive right before Christmas.
Within a week after Jan 20 Covid will cease to be front page news
I thought for sure that would be the case after the election, assuming Biden “won”, which he did. And yet, if anything, they’re doubling down. I’m not sure they’ll ever really let go now. It might not be COVID forever, but they’ll find something else to keep up the restrictions over for as long as they deem it in their political interest.
... and here we go. COVID-19, the sequel:
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-variant-found-colorado/73-ac654aef-16f8-4121-99f0-fe009324d7fd
I thought for sure that would be the case after the election, assuming Biden “won”, which he did. And yet, if anything, they’re doubling down. I’m not sure they’ll ever really let go now. It might not be COVID forever, but they’ll find something else to keep up the restrictions over for as long as they deem it in their political interest.
I thought for sure that would be the case after the election, assuming Biden “won”, which he did. And yet, if anything, they’re doubling down. I’m not sure they’ll ever really let go now. It might not be COVID forever, but they’ll find something else to keep up the restrictions over for as long as they deem it in their political interest.
I'd bet the climate change will be the next justification for lock downs. The COVID lock downs have provided a great test run.
Singapore has confirmed its law enforcers will be able to access the country's COVID-19 contact tracing data to aid in their criminal investigations. To date, more than 4.2 million residents or 78% of the local population have adopted the TraceTogether contact tracing app and wearable token, which is one of the world's highest penetration rates.
So my brother heard from a DPS (state police) Officer he knows who told him to expect another run on grocery store stuff in early February as there will be a Federal lock down coming.
Anyone heard anything similar?
I vaguely remember mass vaccinations when I was a small child; in the mid- to late-60's. Smallpox or polio, I don't remember which but I think it was smallpox. They ran us through pretty quickly in long lines, using some kind of needleless injector. No observation afterwards; I guess if you had an allergic reaction your parents brought you back or took you to the emergency room, or you died.
They could do something similar but a little less barbaric in public schools; do whole classes at a time with the teachers watching for reactions and paramedics standing by. 1000 kids in a few hours.
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Stay away from Chinese ice cream:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-ice-cream-contaminated-covid-19
Interesting: Just heard on Fox Business that the only major economy to show significant growth last year in the throes of the pandemic was... China.
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Get ready for Kung flu cases to drop big time. For some reason starting today you have to be presenting symptoms and test positive twice to have covid.
Where did you hear that?
CNNhttps://twitter.com/CNN/status/1352209350224441344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1352209350224441344%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsamj-3930%2F2021%2F01%2F21%2Fcannot-emphasize-enough-how-bad-this-reporting-is-cnn-claims-biden-inherited-no-plan-for-vaccinations-and-yeah-thats-bs%2F
@CNN
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4h
Newly sworn in President Joe Biden and his advisers are inheriting no coronavirus vaccine distribution plan to speak of from the Trump administration, sources tell CNN, posing a significant challenge for the new White House.
China is back to forcibly evacuating villages:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-epidemic-ravaging-northeast-china-villages-evacuated-livestock-and-crops-left-behind_3665342.html
China is back to forcibly evacuating villages:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-epidemic-ravaging-northeast-china-villages-evacuated-livestock-and-crops-left-behind_3665342.html
What was it someone predicted about the numbers falling after Biden became President?
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/right-cue-biden-who-admits-high-cycle-pcr-tests-produce-massive-covid-false-positives
Oh oh - The NYT went on another dangerous expedition outside of NYC.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/22/ny-times-writer-shaken-by-what-he-saw-during-1600-mile-drive-through-middle-america/
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Biden says "There's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic." That statement is cool with the MSM. I'm sure that wouldn't have been the case if a certain other person said it four days ago.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-nothing-we-can-do-to-change-coronavirus-pandemic-trajectory-in-coming-months
ETA: I just now saw on the teevee, that one of the biggest motivators for people voting for Biden was that he would immediately take care of the China virus.
^^^I still ponder this, and will be interested to see the political science opinions in years to come, but I think that but for the virus, Trump would have been re-elected.
^^^I still ponder this, and will be interested to see the political science opinions in years to come, but I think that but for the virus, Trump would have been re-elected.
I think that's absolutely the case. The economy was going gangbusters under Trump. The Democrats needed the shutdowns to wreck the economy so they could derail the Trump train. And the bastards were willing to wreck the economy of the entire country, and put millions of people out of work, so they could get Trump out of office.
Then add in the upset dems that were told over and over they would get $2000 checks as soon as they won the senate runoffs.
Now they are going on like "$1400 at some point? That's not what we were promised."
Since when have most politicians (but especially dems) kept their promises?? ??? ;/
Hitler: Give me five years and you will not recognize Germany.
And have you noticed how the Germans have been increasing their "military readiness" for the last 10 years?
And have you noticed how the Germans have been increasing their "military readiness" for the last 10 years?
A little Sat morning tinfoil hattery [tinfoil]
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. questions if there’s a link between Hank Aaron’s death and the COVID-19 vaccine
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/22/robert-f-kennedy-jr-questions-if-theres-a-link-between-hank-aarons-death-and-the-covid-19-vaccine/
Add California to the blue states where the virus is suddenly after 20JAN not so serious anymore. Hooray science!
https://www.foxnews.com/us/newsom-expected-to-lift-californias-stay-at-home-order-reports
See the difference two days can make? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? [tinfoil]
Oh oh - The NYT went on another dangerous expedition outside of NYC.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/22/ny-times-writer-shaken-by-what-he-saw-during-1600-mile-drive-through-middle-america/
Millions of Americans have decided they would prefer more Covid — for their communities and potentially for their families and themselves — to more masks.
The big local liberal rag here, up until 20JAN, was throwing out "more cases than ever!!!!!" headlines. They started being less ZOMG on 21JAN already, and this morning, just a week later, they are reporting that January numbers are only 30% of those in December. That's some interesting math there. I guess some people ended up having reverse cases to cancel out the "we're all going to die" numbers for the first 20 days of the month.
I don't have kids in school,
Well, none you are aware of. ;) :angel:
Gotta have sex with a biological female to have children. [popcorn]
FTFYBigot.
Everyone will be sporting stickers like the "I Voted" stickers.
It will be an image of a sphincter with the words "I proved my love" above the image.
Biden is floating the idea of requiring COVID testing for all US airline passengers.That must go with this news. Perfect for the TSA.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-considers-mandatory-covid-19-tests-for-domestic-air-travel-official-says
Israel is now leading the world in having the most people inoculated against the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus per capita, with currently more than 30 percent of the countries’ population having administered at least their first COVID-19 vaccine dose, amounting to over 2.8 million of its 9.3 million citizens.
The fight seems long from over, however, as the Middle Eastern country is reporting a surge of the more infectious variants currently overwhelming its hospitals.
Interesting: Israel apparently has the highest vaccination rate in the world, but are seeing a surge in new cases based on mutations of the virus:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/updates-on-ccp-virus-personal-data-stolen-from-dutch-track-and-trace-program_3677145.html
"There are many people who feel you know, if you really wanna have an extra little bit of protection, maybe I should put two masks on. There's nothing wrong with that, but there's no data that indicates that that is gonna make a difference and that's the reason why the CDC has not changed their recommendations," Fauci said.
Is there a mask out there that still works if you find you have a boot stomping on your face forever?
Is there a mask out there that still works if you find you have a boot stomping on your face forever?
"She said that’s about the time that I’ll also get the Autism."
Generally can't get what you already have... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That must go with this news. Perfect for the TSA.
China Deploys Anal Swab Tests To Detect High-Risk Covid-19 Cases
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/01/27/china-deploys-anal-swab-tests-to-detect-high-risk-covid-19-cases/?sh=632756536e81
Eyes - just make sure you have eaten a good amount of whatever food gives you "gas" (onions, broccoli, beans, etc.) so you can "let fly when they poke you with that swab. >:D >:D
Just saw a guy wearing one of these.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/860720900/single-layer-mesh-face-mask-sheer?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_all&utm_custom1=_k_df831cb2b95b1d6775757cafc41e499c_k_&utm_content=bing_319339185_1304020917004184_81501327774781_pla-4585100928622219:pla-4585100928622219_m__860720900&utm_custom2=319339185
It just looked like a black mask. You had to look closely to see that it was, um, not 100% effective.
May his tribe increase.
^^^When we have people wearing these masks come to our entry control points at the hospital, we offer them a surgical mask instead. If they refuse, we refuse entry and they can go elsewhere.
Cool story, Karen.
^^^When we have people wearing these masks come to our entry control points at the hospital, we offer them a surgical mask instead. If they refuse, we refuse entry and they can go elsewhere.
Current guidance based on community exposure, for people exposed to people with known or suspected COVID-19 or possible COVID-19
Individual who has had close contact (within 6 feet for a total of 15 minutes or more)
Exposure to
Person with COVID-19 who has symptoms (in the period from 2 days before symptom onset until they meet criteria for discontinuing home isolation; can be laboratory-confirmed or a clinically compatible illness)
Person who has tested positive for COVID-19 (laboratory confirmed) but has not had any symptoms (in the 2 days before the date of specimen collection until they meet criteria for discontinuing home isolation).
Note: This is irrespective of whether the person with COVID-19 or the contact was wearing a mask or whether the contact was wearing respiratory personal protective equipment (PPE)
Individual who has had close contact (within 6 feet for a total of 15 minutes or more)
Exposure to
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I just read an article arguing that due to the need for global herd immunity, international travel may not recover until 2024.
The whole relying on ill fitting paper masks to protect you or others from contracting the coronadoom is just silly.
At best it contains spittle from those who are infected possibly lowering the viral load to which you are exposed.
Back when we were all completely in the dark about the virus and they were maliciously scaring the H E double L out of us I was sanguine about anything that they said would help.
The stupid paper or cloth masks are one step removed from completely useless, despite the consensus of Karens.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/ClothFaceCoveringsandMasks. You can start your research there. Note there have been many more supplemental rulings made to the original orders.
As C&SD used to say:
This post is factually challenged,
Oh, really? Do they have a crystal ball? How many people will be vaccinated (worldwide) before then? The Johnson and Johnson vaccine should be easy to distribute.
There's been so much .... junk predicting going on, I wouldn't believe it if I was told the sun would rise tomorrow morning at this point.
Uh oh, Ben:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/05/virus-variant-reinfection-south-africa/
I sure hope the current vaccines continue to provide some degree of protection against the variants, but will further mutations require further vaccines?
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-01-29/airline-pilots-flight-errors-pandemic
Pilots are rusty due to decreased flight hours. I wonder if they are spending more time in the simulators.
Boeing has some fancy simulator/training center down in south King County. I have seen articles and pictures of it, and they are the full-motion full cockpit simulators on hydraulic jacks that pitch and turn. I remember being impressed by the cost per hour charged to use the simulators, and even more impressed by the racks of the server farms necessary to run the place.
Full motion sims are industry standard. And yes, they are expensive to run, but much cheaper than a real airplane.
If you want to experience a full motion simulator all you have to do is visit the Pearl Harbor Aviation Museum and buy a ticket for their sim. More fun than most things in the tourist trap known as Hawaii!
https://www.pearlharboraviationmuseum.org/attractions/fighter-ace-360o-flight-simulator/
bob
If you want to experience a full motion simulator all you have to do is visit the Pearl Harbor Aviation Museum and buy a ticket for their sim. More fun than most things in the tourist trap known as Hawaii!
https://www.pearlharboraviationmuseum.org/attractions/fighter-ace-360o-flight-simulator/
bob
Fistful's original posting showed a sheer mesh mask. I suggest that you buy one, put it on, and go to your nearest local hospital, emergency room or skilled nursing facility and request entry. Be sure to report back.
WHO rules out further investigation into Covid-19 originating from lab: 'extremely unlikely to explain the introduction of the virus into the human population and is therefore not a hypothesis that implies future studies to support our work into understanding origin of the virus'So that means the origin is almost certainly the lab in Wuhan.
Liang: Covid-19 can be found in frozen food and packaging. It has been found in the cold chain, indicating that it can be carried long-distance on cold-chain products.
But is the virus found in frozen food still virulent or dangerous?
What gives? Is this a local thing, or is it widespread?
Ben Embarek now keeping open the possibility of coronavirus being present in 'other countries' (before Wuhan).
Liang: Possibility of missed earlier circulation of Covid-19 in other locations. Suggesting a determination of review after global data.
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As long as we're demanding that everyone follow all these rules to protect others from catching a virus that's not very dangerous to most people...
Aren't we going to completely ban alcoholic beverages, just to prevent drunk driving accidents?
Aren't we going to aggressively prosecute anyone having any kind of sex outside of marriage, to prevent STDs?
Aren't we going to outlaw pit bulls, chows, and other dogs known to be dangerous?
Aren't we going to require the law-abiding to carry firearms, for the defense of themselves and others?
Probably.
Most prudent people don't get into car crashes or motorcycle collisions. Why the unconstitutional infringement of seatbelts and motorcycle helmets? If these laws were done away with, thousands of lives would be saved every year since there would be more organs available for transplant into the deserving.
The insurance companies demanded they become laws.
There was no public outcry demanding government get involved. In fact in both cases there was a lot of grumbling from the public.
You still can go helmetless in Illinois, a helmet is not required.
Most prudent people don't get into car crashes or motorcycle collisions.
University authorities said in a notice Monday that students in dorms must remain in their rooms at all times, except to seek medical care, in case of an emergency, to go the bathroom, or to get food.
“After you pick up your food, you are required to return immediately to your room,” the notice cautions, noting that students may only go out to collect food at specific times and from designated food distribution kiosks.
Students may also leave their rooms to get their mandatory, twice-per-week COVID-19 test.
"I'm going to shut down the virus, not the country." - Joe Biden
"I'm going to shut down the virus, not the country." - Joe Biden
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/02/10/biden-administration-considering-domestic-travel-restrictions-on-florida-due-to-coronavirus-mutations/
He must have had a flare-up of dementia; he appears to be shutting down the country and stimulating the virus ...... [tinfoil] [popcorn] =|
This Cuomo / nursing home thing is interesting. I'm mostly seeing "Republicans pounce" articles, I guess because the MSM made him a hero with their coverage and his Emmy award and everything.I heard it looks like they lied about the number of deaths at nursing homes. I thought I heard the numbers were near double what they reported.
I heard it looks like they lied about the number of deaths at nursing homes. I thought I heard the numbers were near double what they reported.
NH does not have a seatbelt law for adults. Only state that doesn't.
No helmet law, either.
If seatbelts laws are really about safety why are they not required on school buses?
What Is Compartmentalization?
Compartmentalization in school buses is the design concept of using tall seat backs, padded with energy-absorbing construction covering all metal parts, and spacing that is closer than typically found in passenger vehicles.
from:
https://www.hw-lawfirm.com/what-part-does-compartmentalization-play-in-school-bus-safety/ (https://www.hw-lawfirm.com/what-part-does-compartmentalization-play-in-school-bus-safety/)
https://gab.com/UCVM2112/posts/105736667849248484
The linked text is about putting together "teams" to protect business owners that choose to ignore certain Covid rules. Documenting law enforcement/code enforcement interactions, and possibly other forms of backlash, etc.
Apparently Pfizer says that the new South African variant reduces vaccine effectiveness by 2/3.
Life expectancy in the United States dropped a staggering one year during the first half of 2020 as the coronavirus pandemic caused its first wave of deaths, health officials are reporting.
Not that I really care to rekindle the fake statistics debates, but I recall there was some discussion awhile back about whether or not COVID would be big enough to show up in the life expectancy stats.
So when can we ditch the face diapers?
So when can we ditch the face diapers?
The most recent (January 2021) clinical opinion I have heard on that is when 75% or so of the US population is vaccinated. But I wonder if that may change due to the variants.
The most recent (January 2021) clinical opinion I have heard on that is when 75% or so of the US population is vaccinated. But I wonder if that may change due to the variants.
Out of curiosity, what was the source of that clinical opinion?
Out of curiosity, what was the source of that clinical opinion?
I have read in several sources of media quoting Dr. Fauci making that statement, and I think I have read similar opinions from other public health sources.Huh, I thought he had already admitted that his 70 to 75% was a manipulative lie by January. By December he was saying 80 to 85 percent.
“When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent. Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,’ so I went to 80, 85,” he said.
Huh, I thought he had already admitted that his 70 to 75% was a manipulative lie by January. By December he was saying 80 to 85 percent.
So he must have said this most recently a little over a week ago on 'Good Morning America'.Thanks. Given that he's already publicly admitted that he lies about that specific figure to get people to behave differently it's hard for me to put much faith in whatever his current take is relating to herd immunity.
He's worn so many holes in his flip flops that he most have a closet full of them.
The most recent (January 2021) clinical opinion I have heard on that is when 75% or so of the US population is vaccinated. But I wonder if that may change due to the variants.
Two generations to flatten the curve.
https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-iran-cleric-coroavirus-gay/31094316.html
Well then, that changes everything.
In an interview with Reuters, Fauci on Monday said the pandemic arrived in the United States as the country was riven by political divisions in which wearing a mask became a political statement rather than a public health measure.
I saw that too and had pretty much the same reaction.
Give me a few hours with that thing, I'll trim the *expletive deleted*it out of it.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control slipped in a shocking piece of evidence in a recent report on low in-school COVID-19 transmission that severely undercuts the rationale for most COVID restrictions, including lockdowns.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/amid-covid-19-pandemic-flu-has-disappeared-in-the-us/
2020: the flu season that wasn't.
Golly gee whiz, the masking and social distancing has killed the annual flu season. There's another reason to make mask and social distancing mandates permanent.
Probably no way to get any kind of numbers, but I wonder how many people had the flu but just skipped visiting the doctor? Or maybe even had a mild flu but thought it was mild covid?I imagine the usual hypochondriacs are conflicted. Should they run to the doctor for every little thing or stay locked down?
I imagine the usual hypochondriacs are conflicted. Should they run to the doctor for every little thing or stay locked down?
Why on earth?
https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/1364946181055516673
Bend over for America
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9298587/China-denies-requiring-U-S-diplomats-anal-swab-tests.html
Before the COVID-19 pandemic forced Jefferson County Public Schools to quickly transition to remote learning, students had been suspended nearly 16,000 times during the 2019-20 school year.
Since then, overall behavior referrals at JCPS have plummeted as students learn from home.
Someone needs to call Mr. Obvious
Student behavior referrals plummet during distance learning at JCPS
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/student-behavior-referrals-plummet-during-distance-learning-at-jcps/article_7d874ce4-7873-11eb-b540-ff698f5eb995.html
I wonder what the on-line attendance rates are for those very students...
I bet it's pretty bad.
Overall learning has plummeted as well, but we won't admit that.
Ben, I congratulate you on being such a "grand" uncle.
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ZURICH—Austrian authorities have suspended inoculations with a batch of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine as a precaution while investigating the death of one person and the illness of another after the shots, a health agency said on Sunday.
“The Federal Office for Safety in Health Care (BASG) has received two reports in a temporal connection with a vaccination from the same batch of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the district clinic of Zwettl” in Lower Austria province, it said.
One 49-year-old woman died as a result of severe coagulation disorders, while a 35-year-old woman developed a pulmonary embolism and is recovering, it said. A pulmonary embolism is an acute lung disease caused by a dislodged blood clot.
“Currently there is no evidence of a causal relationship with the vaccination,” BASG said.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article249663363.html
Idaho truck driver concludes COVID wasn't a hoax after all.
:facepalm:
Blue-checks are afraid of life getting back to normal. Really. They are tweeting this to their followers right now.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/05/blue-checks-are-afraid-of-life-getting-back-to-normal-really-they-are-tweeting-this-to-their-followers-right-now/
I don’t want to travel endlessly for work. I don’t want my weekends to be over-committed with activities.I don’t want to miss bedtime with my kid. I don’t want to wear blazers — or, hell, even shoes.
He is in on it. One of "them."
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article249663363.html
Idaho truck driver concludes COVID wasn't a hoax after all.
Yup. My grand niece, who has always loved school, started falling way behind on her reading level (she's in 2nd grade) because of remote learning and the teachers just not having time to help students get over any remote learning humps. Her dad is a good guy, but just not a good home schooler. I gave him four grand to hire a private tutor and she has now caught back up, but not every kid gets that kind of help.I have two nieces in college (or taking college classes remotely). I found out one was having trouble with math and got a tutor to help. They don't have any office hours or time with a teaching assistant. I don't think she even has an actual textbook. She ended up getting a tutor to get her through that spot and is doing well again. My other niece was already using tutors to assist.
I can only imagine how badly this "graduation year" cadre of students is going to fall behind by the time they all graduate. I think the younger students, in their formative years, are going to be especially hard hit.
There are many people who think it's all a hoax.
The hoax isn't the virus. The hoax is treating something that's 3 times as deadly as the flu for those over 70, about as deadly for those 50-70, and far less deadly for those under about 50 as the andromeda strain.
Have the actions of the past year (the blatant lying, manipulation, draconian measures, and mask insanity) including destroying thousands of people's livelihoods been appropriate to something this benign?
Yes, people have died. Yes, it's a serious disease. But it should never have disrupted the world this much. Our entire world is insane.
Health authorities in Austria were the first to sound the alarm on the potential dangers of the vaccine, suspending on Tuesday one batch of doses.
Italy on Friday banned the use of vaccines from a specific batch of AstraZeneca doses following the death of a serviceman in Sicily, who had died of cardiac arrest one day after receiving his first dose of the vaccine.
Denmark however on Thursday became the first European country to temporarily suspend the entire rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine.
The European Union's medicines regulator, the EMA, is currently investigating whether the shot could be linked to a number of reports of blood clots.
Nearly a year after California Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered the nation’s first statewide shut down because of the coronavirus, masks remain mandated, indoor dining and other activities are significantly limited, and Disneyland remains closed.
By contrast, Florida has no statewide restrictions. Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis has prohibited municipalities from fining people who refuse to wear masks. And Disney World has been open since July.
Despite their differing approaches, California and Florida have experienced almost identical outcomes in COVID-19 case rates.
How have two states that took such divergent tacks arrived at similar points?
...
California and Florida both have a COVID-19 case rate of around 8,900 per 100,000 residents since the pandemic began, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And both rank in the middle among states for COVID-19 death rates—Florida was 27th as of Friday; California was 28th.
A tale of two states: California and Florida have nearly identical COVID infection rates despite taking very different approaches to the pandemic:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/virus-tolls-similar-despite-governors-contrasting-actions_3732095.html
Ireland and the Netherlands have just suspended the use of the Astra Zeneca vaccine over concerns about possible blood clots.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/15/covid-ireland-netherlands-suspend-astrazeneca-vaccine-amid-blood-clot-fears.html
Food for thought ...
If you get the Covid, develop symptoms and stay home, are helping the herd achieve immunity? Someone gave it to you and maybe staying home will deprive someone else of getting it and you're therefore not passing on the opportunity to achieve natures best immunity. We've been designed to work that way, though not all diseases will be cured by a person's own immune system. Even polio can be cured by one's own immune system but not the damage it can create or cause in some people.
Certain diseases such as syphilis and tuberculosis aren't handled well with a person's immune system but those diseases are curable with the proper drugs. Viruses rely completely on a person's immune system. Vaccines only boost or 'train' a person's immune system for a particular virus, they will not prevent you from acquiring it. You're just more able to defeat it. While I'm still strong and healthy, I'll rely on natures way to defeat viruses.
Here is another thought to consider: If I have the disease and remain symptom free, doesn't that mean my immune system is doing its job and any viruses I might expel are weekend or dead and might aid someone else's immune system develop/build up their immune system's resistance just like a vaccine?
Woody
Spreading pestilence and disease is not “natural medicine.” That’s just making people sick.I don’t agree with intentional infection, but for most people it is not a particularly nasty virus.
I cannot begin to comprehend how the spectrum of American values has grown to include the proposition that making people sick with a really nasty virus might be a public service, akin to natural immunisation.
I don’t agree with intentional infection, but for most people it is not a particularly nasty virus.
Would you use a firearm that had a failure rate of one percent causing death, and up to 10 percent injuries causing hospitalisation?
The numbers of deaths and and cases of serious illness, including long term chronic health problems, are nasty. Those numbers both get downplayed and puffed up for political reasons, but on the best evidence available no sane person should be casual about catching or spreading it.
It is not smallpox. It does not have a 1% mortality. It is not sane to treat it like that.
I cannot begin to comprehend how the spectrum of American values has grown to include the proposition that making people sick with a really nasty virus might be a public service, akin to natural immunisation.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)
It isn’t smallpox, but it’s also not the flu. And mortality ranges above 1 percent.
If mortality was above 1% we would have millions dead, not thousands. It is the equivalent to a bad flu and pneumonia year.
:rofl:
If reviving the measles party is your signal there might be something wrong with Americans' moral code, I think you missed a few things. The past two months, for example.
Regardless of the severity of the disease, it may be impossible to stop. It might just have to work it's course into the human population. That's what happened with the 1918 flu and now that flu is not dangerous anymore. Sucks for all the people that died yeah.
All the covid cowerers are banking on vaccines. Vaccines can work. But we don't know how well; all indications, to me, are that we will be lucky if the vaccine works as well as the annual flu vaccine. Note, we have not eradicated the flu via vaccination; I see no reason to expect we will conquer covid that way.
We also cannot put the world on hold every year so we can genetically sequence every strain just so we can "stop" it. That's doing damage comparable to the disease itself; cure worse than disease. Eventually someone will come up with a globally optimized response solution. Probably something like "stay home if you are sick, wash your hands frequently, avoid large gatherings, get vaccinated, especially if you have a risk factor". Then sit back and watch people die by the thousands, yes, just like the seasonall flu every year, because life sucks and viruses exist and people often die from them. You know, exactly how we managed viruses up until a year or so ago.
I'm not saying covid is not bad. It's pretty nasty. I'm just saying it doesn't look like there's much we can practically do about it, and the current response is equal parts information crisis and spiritual crisis, and not sound epidemiology.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)Do you believe that observed case fatality rate and mortality rate are the same thing?
It isn’t smallpox, but it’s also not the flu. And mortality ranges above 1 percent.
Do you believe that observed case fatality rate and mortality rate are the same thing?
Using the blanket formula of deaths/detected cases also presumes that everyone has the exact same risk. What is the observed CFR (again, not the same thing as an overall IFR) for people in various age groups?
The CDC current best guess ranges from an IFR of 0.002% for the 17 and younger cohort to 9% in the over 65 cohort. If observed CFR is any guide, the over 65 cohort is heavily skewed by the over 85s, but the CDC doesn’t break it down further.
As far as long term health impacts, yes, that may be a potential concern but the degree of that concern is still a big question. There are long term health impacts from most diseases, including very common ones.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#
Do you have data about case fatality that Johns Hopkins doesn’t? Would be interested to see how you concluded their data is wrong.
Would you send your children to a measles party if it killed upwards of 1 in 100, and maimed ten times that?
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)
It isn’t smallpox, but it’s also not the flu. And mortality ranges above 1 percent.
And yet, some countries have completely eliminated covid and the best evidence about vaccines is that they’re capable of developing herd immunity if vaccination rates are high enough.
The resignation on this virus is bizarre. It seems like only in America can nothing be done, when significant parts of the rest of the world are controlling the spread and rolling out vaccines that will end it.
Which parts of the world? Only in the US? Wha?I seem to remember last year some countries were claiming to have no cases of COVID. I don't think they were actually testing anyone, but that isn't important.
Most of Europe are worse than the US. I'm only aware of Taiwan having made good progress in keeping the virus out, and keeping the virus out doesn't mean beating the virus, it means getting it later or managing to hold out until a vaccine. As I mentioned, this is not a sustainable strategy even for Taiwan, and besides, it was only possible for Taiwan because they had advanced intel on what was going on in China. By the time we knew what hit us in the US the virus was already circulating and you can't stop it by halting travel at that point. The death rate in the US is midpack, and our vaccination progress is world-leading. And there's relatively little differences in outcomes based on the strength of government interventions.
My point is that even if border lockdowns "work" to "slow the spread" (which is a pretty low bar in itself), they work for every virus. But we don't do those things for every virus because it's worse. COVID is bad but it's not an existential threat that changes the balance enough to justify the response that we saw, which in fairness was partly a result of ignorance. But now that we know more, it's become a religious thing because people don't like to admit they are/were wrong; this is the more ironic in light of the "the science!!!" accusations flying around.
Which parts of the world? Only in the US? Wha?
Okay, so you’re not disputing it kills over 1 percent - it’s just that because the 16.5 percent of the population 65 or over is hit much harder than younger years, you reckon it’s less of a problem. Again, doesn’t seem sane to compare it to the flu.
Then there’s that whole thing of it being possible to contain and eradicate covid transmission, which would handle the deaths and the long term medical consequences.
At our Monday morning COVID briefing just now with the Snohomish Health District, case rates/100,000 and inpatient hospitalizations are continuing to drop, and have not been this low since last October.
Okay, so you’re not disputing it kills over 1 percent - it’s just that because the 16.5 percent of the population 65 or over is hit much harder than younger years, you reckon it’s less of a problem. Again, doesn’t seem sane to compare it to the flu.
Then there’s that whole thing of it being possible to contain and eradicate covid transmission, which would handle the deaths and the long term medical consequences.
But now that we know more, it's become a religious thing because people don't like to admit they are/were wrong; this is the more ironic in light of the "the science!!!" accusations flying around.
I seem to remember last year some countries were claiming to have no cases of COVID. I don't think they were actually testing anyone, but that isn't important.
North Korea, IIRC, is the only country to have made that claim.I thought one of the Mexican officials said that last year. Maybe it was a South American country. It was obviously not true when they said it.
Would you send your children to a measles party if it killed upwards of 1 in 100, and maimed ten times that?
What does your source of information say about those dying with comorbidities verses those who die by the Covid only?
Woody
There are things not accounted for in the data you cited, the most glaring being deaths with comorbidities. How many of those deaths listed had comorbidities? The JHU numbers conveniently leave those out. The CDC has stated that roughly six percent of COVID deaths in the US were due to the virus alone, no comorbidities being present. That brings the true COVID death count down markedly.
Second, how much overreporting of COVID cases and deaths is occurring? The federal government has been sending subsidies to hospitals for each COVID case they treat, regardless of outcome. The amount of the subsidy per patient varies by region.
Do you remember one of the chief axioms of economics? That's right, if you subsidize something, you get more of it. COVID numbers in this country are almost certainly overinflated because of the federal subsidies.
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The USA has by many accounts on this board the greatest medical system in the world. There’s no reason why all that technology and innovation should not have been able to achieve decent per capita results on covid, but it did not.
And yet, some countries have completely eliminated covid and the best evidence about vaccines is that they’re capable of developing herd immunity if vaccination rates are high enough.
The resignation on this virus is bizarre. It seems like only in America can nothing be done, when significant parts of the rest of the world are controlling the spread and rolling out vaccines that will end it.
Okay, so you’re not disputing it kills over 1 percent - it’s just that because the 16.5 percent of the population 65 or over is hit much harder than younger years, you reckon it’s less of a problem. Again, doesn’t seem sane to compare it to the flu.I don't think we know the IFR and have seen estimates ranging from well under 1% to well over. Most credible estimates I've seen are sub-1% overall with most age groups falling way, way under that.
Then there’s that whole thing of it being possible to contain and eradicate covid transmission, which would handle the deaths and the long term medical consequences.I'd love to hear the policies Emperor De Selby would prescribe.
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Your argument that hospitals are faking data and therefore the deaths by covid are overstated is great, but speculation - do you have any actual data to replace the numbers you allege are fake?
I understand there were at least 5 states that deliberately put known coronavirus patients in elderly care facilities that did not have the ability to separate them. Aside from New York and Michigan, I don't know if anyone has been able to really investigate the full impact of decisions like that.
In terms of the parade saying only small islands stopped covid, well that’s demonstrably untrue. Highly densely populated Asian countries handled it far better than the USA. South Korea is an example.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-south-korea (https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-south-korea)
Tanzania's president on Sunday claimed that his country is free of the coronavirus because of the power of prayer. However, the claim came six weeks after the African nation stopped publicly updating virus data.
"In terms of the parade saying only small islands stopped covid, well that’s demonstrably untrue."
It's also demonstrably UNTRUE that anyone in this thread said that.
Why don't you try brushing up on your reading comprehension and try again?
Some cursory searching shows "the top ten" being mostly made up of low population island nations, like New Zealand.
Most of them have one thing in common.... they're isolated as hell and surrounded by thousands of miles of Pacific ocean, with few visitors in and out.
I'm only aware of Taiwan having made good progress in keeping the virus out, and keeping the virus out doesn't mean beating the virus, it means getting it later or managing to hold out until a vaccine.
"Mostly" now equals "only". You are one lousy lawyer.
The US is not a peninsula, surrounded by a totalitarian dictatorship, a DMZ, and ocean. You also wouldn't make a good geographer regarding geographic and geopolitical borders. I would recommend Robert Kaplan's "The Revenge of Geography".
See but then there’s that whole seaport and major airport traffic, which would seem to be far more relevant to how many potential Covid cases would come into a country than whether a nice country or blue colour is next to it on a map.
The idea that South Korea is insulated from international traffic of people is, simply, absurd. Well, mostly absurd. It’s not only absurd - the idea is also more things than absurd.
In many of the news reports about the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, they are making claims that it is 79% effective in suppressing symptoms.
Read that carefully and think about the wording.
The news stories say "suppressing symptoms" but carefully avoid saying ANYTHING about actually stopping the covid-19 disease itself. This will let people think they are "cured" or don't have the virus and this will let them become the new "superspreaders".
It's disappointing in general how vaccine data is not being shared earnestly and openly. Around here, they don't even advertise which vaccines are available because "they are all good and perfect" despite the fact that there are substantial, even extreme technical differences between them, the trials were not conducted the same way, and the trial outcomes were not the same. Yet, you can still find values for "effectiveness" for the different vaccines even though the figures were not gathered the same way and aren't even measuring the same things. So it looks like the statistical rigor of the vaccine data is not really much better than for the pandemic.That is a problem with a lot of things these days. Too many people default to Hide-the-Information mode.
And Leon's getting larger
"See but then there’s that whole seaport and major airport traffic, which would seem to be far more relevant to how many potential Covid cases would come into a country than whether a nice country or blue colour is next to it on a map."
Jesus, really?
"Most of them have one thing in common.... they're isolated as hell and surrounded by thousands of miles of Pacific ocean, with few visitors in and out. "
You quoted that, but apparently you didn't even bother to read it.
Limited international contact is exactly how your supposed COVID CHAMPION! nations have allegedly "defeated" Covid.
When nations started shutting their borders to international travel the political left in the United States couldn't cheer loudly enough because they were bravely fighting the pandemic.
When Trump tried to limit international travel to the United States, your spirit animal political compatriots couldn't screech racism and xenophobia quickly or loudly enough.
You're all over the map in your "explanations" and "arguments," and like your spirit animal political compatriots, virtually none of them make sense.
And no one said that at all. In fact I mentioned that SK assigned monitors to visitors*. Something the size and culture of the US would never allow. Seriously, I've never seen anyone put words in people's mouths and deflect as much as you do. You might want to think about signing up to your covid derangement group yourself.
*https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-has-eliminated-coronavirus-risk-foreign-travelers-n1240957
Yet somehow you think that a country 99 times larger. with a population 6 times greater, than SK could do the same kind of monitoring.
Why can’t a country 99 times larger with one of the worlds largest economies work out a solution that controls the spread of the virus???? That seems like resignation to being less capable of protecting your people than other countries, which is something you should hold politicians accountable for.
Then there’s that whole bizarre argument that COVID isn’t bad at all, which pervades this thread. It’s legitimate to point out that while you are going after NY for returning covid patients to nursing homes, you’ve got people in this very thread saying that spreading Covid is just natural immunisation and that if old people die well that’s just a “nudge” for someone already on the way out.I believe I have been very clear that there are people for whom covid is very dangerous. For the vast majority of people (myself included) it is not very serious at all, or is only a minor risk.
Why can’t a country 99 times larger with one of the worlds largest economies work out a solution that controls the spread of the virus???? That seems like resignation to being less capable of protecting your people than other countries, which is something you should hold politicians accountable for.
Why can’t a country 99 times larger with one of the worlds largest economies work out a solution that controls the spread of the virus???? That seems like resignation to being less capable of protecting your people than other countries, which is something you should hold politicians accountable for.
And let's not forget NY Gov. Cuomo finally being able to employ the liberal's wet dream of death panels to remove the useless elderly...
I came across this yesterday. It's a woman in LA that owns a small funeral home reacting to the overwhelming number of bodies she has to deal with due to covid. This was filmed in late January this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE&t=270s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE&t=270s)
She also does a fair amount of complaining about the lack of assistance being provided by the government.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Yea, "one phone number" .... government should be that efficient ... [tinfoil] :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I might consider a vaccine but not before there is an antidote. :old:=| Huh? An antidote to covid 19 or the vaccine? [tinfoil]
Woody
The Vaccination Credential Initiative is a coalition trying to standardize tracking data of vaccination records in an attempt to speed up a return to normal.
“The busboy, the janitor, the waiter that works at a restaurant, wants to be surrounded by employees that are going back to work safely – and wants to have the patrons ideally be safe as well,” said Brian Anderson, a physician at Mitre, a company helping lead the initiative. “Creating an environment for those vulnerable populations to get back to work safely – and to know that the people coming back to their business are ‘safe,’ and vaccinated – would be a great scenario.”
Well, looks like fed.gov is moving forward with vaccine passports. Some of those interviewed (not gov from what I could tell) thought it was a great idea to use them if you want to go to a restaurant or something as well.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-administration-working-on-covid-19-passports-to-enable-american-travel
Just wait a while and you will see that carrying this "passport" will become mandatory. It will be necessary to have it on your person if you want to engage in everyday activities outside your place of residence. It will be a de facto internal travel document for traveling within the country.
Go ahead and call me paranoid, but just consider, when does government not overstep its bounds when an opportunity arises for it to do so.
In Los Angeles County, 6,411 people died in January — 137% more than the previous most-deadly month of December, in which 2,703 people died. To date, more than 17,000 Angelenos have died of the disease, a milestone the county surpassed Tuesday.
Just remember, "passport" to go out in public. No ID needed to vote.
Dr Naomi Wolfhttps://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1376378824460546050
@naomirwolf
I hate to be the Democrat to have to say this but it’s time to impeach and prosecute. This is a clear and present danger and these are high crimes and misdemeanors against our Constitution and basic liberty.
=| Huh? An antidote to covid 19 or the vaccine? [tinfoil]
Impeach!
https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1376378824460546050
‘Time to impeach and PROSECUTE’: Blue-check Democrat calls for Biden’s impeachment for pushing COVID vaccine passport
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/03/29/time-to-impeach-and-prosecute-blue-check-democrat-calls-for-bidens-impeachment-for-pushing-covid-vaccine-passport/
Removing him from office gives you what?
Oh, her.
Removing her from office gives you what?
And so it goes.
It's like British Royalty, I suppose. One drops out, another fills in. But they're all British Royalty.
The Fix Is In.
The same people that decided everyone should go to the surface. What could go wrong?
Yep, that bugged me too in the movie..
Considering they were on another "bug" hunt is is that a pun? :P
Just wait a while and you will see that carrying this "passport" will become mandatory. It will be necessary to have it on your person if you want to engage in everyday activities outside your place of residence. It will be a de facto internal travel document for traveling within the country.
Go ahead and call me paranoid, but just consider, when does government not overstep its bounds when an opportunity arises for it to do so?
That and leaving the door open on the dropship. It was my favorite movie of the franchise, but they had to do quite a few dumb things to make it a two hour movie instead of a twenty minute short. :laugh:
Starting Monday until the end of the year, if you take your vaccination card to any Krispy Kreme location in the US, you can get a free glazed doughnut each day, the company said in a news release.
The card must show one or two shots of any of the Covid-19 vaccines to qualify, and it must be redeemed at a store. You don't need to buy anything to get your daily free doughnut.
Krispy Kreme is making vaccinations extra sweet with a free doughnut a day for the rest of the year
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/business/krispy-kreme-free-donuts-covid-vaccination-trnd/index.html?utm_term=1616495027839919499c7afd2&utm_source=cnn_Five+Things+for+Tuesday%2C+March+23%2C+2021&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1616495027841&bt_ee=MKCxjIQHbGHRjBpl2v9ej1oFBpX5X2V%2B4I13z8VOp%2FCy57meJ2rVyMTFZyaVt%2BXb&bt_ts=1616495027841
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I identify as indigenous. Indigenous to Earth as opposed to space aliens.
Something about a carrot
https://twitter.com/KyleKashuv/status/1377739020315193344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F
Yes, treat the masses as if they're dopes who need your parenting, and tell them all about it. That'll be great.
Sadly, that tactic will work on a large portion of the population.
Hundreds of Canadian Christians gathered on Sunday at the GraceLife Church in Edmonton, Alberta. Government officials shut down the church for allegedly violating public COVID-19 health orders. Authorities erected a chain-link fence to prevent the house of worship from reopening last week. On Sunday, worshippers tore down the barricade, but were quickly met by a large contingent of riot police.
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In February, GraceLife's Pastor James Coates was charged violating COVID-19 public health orders. Coates spent 35 days in custody before pleading guilty to a charge of breaching bail and was fined $1,500. He returned to the pulpit on March 28.
Think they would try that with a mosque?
Think they would try that with a mosque?
The U.S. is recommending a “pause” in administration of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine to investigate reports of potentially dangerous blood clots.
In a joint statement Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration said they were investigating unusual clots in six women that occurred 6 to 13 days after vaccination. The clots occurred in veins that drain blood from the brain and occurred together with low platelets. All six cases were in women between the ages of 18 and 48.
The reports appear similar to a rare, unusual type of clotting disorder that European authorities say is possibly linked to another COVID-19 vaccine not yet cleared in the U.S., from AstraZeneca.
US recommends 'pause' for J&J vaccine over clot reports
https://www.wdrb.com/news/us-recommends-pause-for-j-j-vaccine-over-clot-reports/article_51c2bb06-9c4b-11eb-9f7d-a303fb03d91c.html
Yeah... I've got a clotting disease. Hereditary. This makes me more than a little bit nervous.
a stuck pig with a paper cut.
That's an interesting visual :laugh:
US recommends 'pause' for J&J vaccine over clot reports
https://www.wdrb.com/news/us-recommends-pause-for-j-j-vaccine-over-clot-reports/article_51c2bb06-9c4b-11eb-9f7d-a303fb03d91c.html
Yeah... I've got a clotting disease. Hereditary. This makes me more than a little bit nervous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxv6IGBgFQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxv6IGBgFQ)
Guess who got the J&J shot? Me! Happily, no issues to report... yet :old: :facepalm: [tinfoil]
About that J&J vaccine problem with the blood clots: - - - Put everyone on blood thinners! Create a problem, follow up with the cure, double your money! :facepalm:
Where is Guy Fawkes when you need him ... :old:
Woody
People who survive flu still get the flu vaccine.
I heard that all 6 of the thrombosis victims were women, and sone people suspect a link with hormones or contraceptives.
France suspended J&J this week basically on it's launch day there. I got the J&J a few weeks ago but I feel fine.
Speaking of The Andromeda Strain, I just finished reading it for the first time.:O I thought it was a pretty good book. In 2019 a sequel was written called THE ANDROMEDA EVOLUTION. It was a very good follow up to Crighton's 1969 novel .... in fact one of the original characters reappeared in this book.
wow. Crappy book from a guy who would later write some really good books.
Speaking of The Andromeda Strain, I just finished reading it for the first time.
wow. Crappy book from a guy who would later write some really good books.
Not one of Crichton's best. A better commentary on now would be State of Fear.
I've not read it, but Fear (yes, with a capital F) seems to be the leitmotif for at least the past 5 years, and really amped up in 2020. The Left was in Full Scaremonger Mode ever since Trump was nominated, even dredging up a term as quaint and irrelevant as "white supremacy." We all know how that was turned up to 11 last year, and then the never-ending terror of the China virus (and now anti-Asian terrorism). Yay.
"But, since you disdain it"
Never said I disdain it. I said it was a crappy first novel from a guy who would later write some really good novels. OK, maybe not crappy, but not really indicative at all of what was to come later. If someone gave me Andromeda Strain and, say, Sphere, to read back to back I would NEVER guess that they were by the same author.
The plot was very fractured and in a couple of places just didn't make much sense. Plot paths that were laid out simply stalled.
Congo, Sphere, Timeline, and others were a LOT better and a lot more tightly crafted. I especially liked Timeline.
Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
Now people are saying they won't travel to red states because it's a danger to be around conservatives. Nearly half of Republicans say they won't take the vaccine. It's literally hazardous to your health to be around this death cult. Their ignorance has reached a clinical level.
4:43 PM · Apr 14, 2021
Avoid the red states
If you're that stupid I say good, stay out!
The voices in Cenk Uygur’s head are telling him ‘people’ are avoiding red states because Republicans and conservatives are a COVID19 ‘death cult’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/04/15/the-voices-in-cenk-uygurs-head-are-telling-him-people-are-avoiding-red-states-because-republicans-and-conservatives-are-a-covid19-death-cult/
Avoid the red states
If you're that stupid I say good, stay out!
The voices in Cenk Uygur’s head are telling him ‘people’ are avoiding red states because Republicans and conservatives are a COVID19 ‘death cult’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/04/15/the-voices-in-cenk-uygurs-head-are-telling-him-people-are-avoiding-red-states-because-republicans-and-conservatives-are-a-covid19-death-cult/
Who eats at Burger King?
Jeeze, and they accuse me of starting thread drifts. Sheeesh !
This guy is an idiot. We're getting swarmed by blue state telecommuters.
Newsflash to Cenk Uygur: I am a conservative. I just took #2 Phizer covid-19 vaccine shot yesterday.
P. S. Herr Uygur: another morsel of agony for you to chew on: I OWN LOTS OF GUNS!!!!! >:D [popcorn]
Avoid the red states
If you're that stupid I say good, stay out!
The voices in Cenk Uygur’s head are telling him ‘people’ are avoiding red states because Republicans and conservatives are a COVID19 ‘death cult’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/04/15/the-voices-in-cenk-uygurs-head-are-telling-him-people-are-avoiding-red-states-because-republicans-and-conservatives-are-a-covid19-death-cult/
Chief Medical Officer Dr. Jason Smith at UofL Health said it appears, no matter the vaccine, a booster will be needed yearly. He added that by the end of the year, there should be a clearer picture of when the boosters will be needed.
Shots every year?
COVID-19 shots likely here to stay; research points to need for yearly boosters
https://www.wave3.com/2021/04/16/covid-shots-likely-here-stay-research-points-need-yearly-boosters/
It makes sense to me (not a medic of any sort but an engineer) that we'll have yearly boosters for this for a while. Just like the annual flu shots we have now. I think Covid is with us for a long time, but will quickly be just an annoyance like the common cold. Maybe even less than the cold because of the vaccine. That is, it the politics will ever take a back seat.
I'm wondering if the mRNA vaccine research this has prompted might accelerate things like cancer treatments? I just visited with a college buddy a few days ago who has stage 4 prostate cancer. (he's doing good right now but the prognosis long-term is grim) Thinking that might be treatable with a vaccine someday.
Don't wear a mask when the camera is on you, but make sure you put them on during commercial breaks:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/04/21/absolutely-ridiculous-reported-mask-policy-for-celebs-attending-academy-awards-just-reeks-of-science/
;/ ;/ ;/
Easier to pull off a ringer if they are wearing a mask.
[tinfoil]
In most of the places I visit in Idaho, people at the very least are pretty much not wearing masks outside, and other than "mandatory" places like Costco, a lot fewer people are wearing them inside. There are plenty of places that still have the "mandatory" sign on the front door, but they (unlike Costco) are not enforcing it.
Unmasked people in those places are not attacked by Karens, and masked people are also left alone to wear their mask if that's what they want. I seem to see the same philosophy in Easter Oregon, though as KGB mentioned, there are still state mandates there so I see more people in masks. No real enforcement though.
This week I am in CA, and it was almost a shock to see everyone outside everywhere with masks. I have not been following that, but am way in the minority. I also see a lot of people driving alone in their cars with a mask on. I'm already irritated in having to constantly walk back to my car to get a mask because I was going into a place where no one cares in ID, but you get accosted here.
Just three hours ago, I was helping my 93 year old aunt walk into the restaurant where we were having a get together group lunch in a private room, and the hostess told me I had to go back out and get a mask. As I was holding my aunt up at the time, I ignored her and continued walking the 20 stinking feet into our reserved room, where she said we didn't need a mask.
The Best Westerns in Nevada have been sticklers for masks at the registration desk, and said you need them everywhere outside of your room, but other than the front desk, I was blowing that off and no one has said anything.
Anyway, it has been weird seeing the variance, especially between ID and CA.
I don't believe COVID-19 is just regular influenza with a scary name. I've never had anosmia from the flu. And the flu usually hits me harder.I guess that is why I said they were a bit opinionated. Links like that might have useful facts, but hurt themselves when they immediately jump to conclusions without presenting their case.
It is entirely possible infection rates are overblown or deaths misattributed, but I don't believe that COVID is an outright scam.
I don't believe COVID-19 is just regular influenza with a scary name. I've never had anosmia from the flu. And the flu usually hits me harder.
It is entirely possible infection rates are overblown or deaths misattributed, but I don't believe that COVID is an outright scam.
I would agree there is something going around that is making people sick that is out of the ordinary. However, there has been a great deal of political BS heaped on top of it. That invites all sorts of speculation. It doesn't help that govt bureaucrats often seem to default information to secret.
I don't think any rational person believes it is an outright scam.
Yes, it is a nasty bug and it sickened and killed many people. I do not for one second believe we will ever know, or even be able to know, the actual fatality rate of the virus.
I do strongly believe that it was politicized and overhyped early on. In the US it was in large part used as a weapon against Trump.
I would agree there is something going around that is making people sick that is out of the ordinary. However, there has been a great deal of political BS heaped on top of it. That invites all sorts of speculation. It doesn't help that govt bureaucrats often seem to default information to secret.
It was basically a perfect storm of propaganda. The Chinese needed to erase a lot of Hong Kong protesters. They blamed a nasty variant of the common cold, did a bunch of B-movie video that looks like your basic zombpocalypse opening credits sequence, and... Our media bought it.
And sold it.
Do you really believe this InfoWars level bullshit?Do you believe everything the media is telling you? Do you agree that a lot of contrary information/questions are being suppressed rather than simply answered or addressed?
How do you explain the other countries that are getting hit with a fast spreading, pretty nasty, respiratory disease? Has the PLA infiltrated Europe and Southwest Asia to stage more backing video?
Do you believe everything the media is telling you? Do you agree that a lot of contrary information/questions are being suppressed rather than simply answered or addressed?
I bring this stuff up as a discussion point. The infowars opinions mean little to me. I am just curious if some of the facts they bring up are true or not. I realize that sometimes they are right and sometimes it is heavily exaggerated if not untrue ...... sort of like the regular media.
I've been thinking about the reports that the SARS-2 or Covid-19 or whatever it's called virus has never actually been identified. I don't know if it's true or not.
If it is true it would explain why the tests are so inaccurate (if in fact the reports of their inaccuracy are true) and would explain why we don't know if having the virus or vaccine actually confers immunity (if in fact it's true that we don't know if immunity is conferred or for how long.) In writing this, I've realized why I haven't commented much on this situation; it's just too hard to make all these qualifications.
Also if it's true that the virus hasn't actually been isolated and identified, and if it's true that this is a man-made virus, the fact that it disintegrates in such a way to be essentially un-identifiable would be a great design.
I don't think I've ever written anything so "iffy" in my life. . . . .
I've been thinking about the reports that the SARS-2 or Covid-19 or whatever it's called virus has never actually been identified. I don't know if it's true or not.
If it is true it would explain why the tests are so inaccurate (if in fact the reports of their inaccuracy are true) and would explain why we don't know if having the virus or vaccine actually confers immunity (if in fact it's true that we don't know if immunity is conferred or for how long.) In writing this, I've realized why I haven't commented much on this situation; it's just too hard to make all these qualifications.
Also if it's true that the virus hasn't actually been isolated and identified, and if it's true that this is a man-made virus, the fact that it disintegrates in such a way to be essentially un-identifiable would be a great design.
I don't think I've ever written anything so "iffy" in my life. . . . .
There are some technical aspects of that terminology that have some specific meanings.
I think what hasn't happened is isolation AND purification.
This is technical stuff that is above my paygrade, not sure of the ramifications/meaning.
The whole covid-19 thing is rife with misinformation and propaganda all over the place.
Here is what I know,
1- there is a respiratory illness going around world
2- it started in China
3- politicians and partisans "weaponized" it (metaphorically) for their own purposes
4- governments instituted unscientific responses to the spread of the illness
5- the media monetized the illness for profit and partisan purposes
6- pharmaceutical companies monetized the illness for profit by rushing out questionable vaccines with government(s) encouragement and legal cover
7- the illness is running its course, like similar illness throughout history
You may ask why is a link on rising gas prices being put in this thread?
Well because of that pesty little virus
SCIENCE! Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm floats theory for why gas prices are rising fast
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/08/science-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm-floats-theory-for-why-gas-prices-are-rising-fast/
Here is what I know,
1- there is a respiratory illness going around world
2- it started in China
3- politicians and partisans "weaponized" it (metaphorically) for their own purposes
4- governments instituted unscientific responses to the spread of the illness
5- the media monetized the illness for profit and partisan purposes
6- pharmaceutical companies monetized the illness for profit by rushing out questionable vaccines with government(s) encouragement and legal cover
7- the illness is running its course, like similar illness throughout history
I've noticed a couple of revisions of "standard" tests recently. Some major study of body temps over the world indicated the new "normal" body temp was 97.8 or something like that instead of 98.6.
They've also dropped the alarm bell limits for blood pressure. Seems like for normal folks now it's below 120/x and I always thought normal was around 130/x, if my geriatric memory serves.
Why, that's a whole two-tenths of a PSI lower !
The "crisis" level seems to have been lowered, too.
Now, you wouldn't suspect the Medical Industry would have lowered these limits just to create more Business, would you? Naaaah.
That's geriatric paranoia talk, Terry.
:rofl:
SydeleyHawkins
@Sydeley_Hawkins
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May 8
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@ashishkjha
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@neal_katyal
then India must learn from US. Elect a sane person, death rates go wayyyy down
But India loves Modi
I already dread explaining to people that the new CDC guidance says to still wear masks at the clinics and hospitals.
I'm about as conservative as one can get. I do give credence to some of the more realistic conspiracies out there and I have suspicions of my own that some could describe as preposterous. I'll keep those to myself.I know people who have been hit hard by it. I think most know there is a reality beneath the politics. However, when politicians insert their agendas into things to take advantage of the crisis, disbelief and suspicion are natural results. It doesn't matter how real the issue is.
However, both my wife and I work within the medical profession and I can tell you without a shadow of any doubt Covid is real. We have seen many (many!) more people suffer and die of respiratory failure in 2020 and 2021 than any event some 20 years prior. More than many of the previous years combined.
It honestly chafes me when folks ape the views/opinions/suspicions of social media so-called experts claiming this is nothing more, or more severe, than the flu.
If it wasn't for HIPAA, I would love to share some of the horrors we've been seeing daily in the ICU units (and units turned into ad hoc ICU units) to dispel this absolute BS. In the years I've been in this profession, never have I seen influenza, gastroenteritis or pneumonia outbreaks have an impact even slightly similar to this. Where this ultimately came from or whether it was a mistake or intentional aside, this is something absolutely real and concerning.
On the bright side, the current numbers are a fraction of what they were and I'd like to think we're all but out of the woods. All the temporary Covid wings both at my primary employment and another hospital where I'm PRN, have closed. Both hospitals have ICU beds available.
I know people who have been hit hard by it. I think most know there is a reality beneath the politics. However, when politicians insert their agendas into things to take advantage of the crisis, disbelief and suspicion are natural results. It doesn't matter how real the issue is.Right.
I wore a mask in shops etc until I got my shots. Who knows if it did any good, but I never got sick. Now I don't wear it unless I am forced to.
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“As the masks go away, a lot of Americans are going to miss the ability to classify, shame, and despise one another at first sight.”
-novelist Walter Kirn
Get vaccinated or wear a mask until you do.
Are women allowed to remove their mask briefly to advance their career like you did?
Iowa is now mask freeShould have also banned masks. =)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/05/20/covidkim-trends-again-as-iowa-governor-reynolds-signs-face-mask-mandate-ban/?sh=64245b7f140d
Should have also banned masks. =)
She made it personal choice to mask or not.
Tell them you identify as masked
So I just got back from a maskless trip to the grocery store, same one I talked about in the post below...
Next up ... aliens!
Looks like they are ending the pandemic!That sort of thing makes me really wonder. Are they trying to get around the "pandemic hysteria" they helped create or trying to hide the possibility the vaccines might not be as effective as they promised?
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/caught-red-handed-cdc-changes-test-thresholds-virtually-eliminate-new-covid-cases-among
Next up ... aliens!
So I just got back from the Costco in Marysville, 45 miles north of Seattle. For the first time, I saw a sign at the entrance stating that firearms were prohibited except for law enforcement officers. Second, they has a mask optional if fully vaccinated sign. I would say that about 80% of the customers were wearing masks.
That sort of thing makes me really wonder. Are they trying to get around the "pandemic hysteria" they helped create or trying to hide the possibility the vaccines might not be as effective as they promised?
So friendface is apparently no longer censoring posts that point to the Wuhan lab as a virus source. It's nice how the big tech is able to tell me what to think and when to think it. So much easier not using my brain.
NBC Newshttps://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/29/punk-rock-concert-promoters-higher-ticket-price-for-unvaccinated-people-deemed-the-least-punk-thing-ever/
@NBCNews
A Florida concert promoter is charging $18 for tickets for an upcoming punk-rock concert to people who are vaccinated and $1,000 to those who are not.
Marjorie Taylor Greene (born May 27, 1974), also known by her initials MTG,[2] is an American politician, businesswoman, and far-right[3] conspiracy theorist[4] serving as the U.S. representative for Georgia's 14th congressional district.[5] A member of the Republican Party and a staunch supporter of Donald Trump, Greene was elected to Congress in November 2020 and sworn into office on January 3, 2021.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjorie_Taylor_Greene
Greene has supported disproven far-right conspiracy theories such as Pizzagate and QAnon,[6][7] as well as other unevidenced conspiracy theories including false flag shootings and 9/11 conspiracy theories.[8][9] Before running for Congress, she supported the execution of prominent Democratic politicians[10] and as a congresswoman equated the Democratic Party with Nazis.[11][12] Greene also supported Trump's efforts to overturn his loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election.
Protest held over Tenn. store’s ‘not vaccinated’ yellow star badges
https://www.wave3.com/2021/05/30/protest-held-over-tenn-stores-not-vaccinated-yellow-star-badges/
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:facepalm:
Somebody did not think this through.
She's not wrong. I sketched out a Jude star face mask early 2020.That was my thought as well. The whole business with vaccine passports and other crap was along the same lines. It wasn't racial or religious based, but similar political goals to isolate and ostracize a group they don't like.
I would say the goals of Liberal browbeating in the current times and Nazi ostracizing of Jews in the 30s and 40s were pretty different. Folks might want to tone that particular analogy back a bit.I have to agree with you again, knock it off.
I would say the goals of Liberal browbeating in the current times and Nazi ostracizing of Jews in the 30s and 40s were pretty different. Folks might want to tone that particular analogy back a bit.I don't think it is entirely the same, but it is similar leftist thinking. I question just how many people are actually for that sort of thing outside of the some leftist activists and media. Twitter and social media can magnify the voice of a few stupid people a lot more than is warranted. If they are able to actually come close to enacting stuff like that, then we can worry.
The Washington Post edited the headline of a 15 month old article regarding the virus being a lab leak from "debunked" to "fringe theory". These stealth editing changes of already published documents are some of what I hate most about modern journalism. It's bad enough editing a day later when you're called out, but 15 months back is literally changing history.
If all of the MSM is constantly doing this stealth editing thing, ten years from now people will be reading about how Tom Cotton was blaming a bat at a food market while the MSM uncovered the whole thing in the first month of the pandemic.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/06/01/washington-post-changes-its-15-month-old-headline-about-sen-tom-cottons-debunked-conspiracy-theory/
. It's bad enough editing a day later when you're called out, but 15 months back is literally changing history.
The Associated Presshttps://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/06/01/china-says-one-man-has-contracted-the-first-human-case-of-another-zoonotic-virus-but-dont-worry-because-the-risk-of-large-scale-transmission-is-low/
@AP
The Chinese government says a 41-year-old man has contracted what might be the world’s first human case of the H10N3 strain of bird flu, but that the risk of large-scale spread is low. China's National Health Commission said the man is in stable condition.
I would say the goals of Liberal browbeating in the current times and Nazi ostracizing of Jews in the 30s and 40s were pretty different. Folks might want to tone that particular analogy back a bit.
People who had mild COVID-19 have long-lasting antibody protection, according to a study by researchers from Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis.
Scientists found that individuals who have recovered from a mild case of COVID-19 have long-lived plasma cells in their bone marrow that secretes low levels of antibodies against the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus for possibly a lifetime.
Plasma cells are a type of white blood cells developed from B cells and originate from the bone marrow. They are responsible for producing and secreting antibodies to a specific antigen.
“Last fall, there were reports that antibodies wane quickly after infection with the virus that causes COVID-19, and mainstream media interpreted that to mean that immunity was not long-lived,” said Ali Ellebedy, senior author of the study and an associate professor of pathology & immunology at Washington University.
“But that’s a misinterpretation of the data. It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau. Here, we found antibody-producing cells in people 11 months after first symptoms. These cells will live and produce antibodies for the rest of people’s lives. That’s strong evidence for long-lasting immunity,” he added.
How about instead of a 6 point star use a 5 point red or white star. Similar symbolism with out quite the direct holocaust connection.
Anyone that isn't seeing the similarities between what the Nazis did to their "undesirables" and how the left is treating their "undesirables" (conservatives, Christians, White people, basically anyone that doesn't agree with them...) is either blind or willfully ignorant.
It's a vast difference in degree .... not so much in "kind."
So I just got back from the Costco in Marysville, 45 miles north of Seattle. For the first time, I saw a sign at the entrance stating that firearms were prohibited except for law enforcement officers. Second, they has a mask optional if fully vaccinated sign. I would say that about 80% of the customers were wearing masks.
How about instead of a 6 point star use a 5 point red or white star. Similar symbolism with out quite the direct holocaust connection.
Anyone that isn't seeing the similarities between what the Nazis did to their "undesirables" and how the left is treating their "undesirables" (conservatives, Christians, White people, basically anyone that doesn't agree with them...) is either blind or willfully ignorant.
You cannot invade the United States. There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass You will have to bankrupt it first.
You cannot invade the United States. There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass. You have to bankrupt it first.
As a hard of hearing person, it certainly makes my life more difficult trying to hear someone on the other side of the barrier.
As a not hard of hearing (though I have the old guy hearing going on) guy, I found it difficult to hear people behind masks and barriers. I'm sure I annoyed plenty of people with, "Speak up, sonny!" :laugh:
US Intelligence. The Secretary of State. Officials at NIH. Us Senators. A president - All crazy conspiracy theorists
Jon Stewart - *expletive deleted*it now we have to believe the lab leak.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1403394195402858497Over the weekend, there were posts with pictures/video of them shaking hands and standing close together after the showboating was over.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/06/15/lib-meltdown-imminent-jon-stewart-made-a-very-convincing-case-for-the-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-last-night-on-stephen-colberts-show/I don't usually agree with Jon Stewart, but he is a whole lot funnier than the rest of them.
I don't usually agree with Jon Stewart, but he is a whole lot funnier than the rest of them.
The Recounthttps://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/06/16/dr-anthony-fauci-who-deliberately-suppressed-lab-leak-theory-says-its-a-bit-of-a-distortion-to-say-that-we-deliberately-suppressed-lab-leak-theory-video/
@therecount
Dr. Fauci on COVID lab leak theory: “We’ve always said ‘keep an open mind and continue to look.’ So I think it’s a bit of a distortion to say that we deliberately suppressed that.”
Caleb Hull
@CalebJHull
Jen Psaki: We will be going door-to-door to Americans who have not been vaccinated
That will be a fun gig. I wonder who they will get to do that.
A-T-F
Hide your dogs.
I wonder if the feds will bring tattoo guns or some other form of identification to force on those refusing to be vaccinated?
What does HIPAA say about the govt pulling your med records to see if you're vaccinated or not?
She referred to it as an "outreach" program. She didn't say they'd be going to unvaccinated people's doors. Sounds like plain-old canvassing to me.
I strongly doubt there will be any sort of door to door enforcement at this point or near future.
The door to door thing sounds more like a way to give money to people and groups they want to give money to. Also a way to do campaigning and PR on the taxpayer dime.
That will just insure that most of the people who have not gotten the corona vaccine never will.
Kind of a harsh action to take for an illness with a 99+% (insert exact number here) survival rate. Especially when the survival rate for the vaccine is less than 100%.
So long as my name gets entered in the database as “Not Sure” I’m good with the tattoo.
She says' "targeted community by community door to door outreach to get remaining Americans vaccinated". That sounds like, or at the very least be interpreted, as knocking on doors to me.
It says they can: https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/guidance/disclosures-public-health-activities/index.html
Wouldn't surprise me to see blm/antifa being the chosen community action groups tasked with going door to door. Just make sure you've got an American flag on your house and they'll be too triggered to knock.
Yup. They're going to hire a bunch of temporary people at $30/hr from whatever special interest/racial/whatever groups they currently favor and those people will be going door to door with "educational materials". Probably not much different than when they do the census. I won't be surprised if half the people they hire just sit at home and collect the paycheck without ever going out knocking on doors.
Hey, it just dawned on me. This could simply be a way to find and recruit likely candidates willing to go door to door to do more than just promote and/or dispense a vaccine. Brownshirt wannabees for things like identifying and locating those unwilling to "go along." To locate those who might possibly have militant tendencies.
Too much is being done in the name of this overblown pandemic. It worries me. Makes me wary of just about everything coming out of the mouths of some congress critters, the WHO, the administration, suspect health officials and the health department. Business has suffered as a result. Dependence upon government has increased - even shoved down our throats with those "stimulus" payments.
Bread - soon to be followed by circuses. Goons masquerading as clowns. Disarmament. Actual threats from the President of the United States revealing his inner motives that are no longer masked by his failing facade.
Keep your head, stay alert, and keep your powder dry. Never surrender your arms. If you find this advice objectionable or unwarranted, go talk to a Holocaust survivor, or someone who escaped the old Soviet Union, or Castro's Cuba, or anyone lucky enough to survive a gun-free zone siege.
Woody
And still only about a tenth of the population have contracted it at all. So a 90% chance to not get it at all compounded with a 99.997% survival rate for my medical categories. There is no vaccine on the planet that can improve those numbers, the odds of a major negative reaction to the vaccine are substantially greater than the odds of infection and complication from infection.
Do you have a citation for the 1/10? I did some quick calculation a year ago, and figured we were way over 10% even then.
If you go by the Johns Hopkins Dashboard ( https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map ) as of June 20, 2021 there have been 33.7M confirmed cases in the US. the Census population clock says 332M people.
Close enough to 1 in 10 for government work.
And still only about a tenth of the population have contracted it at all. So a 90% chance to not get it at all compounded with a 99.997% survival rate for my medical categories. There is no vaccine on the planet that can improve those numbers, the odds of a major negative reaction to the vaccine are substantially greater than the odds of infection and complication from infection.
If you go by the Johns Hopkins Dashboard ( https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map ) as of June 20, 2021 there have been 33.7M confirmed cases in the US. the Census population clock says 332M people.
Close enough to 1 in 10 for government work.
Agreed if you only want to count confirmed cases, but CDC itself estimates that official counts are undercounted by a factor of 4.3, which seems reasonable to me, which makes 115 million infections in the US. That means about 43% of everyone in America already got infected, on a raw numbers basis.
Combine the fact that 40% of everyone already got it and are moderately immune (or dead), plus a huge chunk of those who didn't get it got the vaccine and are now strongly immune, and basically the pandemic is over.
Combine the fact that 40% of everyone already got it and are moderately immune (or dead), plus a huge chunk of those who didn't get it got the vaccine and are now strongly immune, and basically the pandemic is over.
I don't know the precedent, oh wait COVID is "unprecedented" so we have to use new rules...
You've heard of long COVID. Get ready for limp COVID:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-06/can-covid-19-cause-lasting-erectile-dysfunction
Depression and anxiety from the pandemic may contribute
I think that picture's from somewhere in the middle east, not the United States....
Leana Wen, M.D.https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/12/tyrants-gonna-tyrant-former-head-of-planned-parenthood-calls-for-mandatory-twice-weekly-covid-19-tests-for-those-who-arent-vaccinated/
@DrLeanaWen
Speaking soon with @AnaCabrera @CNNnewsroom: To increase #covid19 vaccinations, we need to make being vaccinated the easy choice and being unvaccinated the hard one.
There should be vaccine requirements at more workplaces (those opting out need, say, twice-weekly testing).
1:22 PM · Jul 7, 2021
Palmer Report
@PalmerReport
Leana Wen is correct. Unvaccinated right wingers are a threat to national security, and the only thing they understand is consequences. Force them to get constantly tested. Lock them out of public places. Force them to stat home by default. They’ll whine, but they’ll cave.
4:44 PM · Jul 11, 2021
TheAmishOnehttps://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/07/12/what-a-dolt-palmer-report-too-stupid-to-realize-his-attack-on-unvaccinated-right-wingers-is-actually-an-attack-on-black-communities/
@ThatAmish1
.@PalmerReport and @DrLeanaWen have both seen the polling that shows Blacks and Hispanics are disproportionally "vaccine hesitant" over "right wing whites", but they push this narrative so they can really let the progressive eugenics programs fly.
Natasha Korecki
@natashakorecki
NEW: Bidenworld is taking a more aggressive approach to combat vaccine fear-mongering by conservative forces.
That includes
– Calling on SMS carriers to mete out false messages
– urging social media platforms to fact-check
w/ @EugeneDaniels2
WTF???
But it's okay, it's not Trump
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‘Please tell me this is a typo’: Biden admin, DNC reportedly asking cell phone carriers to police TEXT MESSAGES for misinformation
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/07/12/please-tell-me-this-is-a-typo-biden-admin-dnc-reportedly-asking-cell-phone-carriers-to-police-text-messages-for-misinformation/
I thought this was interesting. One hundred vaccinated crewmen on a British aircraft carrier caught the covid. I don't know what the crew complement of a British aircraft carrier is - maybe 5000?They were all anti-vaxxers. The vaccine only works if you believe in it.
It's only a sample set of one, that might have caught a new variant (they are in the Indian Ocean, nothing in the story regarding onshore interactions). Still, interesting statistics from a "closed system".
https://www.foxnews.com/world/covid-19-infects-about-100-vaccinated-crewmembers-on-royal-navys-hms-queen-elizabeth-report
EDIT: I was way off on crew complement. I thought it would be similar to a US carrier. I just looked it up and it says ~700 with berths for 1600. So much higher percentage of vaccinated infected.
It's not polite to point out thatPondering any of these things might lead to cognitive dissonance and possibly bad think.
- masks don't stop the spread of covid-19
- social distancing doesn't stop the spread of covid-19
- lockdowns don't stop the spread of covid-19
- none of the vaccines inoculate you from contracting covid-19
It's not polite to point out thatnone of the vaccines inoculate you from contracting covid-19
- masks don't stop the spread of covid-19
- social distancing doesn't stop the spread of covid-19
- lockdowns don't stop the spread of covid-19
Pondering any of these things might lead to cognitive dissonance and possibly bad think.
Good post zach.Agreed. Good write up. =D
Good post zach.
The Biden admin (as per Psaki) is working with facebook to censor covid "disinformation".
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/07/15/actual-govt-censorship-jen-psaki-admits-wh-in-touch-with-big-tech-has-been-flagging-problematic-covid-posts-on-facebook/
POLITICOEuropehttps://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/15/member-of-facebooks-oversight-board-assures-us-that-free-speech-is-not-an-absolute-human-right/
@POLITICOEurope
“Free speech is not an absolute human right,” says Helle Thorning Schmidt, member of Facebook’s Oversight Board and former PM of Denmark. “It has to be balanced with other human rights.”
How does that translate to content moderation? It must strike a balance, find a middle.
Put your masks back on in LA
Los Angeles County will reimpose its indoor mask mandate this weekend regardless of your vaccination status
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/15/los-angeles-county-will-reimpose-its-indoor-mask-mandate-this-weekend-regardless-of-your-vaccination-status/
QuotePOLITICOEuropehttps://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/15/member-of-facebooks-oversight-board-assures-us-that-free-speech-is-not-an-absolute-human-right/
@POLITICOEurope
“Free speech is not an absolute human right,” says Helle Thorning Schmidt, member of Facebook’s Oversight Board and former PM of Denmark. “It has to be balanced with other human rights.”
How does that translate to content moderation? It must strike a balance, find a middle.
People like that are why our ancestors came here. Too bad many elitists here try to emulate European elitists.
Party like it's 1984
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/15/member-of-facebooks-oversight-board-assures-us-that-free-speech-is-not-an-absolute-human-right/
German mask study on carbon dioxide levels from masks retracted:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/93609?xid=NL_breakingnewsalert_2021-07-16&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MaskretractAlert_071621&utm_term=NL_Daily_Breaking_News_Active
https://www.dailywire.com/news/l-a-sheriff-says-indoor-mask-mandate-is-not-backed-by-science-and-his-defunded-department-wont-enforce-it?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
L.A. Sheriff Says Indoor Mask Mandate Is ‘Not Backed By Science’ And His ‘Defunded’ Department Won’t Enforce It
Butbutbutbutbutbut... You can't take away the senior hours! I never used them, but I want them! That's discrimination!
Damn you Delta variant! Get off your ass and infect more people!
Just got back from Costco, where I learned from the receipt checker on the way out that senior hours are being cut back to tue and thu starting next week. At first I was too vain to use them, but now I want them. Get moving on the infections, Delta!
Costco opts to continue senior shopping hours
https://www.wdrb.com/news/costco-opts-to-continue-senior-shopping-hours/article_e685c8fa-e9bc-11eb-86dd-5772964c07cf.html
Invermectin study being withdrawn from publication after concerns over plagiarism and data integrity:Thankfully there are quite a few Ivermectin studies out there.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93658?xid=nl_medpageexclusive_2021-07-22&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MPTExclusives_072221&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Medpage_Exclusives_Active
Studies | Prophylaxis | Early treatment | Late treatment | Patients | Authors | |
All studies | 60 | 85% [75-92%] | 74% [57-84%] | 43% [26-56%] | 21,838 | 574 |
With exclusions | 50 | 88% [75-94%] | 76% [66-83%] | 50% [28-65%] | 17,437 | 513 |
Peer-reviewed | 39 | 88% [70-95%] | 75% [59-84%] | 43% [21-59%] | 11,593 | 408 |
Randomized Controlled Trials | 30 | 84% [25-96%] | 67% [54-76%] | 30% [2-50%] | 5,206 | 358 |
Mortality results | 23 | 96% [41-100%] | 64% [15-85%] | 59% [35-74%] | 10,797 | 236 |
Butbutbutbutbutbut... You can't take away the senior hours! I never used them, but I want them! That's discrimination!
Less than 1% of the cost and more than triple the effectiveness.I’m sure money has nothing to do with a new, less effective, more risky drug like Remdesivir being an acceptable treatment and an off-patent, apparently moderately effective, very low risk drug like Ivermectin being labeled at every opportunity as a terrible idea.
Gov is hinting at masks again.
They aren't "hinting" any more. Look at what they have done in L.A. and this coming Monday in St. Louis.
Americans should be wearing N95 masks for greater protection against the highly contagious COVID-19 Delta variant, according to Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former head of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
Gottlieb told CBS News’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday that the quality of a mask matters in protecting against the strain, which was first identified in India in late 2020, and currently makes up approximately 83 percent of all new sequenced COVID-19 cases in the United States, according to federal officials.
“If you’re going to consider wearing a mask, the quality of the masks does matter,” he said. “So if you can get your hands on a KN95 mask or an N95 mask, that’s going to afford you a lot more protection.”
Experts say that medical-grade respirators such as N95 masks offer greater protection against more infectious strains of COVID-19, such as Delta, which is believed to be more transmissible than other versions. It is also now the dominant variant of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus worldwide.
Compared to more commonly worn surgical masks or cloth face coverings, when worn properly, N95s fit more closely to the face and provide at least 95 percent protection level against airborne viruses, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Meanwhile KN95s, which work similarly to N95 masks, are regulated by the Chinese government. They were authorized by the CDC as a suitable alternative for N95s due to shortages during the onset of the pandemic last year, although some have since raised concerns that the majority of non-certified KN95 masks from China do not meet U.S. standards for effectiveness.
Looked over at the car next to me about a week ago and the guy is wearing a face mask, full face shield, and covered in plastic, while driving
I've said it before; If it ain't got a HEPA filter in it, those masks are like surrounding your house with a chain link fence to keep out the mosquitoes. :old:
Woody
I think a chainlink fence would have at least slowed down the ones that were working me over this morning. The Deep woods Off i was using must be their favorite condiment.
Yeah, sometimes you gotta surround yourself with a ring of fire around here.
Woody
Last year we started fogging the community with a natural cedar oil spray that kills mosquitoes, ticks, fleas, and gnats. Three applications a summer, and it's also supposed to be bee safe.
It's made a HUGE difference. I can now walk Seren through the community without us being swarmed.
Interesting. Do you happen to know the product name? The county here is actually really good about running their fogger truck into the rural areas, and it even comes down my long driveway and does a lap around the house. They also send their ATV crews out twice a year to hit my pastures with some water activated granular stuff.
This year has been particularly bad though, and I've been using a fogger around the house with whatever the mosquito chemical that starts with a "P" is. Limited effectiveness and I hate spraying that much chemical. I wear a respirator, but I can still smell it on me afterwards.
For the later, was it Permethrin? That stuff is magic when applied to clothing. I've had pretty good luck with it as a barrier to keep insects out of the house.
https://www.domyown.com/permethrin-sfr-368-p-445.html
Yes, but I think I have some weak ass variety or something. I'm gonna order from your link and try that. I don't mind snortin' chemical if it's only once a month. That might work good around some wet areas in my pastures too. Thanks for the link!
Some people on twitter were joking that the mosquitoes are so thick at Boca Chica that when SpaceX lights the first full up super (30 raptors) it will smell like burnt mosquitoes down there for a while
That has always been true.
I used to work in Brownsville. That whole are is nothing but filled-in swamp. The mosquitos were never ending.
Looked over at the car next to me about a week ago and the guy is wearing a face mask, full face shield, and covered in plastic, while driving
Looked over at the car next to me about a week ago and the guy is wearing a face mask, full face shield, and covered in plastic, while driving
I recall early 2020 when theANDROMEDA STRAIN- - - - - - ooooops, covid19 pandemic was just starting seeing news clips of parents sending their kids to school all wrapped up, head to foot, in plastic garbage bags cut into a crude .... "biohazard" ( [tinfoil] ) suit.
The mask and face shield bother me less than the fist bumping. Just shake their damn hands. You are already touching them. It looks silly to me. You know damn well he will be using sanitizer immediately after and so will the people he met. If it is worth keeping distance and not touching, then do that.
BREAKING: L.A. Unified will require all students and employees to get tested for coronavirus weekly, regardless of vaccination status https://t.co/aux74Vplirhttps://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/29/los-angeles-unified-school-district-to-require-all-students-to-be-tested-for-covid-19-weekly-vaccinated-or-not/
— KTLA (@KTLA) July 29, 2021
The mask and face shield bother me less than the fist bumping. Just shake their damn hands. You are already touching them. It looks silly to me. You know damn well he will be using sanitizer immediately after and so will the people he met. If it is worth keeping distance and not touching, then do that.
A study by the CDC indicates 3/4 of people infected by the delta variant in a recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/)
A study by the CDC indicates 3/4 of people infected by the delta variant in a recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/)
A study by the CDC indicates 3/4 of people infected by the delta variant in a recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/)
Well then, to my point about Ptown, it was apparently "bear week" when this outbreak happened:(https://i.imgur.com/FWBPOo2.jpg)
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/a-gay-rights-activist-explains-why-the-cdcs-provincetown-study-may-be-fatally-flawed/
Funny tangent, I knew nothing about Ptown gays, nor "bears" until one year hot Ukrainian coworker and I were flying scientific missions out of Hyannis (or high anus as I called it). On a free weekend, her and the female aircraft commander talked me into going to Ptown, telling me about all the good eats, cool waterfront, etc. I said sure, sounds fun. They knew about Ptown, and that there was some gayzor gathering there that week. I was clueless and of course they didn't tell me as their little joke. What a freak show. It made those gay pride parades you see out of San Francisco look like an Amish prayer meeting.
“People keep saying our suggestions on masking are dumb and make no sense,” said CDC regulator Lyle Howell. “But that’s all of our suggestions on everything. We have to keep making recommendations, though, to justify our existence and get a budget. But no one listens to them—not even us. So can’t you all just go back to ignoring us and stop yelling at us? I’m just here until I get my pension.”
Fauci has promised the "Fauci Cut" coming soon, where he has total creative freedom to create the virus without the Chinese government editing his work so closely.
https://babylonbee.com/news/scientist-warns-of-new-supersize-double-mega-turbocharged-limited-edition-snyder-cut-covid-variant
Scientists Warn Of New Supersized Double Mega Limited Edition Teenage Mutant Ninja Snyder Cut COVID Variant With Frickin' Laser Cannons
As public health policymakers reduce the discussion of immunity to vaccination status, largely ignored are the complexities of the human immune system. There are multiple highly encouraging research reports showing that blood cells in our body, so called "B cells and T cells," contribute to the cellular immunity after COVID-19. If SARS-CoV-2 immunity is similar to other severe coronavirus infections like SARS-CoV-1 immunity, that protection could last at least 17 years. However, tests to measure cellular immunity are complex and expensive, making them hard to get and preventing their use in routine medical practice or in public health surveys of the population.
^^^I see they mentioned the limiting factor: an easy and cheap way to measure for immunity.
Well then, to my point about Ptown, it was apparently "bear week" when this outbreak happened:In the case of 2 ÷ 3, it can be seen that the next digit "down' will always be 6, and no need to explore that down to the billionth iteration.[/quote]
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/a-gay-rights-activist-explains-why-the-cdcs-provincetown-study-may-be-fatally-flawed/
Funny tangent, I knew nothing about Ptown gays, nor "bears" until one year hot Ukrainian coworker and I were flying scientific missions out of Hyannis (or high anus as I called it). On a free weekend, her and the female aircraft commander talked me into going to Ptown, telling me about all the good eats, cool waterfront, etc. I said sure, sounds fun. They knew about Ptown, and that there was some gayzor gathering there that week. I was clueless and of course they didn't tell me as their little joke. What a freak show. It made those gay pride parades you see out of San Francisco look like an Amish prayer meeting.
If you drop your wallet in Provincetown, kick it to Truro before you bend over to pick it up.
A cousin in Germany telegrammed me (at 0400, because he can't do math) that demonstrations are starting up there due to new and reinstated restrictions. Lots of demonstrator/cop interactions apparently.
https://www.epochtimes.de/politik/deutschland/corona-demonstration-polizeihelikopter-im-einsatz-wasserwerfer-stehen-bereit-a3566042.html
I did read that unlike here, they take covid recovery and natural immunity into account and are asking people for proof of vaccination OR proof of having had the virus.
What if you are one of those people who has neither been vaccinated NOR had the disease? Somebody who, for some reason, doesn't even GET this "disease"?
Probably stay the hell away from the vax, and enjoy NOT having all the stupid side effects of the disease itself or the vaccine. I remember when coffee was the most glorious smell ever. Now it just smells like sulfur. I still drink it, as I'm hopeless addicted to the stuff but the delightful smell is dead and gone.
That is sad.
Over 35 years ago, I was working in a place with lots of solvents and I used to be able to tell MEK from MIBK or xylene or toluene by the smell. As a result, I haven't been able to smell flowers or other mild/weak smells for over 20 years. Strong smells like gasoline, natural gas, wood smoke, "Pepe LePew", etc., I can smell. Even bacon that I am frying is a borderline smell. =(
That is sad.
Over 35 years ago, I was working in a place with lots of solvents and I used to be able to tell MEK from MIBK or xylene or toluene by the smell. As a result, I haven't been able to smell flowers or other mild/weak smells for over 20 years. Strong smells like gasoline, natural gas, wood smoke, "Pepe LePew", etc., I can smell. Even bacon that I am frying is a borderline smell. =(
Lindsey Graham has the 'rona ...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-lindsey-graham-tests-positive-covid-despite-vaccinated
"I am very glad I was vaccinated because without vaccination I am certain I would not feel as well as I do now," he continued. "My symptoms would be far worse."
How does he know that his symptoms would have been worse? Un-vaxxed people get the China flu and don't even know they have it.
Statements like that piss me off. They have no idea if what they're saying is true or not, they're just pushing an agenda.
I think it's generally considered true that if you're vaccinated and get a breakthrough infection it will likely be less serious than if you were unvaxxed. However, with regard to a particular individual, your point is certainly valid.Can you point me to the study that shows that?
IOW, customers are required to wear a mask, but are urged to do so.
My work just reinstated mask requirements indoors. Fun.
I'm really surprised that my company hasn't reissued the mask mandate out of an abundance of wokeness.
Can you point me to the study that shows that?
There is indirect evidence in the number of deaths that vaccines do work even if imperfectly.A big part of the drop in deaths compared to cases is that treatments have improved. A lot of treatments done initially were found to actually be counterproductive and resulted in much higher death rate.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/hospitals-health-systems-mandating-vaccines-for-workersjune17.html?origin=BHRE&utm_source=BHRE&utm_medium=email&utm_content=newsletter&oly_enc_id=7409B8471978I2B
Mandatory vaccinations for healthcare employees.
A big part of the drop in deaths compared to cases is that treatments have improved. A lot of treatments done initially were found to actually be counterproductive and resulted in much higher death rate.
Seriously, I'm sure improved treatments is part of the reason, but I still think vaccines are also a large part. I'm not going to start second guessing which has a greater effect.Vaccines have decreased the number of cases, but not the severity of breakthrough cases. If you've got an actual study that shows otherwise please let me know.
But otoh either the vaccines actually do something or covid 19 really IS THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN.Yes, the vaccine really does something, but not reduce the severity of breakthrough cases.
What is this, a graduate school level virologyy thesis?In general, vaccines are supposed to help your body prevent a viral infection in the first place by helping develop antibodies to attack the virus if it shows up. If the viral infection takes hold anyway, that preventative is not working. I don't see why the vaccine would then help with resulting symptoms. Is that something seen with other viruses?
I have no study that shows what you want, I have no study that says the sky is blue or that 2+2=4.
I'm sorry to commit an act of heresy, but I tend to actually believe the reporting that numbers and severity are going down. Haas study??? It doesn't do it? [tinfoil] Horrors!
I know nothing of it. I do seem to recall studies being advanced to show X, only to see them disputed by Y or then be withdrawn because of XYZ.
I'm not a scientist or Mr. Spock. I understand the media is full of cr@p.
But otoh either the vaccines actually do something or covid 19 really IS THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN.
Yes, the vaccine really does something, but not reduce the severity of breakthrough cases.
In general, vaccines are supposed to help your body prevent a viral infection in the first place by helping develop antibodies to attack the virus if it shows up. If the viral infection takes hold anyway, that preventative is not working. I don't see why the vaccine would then help with resulting symptoms. Is that something seen with other viruses?
Why then do many scientists or doctors claim it does? I can see cable TV myrmidons like Don Lemon talking through their hats, but people who do understand how these things work?Maybe they have studies that have not been made public. Maybe they have been misinformed. Maybe they see it as a white lie in service to the greater good.
Maybe they have studies that have not been made public. Maybe they have been misinformed. Maybe they see it as a white lie in service to the greater good.Good point. And that is one reason I never bothered to get a Flu vaccine. There was no guarantee the vaccines would work against what I got exposed to.
After all, the vaccine does provide protection against initial infection. If people hear about breakthrough infections - especially from variants that the vaccine is not as protective against they might feel that it isn't worth it. If they say that it is protective even if you do get infected then it gives people incentive to get the injection regardless.
As Fauci has admitted, scientists and doctors have been willing to lie to change the public's behavior in a way they feel is beneficial.
Good question.:laugh:
Perhaps the antibodies being produced aren't strong enough to tko the covid19 virus but can weaken it. It would be interesting to know if the people who have had break through infections have been immuno-compromised in any way.
I've heard of people getting repeat cases of covid19, and speculation about those people being immunocompromised in some way.
Dang. Now Cordex is going to ask me for a study .... :facepalm:
In general, vaccines are supposed to help your body prevent a viral infection in the first place by helping develop antibodies to attack the virus if it shows up. If the viral infection takes hold anyway, that preventative is not working. I don't see why the vaccine would then help with resulting symptoms. Is that something seen with other viruses?
Yeah, that squares with the "narrow and brief immunity" that I've heard attributed to the mRNA style vaccines.
I wonder if natural immunity is any better though. I sure hope so.
Yeah, that squares with the "narrow and brief immunity" that I've heard attributed to the mRNA style vaccines.
I wonder if natural immunity is any better though. I sure hope so.
I've seen several articles recently that stated natural immunity could last seventeen years or longer, and possibly for life. A quick search would likely turn them up.Those rely on experience with similar viruses, don't they? Hope that's indicative, but I think we're going to have to see if this one is different.
Those rely on experience with similar viruses, don't they? Hope that's indicative, but I think we're going to have to see if this one is different.
I posted the link to the peer reviewed paper on this, published in Nature. Might even be up a page or two in this thread.
The SARS/Covid1 natural antibodies are still going strong 17 years later, which was apparently the oldest sample they could get. The paper seemed to allude to the fact that 17 years is indicative of lifetime immunity.
There is much similarity in the relevant genetic structure of the two viruses (99% plus), and scientists are beginning to think that Covid-19 immunity might be long lasting as well.
AOC masks up for a photo op, removes it moments later while she mingles with the crowd.https://twitter.com/YALiberty/status/1422947938242805762?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F
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NEW: The city of McAllen, TX says the federal government has released over 7,000 COVID positive migrants into their city since February, including over 1,500 new infected migrants in just the *last week alone*. A local state of disaster in McAllen has been declared.
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This is what I got out of it too, and what I have also read elsewhere. It is why I am currently sticking to "no vaccine" for myself. I see no need to be injected with something that would give me less robust antibodies than I already have, plus I already dealt/am dealing with covid/long haul covid, so I don't want to add another variable.
If enough verifiable, different research comes out as time goes on, I will reevaluate as necessary.
Vaccines have decreased the number of cases, but not the severity of breakthrough cases. If you've got an actual study that shows otherwise please let me know.
I know lots of people are claiming that the vaccine cuts down on symptoms for breakthrough cases but I have yet to see any evidence of it. The oft-cited Haas et al does not show it.
In the new analysis, 3,975 participants completed weekly SARS-CoV-2 testing for 17 consecutive weeks (from December 13, 2020 to April 10, 2021) in eight U.S. locations. Participants self-collected nasal swabs that were laboratory tested for SARS-CoV-2, which is the virus that causes COVID-19. If the tests came back positive, the specimens were further tested to determine the amount of detectable virus in the nose (i.e., viral load) and the number of days that participants tested positive (i.e., viral shedding). Participants were followed over time and the data were analyzed according to vaccination status. To evaluate vaccine benefits, the study investigators accounted for the circulation of SARS-CoV-2 viruses in the area and how consistently participants used personal protective equipment (PPE) at work and in the community. Once fully vaccinated, participants’ risk of infection was reduced by 91 percent. After partial vaccination, participants’ risk of infection was reduced by 81 percent. These estimates included symptomatic and asymptomatic infections.
To determine whether COVID-19 illness was milder, study participants who became infected with SARS-CoV-2 were combined into a single group and compared to unvaccinated, infected participants. Several findings indicated that those who became infected after being fully or partially vaccinated were more likely to have a milder and shorter illness compared to those who were unvaccinated. For example, fully or partially vaccinated people who developed COVID-19 spent on average six fewer total days sick and two fewer days sick in bed. They also had about a 60 percent lower risk of developing symptoms, like fever or chills, compared to those who were unvaccinated. Some study participants infected with SARS-CoV-2 did not develop symptoms.
RESULTS
SARS-CoV-2 was detected in 204 participants (5%), of whom 5 were fully vaccinated (≥14 days after dose 2), 11 partially vaccinated (≥14 days after dose 1 and <14 days after dose 2), and 156 unvaccinated; the 32 participants with indeterminate vaccination status (<14 days after dose 1) were excluded. Adjusted vaccine effectiveness was 91% (95% confidence interval [CI], 76 to 97) with full vaccination and 81% (95% CI, 64 to 90) with partial vaccination. Among participants with SARS-CoV-2 infection, the mean viral RNA load was 40% lower (95% CI, 16 to 57) in partially or fully vaccinated participants than in unvaccinated participants. In addition, the risk of febrile symptoms was 58% lower (relative risk, 0.42; 95% CI, 0.18 to 0.98) and the duration of illness was shorter, with 2.3 fewer days spent sick in bed (95% CI, 0.8 to 3.7).
RESULTS
Among 1497 fully vaccinated health care workers for whom RT-PCR data were available, 39 SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections were documented. Neutralizing antibody titers in case patients during the peri-infection period were lower than those in matched uninfected controls (case-to-control ratio, 0.361; 95% confidence interval, 0.165 to 0.787). Higher peri-infection neutralizing antibody titers were associated with lower infectivity (higher Ct values). Most breakthrough cases were mild or asymptomatic, although 19% had persistent symptoms (>6 weeks). The B.1.1.7 (alpha) variant was found in 85% of samples tested. A total of 74% of case patients had a high viral load (Ct value, <30) at some point during their infection; however, of these patients, only 17 (59%) had a positive result on concurrent Ag-RDT. No secondary infections were documented.
These interim results of a living systematic review show that after completed course the EMA-approved COVID-19 vaccines have a VE of 80% to 90% in preventing SARS-CoV2 infections, including asymptomatic ones. We found some indication that VE estimates are not reduced in cases infected with variant of concern (VOC) Alpha (Phylogenetic Assignment of Named Global Outbreak (Pango) lineage designation B.1.1.7), however these results should be interpreted with caution. VE against infection can also be regarded as an indicator of how well a vaccine prevents transmission. In addition, studies suggest that persons who become SARS-CoV-2-positive despite vaccination had a shorter duration of virus shedding and lower viral load [8].
Results: Participants aged 80 years and older vaccinated with BNT162b2 before 4 January 2021 had a higher odds of testing positive for covid-19 in the first nine days after vaccination (odds ratio up to 1.48, 95% confidence interval 1.23 to 1.77), indicating that those initially targeted had a higher underlying risk of infection. Vaccine effectiveness was therefore compared with the baseline post-vaccination period. Vaccine effects were noted 10 to 13 days after vaccination, reaching a vaccine effectiveness of 70% (95% confidence interval 59% to 78%), then plateauing. From 14 days after the second dose a vaccination effectiveness of 89% (85% to 93%) was found compared with the increased baseline risk. Participants aged 70 years and older vaccinated from 4 January (when ChAdOx1-S delivery commenced) had a similar underlying risk of covid-19 to unvaccinated individuals. With BNT162b2, vaccine effectiveness reached 61% (51% to 69%) from 28 to 34 days after vaccination, then plateaued. With ChAdOx1-S, effects were seen from 14 to 20 days after vaccination, reaching an effectiveness of 60% (41% to 73%) from 28 to 34 days, increasing to 73% (27% to 90%) from day 35 onwards. On top of the protection against symptomatic disease, a further 43% (33% to 52%) reduced risk of emergency hospital admission and 51% (37% to 62%) reduced risk of death was observed in those who had received one dose of BNT162b2. Participants who had received one dose of ChAdOx1-S had a further 37% (3% to 59%) reduced risk of emergency hospital admission. Follow-up was insufficient to assess the effect of ChAdOx1-S on mortality. Combined with the effect against symptomatic disease, a single dose of either vaccine was about 80% effective at preventing admission to hospital with covid-19 and a single dose of BNT162b2 was 85% effective at preventing death with covid-19.
And this is the point - that vaccines are meant to prevent disease, not "lessen the severity".
For the last 70 years, the vaccines that I took as a child were meant to prevent. Those include both the Salk (killed injectable) and Sabin (live oral) polio vaccines, tuberculosis, smallpox, the "D/P/T" (diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus), and the one I never took as it was developed much later, the "MMR" (measles/mumps/rubella) vaccine. These all were designed to prevent all infection from these viruses, something this mRNA farce is incapable of doing.
CDC Release: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.htmlPretty sure these are actually the same study. At least when HEROES/RECOVER is mentioned they reference Thompson et al.
Different study from NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107058
Systemic review of vaccines among healthcare workers: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8284046/That references this study:
Effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines on covid-19 related symptoms, hospital admissions, and mortality in older adults in England: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33985964/As I read this, this is just comparing the effectiveness of two vaccines on a variant, not exploring whether breakthrough infections are less severe.
I want to know what is happening in China. You don’t lock a city down over 70 cases.
That's the thing - they started the kerfuffle as a cover for cremation of their Hong Kong protesters (which the left won't talk about, and the media ignores), and when they saw that the US actually believed it, and that it was turning into a perfect storm of propaganda, they cranked it up. The media pushed safety - perfect safety - as the goal, and portrayed a bug that mostly killed people with one foot already in the grave as being deadly to everyone. Because, gee... it was the perfect chance to get at Orange Man, who had to rely upon... bureaucrats.... Who saw their chance for even more power at the same time. The push for perfect safety allowed cover for massive alterations of the voting process, and quite likely some serious fraud. Nothing with central planning - just a bunch of people who thought, thanks to media, that they were Doing The Right Thing.
I want to know what is happening in China. You don’t lock a city down over 70 cases.
Uh... Maybe I need to hop in the wayback machine... I remember seeing the protests, and Hong Kong folks getting herded out afterward... And then a bit after that, China was releasing video of folks in moon suits scraping people off the streets and welding apartment buildings closed...
Here's the St. Louis City covid data page.
0.171% fatalities WITH the bug in the City since it started.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
I also found it interesting there were no "under age 40" victims listed until the new activist mayor got in office...
Uh... Maybe I need to hop in the wayback machine... I remember seeing the protests, and Hong Kong folks getting herded out afterward... And then a bit after that, China was releasing video of folks in moon suits scraping people off the streets and welding apartment buildings closed...
Overall population - after all this _is_ a very infectious bug, with somewhere around 90% of the people who contract it not displaying symptoms... I also know people who tested positive, multiple times, and kept going back, because they needed a negative for work... Along with the people who thought that getting tested was protective. STL City is a very urban area, and more than a few of the residents avail themselves of any free service at the drop of a hat.
When you look at a statistic that is based only upon people presenting for treatment/testing displaying enough symptoms to warrant the attention, then you have a VERY skewed final product. And there is a huge bias in how the data is accepted... For example, the Seattle-area nursing home where it first got noticed had 30% fatalities among the residents - one helluva headline, right? But they ignored that none of the 47 workers at the facility died... And were, in fact, also working at other facilities.
Still not seeing how you got .171 percent there? Especially when the official figures are pretty much consistent with the whole worlds death rate?Google says the total population is around 308,000. 549 is in the ballpark of 0.18% of that total. Not sure what numbers Bogie used.
Can you just break down the math from the St. Louis figures that gets you to .171?
Okay, apparently some people got it in their head that a treatment for horse worms will cure COVID
Doctor warns Ivermectin animal paste is dangerous for humans & doesn’t help COVID-19
https://www.wave3.com/2021/08/05/doctor-warns-ivermectin-animal-paste-is-dangerous-humans-doesnt-help-covid-19/
Okay, apparently some people got it in their head that a treatment for horse worms will cure COVID
Doctor warns Ivermectin animal paste is dangerous for humans & doesn’t help COVID-19
https://www.wave3.com/2021/08/05/doctor-warns-ivermectin-animal-paste-is-dangerous-humans-doesnt-help-covid-19/
CNN fired three employees who violated its Covid safety protocols by going to the office unvaccinated, the company said Thursday. It's one of the first known examples of a major U.S. corporation terminating workers for ignoring a workplace vaccine mandate. https://t.co/wgkh1Pwy9ihttps://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/05/heres-what-is-and-isnt-enough-to-get-cnn-to-fire-somebody/
— The New York Times (@nytimes) August 5, 2021
White House COVID-19 response coordinator Jeff Zients announces that Yelp will roll out feature allowing consumers to search for businesses that require fully vaccinated workers or proof of vaccination for entry. https://t.co/jjjmpFPssx pic.twitter.com/aqIvyYCEgMhttps://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/05/this-will-not-go-well-yelp-to-roll-out-feature-allowing-consumers-to-search-for-business-that-require-proof-of-vaccination-for-entry/
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) August 5, 2021
People who have recovered from COVID-19 retain broad and effective longer-term immunity to the disease, according to a new study.
Findings of the study, which is the most comprehensive of its kind so far, have implications for expanding understanding about human immune memory as well as future vaccine development for coronaviruses.
For the longitudinal study in Cell Reports Medicine, researchers looked at 254 patients with mostly mild to moderate symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection over a period of more than eight months (250 days) and found that their immune response to the virus remained durable and strong.
The findings are reassuring, especially given early reports during the pandemic that protective neutralizing antibodies didn’t last in COVID-19 patients, said Rafi Ahmed, director of the Emory University Vaccine Center and a lead author of the paper.
“The study serves as a framework to define and predict long-lived immunity to SARS-CoV-2 after natural infection. We also saw indications in this phase that natural immunity could continue to persist,” Ahmed said.
The research team will continue to evaluate this cohort over the next few years.
The researchers found that not only did the immune response increase with disease severity but also with each decade of age regardless of disease severity, suggesting that there are additional unknown factors influencing age-related differences in COVID-19 responses.
To reach these young people, the White House has enlisted an eclectic army of more than 50 Twitch streamers, YouTubers, TikTokers and the 18-year-old pop star Olivia Rodrigo, all of them with enormous online audiences. State and local governments have begun similar campaigns, in some cases paying “local micro influencers” — those with 5,000 to 100,000 followers — up to $1,000 a month to promote Covid-19 vaccines to their fans.
WASHINGTON — More than 18 percent of migrant families and 20 percent of unaccompanied minors who recently crossed the U.S. border tested positive for Covid on leaving Border Patrol custody over the past two to three weeks, according to a document prepared this week for a Thursday briefing with President Joe Biden.
Some flights scheduled to deport migrants had more than 25 percent of passengers test positive before departure, leading Immigration and Customs Enforcement to remove those migrants from the flights for quarantine in the U.S., according to the document.
The Department of Homeland Security document does not give precise dates or say how many migrants were tested.
Migrants are not tested for Covid in Border Patrol custody unless they show symptoms, but all are tested when they leave Border Patrol custody, according to DHS officials. Immigrants who are allowed to stay in the U.S. to claim asylum are given tests when they are transferred to ICE, Health and Human Services or non-governmental organizations. Deportees who are scheduled to be put on planes out of the U.S. are tested for Covid and other infectious diseases by ICE.
18% of illegal alien families released by Border Patrol have tested positive for COVID:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/18-percent-migrant-families-leaving-border-patrol-custody-tested-positive-n1276244
What percentage of the U.S. population has tested positive for COVID? It's less than 2%, isn't it?
Here's what the MSM has to say (and deflect) about that:I wonder if the total Texas cases include illegals tested and released at the border.
https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1424705970366734347
https://twitter.com/i/status/1424718436899360775
This weekend I saw a pair of street preachers with signs declaring the Covid vaccine to be the mark of the beast. [tinfoil]
At first I thought this was just some rando, but apparently it's part of a series of videos from the White House PR dept to promote vaccination.
As the comments suggest, if the WH is blaming conservatives for not getting vaccinated, they may have wanted to go in another direction. This will have the opposite effect on most conservatives.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/09/cringe-alert-will-this-latest-video-from-the-white-house-convince-many-people-to-get-vaccinated/
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The findings are reassuring, especially given early reports during the pandemic that protective neutralizing antibodies didn’t last in COVID-19 patients, said Rafi Ahmed, director of the Emory University Vaccine Center and a lead author of the paper.
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What in the actual *expletive deleted*ck was that? Tell me that was some kind of parody and not an actual release from the government. :rofl:I heard someone say that might be an actual assistant to Jen Psaki (press secretary).
:facepalm:
Meanwhile, in France, people are walking around with QR codes for cops and businesses to scan. Not to be all over the top, but watching the videos of that QR scanning really reminds me of "mark of the beast".The uniforms are different, but you could cut in just about any movie footage of WWII in Nazi territory where they were stopping people to check their papers and travel passes. I guess I will likely see that soon if youtube and others don't block it.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/10/papers-please-armed-police-officers-begin-enforcing-vaccine-passport-rules-in-paris/
What in the actual *expletive deleted*ck was that? Tell me that was some kind of parody and not an actual release from the government. :rofl:
:facepalm:
If your last name is Obama, you are immune to the virus and also can't be a carrier. Otherwise the MSM would be all over this [trump] wouldn't they?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mainstream-media-silent-obama-dances-maskless-crowded-tent
Oregon Gov. Kate Brown (D) announced on Tuesday that she will reimpose a statewide mandate for masks to be worn in all indoor public settings to address a surge in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations driven by the delta variant.
I don't like any of youtube's "curating", but when they do it to media people for making opinion statements or hearsay, even though they only seem to do so for certain views, that's one thing. When they start "curating" PEER REVIEWED stuff, that's outright thought control.
Several of us in this thread have posted links to peer reviewed research, with the various links often contradicting each other, but that's what science is all about. Various researchers arrive at different conclusions, so you discuss and continue research. Once you start censoring and "disappearing" vetted research, not only are you being totalitarian, you're actually crushing the scientific method.
Rand Paul has been suspended from youtube for "misinformation". The "misinformation" was a quote directly from peer reviewed, published research that indicated cloth masks were ineffective.
I don't like any of youtube's "curating", but when they do it to media people for making opinion statements or hearsay, even though they only seem to do so for certain views, that's one thing. When they start "curating" PEER REVIEWED stuff, that's outright thought control.
Several of us in this thread have posted links to peer reviewed research, with the various links often contradicting each other, but that's what science is all about. Various researchers arrive at different conclusions, so you discuss and continue research. Once you start censoring and "disappearing" vetted research, not only are you being totalitarian, you're actually crushing the scientific method.
Looks like Oregon is going back to mandatory indoor masking:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/oregon-governor-to-reimpose-statewide-indoor-mask-mandate_3942984.html
I guess I'll be fighting traffic and driving in the Boise direction for a while to shop instead of going Oregon-way.
Guy on another forum posted he just got a call from school, his kid is refusing to wear a mask. This should be fun.
“Our observational study suggests that while both mRNA COVID-19 vaccines strongly protect against infection and severe disease, there are differences in their real-world effectiveness relative to each other and relative to prior months of the pandemic. Larger studies with more diverse populations are warranted to guide critical pending public and global health decisions, such as the optimal timing for booster doses and which vaccines should be administered to individuals who have not yet received one dose,” they wrote.
Son in law has tested positive for the kung-flu. Pretty much experiencing just moderate cold/flu symptoms. His work required him to get tested because he was sick.
Wife and I have both been sick with mild to moderate cold and flu symptoms for 2 weeks now but are on the mend now, we did not submit for testing. The daughter has been in and out at our house during this time.
Fair chance we had it but there has been some sort of RSV bug going around as well.
Is it possible that, like the mumps and the flu, I am already "naturally immune"?
The "case" curve this year seems to be almost identical to last summer about this time.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boise-police-arrested-a-man-for-not-wearing-mask-in-costco-now-he-wants-4-5-million/
Police arrived and arrested Hearn, with Hearn noting that other shoppers were cheering as police took him away.Do you think that was because they like masks or because of his behavior?
Here's St. Louis City's page. The overall case graph looks remarkably like last summer's... You'll need to scroll down a bit, and reset it from "90 days" to "full range."
The data is there, but they damn sure don't make it easy to see.
Death total went up by one yesterday.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
In their incident report, police said they arrested Hearn after he refused to show them identification and he was later taken to Ada County Jail due to a previous trespassing incident.
Sounds like he was jailed because he was violating a trespass order. Males sense,especially if he was not being cooperative with the POlice.
bob
People buying fake vaccination cards off the internet. Who didn't see that coming?
Fines, 5 years in prison possible for those using fake COVID-19 vaccination cards
https://www.wfla.com/news/fines-5-years-in-prison-possible-for-those-using-fake-covid-19-vaccination-cards/
Five years in prison. While people who commit violent felonies get cut loose to commit murders a few days later. While antifa and blm burn and loot with no consequences. While urban yutes run wild shoplifting with zero consequences.
Between covid unjust laws and what's happening to the 06JAN people, while other groups have carte blanche to commit crime and mayhem, how does it not look like the US is dying?
JUST IN – Biden admin is discussing mandating #COVID19 vaccines for interstate travel, but worried that it would be too polarizing "for the moment" (AP)
— Disclose.tv 🚨 (@disclosetv) August 13, 2021
From @AP: Biden is considering “mandating vaccines for interstate travel."https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/13/biden-admin-reportedly-considering-vaccine-passports-for-interstate-travel-but-not-for-entering-the-country-illegally/
At the same time, he's releasing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants into the U.S. every month. pic.twitter.com/elkJqzjznS
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) August 13, 2021
Two men who flew into Hawaii recently were taken into custody upon landing for allegedly using fake COVID-19 vaccination cards, authorities said.
Norbert Chung, 57 and Trevor Chung, 19, were arrested on Aug. 8 at Daniel K. Inouye Airport in Honolulu, the Hawaii Department of the Attorney General said in a statement to news outlets.
The Chungs are accused of violating Hawaii’s Safe Travels Program, which forces visitors from the mainland to quarantine for 10 days unless they present proof of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test.
The pair was arrested after authorities received a tip they were using fake vaccination cards, according to the state Department of the Attorney General.
“Attorney General investigators are committed to ensuring all such leads are investigated and thank the community for their assistance and support,” the department said in its statement. “Along those lines, the Department of the Attorney General will investigate and prosecute those who cheat the Safe Travels program, which was established to keep our islands safe.”
The Chungs were arraigned on Aug. 10. They could be fined up to $5,000 and sent to jail for up to a year if convicted.
Regarding the fake vaccine cards, Hawaii just arrested a couple of people for using them. I see they were arrested after LE got a "tip". Lately, I'm seeing a whole lot of people dropping a dime on other people, often their neighbors, friends, or family. We're really creating something here.I imagine a lot of people 1) talk to much and 2) don't really know who their friends are.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/two-hawaii-tourists-arrested-for-allegedly-using-fake-covid-19-vaccination-cards_3948748.html
I imagine a lot of people 1) talk to much and 2) don't really know who their friends are.
Three can keep a secret, if two are dead.
Note this is Bloomberg, not Fox or anybody on the right.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/17/a-never-ending-nightmare-new-zealand-implements-new-nationwide-lockdown-over-one-covid-19-case/
The time to lock down is when there is one case - that’s how you get back to zero. That’s what NZ is doing and it’s a proven method of eliminating COVID. Waiting until you have thousands of cases makes lockdowns less likely to actually succeed.Where is it proven?
The other video you posted is an inspection of someone who is quarantined - it’s not illegal to get fresh air. If you’re subject to quarantine it means you tested positive for Covid or are a close contact of someone who did, and that means you’re required to stay at home to not infect other people. That’s a reasonable thing to do even in America; it’s just taken more seriously in Australia on account of the relatively low rate of infection as compared to the US.
Where is it proven?
I seems the problem is... covid is never going away. Is NZ going to shut their whole country down every time it pops up again for eternity?More Govt power appears to be the answer. Another problem that Govt is the cause of and the answer to.
What is the end game for New Zealand?
The time to lock down is when there is one case - that’s how you get back to zero. That’s what NZ is doing and it’s a proven method of eliminating COVID. Waiting until you have thousands of cases makes lockdowns less likely to actually succeed.
The other video you posted is an inspection of someone who is quarantined - it’s not illegal to get fresh air. If you’re subject to quarantine it means you tested positive for Covid or are a close contact of someone who did, and that means you’re required to stay at home to not infect other people. That’s a reasonable thing to do even in America; it’s just taken more seriously in Australia on account of the relatively low rate of infection as compared to the US.
It will always be here in the environment. Here, there, everywhere. In Russia, China, America, and Austealia.
Everywhere.
^^^If anything good comes from COVID, I hope it is better knowledge of how to address the next infectious disease epidemic that comes along.
I don't think we'll get that. But I think mRNA vaccines might be a very good thing -- like a cure for certain types of cancer good. They could also be dangerous; powerful tools usually are.At the very least, half the population is now a test bed for them so we are very likely to see any issues if the information doesn't get buried.
^^^If anything good comes from COVID, I hope it is better knowledge of how to address the next infectious disease epidemic that comes along.Yes. Because we will always have more arrogant govt bureaucrats running labs that create more of them. =D
I seems the problem is... covid is never going away. Is NZ going to shut their whole country down every time it pops up again for eternity?
What is the end game for New Zealand?
WE WILL NEVER be back to ZERO COVID.
It will always be here in the environment. Here, there, everywhere. In Russia, China, America, and Austealia.
Everywhere.
The Aussies have gone stark raving nuts in their attempts to achieve the IMPOSSIBLE. No talking to neighbors .... masks on while drinking :O (how does that work? ?) and using the military to enforce lockdown.
It would almost be understandable if this was THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN, a fictional alien microscopic bug brought to earth in a satellite in a novel by Michael Crighten that was made into a movie in 1971. That was science fiction.
What one might not remember from the movie, (if you ever did even watch it) is in the few minutes between initial infection with Andromeda and certain death, it drove the afflicted insane.
As I said, that was science fiction. It wasn't real. Thank God.
Covid 19 is real, of course, but nowhere near as fatal, even the D strain. But it is sorta like Crighton's mythical microscopic monster in one way:IT IS DRIVING EVERYONE INSANE ......
And...
It is not magical.
A lot of people don't catch it.
About 95% of the people who catch it don't notice it.
Of that, about 95% of the people who notice it are okay with Nyquil and Sweet Oblivion until it blows over.
Some of them think that it is bad enough to go to their doctor - maybe 5%. Most of them get told to go home and take Nyquil. Some of them get admitted to hospitals.
If they are lucky, they get high-flow 02 via CPAP.
If they get vents, they are in trouble - mostly because vents suck.
Some of the rest, primarily terminally ill geriatrics, won't make it.
Which is pretty much the case for the past few decades.
Early in, and I've seen it a bunch of times since, starting with the Chinese... 95% of the people are either immune, or just don't have symptoms. Not all of the folks who notice things present for treatment. Of the presented cases, only about 5% are serious. And that was back when they were stick folks on vents regardless.
Here in St. Louis, after about 18 months, we're looking at an overall fatality rate of 0.17% - mostly from long-term-care, SNFs and hospices...
First off, some countries do substantially live with no COVID. Not every country in the world failed to control it like the US, and not every public health system is as incapable of control. On the numbers it does look like failure to stop Covid is inevitable in the US, but countries with more advanced public health systems need not give up and accept that they’ll always have Covid.Which countries? Did they actually do testing to confirm no COVID?
In terms of ongoing control measures, food safety, agricultural quarantine, and medical hygiene all
cost huge amounts of money and time. Should we give them up because food poisoning still happens, because farms still get coronavirus and other outbreaks, and because infections still
Happen in hospital? Does that make all investment in controlling those infections a waste? And if not, why is COVID special in being allowed to run uncontrolled?
First off, some countries do substantially live with no COVID. Not every country in the world failed to control it like the US, and not every public health system is as incapable of control. On the numbers it does look like failure to stop Covid is inevitable in the US, but countries with more advanced public health systems need not give up and accept that they’ll always have Covid.
In terms of ongoing control measures, food safety, agricultural quarantine, and medical hygiene all
cost huge amounts of money and time. Should we give them up because food poisoning still happens, because farms still get coronavirus and other outbreaks, and because infections still
Happen in hospital? Does that make all investment in controlling those infections a waste? And if not, why is COVID special in being allowed to run uncontrolled?
Looking at much of the numbers around the covids, I see something akin to this...
"25 people were shot in St. Louis last week, with 5 of them dying. If you live in St. Louis, you have a 20% chance of being murdered!!!!!!"
And in other news, low-price on tires for my van has gone from $60 to $75 in the past month.
Tires probably need their own inflation thread. I have 265/70/18's on my truck and want to go to something all season, all terrain in the 35" tall range. that's like $250-$300 each. When I fist started looking a year ago it was more like low $200's per tire.
Tires probably need their own inflation thread. I have 265/70/18's on my truck and want to go to something all season, all terrain in the 35" tall range. that's like $250-$300 each. When I fist started looking a year ago it was more like low $200's per tire.
Nice pun.
Do you prefer just compressed air, or N2?
Which countries? Did they actually do testing to confirm no COVID?
What countries have "zero covid?" Has it been confirmed by tests? I can see isolated countries being relatively covid free. But Japan is an island nation and is beset by covid problems, Australia, also an island nation, as I said, goes crazy on lockdowns for cases that could be counted on one hand.
If the U. S. "failed" to control covid, it seems much of the world did as well. And, no, covid is not being allowed to run uncontrolled, :facepalm: it is simply nearly impossible to really control.
Investments in controlling infections are not a waste, but most infections in hospitals are not the results of pandemics, they happen because there are sick people in hospitals, which happens because that's where sick people go for medical help.
As for countries that did not "fail to control it like the U. S.," just how did they achieve this miracle? How do these "more advanced public health systems" :rofl: plan to totally eradicate covid? ? ? The Spanish Flu bug is still around, and even the Bubonic Plague pathogen is still out there. As I said before, THERE WILL NEVER BE "ZERO COVID" AGAIN ON PLANET EARTH. Some isolated mysterious countries (like Shangri-La, for example) might escape for awhile so long as they can shut down vectors 100%, but in reality I don't think that will last.
Looking at much of the numbers around the covids, I see something akin to this...
"25 people were shot in St. Louis last week, with 5 of them dying. If you live in St. Louis, you have a 20% chance of being murdered!!!!!!"
"25 people were shot in St. Louis last week, with 5 of them dying. If you live in St. Louis, you have a 20% chance of being murdered!!!!!!"
The countries that have had long periods of no Covid while remaining open did so with effective quarantine and lockdown responses. Again, you can keep repeating it but both NZ and Australia have spent most of the past year fully open domestically, and with zero Covid. It’s not a fantasy.
Both Australia and New Zealand have had covid19 cases. Even one case is NOT zero covid.
It is pretty easy to isolate New Zealand and probably not much harder to isolate Australia. It is impossible to isolate America.
And I would hardly call the extreme measures Australia is using, employing military to keep people inside, banning talking to neighbors, forcing masking while drinking, being "fully open domestically."
You live in a fantasy-land called "Oz" for sure ......
Most of the past year the country has been fully open and also had no community transmission of covid. Lockdown measures (which are not what you’re describing) have been temporary to address short term outbreaks and bring cases back down to , and have done so successfully.
Comparing NZ to the USA, particularly with the open borders invasion of Covid positive illegals seems sort of silly.
Australia has been open? No proof of vaccination or any other proof of health?
Folks could just walk in?
Open as in businesses running, people having beers and travelling wherever. Quarantine at international borders is an important part of that. Lock downs to respond to outbreaks are also why life has been that way.
St. Louis City has had over 1,100 people hospitalized in the past two weeks. The average number in hospitals is a bit over 500.
I figure that a lot of folks are hearing "We're gonna keep you overnight, maybe a day or so, for observation."
And I figure that there's money in that.
Officials in Orlando are pushing residents to limit water use because of a rise in hospitalizations with COVID-19.
The issue stems from liquid oxygen, which is used to treat many of the critically ill COVID-19 patients.
The same type of oxygen is used by the Orlando Utilities Commission (OUC) to sanitize water so residents can drink it.
The commission is now urging residents to limit watering their lawns, washing their cars, and time in the shower.
The goal is to cut water usage in the city, Florida’s fourth-largest, by between 25 and 50 percent of what is normally used on a daily basis.
OUC typically pumps about 90 million gallons per day. The goal is not to exceed 50 million gallons per day, as long as liquid oxygen remains in short supply.
Seems like things in Australia aren't quite as peachy as portrayed.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=australia+protests&atb=v252-1&ia=web
Seems like things in Australia aren't quite as peachy as portrayed.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=australia+protests&atb=v252-1&ia=web
I just talked to a friend in Sydney, curfews and lockdowns - despite near universal vaxx and mask compliance. she's very angry
Because some people are protesting lock downs? The current outbreak got to where it is because where it started, the authorities chose not to have a lockdown. Now a longer one is looming to get back to zero and some people are unhappy about that.
Only about a third of Australians aged 16 and above have been fully vaccinated, according to federal health ministry data released on Saturday.
You will never have zero, just like we don't see zero cases of the flu or common cold.
From the CNBC article:
In the US, where we are "handling it badly", 48% are fully vaccinated.
No part of Australia is anywhere near universal vaccination, and Sydney’s failure to lock down early is why they have the all time high for daily cases in the pandemic.
Except, for almost a year we have had mostly zero.
:rofl:
"some people protesting" deselby.
"some people did some things" ilhan omar.
"failure to lock down early" hahahhahhahhah - you know, if they kill everyone the virus goes away too hahahahahah
its endemic bro, the rona is here to stay. learn to be healthy.
That's not zero. Call me when no covid outbreaks occur for 100 years. AFAIK, there were no cases of the flu around here all last week. Hurray! We have the flu licked!
There's nothing wrong with not having zero cases of a virus.
Okay so having zero Covid transmission domestically, and all cases arriving from overseas is not zero Covid. That’s a bit silly for a standard - it’s like saying the US hasn’t eradicated malaria because it still exists in tropical countries and it hasn’t been 100 years since no cases in the US.
Having only Covid coming from overseas is a success in Covid management. That’s what our current lock downs will return us to.
The comparison to the USA, with hundreds of thousands dead and millions with lifelong complications speaks for itself. There’s no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public health system.
Okay so having zero Covid transmission domestically, and all cases arriving from overseas is not zero Covid. That’s a bit silly for a standard - it’s like saying the US hasn’t eradicated malaria because it still exists in tropical countries and it hasn’t been 100 years since no cases in the US. 1.
Having only Covid coming from overseas is a success in Covid management. That’s what our current lock downs will return us to. 2.
The comparison to the USA, with hundreds of thousands dead and millions with lifelong complications speaks for itself. There’s no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public health system. 3.
I believe in lockdowns, lockdown the borders to all immigration type of lockdown. Doesn't have to be permanent. Testing and quarantine for all visitors. Actually if they want to mandate vaccination status for visitors I couldn't care less. The problem is vaccines look to be losing their "punch". Testing and quarantine might end up being a better option.
1. ALL covid19 came from somewhere else - - - unless you're in Wuhan China.
2. It's not success, it's risk. The only possible way not to have that risk is to completely ban entries into Australia.
3. We have had 600,000+ deaths. I don't know where you get "millions with lifelong complications," which are rare but do exist. America is much larger than Australia and New Zealand combined so, yes, we're gonna have more problems, especially as our current dysfunctional president has allowed our southern border to be effectively wide open and the "D" variant is very transmissable compared to the early version.
Your snark that "there's no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public healthcare system" is just plain nasty.
IT'S A PANDEMIC!!!!
Plenty of other countries have suffered a lot of infections and deaths as well. Italy, India, England.
Take your vile remarks and *********
There are a handful of advantages to a totalitarian society and there are risks associated with a non-totalitarian society.
Personally, I'll take the risks.
Yup.
Funny (well, sort of), I've been watching a bunch of Russian travel videos lately, and a country that we have historically viewed as somewhat totalitarian, seems to be pretty much wide open with few restrictions. More so than the USA.
Okay so having zero Covid transmission domestically, and all cases arriving from overseas is not zero Covid. That’s a bit silly for a standard - it’s like saying the US hasn’t eradicated malaria because it still exists in tropical countries and it hasn’t been 100 years since no cases in the US.
Having only Covid coming from overseas is a success in Covid management. That’s what our current lock downs will return us to.
The comparison to the USA, with hundreds of thousands dead and millions with lifelong complications speaks for itself. There’s no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public health system.
Never mind lockdowns and killing small businesses, this will turn the public against you right quick:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-nsw-council-shoots-shelter-dogs-over-infection-fears/5B3ZYZ35BPVEGWQNQXOHMG5HL4/
That's not sane.
1. ALL covid19 came from somewhere else - - - unless you're in Wuhan China.
2. It's not success, it's risk. The only possible way not to have that risk is to completely ban entries into Australia.
3. We have had 600,000+ deaths. I don't know where you get "millions with lifelong complications," which are rare but do exist. America is much larger than Australia and New Zealand combined so, yes, we're gonna have more problems, especially as our current dysfunctional president has allowed our southern border to be effectively wide open and the "D" variant is very transmissable compared to the early version.
Your snark that "there's no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public healthcare system" is just plain nasty.
IT'S A PANDEMIC!!!!
Plenty of other countries have suffered a lot of infections and deaths as well. Italy, India, England.
Take your vile remarks and *********
Reminds me of that episode of Chernobyl where they're shooting the animals
Horrifying as that was, it was really somewhat merciful as otherwise most would have starved to death. The people were forced to leave them behind when they evacuated, and there wasn’t nearly enough food for them. Plus the radiation.
The Aussie killing of shelter dogs that were otherwise being well cared for just because they wanted to stop people traveling is pure evil.
This "sane". What is "sane? "
Please explain, and give examples from current affairs.
Sorry, but pointing out that across two administrations no effective response to COVID has been mounted in the US is not snark. You can repeat that it’s inevitable as many times as you want, but that is demonstrably untrue evidenced by places that did respond effectively to the pandemic.
Horrifying as that was, it was really somewhat merciful as otherwise most would have starved to death. The people were forced to leave them behind when they evacuated, and there wasn’t nearly enough food for them. Plus the radiation.
The Aussie killing of shelter dogs that were otherwise being well cared for just because they wanted to stop people traveling is pure evil.
And you can point out all the little isolated places in the middle of an ocean that have had no problems all you want to but you have yet to inform us how a country the size of America can avoid a world wide pandemic.
I'd say that getting three vaccines ready inside of a year is a pretty darn good response to a major pandemic. How many vaccines did Australia make?
Zero. Nada. Zip. Ziltch. And what % of Aussies are vaccinated? [popcorn]
As for isolated places, the island nation of Tonga has true ZERO COVID. No Covid 19 cases. Of course it's a really small island few people ever even heard of.
I've never heard of it before now.
The more isolated the local is, the easier it is to keep outTHE ANDROMEDA STRAIN- - - - - oooops, covid 19 ... or any similar major respiratory pandemic.
The United States of America is the flip side of Tonga; NOT isolated. I wish it was.
Do you rag on Italy, India, England, or other countries that have suffered with covid 19 as harshly as you do America?
Or are you just laser-beam focused on America?
ALERT: New super variant named “Covid-22” could be more dangerous than Delta strain, expert warnedhttps://t.co/uChKwKTyFv
— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) August 23, 2021
“Professor Doctor Sai Reddy of the federal technology institute ETH Zurich, an immunologist, believes that combination of existing strains could result in a new and more dangerous phase of the pandemic,” the paper reports. In other words, COVID-22 doesn’t exist yet and might not ever exist.https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/23/here-we-go-again-expert-warns-of-a-new-super-variant-dubbed-covid-22-that-could-be-more-dangerous-than-delta/
Never too early to start a panic
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/23/here-we-go-again-expert-warns-of-a-new-super-variant-dubbed-covid-22-that-could-be-more-dangerous-than-delta/
There are a handful of advantages to a totalitarian society and there are risks associated with a non-totalitarian society.
Personally, I'll take the risks.
So now, nobody is dying from the flu. Or from motorcycle wrecks. Or various types of cancer.
Covid has saved us! It cured everything else!
This "sane". What is "sane? "
Please explain, and give examples from current affairs.
Australia and NZ are not totalitarian.
Basic public health measures mean we’ve spent most of the last year open, doing whatever we wanted and not risking COVID. Achieving that through short term measures that demonstrably eliminate the disease is not communism.
Reading some of the posts here you’d think that Latin America and India are the most free places on earth - it’s as if having lots of COVID infections and death is a measure of freedom.
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Keep licking that boot, you’re doing great! Also is this a proper example of The Best Healthcare System In The World as you like to crow about???
The obstetrician John Svigos told the committee on Tuesday that Adelaide was the only mainland capital where paediatric cardiac surgery was not available, which meant critically ill infants and children had to be transferred interstate.
Australia and NZ are not totalitarian. ..........
I note from the article that the cardiac surgery unit at the hospital was closed back in 2002. If I had to guess, probably due to not having enough pediatric cardiac surgery cases to warrant keeping the unit open. It is not at all unusual to concentrate specialty surgery into a few hospitals. That way you get enough cases to keep the skills of the staff sharp which leads to better patient outcomes. So from the Guardian article, I don't see where this is related to COVID, given that the unit closed 12 years ago.
Australia and NZ are not totalitarian.Of course they are. Australians are not only descendants of convicts, they are descendants of their jailers. As a society they do not believe rights matter in nearly the same way that any other major English speaking nation does.
A dubious review of millions of ballots cast in Arizona’s largest county will be delayed after three members of the company involved in the effort contracted COVID-19, according to a top Republican state lawmaker.
The firm, Cyber Ninjas, had been expected to hand over findings Monday from its chaotic and widely criticized review of 2020 presidential election ballots cast in Maricopa County, but that timeline will be pushed back after a majority of its team became “quite sick.”
Except, your article is not true: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/21/utterly-unacceptable-deaths-of-four-babies-at-adelaide-hospital-prompt-call-for-inquiry (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/21/utterly-unacceptable-deaths-of-four-babies-at-adelaide-hospital-prompt-call-for-inquiry)
I have seen video clips of Aussie and NZ officials telling their populace not even to talk to each other.
I've seen news reports of Australia using the military to enforce lockdown .... another news report a lone man in an elevator sneezed and is now the subject of a manhunt.
Fox News host Tucker Carlson reported 8/23/21 that in 2017 that Australia changed its laws permitting public gatherings/protests, and is now taking advantage of that to seriously Crack down on protestors. Granted, not as bad as Taliban in Afghanistan, but still quite nasty.
I am willing to believe the Tucker piece may involve some hyperbole but not those first two.
"Australia and NZ are not totalitarian." :O ..... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
So it’s just a *expletive deleted*it socialist healthcare system then, cool
Of course they are. Australians are not only descendants of convicts, they are descendants of their jailers. As a society they do not believe rights matter in nearly the same way that any other major English speaking nation does.
"Zero COVID" style lockdowns can only be effective at scale if they are enforced by a totalitarian regime.
As far as I can tell the New Zealand turn towards authoritarianism is much more recent, but it is absolutely nothing new for Australia.
When there is a lockdown to prevent the spread of disease, that means you can’t go interact with people as normal. That is a temporary measure designed to bring Covid cases down to zero. The rules get lifted when there’s no more disease. That’s a system the founding fathers were quite familiar with - they dealt with even worse diseases.
The hype about protest laws and neighbours and the military is just like the article about the babies - hype and misleading. The measure of freedom is not the Covid death rate and mostly, Australians have been both free to do as they please and also free from the risk of Covid due to reasonable and temporary public health policy.
So in other words, your evidence that a society is free is its failure to control Covid? Because that’s how you measure whether a society is totalitarian or not - if they successfully control Covid.
Orwell would be impressed at the way some Americans are making rampant disease equivalent to living free.
Really? PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN TALK TO EACH OTHER? ? I mean, are there any MASKS in the Down-under or NZ? ?
The "Founding Fathers" had no idea at all about germs, bacteria or viruses. Good grief, they bled George Washington to death with leeches!!!! "Quite familiar with ...." Geeesh.
The protests were on videotape. That was not a lie. A number of news outlets reported military enforcing lockdowns - - - - was every one a lie? ?
I believe you are either a troll or utterly clueless about your own back yard.
Tommy, people can talk to each other. Your portrayal of life even under lockdown is hype. Bans on large public gatherings to stop disease are not bans on speech or remotely targeted at speech.
George Washington actively quarantined and separated people to stop the spread of disease, in a way not much different to what’s happening in Australia now:
https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/smallpox/ (https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/smallpox/)
That is not what the Aussie and NZ officials said - - period. IT IS ON VIDEOTAPE!!!!
Washington quarantined people but no one prohibited those people from talking to each other.
People in quarantine together are not banned from speaking to each other in Australia. You’re just flat out wrong.
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Quarantine was, back then, for the sick, to keep them from spreading the disease. Not for the healthy. In some cases while towns would be quarantined because such a high percentage was sick. Those were, by today’s standards, pretty small towns, and once the population either recovered or died the quarantine was lifted.
De Selby seems to think that making someone sick with smallpox stay in their home, or a town of a hundreds stay in their own town until the majority are not sick anymore is somehow equivalent to locking down a whole damn continent because 1 individual got sick with a bad cold. I’m pretty sure there’s something in the DSM V that covers that.
In how many years is the common cold in the top ten causes of death? And with the infection rate of COVID, absent quarantines, how many become sick?
Your entire premise seems to be that Covid isn’t very bad. It’s fair for a majority of voters to disagree with you and seek measures to control it.
As many as covid. Zero.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)
Hows 629,000 compare to other causes of death???? Pretty sure that’s well into the top ten
In how many years is the common cold in the top ten causes of death? And with the infection rate of COVID, absent quarantines, how many become sick?
Your entire premise seems to be that Covid isn’t very bad. It’s fair for a majority of voters to disagree with you and seek measures to control it.
Tell me about the dogs? I have friends wanting to come over and do a John Wick on some dog killers.
So in other words, your evidence that a society is free is its failure to control Covid? Because that’s how you measure whether a society is totalitarian or not - if they successfully control Covid.(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F001%2F335%2F192%2Fb62.jpg&hash=9649adfb77ad16047f2f8d7aeb658d51f5a97507)
Orwell would be impressed at the way some Americans are making rampant disease equivalent to living free.
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I am saying that to achieve zero covid (or zero murders, or zero drug use, or whatever) requires totalitarian control. You may argue that you approve of that control in this case because reasons, but you can’t argue that it isn’t totalitarian.
Which is of course not to say a country that has significant infection is automatically more free, nor that a country that does a generally good job handling disease is automatically totalitarian.
The common cold, flu, and other similar viruses primarily kill those who are, to put it indelicately, already circling the drain. Otherwise healthy people are at very low risk, bordering on none, from such viruses, including Covid-19. The elderly, and those in poor health that are the vast majority of fatalities from covid are the same people that die most years from those other diseases.
Smallpox however killed not just the old and already sickly, but those in the prime of health at similar rates.
We have to die of something eventually. Or do you want to shut down entire economies every time a sniffle threatens to kill an 87 year old diabetic with congestive heart failure?
Yeah, I don’t think basic public health and quarantine laws of the sorts used by the founding fathers are a mark of totalitarianism. And voters get to decide on that question in both countries.Please educate me:
Compliance with measures to stop the spread of a plague isn’t a sign of people having no say; it’s a sign that they actually have something of a community spirit and shared identity.
Being willing to let granny die a few years early a la posts in this thread is not a healthy sign of individual rights or democracy.
Please educate me:
When has any society prior to 2020 enforced mass quarantine laws on their entire nation? When did the founding fathers lock down the fledgling United States and arrest anyone who went outside without a good enough reason? When did Thomas Jefferson arrest someone for speaking out against mass quarantine?
We aren’t talking voluntary compliance though, are we?
Locking granny in a room to die alone is?
1. That would be the United States among many others. Wherever smallpox or plagues appeared, there were quarantines. Quarantines at international borders were also routine. That’s no different to what’s happening in in AU/NZ.No one here is arguing against quarantining people who are infected with very dangerous and contagious diseases, nor even quarantining people who cross international borders. Are you claiming that those are the limit of what Australia or New Zealand (or the US for that matter) are doing as far as lockdowns?
2. Not allowing people in quarantine because of an infectious disease to leave quarantine is the definition of quarantine. Taking dramatic licence with your description doesn’t change what it is, and it’s been in use in the entire English speaking world for as long as there’s been communicable disease.Yes, quarantining sick people is a thing. That is not equivalent to general lockdowns.
4. Quarantines in Australia and NZ are effective because of mass compliance, not enforcement. Many parts of the US had the same rules but the widespread refusal to follow them made them ineffective in 2020.Yes, I believe that Australians in general are far more tolerant of the totalitarianism of the Australian system. That's kind of my point. But I've also seen enough of the Australian protests to know that compliance is hardly universal and has required some ... enthusiastic enforcement, to back it up. As you say, some parts of the US had similar rules, but as most of those rules were of questionable legal founding and therefore tended to lack the enforcement the Australians were willing to exercise.
In terms of granny, Bogies posts on this thread and many others imply that old people dying of Covid isn’t really a problem because old people die of something or other. What more is there to say about that?Sorry, were you under the misapprehension that I am Bogie?
We're all going to die! Again
Experts concerned about possible ‘twindemic’ as US enters flu season amid rising COVID-19 cases
https://www.wave3.com/2021/08/25/experts-concerned-about-possible-twindemic-us-enters-flu-season-amid-rising-covid-19-cases/
The beauty of the Chinese propaganda was how they convinced people who wanted to be "safe" that they could kill, or be killed, by someone innocent. "Asymptomatic" was such a nice science-sounding word.
It's all a massive distortion to get control, based on fear.
covid is a tool, a lever.
It reminds me very much of the hysteria around "gun violence"- another fear tool.
Governments have been running these on people forever.
Believing their numbers is the first mistake.
If this was a serious issue, we would not be arguing on published numbers.
We would all know people who died.
I know of one person, a family member. Covid death.
He was 101 years old, with multiple issues. Covid death.
I think it was Orwell who said the ultimate goal of propaganda indoctrination was that people would believe what they were told, rather than what was right in front of them, clear to the senses.
The best thing about all of this was the wake-up call as to how many Americans are closet totalitarians.
Our twanloc are not those who braved the north Atlantic or set off on the Oregon trail....
Uh why wasn’t that a concern last flu season?IMO, the social distancing behavior and (most) people taking extra care when sick to not spread it at work or in public has probably done a lot to cut down on the flu. Why it would suddenly make a come back, I don't know.
Oh that’s right the flu miraculously disappeared for a few months since it knew we were dealing with the Kung Flu
Maybe we're too close to Illinois... That, and I figure that hiring enough staff to open the fast food outfits fully would be pretty hard here.I tried to go to a local Popeye's last week. They had the dining room entrance locked. I called to ask if it was policy or not. They said they were short handed.
Margaret Ann Cirko, 37, had entered a Gerrity's supermarket in Hanover township on 25 March last year and purposely coughed on food while screaming that she had the coronavirus and that everyone would get sick, authorities said.
Ms Cirko pleaded guilty in June to a charge of weapons of mass destruction, considered a second-degree felony in the country, according to a local media report.
“I wish I could take it back,” said Ms Cirko, apologising in court on Tuesday. Apart from the jail sentence, she was ordered to pay $30,000 in restitution and undergo mental health and alcohol evaluations.
Over $35,000 worth of food and other items had to be thrown out because of the “twisted prank”, according to Joe Fasula, the co-owner of the supermarket chain.
In how many years is the common cold in the top ten causes of death? And with the infection rate of COVID, absent quarantines, how many become sick?
Your entire premise seems to be that Covid isn’t very bad. It’s fair for a majority of voters to disagree with you and seek measures to control it.
=) At least you are predictable De Selby.
No one here is arguing against quarantining people who are infected with very dangerous and contagious diseases, nor even quarantining people who cross international borders. Are you claiming that those are the limit of what Australia or New Zealand (or the US for that matter) are doing as far as lockdowns?
Yes, quarantining sick people is a thing. That is not equivalent to general lockdowns.
"Look, we have a long history of locking up people who are sick with very dangerous and contagious diseases, so of course there is precedent for locking up everyone irrespective of their health status, forcing them to close their businesses, arresting them for walking on the beach, and so forth!"
My kids can loan you their book on avoiding basic logical fallacies if you need to borrow a copy.
Yes, I believe that Australians in general are far more tolerant of the totalitarianism of the Australian system. That's kind of my point. But I've also seen enough of the Australian protests to know that compliance is hardly universal and has required some ... enthusiastic enforcement, to back it up. As you say, some parts of the US had similar rules, but as most of those rules were of questionable legal founding and therefore tended to lack the enforcement the Australians were willing to exercise.
Sorry, were you under the misapprehension that I am Bogie?
That said, we have known about the disproportionate risks of COVID to elderly and otherwise at-risk patients since before COVID was known to have escaped China. On the other hand, we've made policy based on the idea that everyone is at equal risk.
Had a government from the outset instituted a border quarantine, a quarantine for anyone who tested positive, encouraged free testing, suggested that elderly and otherwise at-risk people stay home and made provisions to deliver food and medicine when necessary, but allowed the population to generally make their own decisions few people would have complained, the people most likely to be severely impacted would have been protected, individuals and businesses who wanted to take extra precautions would have been able to do so. But that is not what was generally done, was it?
Gladys Berejiklian, premier of New South Wales, has gone on record saying that lockdowns and other major restrictions will remain a fact of life in Australia even if zero Covid is reached. De Selby needs to set her straight, obviously.
So Deselby you’re saying it was voluntary compliance that has made the difference?
Then why the deployment of troops in the street? In fact why need to make it law at all if your population is so virtuous about compliance compared to the US?
You don’t back up voluntary compliance with the threat or the actual employment of force but you sure as hell need both to achieve involuntary compliance.
Tyranny exercised “for the greater good” is still tyranny.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-bizarre-refusal-to-apply-cost
Good article on those with De Selby’s viewpoint and their outright refusal to discuss the costs of the lockdowns and other anti-covid measures.
Cutting off towns is what the founding fathers sometimes did for disease. Quarantine applies to not just sick people, but people who are at risk for spreading disease. There is no in principle difference between the laws and powers in Australia and the US on this topic.
Try sourcing that, because I’ve been watching her say the opposite daily.
And again, you’re conflating a quarantine for a disease with a 30+% fatality rate (plus life altering disfigurement/blindness for close to as many again) where they would isolate a town that was being ravaged by it, and a disease with closer to a 0.30% fatality rate where they’re locking down entire continents over 1 person sneezing.
Covid is, for practical purposes, a nothing burger for those under 60, unless pretty sickly already. And for children it is less deadly than the flu. For jabbed adults the risk is lower than a whole lot of normal daily activities. Those over 60 and/or with significant co-morbidities it certainly is worse than the flu, but it’s still not even close to freaking smallpox levels of death and disfigurement.
I’m seriously getting tired of the fear porn. It crossed over into the more harm than good category quite a while ago.
Cutting off towns is what the founding fathers sometimes did for disease. Quarantine applies to not just sick people, but people who are at risk for spreading disease. There is no in principle difference between the laws and powers in Australia and the US on this topic.Nope. The widespread and indiscriminate COVID lockdowns do not have any historical precedent in the US, and I doubt if they have any real precedent in world history in peacetime. If you think there is some specific example that contradicts that please feel free to point it out.
The difference in Covid rates isn’t because of the legal frameworks, it’s because people mostly understand the benefits of eliminating Covid and comply. Enforcement is possible because if that compliance and democratic endorsement of the rules.I have already agreed that there is a greater general acceptance in Australia of their rules due in part to their cultural history. Remember getting all huffy about my remark about Australians being descendants not only of convicts but of their jailers? (Which was actually paraphrased from Katy Barnett, a law professor at the University of Melbourne, by the way.)
Large swaths of people in the US consider this totalitarian not because they wouldn’t endorse the same for say, Ebola, but instead because they don’t believe the science on COVID, or, as below, don’t think it’s worth inconveniencing themselves for a few weeks to save old and sick people.You're right, the relative severity of COVID does play a huge role in to how accepting people are of the response. That is as it should be, I think.
Well, Bogie’s viewpoint doesn’t seem to be uncommon among the Covid deniers and those who say public health measures that have been on American books from the founding of the nation are totalitarian.I guess I'll have to let you argue with Bogie about his beliefs.
... just a sign of being willing to decide for other people when it’s okay for them to die.
Okay, at what level of death is quarantine an acceptable response, and how did you arrive at that level?Very good question. As above, if you don't lock down countries to prevent the flu (which kills a large number of people every year that is not 2020), aren't you just deciding for other people when it is okay for them to die? How many grannies are you willing to kill each year by not locking down for every disease that might kill them? Why do you hate grandma?
Why wonder about a theoretical quarantine and its effects, when real life systems have achieved zero Covid and got everyone back to normal life in a limited amount of time?I'm not insensible to the significant benefits of zero COVID. As I've said from the beginning, the various costs of having a government that can and does impose and maintain the kind of lockdowns necessary to achieve zero COVID as many times as necessary to maintain zero COVID indefinitely is the problem.
they're expecting to have to maintain the same kind of posture for the foreseeable future.
OMG! SUCH freedom!
I wonder which country will be the first to entertain the concept of quarantining the unvaccinated so they don't contract or spread the virus. Except of course as we have seen, even the vaccinated can contract or spread the virus, albeit at lower rates or lesser severity.
As a dude with natural immunity, I'm waiting till they quarantine all the rest of you. =D
As a dude with natural immunity, I'm waiting till they quarantine all the rest of you. =D
What in your recent experience tells you that our jackbooted overlords will allow natural immunity to exempt you from the compulsory vaccine?In the US the refrain is "VACCINE GOOD" not "IMMUNITY GOOD".
What in your recent experience tells you that our jackbooted overlords will allow natural immunity to exempt you from the compulsory vaccine?
These viruses are all competing with each other for advantage to be the one that survives,” Durbin told Newsweek. “We know that the lambda variant has some of the same mutations as the delta variant that we think (will) allow it to be more transmissible, so it would be difficult to outcompete the delta variant.”
Maybe we will get to the zombie variant and I can finally use this chainsaw bayonet.
The Aussies don't seem to be interested in "temporary quarantine" to get back to business. They are building centralized quarantine facilities that won't even be ready until 2022. Doesn't sound very "zero cases of covid and then back to business" to me.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/26/australian-politician-quite-excited-to-announce-groundbreaking-for-new-covid-quarantine-facility/
I keep telling you guys that it's the Omega variant that we want!
They move too fast, as I get older I need enemies I can outwalkhobble.
FTFY.
The fear propaganda being pumped into my cellphone was proclaiming America might hit 100,000 covid deaths total!
If only I didn't know that nearly 2 years of "100,000 covid deaths" is still less than one year's total influenza and pneumonia deaths (120,000+).
Way to inadvertently say that super special covid is less than half the problem of regular yearly flu and pneumonia.
(https://i.imgur.com/gwnAmRL.jpg?1)
The fear propaganda being pumped into my cellphone was proclaiming America might hit 100,000 covid deaths total!I thought the official number was something like 650k.
If only I didn't know that nearly 2 years of "100,000 covid deaths" is still less than one year's total influenza and pneumonia deaths (120,000+).
Way to inadvertently say that super special covid is less than half the problem of regular yearly flu and pneumonia.
Nope. The widespread and indiscriminate COVID lockdowns do not have any historical precedent in the US, and I doubt if they have any real precedent in world history in peacetime. If you think there is some specific example that contradicts that please feel free to point it out.
However, as I've said before, lockdowns and PPE do not eliminate COVID in any way except locally and temporarily. They are strictly delaying tactics. Local herd immunity - if that is even possible with COVID - produced by a combination of vaccination, natural immunity, recovered COVID cases, and whatever prophylactic treatments are effective is the only way to enduringly eliminate a disease that has spread to such an extent. I have mocked China for their heavy-handed reaction to COVID, but as extreme as it was that response was too little too late to prevent COVID escape ... assuming for the moment that they were actually intending to extinguish it.
You're right, the relative severity of COVID does play a huge role in to how accepting people are of the response. That is as it should be, I think.
But let's play this out for a second. Exactly what "science on COVID" do you claim that I don't believe? Please note I'm not talking about Bogie, or some other strawman.
Posted earlier in this thread: https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/administrative_law/08gs_winner_essay.pdf (https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/administrative_law/08gs_winner_essay.pdf)Yes, as mentioned previously I read it. And I just reread it to be sure I wasn't missing something. Did you even briefly review it before posting it and asserting that it supported your argument?
Your analysis of the legal history of quarantines and lockdowns is simply wrong, there’s not much more to be said there and if you read the link you’ll get a short history of the expansive public health emergency powers available and their history in the USA.Like I said, I read your link. If you were to read it you would see that it simply does not say what you are claiming it to say.
If this is true, how do you explain the staggering difference in per capita infection, serious complications, and death between the USA and Australia/NZ? And the long periods of zero Covid? The problem here is that you’re ignoring the actual figures to declare that the rest of the world is on its way to becoming like the US. There is absolutely no way to explain why the lockdowns resulted in no infection despite fully open economies if they are not in fact effective at stopping Covid. And their having worked for 12 months successfully when Covid took half that time to ravage the US.I have never met someone so articulate whose literacy I doubt. I have never claimed that you can't possibly achieve local and temporary zero COVID through totalitarian control of a society. My complaints are exactly that it takes totalitarian control of society and that the society has to be willing to lock down again and again whenever the disease inevitably escapes. As I said, temporary and local, my friend.
First, you didn’t answer the question. What’s an acceptable death or illness rate to justify measures that are effective to stop the disease?:rofl:
My own personal answer is, and this goes to your question about why granny can die of the flu- one that doesn’t overwhelm hospital capacity, and that is comparable to seasonal flu. We’ve made decisions as a society about how much investment in hospital infrastructure we need over a long period of time, and diseases that force us to have never much more or choose mass casualties should be candidates for emergency controls. That’s a reasonable starting place, and voters should get to decide by having a chance to replace governments responsible for the disease response.Seasonal flu does overwhelm hospitals during bad years. When it does do you immediately call for locking down society until zero flu is achieved? And then locking down again every time someone catches a flu, because it might spread to the point that hospitals are overwhelmed?
So who is that Ad Hominum insult aimed at exactly?I don't know. I have noticed a handful of rewrites of that flag trying to poke fun. Some are mildly amusing. That one came from Inrangetv's Instagram.
I assume that RFK Jr. is still a Democrat, but here's an article by him that I found enlightening:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mainstream-media-fda-approval-pfizer-vaccine/
This is the first I've realized that there isn't one "the Pfizer" vaccine, and that the Pfizer vaccine that was just approved is not the same Pfizer vaccine that the VA administered to me in January. The legal questions about whether or not they can force adults to accept "it" are very interesting. I hope someone brings a test case lawsuit sooner rather than later.
Can someone explain to me the difference between the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the Pfizer Corminaty vaccine?
Comirnaty has the same formulation as the EUA vaccine and is administered as a series of two doses, three weeks apart.
MillCreek, can you mail me a few doses of monoclonal antibody treatment?
Thought it might be a good idea to have some in the first aid kit.
You can get ivermectin at Fleet and Farm!Already have that in my dog's heartworm medication.
You can get ivermectin at Fleet and Farm!
My F&F has a sign up by the horse stuff, "Not for human consumption".
I assume that RFK Jr. is still a Democrat, but here's an article by him that I found enlightening:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mainstream-media-fda-approval-pfizer-vaccine/
This is the first I've realized that there isn't one "the Pfizer" vaccine, and that the Pfizer vaccine that was just approved is not the same Pfizer vaccine that the VA administered to me in January. The legal questions about whether or not they can force adults to accept "it" are very interesting. I hope someone brings a test case lawsuit sooner rather than later.
Can someone explain to me the difference between the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the Pfizer Corminaty vaccine?
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Seasonal flu does overwhelm hospitals during bad years. When it does do you immediately call for locking down society until zero flu is achieved? And then locking down again every time someone catches a flu, because it might spread to the point that hospitals are overwhelmed?
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Yes, as mentioned previously I read it. And I just reread it to be sure I wasn't missing something. Did you even briefly review it before posting it and asserting that it supported your argument?
Assuming you did, exactly what part of that paper do you think either supports or demonstrates historical precedent for general lockdowns? If anything, that paper argues for limits and restrictions on quarantines and lockdowns to prevent abuse ...
Like I said, I read your link. If you were to read it you would see that it simply does not say what you are claiming it to say.
Yes, Australia can have zero COVID but only while maintaining eternal vigilance and being willing to go full gulag at a moment's notice. The police should not be used as a permanent answer to a medical issue.
I note that you have ceded the emotional "granny" argument as you are totally willing to decide when it is okay for other people to die. I guess it is okay when you do it.
Seasonal flu does overwhelm hospitals during bad years. When it does do you immediately call for locking down society until zero flu is achieved? And then locking down again every time someone catches a flu, because it might spread to the point that hospitals are overwhelmed?
Further, do you foresee maintaining zero COVID even once everyone in Australia has been given the opportunity to receive COVID vaccination? At that point hospitals will be unlikely to be overwhelmed and therefore your justification no longer applies.You’re conflating a moral argument about whether people should have a chance to get vaccinated with public health questions about how much the disease would cost or impact. More vaccination including for poor and remote communities is something I don’t think any Australian would oppose.
I've heard concerns that aboriginal Australians are at particular risk of COVID to explain the severity of the lockdowns but also that supplies of vaccines provided to aboriginal communities have been severely limited compared to the rest of Australia.
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There’s an easy way to resolve this point. Please cite flu statistics from the most recent year in which the flu approached COVID hospitalisation and death figures.
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[popcorn]
It's incumbent upon me to point out the obvious fact that the official numbers from the USA during this pandemic have all been BS.
Numbers from other nations should be taken with a grain of salt also.
The easily demonstrated lies from all these official sources should bring into question their statistics also.
If they will lie about some things why believe them about others? I dismiss liars in official positions just like I dismiss liars at the personal level.
How do you know they’re not lying to understate the impact of covid, so as to look more effective to their own electorates?
The covid stats are fake line just seems very hard to justify. If someone published a tape of Einstein lying about his education, I wouldn’t start thinking nuclear reactors were a media scam. But this seems to be the sort of thing that’s happening with medicine and covid.
That there are expansive quarantine and public health emergency powers dating to the 1700s in American law? It absolutely does say that and provides cites.The article you posted referenced:
The use of quarantine as an extensive public health measure should be curtailed for the following reasons: 1) quarantine has been historically used to discriminate against minorities; 2) studies demonstrate that mass quarantine is ineffective; 3) a large scale quarantine would be difficult to implement.
Another reason why extensive quarantine measures should be restricted is that quarantines are effective only in limited circumstances.61 Richard Schabas points out three highly improbable factors that must be present in order for a quarantine to work. 1)Patients must show signs of having a communicable disease that can be transmitted in its early stages. With many diseases, this simply is not possible 2) Effective quarantine requires the identification of “all, or virtually all, people incubating the infection.” 3) Compliance is necessary in order for quarantine to be effective.
Initially, quarantine may seem like a necessary tool to protect the public health in the event of pandemic illness. However, closer examination demonstrates that the use of quarantine can be full of potential missteps: discrimination, abuse of individual rights, and misapplication of valuable resources on an essentially ineffective measure. The CDC’s proposed regulations must be further developed not only to avoid these potential missteps, but also to effectively implement a quarantine.
Temporary shut downs to stop the uncontrolled and rampant spread of disease are not gulags.If you are allowed one hour of outdoor recreational time per day, required to justify your movements to police, required to stay home unless you get permission from your government well then it's a little on the gulag side of things.
Hang on there - part of your justification for calling public health measures for covid was that it’s not as bad as smallpox. So where is your line? The point of adopting the line about existing hospital infrastructure is to adopt a rule that’s at least somewhat democratic - we all got a say in how much gets put into hospitals and are okay with that over multiple elections. What’s covered by those resources is a good rule of thumb for assessing when a new disease requires extraordinary measures.I'm not sure there is a simple, clear, and universal answer. The appropriate responses to a bad cold or COVID or smallpox or the bubonic plague or HIV or Ebola or Tommygunn's perpetually referenced "Andromeda Strain" would all vary.
So I’ll ask again: between smallpox and covid, what’s the death rate at which youd consider a lockdown justified and not totalitarian?
There’s an easy way to resolve this point. Please cite flu statistics from the most recent year in which the flu approached COVID hospitalisation and death figures.Your previously stated red line to justify lockdowns was not "equivalent to COVID". You said that lockdowns should commence when hospitals are overwhelmed. So by your own stated standards a bad flu year that overwhelms hospitals justify lockdowns.
You’re conflating a moral argument about whether people should have a chance to get vaccinated with public health questions about how much the disease would cost or impact.If the two aren't closely related then the vaccines are hardly worth worrying about.
More vaccination including for poor and remote communities is something I don’t think any Australian would oppose.Except whomever is in charge of distributing vaccines, apparently.
Arne Duncanhttps://twitter.com/arneduncan/status/1431974283388100612?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1431974283388100612%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fgregp-3534%2F2021%2F08%2F29%2Fformer-obama-education-secretary-arne-duncan-compares-anti-mask-and-anti-vax-americans-to-the-kabul-suicide-bombers%2F (https://twitter.com/arneduncan/status/1431974283388100612?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1431974283388100612%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fgregp-3534%2F2021%2F08%2F29%2Fformer-obama-education-secretary-arne-duncan-compares-anti-mask-and-anti-vax-americans-to-the-kabul-suicide-bombers%2F)
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Have you noticed how strikingly similar both the mindsets and actions are between the suicide bombers at Kabul’s airport, and the anti-mask and anti-vax people here?
They both blow themselves up, inflict harm on those around them, and are convinced they are fighting for freedom.
Alex Berenson, once of the New York Times, mind you, has been banned from Twitter for "covid misinformation". The misinformation being what the CDC has already admitted. But since the truth might keep people from getting poked, it had to be curated.
Basically he posted that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid or transmission, and shouldn't be mandated. This is accurate. You can still get covid, though it will likely be less severe. You can obviously still transmit it. This is scientific fact, yet "misinformation". He never said people shouldn't get it, just not to be forced to get it, nor to expect a miracle drug.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/29/wtaf-tweet-twitter-suspended-alex-berenson-over-should-worry-any-and-every-person-daring-to-question-the-government-on-covid/
Alex Berenson, once of the New York Times, mind you, has been banned from Twitter for "covid misinformation". The misinformation being what the CDC has already admitted. But since the truth might keep people from getting poked, it had to be curated.
Basically he posted that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid or transmission, and shouldn't be mandated. This is accurate. You can still get covid, though it will likely be less severe. You can obviously still transmit it. This is scientific fact, yet "misinformation". He never said people shouldn't get it, just not to be forced to get it, nor to expect a miracle drug.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/29/wtaf-tweet-twitter-suspended-alex-berenson-over-should-worry-any-and-every-person-daring-to-question-the-government-on-covid/
The article you posted referenced:
1. Historical quarantines for international arrivals
2. Individual quarantines for people who were sick or exposed to a virus
3. Proposed rules for testing people in certain cases in airports and for brief provisional quarantines up to three days and the necessary quarantine orders to extend it beyond that, plus the necessary administrative hearings and judicial reviews for all individuals subject to longer than three day provisional quarantines.
It also discussed a variety of ways in which quarantine authority was abused.
What the article did not do was show where general and universal lockdowns as used for COVID are effective, legal, or with historical precedent in the US.
I'm not sure there is a simple, clear, and universal answer. The appropriate responses to a bad cold or COVID or smallpox or the bubonic plague or HIV or Ebola or Tommygunn's perpetually referenced "Andromeda Strain" would all vary.
Your previously stated red line to justify lockdowns was not "equivalent to COVID". You said that lockdowns should commence when hospitals are overwhelmed. So by your own stated standards a bad flu year that overwhelms hospitals justify lockdowns.
If the two aren't closely related then the vaccines are hardly worth worrying about.
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Except whomever is in charge of distributing vaccines, apparently.
From interaction with some low-information folks around my urban area...
They mostly just get news and info from network news, and the local media outlets.
If you are exposed to it, you're going to catch it.
If you catch it, you are gonna DIE!
And it is going to hurt the whole time.
Doesn't matter if you are Eight or Eighty...
According to the Really Smart People, we barely avoided Captain Trips by wearing face masks. And if we keep doing that, we'll never get sick again.For the better part of a century the observation of scientists and health care professionals was that masks did little to nothing to stop the spread of airborn disease.
The purpose of posting the article was to point out that US laws on public health and quarantine are broad and give authorities wide latitude in responding to disease. You quoted from the advocacy parts of the article that argue quarantine powers are too broad and therefore at risk of abuse. What you did not quote is the broad summary of quarantine measures and confinement of even people who are not sick that precedes that advocacy. If you would read that part, you'll see that actually the legal powers between the UK/Australia/USA when it comes to quarantine and lock down are not that different.I have read the whole thing several times, De Selby. I'm not convinced you read it once.
I'm not sure why you expected it to give medical advice about measures that are responsive to disease - for that you have real life examples where lockdowns have eliminated covid.Dude, we are right back around to where we started. I know that a totalitarian regime without US-style guarantees of civil rights or due process can lock their country down to the point of temporarily excluding COVID (until it gets in again and then they have to lock down again). I'm saying that I don't like totalitarian regimes with the power to do stuff like that. Such a system gives you the warm fuzzies. Great. I'm very glad you have been able to emigrate to a country whose outlook on civil rights reflects your own and hope you are able to receive citizenship there.
Okay, well please cite the flu year you're referring to that flu overwhelmed hospitals in the USA. I don't think you're correct that a "bad flu year" whatever that means overwhelms US hospitals.If you believe the hospitals, 2017-2018 is nice and recent, but there have certainly been worse years than that.
I can't find anything besides the 1918 pandemic that comparable in effect to what's happening now, so if you could please refer me to an example of a "bad flu year" I'll go through it and check hospitalisation and medical impact data.I've never claimed that bad flu years are comparable to COVID. COVID is worse, no doubt. The point is that you set your personal bar for Australia-style universal and repeated lockdowns and settling for nothing less than the local elimination of a given disease at "overwhelms hospital capacity". Based on your own words a bad flu season should result in total lockdowns. Now you're backpedaling and saying "oh, oh, but that's not as bad as COVID".
So are these points about whether lockdowns stop covid? Or whether they're justified?I was trying to steelman your position and give it all the benefit of the doubt possible. The impact on the aboriginal community was the very best argument I had seen in favor of the Australia lockdowns, albeit one you had not brought up. If there is a real risk that COVID could wipe out, or nearly wipe out an entire community because of that community's inherent lack of developed immunity to then I'd certainly understand the drive to protect that community - if still not necessarily agreeing with the morality of imprisoning a people to protect them.
For the better part of a century the observation of scientists and health care professionals was that masks did little to nothing to stop the spread of airborn disease.
For the better part of a century the observation of scientists and health care professionals was that masks did little to nothing to stop the spread of airborn disease.Aren't most of the "masks work" studies looking at the more robust masks that doctors and nurses wear in hospitals that are designs for the purpose? They are certainly not referring to bandanas pulled over the face or even the flimsy paper masks people get.
The vast majority of recent studies confirm that observation or are inclusive.
There are a couple? of studies that claim masks work, the fearful and gullible cling to them with a death grip ignoring nearly a century of data.
This is not a true statement.
Regardless, wear the mask if it makes you feel safe.
I was trying to steelman your position and give it all the benefit of the doubt possible. The impact on the aboriginal community was the very best argument I had seen in favor of the Australia lockdowns, albeit one you had not brought up. If there is a real risk that COVID could wipe out, or nearly wipe out an entire community because of that community's inherent lack of developed immunity to then I'd certainly understand the drive to protect that community - if still not necessarily agreeing with the morality of imprisoning a people to protect them.
Even Fauci is on record early on telling the press that there is no reason the public should be masking up. There were plenty of others and still are that point to the science.
During this pandemic time there have been some studies that support your position, no politics involved I'm sure.
Studies of the Spanish Flu and the effectiveness of masks didn't show what you claim.
Regardless, wear the mask if it makes you feel safe.
For the better part of a century the observation of scientists and health care professionals was that masks did little to nothing to stop the spread of airborn disease.
But COVID-19 is a "novel" (i.e. "new") virus, to which nobody and no population has (or had, initially) an inherent developed immunity. The way any population or community develops immunity is for people to catch the virus, and beat it. So why is the Australian aboriginal community any different that the rest of the Australian population in regaerd to COVID-19?COVID-19 is novel, but coronaviruses are not. It is possible that the aboriginal Australians have fewer inherent defenses against coronaviruses as a class than do other societies with a longer history of being exposed to other coronaviruses.
I guess we needed to define the terms.
Not too many people are wearing surgical masks, using best practices, in public.
The public use and professional use shouldn't be conflated in my opinion.
The mask mandates are more of a training technique to get the public used to complying with government mandates, regardless of the logic or science. That's why Fauci did the public wearing masks flip flop IMHO.
IMO, even the thin cloth covering can stop a percentage of the droplets spread from someone's breathing, but only a percentage. To me it is more effective for the people that are actively sick. Govt does their usually heavy handed approach and decides to mandate masks for everyone "for our own good".
If you believe that it stops a percentage of aerosol drops going out, why would it not stop a similar percentage of aerosol drops going in? And if a dual layer cloth mask (which, you will recall is what was recommended for a while now, bandanas and neck gators notwithstanding) can stop some percentage of virus laden aerosol drops in both directions, wouldn't it benefit both the healthy person if both they, and the sick person were wearing one? I think think the actual numbers show that it is more effective at stopping drops on the exhaler, but not by as much as you seem to imply.Why? Because it is the heavier droplets that it stops or tends to catch. I think that is the stuff that is more likely to get spread around to those in very close proximity or survive on surfaces. With cold and flu, I think that helps a lot. Not sure about COVID. Does it help more than simple social distancing? Maybe not. I figure the person on the other end is less likely to breath in droplets like that, but can come into contact with them. That is why I say it is just a percentage. The ad hoc masks certainly aren't stopping everything.
The social and legal implications of widespread mask mandates by executive diktat or bureaucratic fiat are a separate issue from whether masking actually reduces community spread of COVID, or the more general question of masks vs. airborne disease.
However, Morrison on Aug. 23 said the current course of action was "not a sustainable way to live in this country."
"Once you get to 70% of your eligible population being vaccinated, and 80% ... the plan sets out we have to move forward," Morrison said in a video address. "Because if not at 70% and 80%, then when? Then when? This cannot go on forever, this is not a sustainable way to live in this country."
BREAKING: Education Dept. launches civil rights investigation into whether states that have banned masks are discriminating against students with disabilities who could be at a higher risk for severe illness from Covid. https://t.co/cTBgkI9F8Bhttps://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/30/biden-administration-launches-civil-rights-investigations-into-five-states-that-bar-indoor-mask-mandates-in-schools/
— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 30, 2021
The ACLU represents a number of disability rights groups and parents who say that the state's ban not only hinders schools from adhering to federal disability rights law but also "illegally forces parents of children with underlying conditions to choose between their child's education and their child's health and safety."The ACLU Sues Over South Carolina's Ban On School Mask Mandates
I'll just leave these two related stories hereI must have missed where some schools had banned masks.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/30/biden-administration-launches-civil-rights-investigations-into-five-states-that-bar-indoor-mask-mandates-in-schools/
The ACLU Sues Over South Carolina's Ban On School Mask Mandates
https://www.npr.org/sections/back-to-school-live-updates/2021/08/24/1030632820/the-aclu-sues-south-carolina-over-its-school-mask-ban
A liquor store security guard was acting in self defense when he shot a customer three times because the customer was “putting other’s lives at risk by not wearing a [COVID] mask,” the guard’s private defense attorney said during a bond court hearing Wednesday.
The argument did not sway cook County Judge Mary Marubio.
“The victim fled the store, fell outside, followed by the defendant [who], according to the surveillance video, shot a second time. The defendant then paces back and forth and shot a third time,” Marubio said before ordering 42-year-old Chester Holmes held without bail.
Holmes, who is barred from possessing a weapon because he is a four-time convicted felon and registered child sex offender, was working as an armed security guard at the store
Chicago cops heard the gunfire and responded quickly enough to see Holmes running away, according to Auguste. He ditched his gun and security vest along the way and later told arresting officers where they could find them, Auguste said. Holmes also allegedly admitted to shooting the victim.
“The victim fled the store, fell outside, followed by the defendant [who], according to the surveillance video, shot a second time. The defendant then paces back and forth and shot a third time,” Marubio said before ordering 42-year-old Chester Holmes held without bail.Yeah, that would not work for self defense in most states. Also doesn't help that he is a convicted felon who shouldn't have a gun in the first place.
Holmes, who is barred from possessing a weapon because he is a four-time convicted felon and registered child sex offender, was working as an armed security guard at the store on the 6000 block of South Racine when a 28-year-old man walked in without a COVID mask
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Holmes was convicted of sexually assaulting a six-year-old girl and sexually abusing a 15-year-old girl in 2003. He has also served two prison terms for failing to follow sex offender registration requirements
“This is obviously going to be a self-defense case,” Friedman said after hearing the allegations. He called the circumstances “basically, a customer who’s unruly, who wants to put other lives at risk,” by not wearing a COVID mask.
^^^How did the employer of the armed security guard miss that? It does not look good to hire a felon who cannot possess a gun and then give them a gun. Prepare for the big civil lawsuit against them.
I think it's reasonable to assume the friends and family going into isolation rooms to visit, and the sick people being handed a box of disposable masks on discharge are a pretty solid indicator of "best practices" and use in the community at large. Additionally there are definitely people, both before and after COVID, that are too stupid to wear a mask properly.
That's not exactly the best way to handle the situation:
https://cwbchicago.com/2021/08/security-guard-who-shot-man-3-times-acted-in-self-defense-because-the-victim-wasnt-wearing-a-covid-mask-lawyer-says.html
That's not exactly the best way to handle the situation:
https://cwbchicago.com/2021/08/security-guard-who-shot-man-3-times-acted-in-self-defense-because-the-victim-wasnt-wearing-a-covid-mask-lawyer-says.html
Did that include snarky bastards wearing vented N95 masks getting in folks' faces?
Pfizer is fast tracking a treatment, two pills a day, for those who have been vaccinated and still get sick from Covid-19.
It doesn't replace the vaccine but is designed for those who are already vaccinated and still get infected with Covid-19.
Are we to expect their pills will work any better than their vaccine?
Do ya think that there MAY be a reason why there hasn't been a vaccine for the common cold until now? I wonder what we're going to learn, science-wise, from this massive experiment...
“My lungs are clear, and I’m able to breathe easily, so I feel protected since I’ve been vaccinated,” the 68-year-old lawmaker said Thursday. “The vaccine only protects you so you don’t end up on a ventilator or dead.”It would be nice to have a way to find out if you are naturally in the percentage of people who might get hospitalized since most people don't end up on a ventilator.
I bet these same people cheered the dogs getting shot.I realize that is for people who tested positive, but that is some serious mess. I predict it won't be long before the quarantine camps open.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/09/02/australias-next-authoritarian-move-is-so-insane-that-it-would-make-orwell-blush-n437161
I bet these same people cheered the dogs getting shot.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/09/02/australias-next-authoritarian-move-is-so-insane-that-it-would-make-orwell-blush-n437161
There's fringe theories out there that the vaccines are causing amplification of the virus in at least a small percentage of people, either leading to vaccine failure or causing them to be asymptomatic but shed huge/amplified amounts of the virus or become Typhoid-mary-like permacarriers, and that this is actually what's driving the summer outbreaks, which is being blamed on the delta variant. It also would account for the push to make everyone get vaccinated, because if everyone is vaccinated then it becomes harder to identify any such problem with the vaccine, because there's no control group left. And it also explains the sudden and basically unexplained reversion to asking vaccinated people to wear masks again. The problem with the theory is that outbreaks still seem to be hitting unvaccinated people heavily. Although the CDC's incompetence in reporting any intelligible numbers, or tracking the effectiveness of the vaccines in any way that would answer people's concerns doesn't help with disproving these theories.
It is not a "fringe theory".
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/
Rolling Stone claimed that an Oklahoma hospital was overwhelmed by patients overdosing on the "horse dewormer" Ivermectin.* The big MSM outlets picked it up without "fact checking". The hospital called them out. Note the image of "gunshot victims" waiting in line to be seen. Also note what they are wearing, even though it is apparently sweltering in OK right now. As usual though, the story spread like wildfire, and the correction is practically hidden. This will end up being a "fact" in historical documentation.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/09/05/no-one-thought-to-fact-check-rolling-stone-rachel-maddow-busted-pushing-fake-story-about-ok-hospitals-overwhelmed-with-horse-dewormer-ods/
* It appears that this "horse dewormer" has been used by billions of humans. Likely more human use than horse use.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
From Monday, fully vaccinated residents in NSW will be granted some additional freedoms, such as one extra hour of outdoor exercises.
Gee, this doesn't at all sound like something a prison warden would say:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/one-stop-shop-vaccine-passport-and-check-in-app-for-nsw_3984554.html
This morning, one of our patients told us he was the manager of the local Coastal Farm and Ranch, which has 19 locations in the PNW. He said that ivermectin now has prolonged shipping times in the supply chain, and all of the stores now have to keep it behind the counter since it was being shoplifted frequently. Interesting.
If somebody is thinking about going that route I would check out options with this group before using the off the shelf veterinary stuff.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/
Are any Dem governors signing emergency orders banning Ivermectin yet like they did HCQ?
This morning, one of our patients told us he was the manager of the local Coastal Farm and Ranch, which has 19 locations in the PNW. He said that ivermectin now has prolonged shipping times in the supply chain, and all of the stores now have to keep it behind the counter since it was being shoplifted frequently. Interesting.
But a judge did overturn the order to give ivermectin to a patient in the hospital: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/forced-use-of-horse-dewormer-on-covid-patient-overturned-by-ohio-judge/
In my continuing Quixoteian saga of calling out disinformation on both sides, that headline is a lie. Horse dewormer was not prescribed, nor was it administered to Mr. Smith.
Merck said in June that the U.S. government agreed to pay about $1.2 billion for 1.7 million courses of molnupiravir, if it is proven to work and authorized by regulators. The company said it expected to file for U.S. emergency use authorization of molnupiravir in the second half of 2021 at the earliest.Why would the US Govt buy a bunch of doses?
Pfizer said in July if the PF-07321332 trial was successful, it would file for a potential emergency use authorization in the fourth quarter.
Growsky continued, “How can we expect the human body to keep track of every microbe it’s ever killed, and know how to kill it again quickly if it ever returns? It is as nonsensical as it sounds.”
The CDC no longer recommends worrying about your physical fitness level, eating a well-balanced diet, or taking vitamins as these are only important if you trust your immune system.
Oh and the flu says hiNice to know the traditional annual medical warnings are still around. Makes one think we might get back to normal one day.
Health officials warn of dangerous flu season
https://www.wave3.com/2021/09/08/health-officials-warn-dangerous-flu-season/
Hmmm...https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/ (https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/)
I see a number of people talking about this that it shows Fauci lied to Congress. I doubt anything will come of it.
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THREAD: Inconvenient Covid facts.
1) Per the CDC, of the 378K death certificates listing Covid in 2020, only 20,792 listed just Covid (as in, no comorbidities)
Interesting:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/09/09/data-and-facts-and-stats-oh-my-covid-fact-thread-super-inconvenient-as-biden-prepares-to-prong-america-with-his-covid-plan/
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm
I guess it depends on what the comorbidity was as to whether listing it as a covid death is still appropriate. E.g. a gunshot wound to a vital organ, trauma from a car accident, etc shouldn’t be a covid death, no matter how sick they were when injured. Diabetes? Guess that would depend on the other circumstances, and how much covid contributed to the death. A 95 year old with prostate cancer and congestive heart failure? Probably ok to list as a covid death if they at least had symptoms and it was likely what finished him off.
The honest number is a lot higher than 21k, but also a lot less than 378k.
Again, the fed.gov is subsidizing Covid admissions to hospitals. First rule of economics: If you want more of something, subsidize it. I don't expect there is a lot of honesty in Covid patient reporting by hospitals.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/
Using their numbers is like reasoning forward on a problem starting with false assumptions.
As I've mentioned before, at least in the hospitals around here, the number of COVID patients taking up beds that could be used for more profitable surgeries and treatments (like transplants) are causing a significant loss in income vs. non pandemic years. The hospitals would be better off financially saying they were flu or pneumonia patients and sending them home rather then claiming COVID and admitting them.
I got a letter.
It says that I'm an essential employee.
I got to work when other people were scared to go outdoors.
I got to deal with people who were scared to use cash, and who wanted to yell credit card numbers at me.
So that they could buy an essential spark plug for their essential weedeater, so that they could manicure their essential yard.
My yard looks like a frickin' jungle.
I worked a double shift yesterday - open to close. I'm opening the store in a few minutes.
So that people can get essential stuff. And the shoplifters, and their masks, can try to steal.
It's been a long two weeks.
Mass transit never stopped running.
So the essentials can provide.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/sophies-choice-over-and-over-death-panels-are-the-new-phase-of-the-pandemic/
Be nice to your doctor in Idaho. He or she may get to pick if you get treatment or not based on your triage score.
Hospitals in northern Idaho are so flooded with COVID-19 patients that the state has declared an emergency, called “crisis standards of care.” It means when you show up to the emergency room, you may get treated based preferentially on who is most likely to live.
Isn't that always how triage works? That's why ER waits for the sniffles are so long.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/sophies-choice-over-and-over-death-panels-are-the-new-phase-of-the-pandemic/
Be nice to your doctor in Idaho. He or she may get to pick if you get treatment or not based on your triage score.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/sophies-choice-over-and-over-death-panels-are-the-new-phase-of-the-pandemic/
Be nice to your doctor in Idaho. He or she may get to pick if you get treatment or not based on your triage score.
We now have ICU beds set up in conference rooms but staffing the beds is the limiting factor.
Why hasn't Harris deposed him yet? She must not want the job.
Did is really happen or is it just more fake news like the shooting victims who couldn't get care because covid?
Have crisis standards of care been implemented in Idaho and other places? Yes. Has there been wide-spread death and morbidity as a result of people being triaged out of care due to COVID? Not that I am aware of. I have seen some anecdotal reports here and there about one-off cases, but nothing on a large scale.
You know who is really crumbling under the strain right now are volunteer/commercial/life flight ambulance services. They are the ones doing patient transfers from small hospitals to larger hospitals. From what I read on my EMS/Fire forums, the small services are really struggling. One round-trip patient transfer of 300 miles (the distance from Yakima to Seattle, for example) can tie up a single rig and crew for an entire day. If you only have two or three rigs to begin with, you are crossing your fingers that you don't get slammed with a bunch of acute calls.
So that would be a no, this exact event did not actually happen.
I just love academics and their theoretical hypothetical situations...
A friend of mine at the largest hospital complex in the metro area basically said "The 'Rona is on television, but it sure isn't in the hospital."
What exact event are you referring to? The Seattle Times article did not describe an actual triage event, but rather a plan for triage at some hospitals in Idaho. Did you read the article?
Let me know when they are actually doing battlefield triage and not just talking about it to gin up more fear and clicks.
Let me know when they are actually doing battlefield triage and not just talking about it to gin up more fear and clicks.
And then you'll............Two weeks to flatten the curve of course.
What's the plan after waiting until we have actual battlefield triage in hospitals?
Last year, armed groups patrolled the city’s downtown core to protect against non-existent Black Lives Matter protesters.
Regarding the Northern Idaho stuff, the AP is on it, and blaming Ruby Ridge. ;/
https://www.kivitv.com/news/northern-idahos-anti-government-streak-hampers-covid-fight
One big non-covid lie in the article automatically makes the rest of it bullshit:
There were all kinds of videos showing patrolling citizens and BLM protestors comingling and friendly. The MSM just writes whatever the hell they want.
Regarding the Northern Idaho stuff, the AP is on it, and blaming Ruby Ridge. ;/
https://www.kivitv.com/news/northern-idahos-anti-government-streak-hampers-covid-fight
One big non-covid lie in the article automatically makes the rest of it bullshit:
There were all kinds of videos showing patrolling citizens and BLM protestors comingling and friendly. The MSM just writes whatever the hell they want.
Looks like both sides are just standing around.
https://www.kxly.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-demonstrating-in-coeur-dalene-additional-group-there-to-protect-idaho/
Idaho cases spill over to Spokane: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/idahos-covid-crisis-is-straining-hospitals-across-the-border-in-washington/
This is why we received our first patient from Montana, after they had to bypass Spokane.
news link, related realworld observation
all numbers/news/observations are fake, the truth is unknowable.
I see stupid people at work, old people die all the time.
snarky comment, short & sweet
Fascism!! Tyranny!! Oppression!!
FAKE NEWS
clickbait twitchy link
useless overgeneralizing comment
Is it just me or has this thread has been on repeat for awhile now...Were those all replies to you?
This issue is more political than medical these days.
This issue is more political than medical these days.
(https://c.tenor.com/QaBpjTJlDm8AAAAM/thor-chris-hemsworth.gif)Yeah, pretty much.
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The big lever left to pull (and the one MillCreek keeps yanking) is the one that says: "OMG, PEOPLE CAN'T GET TREATMENT BECAUSE OF ALL THE STUPID UNVAXXED WHO ARE FILLING OUR HOSPITALS TO THE BRIM!" That's the argument used to justify heavy-handed tactics to force compliance. According to that line of thinking, an unvaccinated person is not merely risking their own health and life, they are murdering everyone else by reducing the availability of care.
What is generally left out of that discussion is that as the capacity shortage itself appears to be driven by politics. As is regularly brought up, hospitals are typically designed to operate at near capacity. When it comes to infrastructure, they can expand that capacity to some degree by opening areas that are typically kept closed, repurposing rooms, and even using tents/hospital ships in extreme cases. But it really isn't an infrastructure issue, is it? Even at the height of the pandemic in the US very few of the overflow beds were actually used.
So the limitation is really a staffing issue. More than that, it appears to be a relatively new staffing issue. I can't say with certainty whether that issue is caused by or just exacerbated by the COVID unemployment benefits and by forcing the firing of unvaccinated medical personnel, but I'm fairly confident that if politicians were really concerned about patient outcomes and the availability of care instead pushing an agenda then they'd be making considerably different choices. It comes across to me as the very people who are causing the problem are trying to blame someone else for it.
don't tell me that the left wouldn't be the "anti-vaxxers" and much of the right wouldn't be condemning them for it.You don't even have to make it a 'what if' question, just look back a few years.
vaccination is not about protecting the vaccinated so much as it is about protecting others from disease-carriers. Vaccines are properly understood not on the basis of narrow self-interest but as a defense of the human species.From The Federalist! :O
Fundamentally, the protection against life-threatening plague is one of the original reasons government exists. We’ve had mandatory vaccines for schoolchildren in America since before the Emancipation Proclamation. The Supreme Court has upheld that practice as constitutional for over a century, and only the political fringes believe there ought to be a debate about such matters. This is one of the few areas where government necessarily exercises power.
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If you choose not to vaccinate, private and public institutions should be able to discriminate on that basis. Disneyland should be able to require proof of vaccination as a condition of entry, and so should public schools. You shouldn’t be compelled to vaccinate your child, but neither should the rest of us be compelled to pretend like you did.
Haven't we heard some evidence that vaccinated people have been found to carry the disease?
Except that that conveniently handwaves the parts of the country that are seeing a shortage in capacity. The US is a big place, and there are definitely regions seeing lack of bed space, regardless of staffing.Granted. Local and regional infrastructure can certainly be overwhelmed in the short term. From what I've seen, beds are rarely the problem.
The southeast is one, We saw the story of the Heart patient that couldn't find an ICU bed.An ICU bed or a staffed ICU bed?
Nice false dichotomy. You can't say it's either.??? What false dichotomy? I wasn't saying that the only thing causing a staffing shortage was EITHER unemployment OR firing of people who aren't vaccinated. I was saying that while I can't say the shortages are strictly due to staff lost because of political decisions (including unemployment and firing people), those political choices are contributing to the staffing shortage.
You have no idea if the staff being fired are Med-Surg nurses, ICU nurses, or transport staff.Are you claiming that widespread firing of unvaccinated medical personnel will not impact critical staffing or patient outcomes?
The fact that you think unemployment has any bearing on ICU staffing is retarded. ICU nurses make way more than unemployment pays normally, and the money being thrown around right now for travel nurses is obscene. There is no nurse qualified in patient care sitting at home thinking they'll just rack in that sweet unemployment because it's so much money.;/ Yeah, dogmush, I'm sure I didn't consider that. Except nursing isn't the only high-paying career that is shorthanded. Plenty of people who could be making a lot more money by working are enjoying not working more than the extra money. But if you think that isn't happening in the nursing field too then ... okay. Sure.
People's responses to the pandemic sure seem to be political though. Pick a tribe and Ride or Die. That's the new American way.Clearly.
Granted. Local and regional infrastructure can certainly be overwhelmed in the short term. From what I've seen, beds are rarely the problem. I can only speak for sure around here, but around here they are. They dropped many of the minimum staffing regs or slammed NON-ICU staff into ICU's with oversite to staff every bed they had. So Tampa's shortages seem to be beds and equipment since early(ish) summer.
An ICU bed or a staffed ICU bed? That dude specifically, I don't know. The article is in this thread.
??? What false dichotomy? I wasn't saying that the only thing causing a staffing shortage was EITHER unemployment OR firing of people who aren't vaccinated. I was saying that while I can't say the shortages are strictly due to staff lost because of political decisions (including unemployment and firing people), those political choices are contributing to the staffing shortage. I read that as you couldn't tell whether it was firings or unemployment causing the shortage, implying it had to be one or the other. I see on a second read that's not what you typed. I apologize for the misread.
Are you claiming that widespread firing of unvaccinated medical personnel will not impact critical staffing or patient outcomes? I'm not, as yet, convinced there will be "widespread" firings. Again the Local hospitals are where I have firsthand knowledge from people there and the chance to listen in on meetings. Around here hospital staff is low to mid 80%'s vaccinated, and people treating COVID is upper 90%'s vaccinated. Not all of those are going to quit/be fired over this. So while 5-10% staffing drop will be very bad, That's not "widespread" (IMO) and it tends to not be in critical areas. Other areas may differ.
;/ Yeah, dogmush, I'm sure I didn't consider that. Except nursing isn't the only high-paying career that is shorthanded. Plenty of people who could be making a lot more money by working are enjoying not working more than the extra money. But if you think that isn't happening in the nursing field too then ... okay. Sure. I don't think the CARE Act payment levels are effecting a nursing shortage that's been in the news for 15 years. There hasn't been a mass exodus of nurses in the last 18 months. You are the one making the claim, so I will leave it to you to find articles or interviews, or even tik toks of ICU nurses staying home for those sweet unemployment benis.
Clearly. If you are pointing back at me on this one you have the wrong guy. I've changed or moderated my position on COVID several times just on this board. When it comes to the modern American tribes [parties] I'm trying to start the Mercutio Party (A pox on BOTH your houses!).
When it comes to the modern American tribes [parties] I'm trying to start the Mercutio Party (A pox on BOTH your houses!).
There has been a growing nursing shortage in some areas of the country for many years. This is not a new thing. One of the major limiting factors is not enough open slots in nursing schools, so there are not enough persons in the training pipeline.I understand. My point is simply that to the extent which patient outcomes are dependent on the availability of a limited resource such as trained nurses, artificially reducing the quantity of that resource is unlikely to improve the situation. In my opinion, people championing forceful means to reduce the demand side of the equation while simultaneously enacting policies which directly reduce the supply side of the equation are not acting in good faith and clearly do not actually care about the patient outcomes which they are using as justification for their political agenda.
A bed, for purposes of capacity, is a staffed bed. So when a hospital says it has 24 med surg or ICU beds available, that means it has staffing for 24 beds. They may physically have 50 beds in the wards, but since there is no staffing to put a patient in them, they are not counted as capacity beds.I'm clear.
I'm not, as yet, convinced there will be "widespread" firings. Again the Local hospitals are where I have firsthand knowledge from people there and the chance to listen in on meetings. Around here hospital staff is low to mid 80%'s vaccinated, and people treating COVID is upper 90%'s vaccinated. Not all of those are going to quit/be fired over this. So while 5-10% staffing drop will be very bad, That's not "widespread" (IMO) and it tends to not be in critical areas. Other areas may differ.Regardless of whether you would personally consider a 5-10% cut in available medical personnel to be "widespread" can we agree that such a decrease in staffing would likely not help the situation for the specific edge cases such as locations where they are already turning away some patients requiring critical care?
Only if it was a loss of staffing from the staff members that provide critical care, or are willing to be trained to provide critical care.=D Whew, that's good then.
As I said, again only speaking for around here where I have actual knowledge, critical care staffing is in the upper 90%'s vaccinated. So no, i don't think that whatever small percentage of healthcare workers actually stands firm and is fired over this is likely to affect critical care outcomes very much.
Before the cameras arrived vs after… COVID theater. This is why we don’t trust these people
https://twitter.com/CarlHigbie/status/1437449967413649413?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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“It’s now been shown in that paper and others that the breadth of that immune response in terms of T and B cell memory populations is more diverse and more long-lasting than the breadth of immune response elicited by the spike-based vaccines alone,” Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the class of vaccines based on messenger RNA, said on Epoch TV’s “American Thought Leaders” program.
"Even if we had 100% vaccine uptake with these vaccines…we would not be able to stop the spread of the virus through the US population. We would slow it."
Federal health authorities acknowledge natural immunity exists but have continued to claim that the protection from vaccines is better, pointing to a different set of studies, including one from Kentucky published by state and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) researchers.
And this is one of the main reasons people get mad at mask and vaccine mandates and show vaccine hesitancy or just plain don't give a *expletive deleted*it. These "leaders" constantly chastise us while incidents like this are ridiculously common. When they don't follow their own rules (when the cameras are off) they are going to drive fence sitters to the side opposite theirs. And they don't even apologize about this stuff. Instead they are outraged that they are called out and they scream "white supremacist domestic terrorist Trumpers!"
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/landlord-says-tenants-must-get-covid-vaccine-you-dont-want-to-get-vaccinated-you-have-to-move/
This is the first I have heard of having to get vaccinated to get or keep your apartment.
Sounds like a landlord is about to lose his apartments in a lawsuit.
Or slapped down by the government. Violating rights is reserved for the government.
Does Hippa apply here or not? I'm seriously asking
Does Hippa [sic] apply here or not?
HIPPA, HIPAA :P
We are still the side that is against using the government to coerce private citizens into doing business with people they don't want to, right?
So they do it, then we do it, then they don't like something we do, so they get worse, then we get worse in a descending spiral? (I mean, in your defense, that's clearly what does, in fact, happen)
I do my best to base my actions and responses on my principals, not other peoples actions. I am not perfect at it, but that's the goal.
It does not, says the guy who does HIPAA for a living.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/u-s-will-require-most-new-immigrants-to-get-coronavirus-vaccine/
Immigrants to the US required to be vaccinated.
I can't tell for sure from the article, but it sounds like that's a requirement for the people legally standing in line, and not the illegals being processed through the Southern border?That’s correct. Next question?
That’s correct. Next question?
The Italian government on Thursday approved among the strictest COVID-19 rules in the world by mandating that all private and public sector employees get the vaccine and show proof of vaccination, a negative test, or a recent recovery from infection, officials said.
Results
The reviewed literature suggests that there seems to be sufficient evidence about the safety of oral ivermectin, as well as the efficacy of the drug in the early-treatment and the prophylaxis of COVID-19.
Indiana University Health said more than 300 were suspended for two weeks, unpaid, to either get the vaccine or risk termination. That period that ended Tuesday, Sept. 14, and IU Health said 125 people left the system.
A positive article on natural immunity from the Washington Post, no less. Almost all the reader comments attacked the article, which to me, really showed how politics trumps science in the US compared to other countries.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/
Some Republican governors have picked up on public frustration over how the scientific guidance is inconsistent with the data, with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis accusing the Biden administration of “not following science” by crafting its vaccine mandate without taking into consideration “infection-conferred immunity.”
Public health officials changing their position on natural immunity, after so much hostility toward the idea, would go a long way in rebuilding the public trust.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/19/1038369557/ivermectin-anti-vaccine-movement-culture-wars?utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR1QIixZqYkMqMErphNlDD_8T1yiYfksCEjiPzXj4mjRt1bY96PpOPxjwU4
I will be interested to read the results of the current large-scale studies being done.
leftists are deliberately looking to manipulate Trump supporters into not getting vaccinated.But wait! What if this article is double-secret-reverse-psychology? [tinfoil]
They’re all vaccinated, and we’re not! And when you look at the numbers, the only numbers that matter, which is who’s dying, it’s overwhelmingly the unvaccinated who are dying, and they have just manipulated millions of their political enemies into the unvaccinated camp.
This article has been pretty visible on twitter lately.But wait! What if this article is double-secret-reverse-psychology? [tinfoil]
=D
https://okcfox.com/news/local/doctors-warn-consuming-betadine-wont-cure-covid-could-be-deadlySo did anyone actually do this or did it just allegedly happen? The articles are just reporting that the warning showed up on the internet.
https://www.newsweek.com/some-anti-vaxxers-are-allegedly-gargling-antiseptic-betadine-covid-cure-1629091
Regardless of your feelings about Big Pharma and Big Medicine, you probably should not be drinking Betadine to treat COVID.
https://okcfox.com/news/local/doctors-warn-consuming-betadine-wont-cure-covid-could-be-deadly
https://www.newsweek.com/some-anti-vaxxers-are-allegedly-gargling-antiseptic-betadine-covid-cure-1629091
Regardless of your feelings about Big Pharma and Big Medicine, you probably should not be drinking Betadine to treat COVID.
I guess I have heard of doing that with a saline solution. Never heard of doing it with anything else.
https://okcfox.com/news/local/doctors-warn-consuming-betadine-wont-cure-covid-could-be-deadly
https://www.newsweek.com/some-anti-vaxxers-are-allegedly-gargling-antiseptic-betadine-covid-cure-1629091
Regardless of your feelings about Big Pharma and Big Medicine, you probably should not be drinking Betadine to treat COVID.
I don’t necessarily doubt that this has happened. I mean, people ate farking tide pods after all.
But is this legitimately a widespread problem, or another fraudulent attempt at making conservatives look like morons? Shades of ivermectin od’s clogging hospitals in OK City come to mind.
I don’t necessarily doubt that this has happened. I mean, people ate farking tide pods after all.
But is this legitimately a widespread problem, or another fraudulent attempt at making conservatives look like morons? Shades of ivermectin od’s clogging hospitals in OK City come to mind.
Yes, this is the problem. Two people do it, and suddenly the MSM says that "everyone in flyover country" is taking "horse dewormer".
Says something about the times we live in when I can't tell if this satire or not
The Trans-Vaccinated movement is growing.
https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1439859456175652867?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F
I am down with his movement. Turn about is fair play.
Says something about the times we live in when I'm having doubts this is satire
The Trans-Vaccinated movement is growing.
https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1439859456175652867?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F
Nobody I know who is unvaccinated is doing it to spite the left.
They have concerns about taking a gene therapy treatment that hasn't gone through long term trials.
They have concerns about it not lasting very long and needing boosters indefinitely.
They have concerns about ADE (Antibody-dependent Enhancement).
They have concerns about the vaccine not keeping you from contracting or spreading Covid-19.
They have concerns about the historically unprecedented levels of adverse reactions being reported.
They have concerns about why the establishment is ignoring natural immunity of those who already have had Covid, unlike so many other nations on earth.
There are plenty of folks who chafe at the tyrannical and anti-liberty aspects, having some of the above concerns as well as others as well.
Many folks no longer trust the medical institutions or the government based upon their observations and experiences over the years.
Ugh. If they're going to parody the transexual movement, they should learn the terminology, and the mindset, and get it right.
Hey, remember when they told us we couldn't spend Thanksgiving with family?Money and influence are cures/preventatives for COVID. Didn't you know that?
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/09/20/l-a-dept-of-public-health-explains-why-mask-less-emmy-awards-were-not-in-violation-of-mandate-just-guess-why-hint-theyre-special/
Anyway, the health dept didn't seem to explain why the servants still had to wear masks when supposedly everyone went through the same "protocols".
Money and influence are cures/preventatives for COVID. Didn't you know that?
Angus Dalgleish, Professor of Oncology at St Georges, University of London, who struggled to get work published showing that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) had been carrying out “gain of function” work for years before the pandemic, said the research may have gone ahead even without the funding.
“This is clearly a gain of function, engineering the cleavage site and polishing the new viruses to enhance human cell infectibility in more than one cell line,” he said.
Most employers require a positive test for you to get your fancy COVID two weeks.
It's not like calling in sick on Monday after a party.
We’ve had an employee gin up two “positive” result notifications and get two periods of COVID vacation, and brag about it. One miraculous positive result struck three days after he got back from a normal week’s vacation. He also got caught literally falsifying clockins and nothing, not even a write up happened to him.
Most employers require a positive test for you to get your fancy COVID two weeks.
It's not like calling in sick on Monday after a party.
Costco is reinstituting purchase limits on some products, including bottled water and toilet paper.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/23/costco-brings-back-purchase-limits-on-toilet-paper-and-more.html
I heard an interesting analysis this morning. While the MSM is doing direct links to covid for Costco's decision, apparently a Costco exec has said it's only part of the issue. The other part is supply chain issues. Costco has leased a half dozen cargo ships in hopes of keeping up with 2022, let alone 2021.
They also said inflation is playing a role in that their costs continue to rise, and if someone is told something they buy for $1 this week is going to be $1.50 next week, they are going to hoard this week.
They expect to be in short supply for a lot of stuff for holiday purchasing. If I want that 65" TV, maybe I'd better get it now. :laugh:
Have they actually isolated a true "Delta variant" or are they just basing the variant designation on observed symptoms that differ from the original infection?
It's a different variant with a distinct genome.
https://gvn.org/covid-19/delta-b-1-617-2/
It's a different variant with a distinct genome.
https://gvn.org/covid-19/delta-b-1-617-2/
Dammit, once again only vaccine efficacy is mentioned, and nothing about Covid A natural immunity antibody efficacy to the Delta.
I'm starting to feel like I need to demand 40 acres and a mule.
Vaccine Efficacy
Use of a live virus assay showed that the B.1.617.1 variant is 6.8-fold more resistant to neutralization by sera from COVID-19 convalescent and Moderna and Pfizer vaccinated individuals.
Despite this, a majority of the sera from convalescent individuals and all sera from vaccinated individuals were still able to neutralize the B.1.617.1 variant.
Protective immunity by the mRNA vaccines tested here are likely retained against the B.1.617.1 variant. This needs to be further evaluated by evaluating clinical data from vaccinated individuals.
In the U.K. trial, efficacy of 2-dose Pfizer vaccine against this variant was 87.9% (93.4% against B.1.1.7); 2-dose AstraZeneca showed 59.8% efficacy against this variant and 66.1% against B.1.1.7.
Today, my 10-6 called in, said he would be late. Never showed.
(I was there at 0715)
The 12-8 showed up around 1300, IIRC.
5-10 #1 showed up spot on, as is normal for him.
5-10 #2 was about a half hour late, Which, frankly, is a lot better than we expected.
I'm tired.
I got out at 1735 or so.
I'm not, as yet, convinced there will be "widespread" firings. Again the Local hospitals are where I have firsthand knowledge from people there and the chance to listen in on meetings. Around here hospital staff is low to mid 80%'s vaccinated, and people treating COVID is upper 90%'s vaccinated. Not all of those are going to quit/be fired over this. So while 5-10% staffing drop will be very bad, That's not "widespread" (IMO) and it tends to not be in critical areas. Other areas may differ.
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I understand NYS at least, is bringing in National Guard to substitute for fired employees. I wonder how widespread that will be? I have no idea as to what percentage of NG (and I guess it would vary by state) are medically trained to fill in. At some poiunt, you might run out of them as well.
EDIT: Of course when I use one of those Millcreek "look at the post above mine" arrows, I end up starting a new page. :laugh:
I'm referring to Dogmush's previous post.
I've heard that not all of the military personnel are onboard with getting the vax. I'd bet there are a few Reservists/Guard that feel the same way, and haven't gotten vaxed.
If that's the case, what's the state/organization going to do if a non-vaxed Reservist/Guard gets assigned to their area of responsibility? It would be stupid, but in line with their policy, if they refuse the assistance of that member.
https://abc7.com/covid-mandate-air-travel-feinstein-bill-vaccine-proof-flights-negative-test/11061172/
Diane Feinstein is Ben's newest best friend: she has sponsored legislation calling for vaccination, negative testing, or recovery from illness as COVID prerequisites for domestic air travel.
https://abc7.com/covid-mandate-air-travel-feinstein-bill-vaccine-proof-flights-negative-test/11061172/
Diane Feinstein is Ben's newest best friend: she has sponsored legislation calling for vaccination, negative testing, or recovery from illness as COVID prerequisites for domestic air travel.
This just in: Justice Kavanaugh tests positive. I hope he recovers quickly.
From what? Testing positive?
From the article: "On Thursday evening, Justice Kavanaugh was informed that he had tested positive for Covid-19," the statement said. "He has no symptoms and has been fully vaccinated since January."
From what? Testing positive?
From the article: "On Thursday evening, Justice Kavanaugh was informed that he had tested positive for Covid-19," the statement said. "He has no symptoms and has been fully vaccinated since January."
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/10/01/merck-says-experimental-pill-cuts-worst-effects-of-coronavirus/
This might be encouraging.
Read a few stories earlier that this new drug is either chemically very similar to ivermectin, or just rebadged ivermectin. Not sure how accurate the stories were, but it does make one wonder.
Read a few stories earlier that this new drug is either chemically very similar to ivermectin, or just rebadged ivermectin. Not sure how accurate the stories were, but it does make one wonder.
I think it is Pfizer that was working on a drug that is similar to ivermectin. Like Rocketman I just recall reading something about it, no real knowledge outside of an article where it was mentioned.
One thing we can all agree on: whomever is first to market with a reliable oral treatment for Covid is going to be making money hand over fist.
As long as it isn't a generic...
You know, like some other stuff that some folks said worked...
One thing we can all agree on: whomever is first to market with a reliable oral treatment for Covid is going to be making money hand over fist.
https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-releases-popular-new-drug-pfivermectin
How Russia uses antibody tests:
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-russia-antibody-tests-effe47523f80991e55c710cc585e118c
Glad your on the mend, congrats on joining the natural immunity club!
The immune systems of the vast majority of people who have been infected with the CCP virus will continue to carry antibodies against the virus for at least 12 months, according to a peer-reviewed study accepted by the European Journal of Immunology on Sept. 24.
Scientists at the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare studied the presence of antibodies in 1,292 subjects eight months after infection. They found that 96 percent of the subjects still carried neutralizing antibodies and 66 percent still carried a type of antibody called nucleoprotein IgG.
The scientists then investigated antibody levels one year after infection by randomly selecting 367 subjects from the original cohort who had not yet been vaccinated. Eighty-nine percent of the subjects still carried neutralizing antibodies, and 36 percent still carried the IgG antibody.
Antibody levels were higher in subjects who had experienced severe COVID-19 disease. Compared to those who had mild disease, these subjects had two to seven times as many antibodies for at least 13 months after infection.
“Studies of individuals who have recovered from [CCP virus] infection are crucial in determining for how long antibodies persist after infection and whether these antibodies protect against re-infection,” the scientists wrote (pdf).
Despite lasting protection against the original strain of the CCP virus, the study found that the neutralization efficiency against the Alpha, Beta, and Delta variants waned over time. The reduction in efficiency was “considerably declined” for the Beta variant and was “only slightly reduced” against the Alpha variant. For the Delta variant, which is the dominant strain in the United States, the study found that 80 percent of the subjects still had immune protection 12 months after infection.
As fast as COVID is mutating, I am not very sanguine on the long term effectiveness of either vaccination or natural immunity.
I found it interesting that in the papers I linked to, they showed natural immunity to be less effective against Beta compared to Delta. I don't really know anything about viral mutations, but I thought viruses continued mutation away from immunity. I would have figured the Delta variant to be more prone to ignore natural immunity from Alpha than the Beta variant.
Antibody levels generated by two shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine can undergo up to a 10-fold decrease seven months following the second vaccination, research suggests.
The drop in antibody levels will compromise the body’s ability to defend itself against COVID-19 if the individual becomes infected.
In a recent BioRxiv study published ahead of peer-review, many recipients of the vaccine displayed substantial waning of antibodies to the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, or SARS-CoV-2, and its variants including Delta, Beta, and Mu.
Bali Pulendran of Stanford University and Mehul Suthar of Emory University told Reuters that the study shows “vaccination with the Pfizer-BioNtech vaccine induces high levels of neutralizing antibodies against the original vaccine strain, but these levels drop by nearly 10-fold by seven months.”
While the body has other defense mechanisms in place to ward off the virus, Pulendran and Suthar added that antibodies “are critically important in protecting against SARS-CoV-2 infection.”
The study focused on 46 healthy participants who had received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The participants’ blood was tested once after receiving the second vaccination and once again after six months.
Researchers suggested administering a third booster vaccination as a measure to improve vaccine efficacy.
This study is on vaccines. Still awaiting peer review:
More at:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/vaccine-antibodies-decline-7-months-after-second-shot-us-study_4029247.html
I found it interesting that in the papers I linked to, they showed natural immunity to be less effective against Beta compared to Delta. I don't really know anything about viral mutations, but I thought viruses continued mutation away from immunity. I would have figured the Delta variant to be more prone to ignore natural immunity from Alpha than the Beta variant.
Keep in mind that mutation is essentially random.Right, but the mutants that survive tend to be the ones for which the mutation increases their chance of survival in their environments.
At this point in time I'm just looking at the numbers. Reinfection is still so rare that there is little to nothing out there about it on the web. It's not a thing.
Keep in mind that mutation is essentially random.
The nice nurse just came to my office and gave me a flu shot.
Hopefully it will work on this year's variant. It's always a bit hit or miss in that regard.
The couple of times I got a flu shot I always felt a bit cruddy afterwards. It was just for a day and nothing major. And I don't recall getting the flu afterwards, either. But then again I almost never get the flu. I'm probably not a good data point with regards to flu shot efficacy.
https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-releases-popular-new-drug-pfivermectin
The nice nurse just came to my office and gave me a flu shot.
The vaccine manufacturers have to guess several months ago which flu strains will be circulating this fall, place the orders and start incubating the eggs and making the vaccines. Sometimes the guess is spot on and other times not so much.
https://ground.news/article/covid-19-coronavirus-spreading-virulently-in-wuhan-much-earlier-than-previously-thought-report-suggestsGiven the amount of travel, does that mean it was already spread to a lot of places around the world before it was ever publicly reported on? I recall many wondering why California didn't see a spike in cases early on. Maybe they did, but before anyone knew there was something new. I remember the people who went to SHOT show 2020 talking about catching the usual bug there and getting hit pretty hard. I guess that is all speculation.
Based on the purchase history of lab testing materials, COVID may have been present in Wuhan for some months before the PRC reported it in December 2019.
https://ground.news/article/covid-19-coronavirus-spreading-virulently-in-wuhan-much-earlier-than-previously-thought-report-suggests
Based on the purchase history of lab testing materials, COVID may have been present in Wuhan for some months before the PRC reported it in December 2019.
https://ground.news/article/covid-19-coronavirus-spreading-virulently-in-wuhan-much-earlier-than-previously-thought-report-suggests
Based on the purchase history of lab testing materials, COVID may have been present in Wuhan for some months before the PRC reported it in December 2019.
Doesn't surprise me at all.
Our good friends in the PRC wouldn't try to cover up a pandemic, would they?
A Colorado woman with stage 5 renal failure is scrambling to find a new hospital to perform a kidney transplant after a health system in the state denied the transplant due to her and her donor being unvaccinated against the coronavirus.
"Here I am, willing to be a direct donor to her. It does not affect any other patient on the transplant list," Jaimee Fougner, Leilani Lutali’s kidney donor, told CBS4. "How can I sit here and allow them to murder my friend when I’ve got a perfectly good kidney and can save her life?"
Lutali said she received a letter from Colorado health system UCHealth at the end of September explaining that she and Fougner have 30 days to begin the vaccine process. They would be removed from the kidney transplant list if they refuse the shots.
Or gee... Would they engineer a pandemic to cover up something else? They were having problems with Hong Kong dissidents earlier in 2019.
No dissidents, no problems.
Of course they would. But I don't think they did.
But they might try it if they thought (among other things) the PRC could reduce their "surplus population". They might even have hoped that it would reduce those "ethnic minorities" that they are already trying to eradicate (the Uighurs).
But they might try it if they thought (among other things) the PRC could reduce their "surplus population". They might even have hoped that it would reduce those "ethnic minorities" that they are already trying to eradicate (the Uighurs).I was thinking it would give them an excuse to disappear people.
On one hand, this is good advice based on common sense — get your flu shot, which is even more important in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic. On the other, though, CDC director Rochelle Walensky offers a contradiction in support of it. Thanks to the masking and social distancing imposed to stop the spread of COVID-19, she argues, the flu didn’t spread much last year, leaving the “herd” less immune this fall and winter. That puts us at greater risk of having both a bad flu and COVID-19 season this year.
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/10/08/cdc-director-get-ready-for-a-twindemic-this-fall-n421147
:facepalm:
I'm not sure what to make of this.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/oct/8/more-americans-have-died-covid-under-biden-trump-j/
Apparently, by the John Hopkins numbers, there have been more Covid deaths under the Biden admin than from Mar. to Dec. of 2020. Haven't gone through the #s from the source material yet.
Is that a result of the pandemic going endemic, and most of the country going back to business as usual in many respects? Or is the vaccine just not worth it? Is the new administration to blame?
Wyoming high school student arrested for not wearing a mask at school:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/a-wyoming-high-school-student-refused-to-wear-a-mask-so-police-locked-down-the-entire-school-and-arrested-her
Of course, the entire school was placed on lockdown as well.
SMDH
So, how long before sales of aspirin are prohibited?Aspirin? You mean that canine anti-inflammatory drug?
I take a full strength aspirin tablet every day because of the known risk of Factor V Leiden.
I drink Brawndo. It's got electrolytes.
I drink Brawndo. It's got electrolytes.
I could really use a Starbucks.
Does it have electrolytes?
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/astounding-new-study-shows-using-a-pulse-oximeter-saves-covid-patients-lives/
Maybe we should all get ourselves a pulse oximeter for Christmas. You can get a good one at Amazon for under $ 30.
What I know about the covids...
It loves quarters, but isn't so worried about pennies (we can't get more than two rolls of quarters from our bank).
They say the problem with coins is that they're not recirculating the way they normally do. So it's supposed to be a problem of distribution; not supply. FWIWIt would also help if they were silver coated also, but I doubt that will happen.
Regarding the diagnosis of COVID-19 through widely-used PCR tests, the senators said that the CDC and the FDA’s setting of one particular test parameter—the cycle threshold—generated “false positives resulting in inflated numbers of COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.”
Harvard epidemiologist Dr. Michael Mina told The New York Times in August 2020 that tests with too high of a threshold may detect not just live viruses but also genetic fragments. Mina suggested setting the cut-off at 30 cycles or less.
Thatcher expressed concern over the cycle threshold of 28 when testing vaccinated individuals. According to the petition, a low cut-off is likely to “eliminate false positive results and thereby reduce the number of vaccine ‘breakthrough’ cases.”
“The president wants to make fundamental change in our economy, and he feels coming out of the pandemic is exactly the time to do that,” Psaki said. “And if we don’t do it now, if we don’t address the cost of childcare, to go back to Josh’s question earlier, if we don’t address the climate crisis, if we don’t ensure that universal pre-k is a reality now, we’re not going to have the same opportunity to do it for some time.”So getting out of this pandemic may not be their primary goal. And you wonder why some want to question everything that comes from the FedGov on this subject.
Psaki: Biden Wants To Use Pandemic To ‘Make Fundamental Change In Our Economy’
https://www.dailywire.com/news/psaki-biden-wants-to-use-pandemic-to-make-fundamental-change-in-our-economy?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
So getting out of this pandemic may not be their primary goal. And you wonder why some want to question everything that comes from the FedGov on this subject.
I don't know if this is a case of "saying the quiet part out loud", but I always feel that 30 years ago a Democrat official would say the same thing, but in a much more subtle and more deniable way. The left has very little subtlety these days.
Aldi's business model is based on prioritizing low cost and high margin. It wouldn't surprise me if they can't get trucking for the price they want, they simply don't pay. I don't think there's much cheap trucking out there right now. All the truckers I know are telling me I should quit my job, buy a truck and go make $5k/week.Is that for long haul cross country driving?
Psaki: Biden Wants To Use Pandemic To ‘Make Fundamental Change In Our Economy’
https://www.dailywire.com/news/psaki-biden-wants-to-use-pandemic-to-make-fundamental-change-in-our-economy?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
So getting out of this pandemic may not be their primary goal. And you wonder why some want to question everything that comes from the FedGov on this subject.
I don't know if this is a case of "saying the quiet part out loud", but I always feel that 30 years ago a Democrat official would say the same thing, but in a much more subtle and more deniable way. The left has very little subtlety these days.
I went to Aldi yesterday, and about half the shelves were empty. (there was plenty of TP, but I didn't need that) It was kind of alarming. They said they are having trouble getting supplied from their warehouse.
How many Aldi's do you have in your area? There are three Aldi's within three miles of each other and two Ruler's about the same distance. Both stores have had some missing items but the Ruler and Aldi I usually go to (~1 mi. apart) were still well stocked as of last Saturday.
"Yesterday they were selling whole boneless NY Strips for $5.99 a pound."
Occasionally... very occasionally, I'll see prices like that at one of the local grocery stores, but normally only on 3 lb.+ packs.
I rarely eat beef anymore, but the next time I see one of those on sale I may grab a pack.
But, my local chain has on sale this week Angus Choice chuck roasts for $3.99 a pound. That I'm going to jump on and grab a couple because winter is time for beef stew, beef boogaloo, and borscht, not to mention a slow cooker pot roast.
Wife wants me to make a bunch of beef jerky for son-in-law's Christmas gift. I looked at some beef round yesterday that was on sale for $4.99 a pound and just couldn't buy it; too much fat to trim off. And I can buy decent beef jerky cheaper than that. The sirloin tip roasts for $5.49 looked better, but I'm going to hold out for a better price somewhere. Waiting might be a mistake. I should probably talk to the butcher at the local store that still has one; see if he has any deals coming, or if he can make me a deal on a 30# box.
"and London Broil works well, too."
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I don't know how it is where you are, but London Broil was on sale at my store last week...
For $7.99 a pound.
ON SALE. :mad:
You do NOT want to know what skirt steak is bringing these days.
Interesting supercut regarding Joe Rogan, CNN, and "horse dewormer". I hope Rogan follows through and sues them.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1448986127545864199
It was $3.99 a pound for the truckload sale at the store I mentioned above. SWMBO has commanded me to go get some for homemade beef jerky.
And now a LOT of people are not trusting medical professionals. Not just about specifics, but as a generality.
Interesting supercut regarding Joe Rogan, CNN, and "horse dewormer". I hope Rogan follows through and sues them.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1448986127545864199
Who else remembers when Joe Rogan was that guy on News Radio? =D
Who else remembers when Joe Rogan was that guy on News Radio? =D
Who else remembers when Joe Rogan was that guy on News Radio? =D
Ruth Marcus
@RuthMarcus
In Madison, Wis. By now I should know better but: I get in elevator. It stops on lower floor. Man steps in, unmasked. Sign in elevator says masks required. Me, getting out: “you know, it would be really nice if you wore a mask.” Man: “I don’t care what you think.” America 2021.
Great show. I really liked the boss, Jimmy James, played by Stephen Root.
Sounds like a guy for whom I would buy a beer. We need more of this in America 2021, not less.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/10/17/not-all-heroes-wear-capes-wapo-editor-whining-about-maskless-man-who-didnt-allow-her-to-nag-and-shame-him-goes-hilariously-wrong/
I know it's hard to believe, but I made a mistake regarding the price of the London Broil. It was actually $6.99 a pound. It was chuck roast that was $3.99/lb. I went back to that grocery store to get some and discovered the mistake. I ended up with a large whole eye of round at $4.99/lb instead. Beef jerky time!
I also got about a pound of pulled pork BBQ and some grape corn and caramel corn. Yes, grape corn. Like caramel corn but with a grape candy coating instead. I'd never heard of such a thing. They had just made a fresh batch in the deli and offered me a sample. Good stuff.
He's not the only one. Note she's the only one without a mask
https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1449848861057376256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
It's gotten to the point where's it's not that we're not suppose to notice, the curtain got pulled open on that a long time ago, but we're suppose to not say anything now.
He's not the only one. Note she's the only one without a mask
https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1449848861057376256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Do you drive a newer diesel?
Go get a box of DEF. Or two.
I had to call around today to find some for a customer.
From CNN:https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/10/23/covid-19-strikes-again-this-time-preventing-the-release-of-the-jfk-assassination-files/
The White House announced late Friday that it would further postpone the release of more documents related to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy, pointing to the “significant impact” of the Covid-19 pandemic.
President Joe Biden issued a memo that said the national archivist recommended he “‘direct two public releases of the information that has ultimately ‘been determined to be appropriate for release to the public.'” The first will be an “interim release” later this year, with a second, “more comprehensive release in late 2022,” the memo said.
The memo said that the Covid-19 pandemic has slowed down the process of reviewing whether redactions continue to meet the “statutory standard.”
Do you drive a newer diesel?
Go get a box of DEF. Or two.
I had to call around today to find some for a customer.
“A witness stated a man disagreed with the protest, entered his vehicle and intentionally drove toward the protesters,” Deputy Trina Schrader said in a statement. “The suspect then drove away westbound and out of view.”He was arrested.
The injured woman, who is in her 40s, was taken to a hospital because of injuries that were not life-threatening, Schrader said. Her name was not released.Now I am curious how serious this was. Gotta be video.
Well, damn... They gonna outlaw that next...
Anyone have any knowledge what's in the pill?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDxLjYPUUAE3-nL?format=jpg&name=large)...but the vaccine mandate doesn't apply to Congress and congressional aides right? I heard that a while back. Not sure if it actually happened.
For context, this is the Getty bazillionaire wedding. There were over 800 people. The justification was that they were all vaccinated. Sort of like Congress, where everyone is vaccinated and Pelosi is fining non-mask wearers thousands of dollars.
Interesting that vaccines are 100% effective in preventing covid in some settings, and only the same as flu vaccines in others.
Using data from our city health dept dashboard as of today:
71.28% of COVID-19 cases are in age ranges 49 years and under.
93.9% of all deaths are in age ranges 50 years and over and in what is essentially a very steep Bell Curve centered somewhere around 75-80 yrs of age.
Overall average mortality rate: 1.3%
Average mortality rate, 49 years and younger: 0.12%
Average mortality rage, 50 years and older: 4.40%
No mention of co-morbidities or contributing factors.
https://cityoflubbock.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/4d4ca75991f6424892bc04a3f873f009 (https://cityoflubbock.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/4d4ca75991f6424892bc04a3f873f009)
Brad
Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
United States government official
A wall will not stop the coronavirus.
Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it.
This disease could impact every nation and any person on the planet — and we need a plan to combat it.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.19.21266555v1
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/protection-offered-by-booster-shot-beats-natural-immunity-study-suggests/
It is becoming more clear that COVID immunity, whether by vaccine or infection, has a shelf life and fades over time.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.19.21266555v1
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/protection-offered-by-booster-shot-beats-natural-immunity-study-suggests/
It is becoming more clear that COVID immunity, whether by vaccine or infection, has a shelf life and fades over time.
Kind of like the … flu or colds?
It’s well past time to treat Covid as endemic rather than as a pandemic. Encourage jabs, just like for seasonal flu, and otherwise stop obsessing over it.
And yet there are plenty of recent studies that make the opposite case. What and who are we to believe?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.19.21266555v1
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/protection-offered-by-booster-shot-beats-natural-immunity-study-suggests/
It is becoming more clear that COVID immunity, whether by vaccine or infection, has a shelf life and fades over time.
I want to know why they are skipping all over the Greek alphabet? They had a perfect opportunity to name this new variant Xi and let it pass by. Pussies!!
bob
And yet there are plenty of recent studies that make the opposite case. What and who are we to believe?
On the other hand I'm not seeing or hearing much in the way of reinfections resulting in persons getting ill anywhere.I personally know several.
Bogie - my condolences on the loss of your friend Kay.
Holy crap. I'd rather die of the covids than turn into this. Props to Walmart for banning him from their store.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1464437031917002757
It really hurts to think how far into the sewer my home state has descended. I was back in Tigard about a month ago visiting family. We went to a few restaurants while I was there, and some folks unreasoning fear of the beer virus was palpable. Unfortunately, that fear was also exhibited by some of my relatives.
Same with me and when I talk to people from CA. It's two different worlds, and each one thinks the other is nuts. I just prefer my flavor of nuts because while there might be more risk, there's a heck of a lot more freedom.
I don't have to go nearly that far to find the different varieties of nuts. Here in rural NV a mere 60 miles or so from the big city of Las Vegas the attitudes are quite different. There is a small but growing group in LV that are beginning to see the light and realize the only way to get to it is to not comply with whatever mask mandates are in place where they want to go.
bob
The numbers for this fall are so far very far short of this time last year. Our highest recorded number of new cases in one day was 1,174, on 19 November, last year. On 19 November this year, there were 240 new cases recorded. The same day last year, there were 16 Covid deaths recorded, versus 1 this year. (Our record number of deaths in one day was 25, which was a few weeks after 19 November last year.)
Thanks to the Trump vaccines?
Holy crap. I'd rather die of the covids than turn into this. Props to Walmart for banning him from their store.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1464437031917002757
I don't spend much time looking at national covid stats, but I've been following the stats in St Louis County, MO, where I live. The numbers for this fall are so far very far short of this time last year. Our highest recorded number of new cases in one day was 1,174, on 19 November, last year. On 19 November this year, there were 240 new cases recorded. The same day last year, there were 16 Covid deaths recorded, versus 1 this year. (Our record number of deaths in one day was 25, which was a few weeks after 19 November last year.)
Granted, you could say I’m cherry-picking, but I’m really just giving an example illustrative of the trend. My source:
https://stlouiscountymo.gov/st-louis-county-departments/public-health/covid-19/covid-19-data-reports/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/30/health/molnupiravir-pill-covid-fda-advisers/index.html
First oral med for COVID is recommended for approval by the FDA. Additional data is showing that it is not as effective as originally hoped. FDA approval is nonetheless expected.
Not saying they shouldn’t develop those new drugs. In fact, I heartily support that development. But it makes it look like a naked money and power grab the way they’re going. Probably because that is what they’re doing.
Why not trial ivermectin, HCQ, etc? They’re cheap, and safety at certain doses is known from decades of use for other purposes, so only question is efficacy. If they don’t work it’ll put to bed a lot conspiracy theories, at least among those that pay attention to such studies. Instead all we get is that such treatments are “unproven” and, oh! here’s a new and massively expensive drug that is actually unknown as to long term safety.
Not saying they shouldn’t develop those new drugs. In fact, I heartily support that development. But it makes it look like a naked money and power grab the way they’re going. Probably because that is what they’re doing.
Why not trial ivermectin, HCQ, etc? They’re cheap, and safety at certain doses is known from decades of use for other purposes, so only question is efficacy. If they don’t work it’ll put to bed a lot conspiracy theories, at least among those that pay attention to such studies. Instead all we get is that such treatments are “unproven” and, oh! here’s a new and massively expensive drug that is actually unknown as to long term safety.And it shouldn't matter if they are highly effective or not. They probably won't be as effective as some people think. If they can be used safely, what is the problem?
Not saying they shouldn’t develop those new drugs. In fact, I heartily support that development. But it makes it look like a naked money and power grab the way they’re going. Probably because that is what they’re doing.
Given that the bug isn't all that fatal outside people who are already hanging out in Death's Waiting Room, except for some nontypical responses, that could account for some of the positive test stuff...
Once a drug has been approved by the FDA for any indication, a physician is able to prescribe it for 'off-label' use in accordance with their clinical judgment. The majority of physicians only prescribe off-label meds if there is generally recognized medical consensus as to the safety and efficacy of the medication for a particular use. That medical consensus usually comes from the literature and recommendations from professional groups. This approach has been followed for many decades in the US and is not particularly new or novel pertinent to COVID.
Although many here would disagree, at this time there is no such consensus for the use of ivermectin and HCQ for COVID in the United States. Very few physicians are therefore writing prescriptions for it. Many physicians who do have faced disciplinary action on the grounds that they are outside the standard of care. One of the reasons for the ongoing studies is to see if such a consensus pro or con can be reached. The consensus or regulatory findings of other countries can be interesting, but do not establish the standard of care in the United States, although they can contribute to reaching the consensus in the United States.
The suggestions that Dr. Welby at the corner clinic is in the pay of Big Pharma or the CDC to suppress ivermectin, HCQ or injectable bleach are simply tinfoil. It is very true that one year's fringe therapy may very well become the future standard of care, but equally true that one year's standard of care becomes the future fringe therapy based on further research. See Thalidomide for an example.
Can anyone tell me why there is no basic standard home "treatment" for a covid diagnosis other than "Go home and try not to die, but if you get worse and start to die come back so you can die in the hospital" ?
Any suggestion of a treatment is met with howls of derision from the usual suspects denying the treatment is a cure and calling for anyone that dare suggest a treatment be figuratively (at best) burned at the stake of political expediency.
Symptom Management
Symptomatic treatment includes using over-the-counter antipyretics, analgesics, or antitussives for fever, headache, myalgias, and cough. Patients with dyspnea may benefit from resting in the prone position rather than the supine position.1 Health care providers should consider educating patients about breathing exercises, as severe breathlessness may cause anxiety.2 Patients should be advised to drink fluids regularly to avoid dehydration. Rest is recommended as needed during the acute phase of COVID-19, and ambulation and other forms of activity should be increased according to the patient’s tolerance. Patients should be educated about the variability in time to symptom resolution and complete recovery.
...
Anti-SARS-CoV-2 Monoclonal Antibodies
Two combination anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibody (mAb) products (bamlanivimab plus etesevimab and casirivimab plus imdevimab) and a single mAb (sotrovimab) have been shown to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death in the outpatient setting in those with mild to moderate COVID-19 symptoms and certain risk factors for disease progression. As a result, these products have received Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the treatment of COVID-19 in these individuals, as well as in those with other risk factors for progression that have been identified in population-based studies. There are no comparative data to determine whether there are differences in clinical efficacy or safety between these products.
The Panel recommends using one of the following anti-SARS-CoV-2 mAbs to treat outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19 who are at high risk of clinical progression, as defined by the EUA criteria (treatments are listed in alphabetical order, and they may change based on circulating variants):
Bamlanivimab plus etesevimab; or
Casirivimab plus imdevimab; or
Sotrovimab
Around here, someone gets a positive test, they basically get sent home and told to come back in if they get worse.
And that's about it.
^^^Hospitals are dangerous places, and if they can't do anything for you, it is best to stay out of them.
Is it possible that the insistence in some corners that Ivermectin helps COVID despite (at best) conflicting, low quality results be the political science in this particular case?
I agree that it has a pretty solid safety history, and if you and your Dr. want to include it as a "kitchen sink" drug regimen, that should be between you and your Dr.,You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, dogmush. Stop it.
but I see no vast suppression conspiracy among the medical folks that actually research these things. As always, the media tends to hew more to a narrative.You phrased your statement very carefully, and I agree that there is not likely to be a "vast suppression conspiracy among the medical folks that actually research these things."
Nosocomial.
You phrased your statement very carefully, and I agree that there is not likely to be a "vast suppression conspiracy among the medical folks that actually research these things."
There is a reason I haven't been to the oncologist since right before this crap started.
One of the reasons that I was so enthusiastic for the immunes was the fact that every work day I am in a building filled with sick people and opportunistic infections.
Is it possible that the insistence in some corners that Ivermectin helps COVID despite (at best) conflicting, low quality results be the political science in this particular case? There have been lots of [not great] trials done over the last year or so, some done as an anti-viral, some done as prophylactic, some vs placebo, some vs standard of care, and many other permutations. There's no real evidence it helps.
I agree that it has a pretty solid safety history, and if you and your Dr. want to include it as a "kitchen sink" drug regimen, that should be between you and your Dr., but I see no vast suppression conspiracy among the medical folks that actually research these things. As always, the media tends to hew more to a narrative.
Not doing your preventative visits to the Oncologist is your call but cancer is an insidious beast. I have taken the precautions needed and kept up my oncology visits, which is a good thing in my case or maybe not so good, it is a hard call to make. IMO people with a potentially fatal disease should continue their regular checkups for that particular disease. YMMV
bob
I agree there is no vast suppression conspiracy among medical folks. However, many of the people involved are of the same political and/or cultural, emotionally driven mindsets. With them thinking much alike, it is not unexpected for them to work individually toward the same ends.
To me, claiming that many things are nut job conspiracy theories is kind of like saying everything under the sun is racism. It's such an overused claim that it has lost much of its validity.
I was due for my "every five years because heredity" ass *expletive deleted*ing, but put it off this year because of all the screeching in this state that med services were overwhelmed, plus as Millcreek said, I like to stay out of packed hospitals if I can avoid it.
I probably should still schedule it though, maybe for early next year, or else at least take the whatchyamacallit test. Regardless of medical staffing issues, I think I might only do the colonoscopy no more than two more times. It's my non-medical opinion, but I'm starting to work the odds on number of invasive tests versus probability of nicking something I don't want nicked. At the rates the polyps grow, if I stop at 70, I should be dead of something else before the (that) cancer gets me.
Ben, in consideration of your history, talk to your provider about if Cologuard is a reasonable alternative for you.
A person in California who had been vaccinated against COVID-19 became the first in the U.S. to have an identified case of the omicron variant, the White House announced Wednesday as scientists continue to study the risks posed by the new virus strain.
Dr. Anthony Fauci told reporters that the person was a traveler who returned from South Africa on Nov. 22 and tested positive on Nov. 29. Fauci said the person was vaccinated but had not received a booster shot and was experiencing “mild symptoms.”
"That's a different issue."
Science, y'all!
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/01/peter-doocy-backs-dr-anthony-fauci-into-an-extremely-tight-corner-with-question-about-testing-requirements-for-everybody-entering-the-us-video/
I was due for my "every five years because heredity" ass *expletive deleted*ing, but put it off this year because of all the screeching in this state that med services were overwhelmed, plus as Millcreek said, I like to stay out of packed hospitals if I can avoid it.
I probably should still schedule it though, maybe for early next year, or else at least take the whatchyamacallit test. Regardless of medical staffing issues, I think I might only do the colonoscopy no more than two more times. It's my non-medical opinion, but I'm starting to work the odds on number of invasive tests versus probability of nicking something I don't want nicked. At the rates the polyps grow, if I stop at 70, I should be dead of something else before the (that) cancer gets me.
And how are severe covid infections treated? Could the higher risk of mortality be linked to the treatment?
Methods: An analysis of electronic health records (EHR) was performed for a cohort of 13,638 patients, including COVID-19 positive and a comparison group of COVID-19 negative patients, who were followed for 12 months post COVID-19 episode at one health system. Both COVID-19 positive patients and COVID-19 negative patients were PCR validated. COVID-19 positive patients were classified as severe if they were hospitalized within the first 30 days of the date of their initial positive test. The 12-month risk of mortality was assessed in unadjusted Cox regressions and those adjusted for age, sex, race and comorbidities. Separate subgroup analyses were conducted for (a) patients aged 65 and older and (b) those <65 years.
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Outcome Variables
The primary outcome investigated in this study was the 365-day all-cause mortality rate. Mortality data was sourced both from EHR data and the Social Security Death Index (SSDI), allowing for the assessment of deaths which occurred outside of UF's healthcare system. When conflicting dates of death were observed between the EHR and SSDI, the date recorded in the patient's medical record was used. Patients who died within their 365-day follow-up window were censored at the date of their recorded death. Patients who died within the first 30 days of their baseline COVID-19 test were excluded from the analysis as well patients whose mortality status was unknown. Based on previous literature regarding organ systems affected by COVID-19 and likely complications, additional analyses on condition-specific mortality were performed for cardiovascular or respiratory-related causes of death (8–10). As the cause of death was not directly recorded in the either the SSDI or EHR, causes of death were estimated algorithmically. For patients who were hospitalized within the 30 days preceding their death, a patient was considered to have died of a cardiovascular, or respiratory-related condition if an ICD-10 code corresponding to one of these conditions was associated with an inpatient encounter. The targeted conditions investigated as cardiovascular outcomes were myocardial infarction, heart failure, and stroke. The respiratory conditions were pneumonia, hypoxemia, and acute respiratory distress syndrome. The ICD-10 codes used to define these outcomes are given in Table 1.
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Among patients under 65, a greater significantly increased risk of death between severe COVID-19 and no COVID-19 was observed. The ratio of hazard ratios derived from the interaction between age-grouping and severe COVID-19 was statistically significant (HRR = 1.62; 95% CI: 1.05, 2.51), suggesting that patients under 65 with severe COVID-19 have a higher mortality risk than patients aged 65 and older with severe COVID-19 relative to patients with no COVID-19.
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The number of deaths when attempting to classify them by cause of death indicated the majority of patients who had COVID-19 died of other causes than respiratory or cardiovascular.
At a COVID update press conference, NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner confirmed the teenagers, aged 15, 16 and 17, tested negative for the virus yesterday.
He said all three were from the Binjari community near Katherine and had been sent into quarantine as close contacts of positive cases.
My son has recovered from the ‘vid. Despite being constantly pressured at the University to get vaccinated, he hasn’t, and the Covid gave him a scratchy throat and a cough for a couple of days.Medically, don't the recommend a pretty good delay between recovering from the 'vid and getting one of the vaccines?
He just got a notice in the mail that he has to be vaccinated by Jan 3rd for his campus job because of the Biden Executive order. I told him to ignore that bullshit, there is no legal mandate for vaccination from Biden.
These nuts are actually agreeing that, "Yes, it IS just like nazi Germany, except we're going after the right bad people."That just shows that those people know exactly what they are doing. They just don't think it is bad since they are in charge and people they don't like are the oppressed. Perfect self justification.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/02/david-frum-apparently-sees-the-wisdom-in-hitlers-policies-in-nazi-germany-just-substitute-unvaccinated-for-jews/
Because it's not like almost everybody who has the Omicron has also been vaccinated.
Ben, in consideration of your history, talk to your provider about if Cologuard is a reasonable alternative for you.
These nuts are actually agreeing that, "Yes, it IS just like nazi Germany, except we're going after the right bad people."
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/02/david-frum-apparently-sees-the-wisdom-in-hitlers-policies-in-nazi-germany-just-substitute-unvaccinated-for-jews/
Because it's not like almost everybody who has the Omicron has also been vaccinated.
South Carolina Republican Rep. Ralph Norman on Thursday introduced legislation that could force the Food and Drug Administration to release all documents relating to the coronavirus vaccine within the next 100 days.
The legislation is a direct response to a request made last month by the federal agency to prolong releasing data on COVID vaccines for up to 55 years.
"How does a vaccine that receives approval in 108 days now require 55 years just to release information?" Norman said to Fox News. "It sounds like the beginning of a very bad joke."
Also not a study, but a Washington state PA has his license suspended after at least one of his patients dies after using ivermectin.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95106
https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/providercredentialsearch/PDF/1379388313.pdf
https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/providercredentialsearch/PDF/386005440.pdf
I was not aware of this:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-norman-fda-covid-vaccine-data-100-days
Is this a standard FDA practice? Holding data for 55 years makes no sense to me. Holding it for 55 days makes no sense to me.
According to an official Pfizer document that is titled Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Adverse Event Records Reports, in just the first 90 days of the vaccine’s roll out under the FDA’s EUA – from December 1st. 2020 – February 28th, 2021 – there were TENS OF THOUSANDS of reported adverse reactions, including OVER 1200 DEATHS.
The report only included adverse events to the vaccine that researchers considered “serious cases,” there were thousands more submissions that were left out of this data.
Any cases deemed “non-serious” would be processed within 90 days, but this report was released before 90 days of Pfizer’s vaccine being available had even passed.
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/research-game-changer-spike-protein-increases-heart-attacks-and-destroys/
Court Orders FDA To Comply With FOIA and Release Information On Pfizer Vaccine – First Batch of Documents Shows Over 1,200 Vaccine Deaths WITHIN FIRST 90 DAYS
https://federalinquirer.com/court-orders-fda-to-comply-with-foia-and-release-information-on-pfizer-vaccine-first-batch-of-documents-shows-over-1200-vaccine-deaths-within-first-90-days/
So I read this and the first question I have is the number of deaths reported proven to have a causal relationship to the vaccine? I see in the 'methodology' section that the Pfizer database contains cases reported of serious adverse events 'regardless of causality assessment.'. So in other words, this database is like VAERS, where anyone can report anything as an adverse event and it may or may not actually be caused by the vaccine. I am not impressed by the statistical rigor of these numbers as showing a cause and effect between the vaccine and adverse events.It is incomplete, just something reported early on. There are more adverse reactions not considered serious as well. I presume more data will be forthcoming as they are forced to release more of the documentation. Honestly, all this should already be public information. The companies are shielded from liability. The price of that should be 100% transparency.
So here is the actual Circulation abstract cited on the unz site. Read it and see if you agree with Mr. Whitney's interpretation of it about increasing heart attacks and destroying the immune system.
ARTERIOSCLEROSIS, THROMBOSIS, VASCULAR BIOLOGY
SESSION TITLE: DAMPS, INFECTION AND CARDIOVASCULAR METABOLISM
Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
Steven R Gundry
Originally published8 Nov 2021Circulation. 2021;144:A10712
This article has an expression of concern
Abstract
Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS). The score is based on changes from the norm of multiple protein biomarkers including IL-16, a proinflammatory cytokine, soluble Fas, an inducer of apoptosis, and Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF)which serves as a marker for chemotaxis of T-cells into epithelium and cardiac tissue, among other markers. Elevation above the norm increases the PULS score, while decreases below the norm lowers the PULS score.The score has been measured every 3-6 months in our patient population for 8 years. Recently, with the advent of the mRNA COVID 19 vaccines (vac) by Moderna and Pfizer, dramatic changes in the PULS score became apparent in most patients.This report summarizes those results. A total of 566 pts, aged 28 to 97, M:F ratio 1:1 seen in a preventive cardiology practice had a new PULS test drawn from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot and was compared to the previous PULS score drawn 3 to 5 months previously pre- shot. Baseline IL-16 increased from 35=/-20 above the norm to 82 =/- 75 above the norm post-vac; sFas increased from 22+/- 15 above the norm to 46=/-24 above the norm post-vac; HGF increased from 42+/-12 above the norm to 86+/-31 above the norm post-vac. These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac.We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.
This article expresses concern regarding abstract “Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning” which originally published November 8, 2021; https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712.
Soon after publication of the above abstract in Circulation, it was brought to the American Heart Association Committee on Scientific Sessions Program’s attention that there are potential errors in the abstract. Specifically, there are several typographical errors, there is no data in the abstract regarding myocardial T-cell infiltration, there are no statistical analyses for significance provided, and the author is not clear that only anecdotal data was used.
We are publishing this Expression of Concern until a suitable correction is published to indicate that the abstract in its current version may not be reliable.
The companies are shielded from liability. The price of that should be 100% transparency.
It is incomplete, just something reported early on. There are more adverse reactions not considered serious as well. I presume more data will be forthcoming as they are forced to release more of the documentation. Honestly, all this should already be public information. The companies are shielded from liability. The price of that should be 100% transparency.
But then they'd lose the moral high ground they are claiming in trying to force every person on the face of the planet to be "fully vaccinated" -- a definition that's changing on a regular basis. Some countries now don't consider anyone to be fully vaccinated unless they've had a recent booster shot. The UK is now pushing for (or requiring -- don't remember which) booster shots every THREE MONTHS.
But then they'd lose the moral high ground they are claiming in trying to force every person on the face of the planet to be "fully vaccinated" -- a definition that's changing on a regular basis. Some countries now don't consider anyone to be fully vaccinated unless they've had a recent booster shot. The UK is now pushing for (or requiring -- don't remember which) booster shots every THREE MONTHS.
What kind of autoimmune reactions are people seeing?
On post-covid Parosmia:
https://www.foxnews.com/health/long-covid-cases-bad-smells-tastes
The mention of the one girl and the shower was interesting to me, as shower water smells weird to me too. I didn't know more people had that symptom. In my case, it smells kinda H2S-like or Sulphur-like. Also though I can smell bacon again, it smells slightly different, as if there is a chemical-like back odor to it. Which goes for a few of both my phantom smells and "different" smells for stuff I smelled normally before. Everything that still doesn't smell right to me has some chemical secondary odor ranging from very slight to moderate.
Missed this article until just this morning. Four months out and I still have smell distortion. Mine is mostly a chemical smell now. Initially I was experiencing sewer gas smells also. Like a trap under a sink was dry.
Missed this article until just this morning. Four months out and I still have smell distortion. Mine is mostly a chemical smell now. Initially I was experiencing sewer gas smells also. Like a trap under a sink was dry.You mention hand soaps, does it do it with other soaps like Lava? Just wondering if it is the added perfumes and stuff put in hand soaps that trigger it.
Walking into a new room and especially pump hand soaps trigger my anosmia. The chemical smell is even detectible on my hands for awhile after washing. Walking into a new space will usually trigger a faint reaction. Food rarely triggers unusual odors when it's in front of me. Cooking going on while I'm in another room will trigger it though. I still don't have 100% normality in taste, pretty close though, I can enjoy food again.
There are a handful of other long covid symptoms I'm experiencing as well. Generally they manifest themselves if I push too hard on the physical exercise.
You mention hand soaps, does it do it with other soaps like Lava? Just wondering if it is the added perfumes and stuff put in hand soaps that trigger it.
The FDA now wants 75 years to release the data on how it approved a drug in 108 days.
The FDA now wants 75 years to release the data on how it approved a drug in 108 days.Didn't the judge make them release 500 pages a month? It will still take that long for all of it to be released, but now they can piecemeal it out.
If the government wants to hold back the design for their death ray for 75 years, I get classified stuff. Holding back ANYTHING about stuff they are telling people to put in their bodies is criminal. That should all be available to everyone, immediately.
But if you question ANYTHING, you are an uneducated bumpkin denier.
I guess I'm one, who spent over a decade poring over research data, looking for mistakes...
I guess I'm just a dumb bumpkin. My media and political statistics courses probably didn't transfer anything at all to the medical field. I should just sit back and accept that being lied to is a good thing.
We should all believe in this.
I particularly like the guy at about 0:45 who hesitates a little, and then assumes a more comfortable position.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/china/video-2094890/Video-Dramatic-footage-shows-people-collapsing-suddenly-Wuhan-city.html
Maybe some of y'all aren't in the same sort of political area I'm in... The handwavium around here is extreme. There's a restaurant near me which still MANDATES (they love that word...) that you wear a mask from the door to your table, but then you're perfectly okay... The tame essentials wear their masks proudly. I went in a cell phone store the other day to inquire about something - the kid, wearing a chin mask, was downright rude when he told me that I had to go out and put on a mask to spend money there.
Chin mask. Sigh.
The local media seems to love case counts. Never mind that 16 people died WITH the 'rona here (with no release about demographics...) in the city since November 1 - it's the rising number of CASES!
I have a cow orker who proclaims that if he catches it, he's going to die (and he's had it once already, but natch...). And he uses it as an excuse to be rude to anyone who doesn't fit his definition of safe (young, female, not tweaking,,, much...) to tell them to "back off!" He also refuses to install batteries, headlights, and so on. Maybe he'll catch something. And he calls me an "old man" while I'm carrying one out to a customer car...
The hipsters love their masks. It shows that they care. We've also got a lot of low-info folks around here. They believe everything they see on television.
According to the City administration's web page, there have been 755 hospitalizations in the past 14 days.
No word on how many of them were "we're going to keep you overnight, and bill your insurance a few grand" and so forth.
Let's see... Their two-week sample: 6 fatalities out of 755 in a population of 319,000...
Looks like about 0.8% of the folks who were sick enough to keep were fatal... But... 816 confirmed cases? From 14,786 tests? Looks like they tested close to 5% of the population in two weeks... Then again, that is possible, since they're still doing heavy testing in the lower income sections of the City. And some of those folks are firmly convinced that getting tested means that they're safe, and if they have their car's scanner read by our OBDII gizmo, that'll fix whatever is wrong with it.
According to the City administration's web page, there have been 755 hospitalizations in the past 14 days.
No word on how many of them were "we're going to keep you overnight, and bill your insurance a few grand" and so forth.
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The reasoning you’re using is horribly flawed here. If you applied the same method to Ebola you would conclude it’s not really that bad, since 0 percent of St Louis died of it last year. That example is what’s wrong with your entire approach to COVID.
The reasoning you’re using is horribly flawed here. If you applied the same method to Ebola you would conclude it’s not really that bad, since 0 percent of St Louis died of it last year. That example is what’s wrong with your entire approach to COVID.
That totally depends on whether St Louis is a representative sample or not. For COVID, it probably is but not necessarily. I give Bogie the benefit of the doubt on that one. Ebola is a strawman.
If he only had a... You know, that thing
So St. Louis is special, and radically different from every place else?
Following much of the "reasoning," would might see a major urban area where 50 people would be shot on a "party weekend," with 5 of them fatal...
The "reasoning," therefore, is that there is a 10% chance of dying in that urban area.
Using only presented cases as a yardstick, one sees a significantly higher fatality rate. But that must be ignored, because to point out the bias in the data selection is now science denial.
"Reasoning" such as this goes back to the initially publicized Seattle nursing home cases - Something like 30% of the residents died...
But they didn't publicize how none of the help did... Or that many of the help were also working in other facilities. It is common for medical professionals, especially in fields such is wound prevention/care, to consult in multiple venue.
Lies. Damn lies... And manipulated statistics.
Here’s what you’re missing - if each shooting leads to three more shootings the following week, do the math and see how that becomes big numbers inside 90 days. That’s more like COVID - if you don’t take measures to contain it, the numbers keep growing.
Which is again why you have hundreds of thousands dead, and continuing spread of covid and attendant 1 percent death rate.
I know you like to say that your former colleagues thought you had a Ph.D, but you don't, do you? Do you have any academic credentials in STEM or healthcare that make you an expert on the subject? Or are you self-taught?
Here’s what you’re missing - if each shooting leads to three more shootings the following week, do the math and see how that becomes big numbers inside 90 days. That’s more like COVID - if you don’t take measures to contain it, the numbers keep growing.
Is it vitamin C or D3? I can't keep up.
Per your example, 3,542,940 dead in 90 days. By week 20, the death toll exceeds the worlds population. Unless some of them develop a natural immunity to being killed by bullets with a regiment of monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, zinc, Vitamin C and desethylhydroxychloroquine. :P
Is it vitamin C or D3? I can't keep up.
No, it is not - The math of cases vs deaths works out like everywhere else. Your hard math fail is why you can’t see that.
Again: looking at some locality, ignoring infection rates and outcomes of those infections, and declaring “only .2 percent died” is exactly the same flawed reasoning that would lead you to conclude Ebola is not that bad.
There is no strawman here - that’s exactly what Bogie is claiming. You can only arrive at such a wrongheaded position by not examining the rate of spread, and the outcomes for the number of cases you have.
Why aren't we all dead? It couldn't be the play quarantines, or the "not for medical use" masks...
I know this may bother you, but if you can get up, by yourself, walk out your front door, go to a stadium, and make it to your seat without assistance - you ain't the target market of the bug...
And you are completely discounting the people who were immune off the bat, along with the number of people (supposed to be the vast majority, according to Karen, who is damn scared of "asymptomatic carriers"), who never bothered to get tested, who never went to see a doctor, because they... never showed any symptoms.
And I figure you hate them.
This is interesting. The research hasn't gone through peer review yet, but it suggests that covid both infects fat cells and also "hides" in them.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-may-infect-fat-tissue
The reasoning you’re using is horribly flawed here. If you applied the same method to Ebola you would conclude it’s not really that bad, since 0 percent of St Louis died of it last year. That example is what’s wrong with your entire approach to COVID.
Hard math is not enough. Mighty big reasoning fail here, so maths won't help you.It is whatever the Australian Govt tells De Selby it is.
As an aside, is it math or maths in Australia?
Uh... Your "hard math" is based on what?
You're ASSUMING, based upon your model, that each patient will infect three others, if I am able to understand that...
And so forth.
That has not happened. That didn't even happen in isolated populations.
And no, it wasn't because of masks that you could drive a road train through.
You are also ASSUMING that 1% of those infected will die... (down from 2%, but hey...)
And completely disregarding that you are ASSUMING that everyone who catches the bug will present for treatment.
And you are now IGNORING the big bugaboo of "zomg, the asymptomatic walk among us" of the people who catch it, and beat it like a rented stepchild...
In your sick world, all of the non-compliant catch it, and many of them die.
In what seems to have been happening? Some folks get sick. Most don't. Life will go on. Because you don't need to be sick to be immune.
And it has been two years. Not two weeks.
While all the time, we have bureaucrats who are frickin' HOPING for huge numbers to use to justify their programs - and their existence.
Maybe that's why anyone who differs, and looks at "hard math," gets shouted down by the people who have now redefined "science."
They never named every new version of the common cold before. Now they have that power - the power for headlines, and research grants and... power...
How many colds have you had in your life? Here's another one. Don't go visit Gramma if you have the snifflies.
Hard math is not enough. Mighty big reasoning fail here, so maths won't help you.
As an aside, is it math or maths in Australia?
Because the vanity masks don't do anything to stop the spread. The vaccine doesn't do anything to stop the spread.
These two statements are demonstrably, provably false. And have been so proven, several times on this site alone.
Just because a control measure isn't 100% effective, or even 50% effective, doesn't mean it does nothing. Several people on this site have brought legitimate questions about whether or not the usefulness of masks are worth the costs, which is a conversation I wish the country had actually had.
But to say they and vaccines "don't do anything" is just idiotic. It shows cult like belief in untruths.
I hate being lied to. I hate the presentation of biased statistics as somehow being factual. I hate having to suspend my brain to watch the evening news.
I hate having someone snidely inform me that I have to wear a symbolic scrap of t-shirt or that I am a bad person.
Let's not even get into the folks who are wearing masks so that they won't show up on video.
Or maybe I AM a bad person? I used to be the kind of guy who would stay home if he had the flu, so that I didn't give it to my cow orkers... maybe now I'll just put on a magical scrap of face diaper, and go permeate the workplace... Yeah, that'll be okay...
I don't disagree with really any of that. (I wish Americans would wear masks when they are sick if they have to go out, like Asians do) I disagree with the previous statements about masks and vaccines not doing anything.What kind of masks? In reality, N95 masks aren't required anywhere in public that I am aware. The thin bandana's do very little but catch the largest droplets. The paper masks are usually poorly fitted and little of the air goes through them. I have a set of cotton masks my Mother made for me. No elastic and they actually fit decently. They are probably more effective than most masks I see. Saying they do "nothing" may be inaccurate, but saying they are effective is a stretch in many cases.
Are the vaccines effective? Yes, but I think the powers that be have been over claiming the effectiveness from the start which undermines my trust in what they say. IMO, they really should be treated like the flu vaccine in the past. Take it if you want or if you are in a vulnerable condition (older or with comorbidity or both). I don't think it should be forced on anyone (by govt or company) especially since you can still carry it and spread it after having the vaccine.Agreed.
I don't think it should be forced on anyone (by govt or company) especially since you can still carry it and spread it after having the vaccine.
I was particularly amused when De Selby was trumpeting the trials showing 100% effectiveness in preventing COVID in kids without realizing that the same study showed that a placebo showed 98% effectiveness in preventing COVID in kids in the same trial.
Opinion makers discovered that the bulk of the population wanted safety. PERFECT safety... And striving for that is one helluva way to work a population.
Agreed.
“Efficaciousness” in early studies and general effectiveness are not the same thing.
I was particularly amused when De Selby was trumpeting the trials showing 100% effectiveness in preventing COVID in kids without realizing that the same study showed that a placebo showed 98% effectiveness in preventing COVID in kids in the same trial.
I’ve also seen concerns that releasing a mostly effective vaccine generally in the middle of the pandemic is effectively the same technique you would use to intentionally breed resistance into any dangerous virus or bacteria. Giving it to at-risk people makes sense, but by giving it to everyone is like giving everyone a low-dose antibiotic and then being shocked at a rise in antibiotic-resistant infections.
Very true, and much more dangerous than Chinavirus.
Your interpretation of placebo “effectiveness” is way off - a normal ratio of kids in that age group got covid when they had the placebo. No kids in that age group got covid. That does not mean the vaccine is comparable to placebo.I do not think the vaccine is comparable to placebo in effectiveness.
Here’s the issue with the rest of your post: rather than amateur reasoning about the behaviour of coronaviruses, the question about how the vaccine will affect the virus should be settled by intensive scientific research. It’s cool that we all have theories about how this will play out - scientific testing of those theories is what we should be using to make decisions. It’s simply not the sort of discipline where drawing what you think are reasoned conclusions makes for sensible policy - coronaviruses aren’t biologically related to bacteria at all, and the same rules about resistance do not by necessity apply. Scientific sources should be the basis of our risk assessment and discussion.Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that intensive scientific research had shown that coronaviruses mutate very slowly, or that they are an exception to the rule when it comes to selection pressure. Very interesting.
So you acknowledge the study demonstrated zero covid cases where the placebo group got covidNo, there were 18 cases where the placebo group got COVID.
but now youre questioning the study parameters and doing your own math analysis on how those placebo numbers stack up? Again, seems like a recipe for bad decision making.If you believe that the efficaciousness rate of a vaccine should be determined by comparison to the placebo rate then you need to take that up with all the COVID 19 vaccination trials to date because that is not how it is done - likely to oversell the capabilities of the vaccine.
What kind of masks? In reality, N95 masks aren't required anywhere in public that I am aware. The thin bandana's do very little but catch the largest droplets. The paper masks are usually poorly fitted and little of the air goes through them. I have a set of cotton masks my Mother made for me. No elastic and they actually fit decently. They are probably more effective than most masks I see. Saying they do "nothing" may be inaccurate, but saying they are effective is a stretch in many cases.
Are the vaccines effective? Yes, but I think the powers that be have been over claiming the effectiveness from the start which undermines my trust in what they say. IMO, they really should be treated like the flu vaccine in the past. Take it if you want or if you are in a vulnerable condition (older or with comorbidity or both). I don't think it should be forced on anyone (by govt or company) especially since you can still carry it and spread it after having the vaccine.
Noticed a pattern in many arguments in this thread.I have heard people say similar things about seatbelts. Usually it was only justifying why they didn't want to wear it and it was usually some hearsay story that probably wasn't correct anyway. I still don't think people should be required by law to wear them.
It's either 0% or 100% with no in between.
If it's not 100% effective it's 0% effective.
If it's not 0% effective it's 100% effective.
I know people that take similar stances on seat belts. Know a guy who refuses to wear a seat belt because he knows someone who was wearing a seat belt and died and people who weren't wearing a seat belt and lived thus in his mind seat belts will get you killed and you're insane for wearing one and you can't argue with him. Not comparing masks and vaccines to seat belts just the 0-100 mindset. I've learn that it is usually pointless to argue with them.
No, there were 18 cases where the placebo group got COVID.
If you believe that the efficaciousness rate of a vaccine should be determined by comparison to the placebo rate then you need to take that up with all the COVID 19 vaccination trials to date because that is not how it is done - likely to oversell the capabilities of the vaccine.
On the other hand, if you accept the efficaciousness rating of all the COVID vaccines then proclaiming the placebo to being 98% effective at preventing COVID (in kids) is entirely in keeping with established scientific reporting.
So that would be no, no published study on the virology of covid suggesting we should not vaccinate large groups?
He's applying the same methodology to both groups, and the difference is insignificant.
No study that suggests not to vaccinate will be published (perhaps none exists, how would we know) because it would be professional suicide for the writer and the publisher to publish such a paper in this environment even if the data was irrefutable. Whenever someone even suggests that the vaccine might be riskier than the disease for certain age groups, they are shouted down by hoards of feces-throwing howler monkeys. [not literal monkeys, but they might as well be]
Non-vented respirator-style masks. N95, KN95, PPF2, etc.
None of the trials for the major vaccines tested effectiveness against death. Yet we are told the vaccines are the best way to save lives. None of the trials tested against severe disease or hospitalization either, yet we are told the vaccines are the best way to reduce hospitalizations.
They may or may not be effective against death or hospitalization but the fact is there have been no controlled trials to prove it, and it's obvious most people think there is and that public health officials let them believe it.
We found a low risk of COVID-19 hospitalisations or deaths 14 days or more after the first vaccination dose, with less than 0·05% of individuals receiving at least one vaccination having a subsequent breakthrough event.
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The rate of hospitalisation or death for COVID-19 related illness during the study period was 4·6 events per 1000 person-years (1196 events in total). Over the same period, we calculated the rate of hospitalisation or death from COVID-19 as 8·57 events per 1000 person-years (10 282 events in total) in the unvaccinated population in Scotland, despite the fact that this unvaccinated group was a much younger population who the JCVI had assessed to be at a substantially lower risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes.29
That is not a methodology - and of course, assuming the science is all rigged by politics means you have no basis for making any judgments.
To discard scientific data and then substitute rhetorical/Facebook theories about virology is to do in real life what the fictional De Selby does in books, and those books are comedies.
That is simply not true.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00380-5/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00380-5/fulltext)
If people are still contagious but they have less symptoms, that's literally the opposite of effective for reducing spread, because sick people stay at home, but un-sick people go about their days.
If people are still contagious but they have less symptoms, that's literally the opposite of effective for reducing spread, because sick people stay at home, but un-sick people go about their days. It would take an entire extra study to understand if the final result were actually effective in slowing or stopping the spread. Instead, they just barfed it out there. And then a month later told everyone to still wear masks. To date, vaccination seems to have practically no impact on spread of the pandemic. It's highly possible that vaccination has made spread worse.
Data gathered since mass vaccination is not placebo controlled and can be flawed in many impossible to correct for ways, especially selection bias. I do appreciate that people are trying but the methods being used now are terrible at assessing a treatment, and would never pass muster in any other context. Now it is very hard to assess if the vaccines are working, this is made doubly so by the incredibly incompetent job the CDC is doing at tracking vaccine effectiveness, with failing to competently monitor side effects and breakthrough rates, basically they are acting as if they specifically don't want to know, or maybe they do know but don't want it to be provable. The push for universal vaccination is part of this, it is basically a cover-up.
Much of this applies to other countries as well. Europe is showering booster shots on everyone trying to reduce their hospitalization rates all while their first wave of vaccination did nothing for viral spread or cases. I just took a Pfizer booster because it's required after January 15th and I don't really have a choice. I don't like being sick and I think the booster might help with that but it's probably doing nothing for the pandemic.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51745947529_8b7f045b47_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQBvp8)
The issues with data you raised are explicitly canvased in the study I posted. What about their statistical methods is wrong?
A limitation of this study is that we were unable to report on risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection and less severe COVID-19 outcomes
Our analysis was performed during a period where there was a high background incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection and a national lockdown in place in Scotland (and across the UK), so these findings must be interpreted within this context.
If you have any data showing that vaccination does not impact or in fact enhances the spread of covid, please post it.
The Pfizer oral treatment is showing more promise than the Merck oral treatment.
On Monday, December 13, Virginia’s 20th Judicial Court found Fauquier Health in contempt of court after refusing to comply with previous orders and ruled that by 9:00 p.m. Eastern time tonight, Kathy Davies must be given the dose of Ivermectin as prescribed by a doctor retained by the Davies family. Additionally — if the hospital did not comply — the state had the right to fine the hospital $10,000 per day. That order would have been applied retroactively from December 9 onwards. The court also ordered that the Davies family be given police escort if necessary to administer the drug to their mother.Looks like the family got their doctor to prescribe ivermectin, but the hospital threw up road blocks to prevent it from being administered. This article didn't really talk about what treatment the hospital was doing.
Read below:
In the USA and Germany, high-level officials have used the term pandemic of the unvaccinated, suggesting that people who have been vaccinated are not relevant in the epidemiology of COVID-19. Officials’ use of this phrase might have encouraged one scientist to claim that “the unvaccinated threaten the vaccinated for COVID-19”. But this view is far too simple.
There is increasing evidence that vaccinated individuals continue to have a relevant role in transmission. In Massachusetts, USA, a total of 469 new COVID-19 cases were detected during various events in July, 2021, and 346 (74%) of these cases were in people who were fully or partly vaccinated, 274 (79%) of whom were symptomatic. Cycle threshold values were similarly low between people who were fully vaccinated (median 22·8) and people who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median 21·5), indicating a high viral load even among people who were fully vaccinated.
In the USA, a total of 10 262 COVID-19 cases were reported in vaccinated people by April 30, 2021, of whom 2725 (26·6%) were asymptomatic, 995 (9·7%) were hospitalised, and 160 (1·6%) died.
In Germany, 55·4% of symptomatic COVID-19 cases in patients aged 60 years or older were in fully vaccinated individuals, and this proportion is increasing each week. In Münster, Germany, new cases of COVID-19 occurred in at least 85 (22%) of 380 people who were fully vaccinated or who had recovered from COVID-19 and who attended a nightclub.
People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic. It is therefore wrong and dangerous to speak of a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Historically, both the USA and Germany have engendered negative experiences by stigmatising parts of the population for their skin colour or religion. I call on high-level officials and scientists to stop the inappropriate stigmatisation of unvaccinated people, who include our patients, colleagues, and other fellow citizens, and to put extra effort into bringing society together.
Interesting blurb from a 3/2020 video of Zuck and Fauci discussing the mRNA treatment. The lower video is slightly longer.Do you know when this interview was done?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1470469062698414090
From the study:
They only looked at hospitalisation. Not spread within the population. Didn't even consider it in the study.
To the extent that their data shows the cases and hospitalisation rates dropping after and during the vaccination campaign, was it the vaccines or the lockdowns? Or natural course of the disease, the weather, or some other (or hundreds of other) factor? Without a controlled trial, knowing is impossible. And as they mentioned above, they didn't even consider community spread, just hospitalisation and death rates, which could also be impacted by changing admission policy and improved treatments, which they also admitted in the study itself.
Look at figures from the US or any other country, showing the disease continues to spread and outbreaks continue to occur and the fact that these countries went from 0% to in some cases 80Plus% vaccinated didn't do a damn thing, not even make a noticeable blip in the charts.
I don't have better data than that, because it isn't being gathered. There is nobody doing serious trials on vaccination impact on community spread. It's clear that they don't want to.
I remember I was in TX summer of this year when I saw the chart of US vaccinations climbing like crazy up to 40%, 50,60%, overlayed on the case rates... and not any discernable impact whatsoever. If you gave people both charts and said "show me the before and after mass vaccination", you couldn't do it. Not. A. Damn. Thing. And I thought...Oh *expletive deleted*it, the vaccines aren't going to work... what's the government response going to be now that everyone can see the vaccines aren't going to stop COVID?
Here's some numbers for you... evolution of the 5th wave in France. Remember they require a health pass to go anywhere and now you have to have a booster to get a health pass. Can you tell the point where they went from 0% vaccinated to nearly 100%? Neither can I.
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/infographies-covid-19-morts-hospitalisations-age-malades-l-evolution-de-l-epidemie-en-france-et-dans-le-monde-en-cartes-et-graphiques.html
Vaccination reduced the overall attack rate to 4.6% (95% CrI: 4.3% – 5.0%) from 9.0% (95% CrI: 8.4% – 9.4%) without vaccination, over 300 days. The highest relative reduction (54–62%) was observed among individuals aged 65 and older. Vaccination markedly reduced adverse outcomes, with non-ICU hospitalizations, ICU hospitalizations, and deaths decreasing by 63.5% (95% CrI: 60.3% – 66.7%), 65.6% (95% CrI: 62.2% – 68.6%), and 69.3% (95% CrI: 65.5% – 73.1%), respectively, across the same period.
Overview of a Lancet article at zerohedge.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/lancet-scolds-those-claiming-pandemic-unvaccinated
What Tyler Durden has missed there is that the letter from Germany does not suggest vaccinated people spread covid as efficiently as unvaccinated - only that they do indeed spread it, so other control measures like masking should be looked at for vaccinated people, which makes sense.Zerohedge is nothing more than a news aggregator with opinions. Frequently info pops up there long before it hits the mainstream media.
Im not sure what makes zero hedge a credible source of medical information. But do you honestly think it’s a good idea to take medical and risk advice from a guy who signs his articles as “Tyler Durden”?
Do you know when this interview was done?
I would have thought they would not publicly discuss this unless they were already concerned this was a possibility and were looking into it.
And why can't Zuckerberg get his lighting right?
March 2020 I believe.Okay. Missed the big "March 2020" on the second video. =)
It's not so much the lighting as it's the Uncanny valley.
But do you honestly think it’s a good idea to take medical and risk advice from a guy who signs hisarticlesAPS posts as“Tyler Durden”“De Selby”?
What Tyler Durden has missed there is that the letter from Germany does not suggest vaccinated people spread covid as efficiently as unvaccinated - only that they do indeed spread it, so other control measures like masking should be looked at for vaccinated people, which makes sense.
Im not sure what makes zero hedge a credible source of medical information. But do you honestly think it’s a good idea to take medical and risk advice from a guy who signs his articles as “Tyler Durden”?
FTFY.
And it’s about as valid to poke fun at your screen name as it does for you to cast aspersions due to his.
I don't get the joke. Is it an anagram or something?
All of the articles are attributed to Tyler Durden. I doubt one person is providing all the articles on the website. I was just too lazy to re-click the Lancet link and copy/pasted the ZH open tab.
Attacking ZH and its writer(s) is just to distract from the legitimate content from The Lancet that goes contrary to the narrative.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext
That’s the name of the main character’s split personality identity in Fight Club.
"Outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over,"
Went out to eat with a friend tonight.
You put the mask on to walk through the front door.
You took it off when you got to the bar or your table.
You put it back on again to walk to the restroom or to leave.
Makes PERFECT sense to someone.
Are they really still doing that there? Here there's a sign at the door that says you're strongly encouraged to wear a mask. Nobody but the waitstaff does.That is more or less what I see here. Most places the employees are wearing masks. Every place has a sign on the door asking you to wear a mask. Few people do.
That is more or less what I see here. Most places the employees are wearing masks. Every place has a sign on the door asking you to wear a mask. Few people do.
I had to go to another companies' office yesterday. I knew their policy was people who are unvaccinated have to wear a mask still. Less than half the people there were wearing one.
I know someone who works for Equifax. They were requiring even "work at home" people to be vaccinated. They sent out a letter after Thanksgiving canceling that policy. I heard a lot of companies who had set that requirement were doing that.
You know what would impress me a bleep-ton more than a sign at the front door telling me that I had to wear an ineffective virtue signaler?The businesses can't do that because they are too busy trying to comply with mask mandates among other things. BigGov could have helped fund things like that or allow tax incentives for it, but they were too busy giving money away.
"We have installed a new HEPA air filtration system for this building, with even better filters, and UV light chambers to kill airborne contaminants."
Last Sunday, my wife and I went to a Celtic Christmas concert in Mt. Vernon, about 60 miles north of Seattle. It was very much a grey-haired crowd, and my wife and I commented that there was about 95% mask use. You had to show proof of vaccination to get in and wear a mask the entire time indoors.
Lincoln Theater?
And more covid dancing...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-paramedics-cardiac-arrest-leave-covid
"Sir, I don't know how to be any more clear. If she is still wearing them, I can't consider it your mask ..."
THAT is not in the CDC guidelines. As long as they are tight on the sides.....And her yoga pants are a second layer, right?
Don't even talk to me about yoga pants...
If one can see the cellulite on the cellulite, that fashion statement is really not for you.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/do-mask-policies-work-countries-with-them-had-lower-covid-death-rates-study-says/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2phvkZXDtrfk1dGuEtPCsd4ETd00foOl1jO4QItkJ9-KdlF0r9vBl8BqE#Echobox=1639716421
https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(21)00557-2/fulltext
CONCLUSIONS
The results of this study show a significant association between face mask mandates and reductions in COVID-19 mortality. This evidence supports the positive impact of face mask policies on saving peoples’ lives.
All during this pandemic with lockdowns and quarantines, during travel restrictions and vaccine mandates our Southern border is still wide open. If they get serious about shutting down unrestricted entry of untested, unvaccinated illegal immigrants I might consider taking the howler monkeys of doom seriously (not really).
You have to follow the science, you heathens!
Undocumented potentialcitizensvoters, peaceful protesters, and the like are not able to be infected. Only horrible conservatives who attend superspreader events, like church...
FIFY.
Citizenship is optional -- voting is mandatory.
:facepalm:
https://twitter.com/jamestalarico/status/1474825540980948999
The state of New York said it will prioritize non-White people in the distribution of COVID-19 treatments in short supply.
New York’s Department of Health released a document detailing its plan to distribute the treatments, such as monoclonal antibody treatment and antiviral pills.
The plan includes a section on eligibility for the scarce antiviral pills that people must meet to receive the treatment, including a line stating a person needs to have "a medical condition or other factors that increase their risk for severe illness."
One such "risk factor" is being a race or ethnicity that is not White due to "longstanding systemic health and social inequities"
Police say Laura Russo administered the dose at her home despite having no legal authorisation to give jabs, or consent from the boy's parents.
Ms Russo, 54, who teaches biology, was held on New Year's Eve and could face four years in prison if convicted.
The 17-year-old boy had reportedly wanted the vaccine.
Police say it is unclear how Ms Russo obtained the alleged Covid vaccine, or what brand it is. Currently, the Pfizer-BioNTech jab is the only one authorised for Americans under 18 years old.
US science teacher arrested for vaccinating 17-year-old student
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59876583
This crap is a cult with some of these people.
Video of the incident in Long Island appears to show Ms Russo telling the teenager: "You'll be fine, I hope."
"Here you go. At-home vaccine," he says.
Spontaneous Order in Complex Systems
As expected, my last piece generated a wealth of critical comments.
I don’t deny that there are many bad actors scattered across our governments, and that these bad actors coordinate, plan and conspire. The question, is not whether there are conspiracies, or whether these policies benefit our oligarchic elites, or whether I’ve looked into Event 201. The question, is what is the dominant force driving containment and universal vaccination right now.
The one thing I want to convey here, more than anything else, is the complexity and extent of modern western governments. These are unbelievably elaborate systems, and they are not easily controlled or understood by individuals or confined groups...
I don't think that we've seen conspiracies as of late - I do think that we've seen a whole bunch of people simultaneously doing what they think is right...but some people are flat out wrong and doing evil stuff so I really don't care if they think it is the right thing or not.
The "Forever Maskers":
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/04/the-people-who-plan-on-wearing-masks-forever.html
Franklin heaped blame on Donald Trump's handling of the first year of the pandemic, but now, he said, "I look at the lack of tests and the confusing messages, and people on my side - for mandates and vaccination - are hesitant to criticize Biden for fear of empowering Trump, but it's a mess."
On seemingly every front in the battle against the coronavirus, the messages are muddled: Test or don't test? Which test? When? Isolate or not? For five days? Ten? Go to school or not? See friends and resume normal life, or hunker down again - and if so, for how long, to what end?
The swift and supremely efficient spread of the omicron variant - 7 million cases in the past month, though deaths have declined slightly in the past two weeks - has unleashed waves of new rules and decisions governing every aspect of life. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's guidance shifts from week to week, with changing recommendations on how long people infected with the virus should isolate and who needs to be tested after symptoms resolve. A half-dozen of President Joe Biden's former health advisers recently called on him to pivot to a "new normal" strategy of living with the coronavirus indefinitely.
That fraying of the public temper was on the mind of CDC Director Rochelle Walensky recently when she said on CNN that although the agency's decision to slice the recommended quarantine period from 10 days to five days was based on scientific findings, it also "really had a lot to do with what we thought people would be able to tolerate. . . . Less than a third of people are isolating when they need to. And so we really want to make sure that we had guidance . . . that people were willing to adhere to."
Handwavium is right. This is how it works in France. See if you can grasp the logic.
You need vaccine and booster to get a health pass. Or a negative test from the past 3 days. They are going to take away the test and recovery options this week though, and make it strictly a vaccine pass.
Packed onto a bus or metro with 50 other people? No pass needed.
Waiting in a lunch line 5 cm apart? Even inside? Fine without a pass (because you are ordering carry out). You can even find police in these lines. It's fine apparently.
Crowded outdoor market or crowded supermarket aisles? No pass needed.
Sitting down at a restaurant eating? BANNED unless you have a pass.
Standing at the bar eating or drinking? BANNED for everyone, even if you do have a pass (seriously, it's specifically forbidden to eat standing up. You can only eat sitting down).
Sitting down at restaurant eating "outside" (including sheltered terraces that are 90% enclosed? Fine without a pass.
The health pass is seriously a joke they invented just to punish unvaccinated people by banning them from doing fun things, with absolutely no connection to spreading the virus or not. But they are just doubling down and blaming unvaccinated people for everything.
I've long thought that covid originated in a lab and escaped by accident, but that info was hidden by the govt and media.
I've long thought that covid originated in a lab and escaped by accident, but that info was hidden by the govt and media.Lots of little details in that. Including talking about Ivermectin as something that inhibits the virus and talk about spike protein vaccines may be problematic.
This article adds some evidence to my beliefs, but I don't know the accuracy of it.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/hidden-military-documents-reveal-nih-intent-create-sars-cov-2-using-gain-function-research
My work said starting in Feb, anyone who is not vaccinated has to get tested weekly and wear a mask 100% of the time on company property. Fun. I hope the SC limits that OSHA order a little bit.
I am also still of this opinion. We are considered crackpots for one of the most logical explanations, as well as one of the most plausible explanations.
Your employer could still enforce that, regardless of the SC decision as a condition of employment, IIRC.That's true, but many businesses are only making it a big stinkin' deal either because of the cover the government mandate provides or because of the threat that it comes with.
The politicians have to Do Something to appease the people who they have scared shitless.IMO, the fear porn is not the cause but a tactic of the whole mess. "Never let a crisis go to waste." They decided this was something they could use because emergency powers and public fear are excellent catalysts for the changes they want.
And they have to do MOAR of it! MOAR!
They are going to FIGHT this! That's what politicians do!
They fight hard on your behalf. Just ask them. They'll tell you about that. MOAR.
It is for your own good, and if you question it, you are denying science (we've had over a year of instruction on that concept), and endangering others. And if you say that Junior probably won't eve notice catching the bug, and that the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits in young people, you are shouted down. Long Covids! Long Covids! Never mind that they aren't venting the kids, etc... Because they don't need to.
They're so damn scared of catching what isn't even the worst cold that I've had... Omegatron was about two days of nasal nasty, coughing, still have a bit of a sore throat.
Maybe I should day home for a month and try to get disability for Long Covids...
That's true, but many businesses are only making it a big stinkin' deal either because of the cover the government mandate provides or because of the threat that it comes with.My employee waited a while before doing anything. OSHA issuing their new rules and trying to move ahead with them is why they did so. They said they will pay for the testing so I can't imagine they would continue to eat that cost and the cost of tracking everything if the rule was struck down.
My company appears to be waiting until it starts getting enforced. The owner doesn't think the mandate is legal or ethical and is hoping it gets sorted out by the Supreme Court before he has to start implementing it.
I'm beginning to understand why so few people want to work these days, and why "remoting" is so popular.My brother works from home for a company that is not even based in his state. They still required vaccination for remote employees.
I am very blessed to be working for a small business, without a lot of the corporate conformity or pressures.
But the "science has changed" [popcorn]
=( Imaging, hating science while posting on the internet! Why do you hate medicine that saves babies? Why do you hate babies WLJ?!?The science is settled!The science is settled!The science is settled!The science is settled!The science is settled!
The science is settled!
The redneck part of me wants to yell "Bleep you, bat eater!"
I think I'm gonna go out for some General Tso's tonight...
But we can’t truly move beyond the pandemic until we talk about "Covid reparations," or compensation for the people who’ve suffered (and continue to suffer) the most because of government failures and historic inequality. For example, there’s overwhelming evidence Black, Latino and Indigenous people have been disproportionately killed by Covid. The idea of Covid reparations isn’t new, and it’s swirled furiously through my mind over the past 23 months, seeing sirens flash and funeral processions pass with unnerving frequency.
The first year of the pandemic, the U.S. response was led by a maniacal president who appeared to deliberately let the virus spread and do damage, so the number of people who could collect on Covid reparations would surely be in the multimillions. But that shouldn’t hinder us from considering how reparations could be implemented. All who endured the Trump administration’s incompetence, families of those who didn’t, and anyone still coping with the government’s lingering Covid-related issues deserve pay.
“Many of us have gone into medicine because we recognize the inequities and we recognize how racism impacts Black communities,” she said. “So for a lot of us, health care work and activism are one in the same.”To move past the pandemic, we need to talk about Covid reparations
But the "science has changed" [popcorn]
You know who needs covid reparations? The essential untouchables who showed up every day, got bitched at by Karens, and who are about this >< far from snapping at the next idjit...
I find it hard to believe they will be able to give up on their dictatorial thinking. They have gotten a taste of it the last couple years and will have a hard time giving it up.
How is this not kidnapping?
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/02/11/child-abuse-is-an-elixir-for-democrats-middle-school-student-locked-in-closet-at-illinois-school-for-not-wearing-a-mask-watch/
Tony Rock 🇺🇸
@Tony_Rock01
Replying to @libsoftiktok
I don’t think there is a group of professionals that came out looking worse during this pandemic than teachers.
https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/easilyaccessible-overthecounter-drug-reduces-covid19-symptoms-suggests-study/?fbclid=IwAR29Lpj8IsqhPkkQWaDaK-tGf2bOgKKa5svTjB_wcm3BODBfJXaMl-1bcSI
https://gut.bmj.com/content/early/2022/02/09/gutjnl-2022-326952
Taking OTC Pepcid may reduce severity and duration of COVID symptoms.
Very interesting. I take the Kirkland equivalent of this because of esophageal damage I got from diving at work. While I had fairly strong symptoms back when I had the covid, I wonder if this actually made them milder than they otherwise would have been?
They'd better not go on the Joe Rogan show with it, or they'll be censored out of existence. :laugh:
I think it would be wonderful if an existing, widely tested, safe, affordable drug could be employed for off-label use to treat COVID symptoms and help people. That would be great. On the other hand, I'm not sure mild improvement of a scant handful of patients a couple of days earlier in a single study is particularly compelling.
However, if you find that tiny study interesting, I bet you could find some other off-label drugs with more and larger studies backing them. ;)
I think it would be wonderful if an existing, widely tested, safe, affordable drug could be employed for off-label use to treat COVID symptoms and help people. That would be great. On the other hand, I'm not sure mild improvement of a scant handful of patients a couple of days earlier in a single study is particularly compelling.
However, if you find that tiny study interesting, I bet you could find some other off-label drugs with more and larger studies backing them. ;)
But, but, but... Tiny studies have no value, and should be ignored, and anyone promoting them should have their licenses to practice stripped.
<there - am I doing that right?>
Covid in Hong Kong right now:It isn't really clear. Are those people all real sick? Or just there to be tested?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1493847637140803584
It isn't really clear. Are those people all real sick? Or just there to be tested?
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/02/18/its-science-totally-va-democrats-busted-in-the-most-embarrassingly-obnoxious-and-obvious-mask-theater-yet-watch/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2789362?guestAccessKey=58760460-df0f-4790-9257-8f3682dca39b&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=021822
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2022/02/18/covid-19-ivermectin-treatment-ineffective-study/3441645193314/
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/97287
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/02/ivermectin-futile-mild-moderate-covid-19-study-finds
More literature on the efficacy of ivermectin.
Study on politics and prescribing: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2789363
So, you think it's safe enough for the majority of people to return to the office, but it's so unsafe that we still have to wear masks?
The fly in the ointment (horsefly in the paste?) is how well in seemed to work in India and a couple other places.
Then I read some speculation that maybe the reason it appeared to work in the predominately poor state in India was that it boosted their immune symptom. Their immune systems functioned better due to ... wait for it... Ivermectin killing all the parasites that their immune system was dealing with, allowing them to fight off Covid. Apparently poor folks in India often have one or more parasite infections. Sounds plausible.
Back in January my company went back to full face masks all the time, to which I said bullshit. I've not put on a mask in weeks. There's hardly anyone in my building.I think a lot of places/companies saw a spike in cases in January after the holidays and case numbers dropped off substantially very quickly. That was the case down here.
Yesterday got an email from one of the big honchos. My company is, starting March 1, moving back to a work from the office model.
No word at all on face masks, but my guess is they're going to double down on masks.
So, you think it's safe enough for the majority of people to return to the office, but it's so unsafe that we still have to wear masks?
Study on politics and prescribing: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2789363
The fly in the ointment (horsefly in the paste?) is how well in seemed to work in India and a couple other places.
Then I read some speculation that maybe the reason it appeared to work in the predominately poor state in India was that it boosted their immune symptom. Their immune systems functioned better due to ... wait for it... Ivermectin killing all the parasites that their immune system was dealing with, allowing them to fight off Covid. Apparently poor folks in India often have one or more parasite infections. Sounds plausible.
Yeah. I read about a huge study in Brazil recently. They put a large population on ivermectin prementively. These had better outcomes with Covid... did the Ivermectin attack the covid, or did it strengthen the folks by getting rid of their parasite load? Same deal...
Was it about a month or so ago when you could register to get free covid tests in the mail within a week?
I got mine last Saturday.
We got our test kits, both from the Feds and Washington state, over three weeks ago.
Kind of nice knowing if it's COVID or just a cold you're coming down with.
I guess I don't understand why you guys care. Commie Pox goes around. You either have it or you don't. The test kits are right up there with a magic 8 ball for efficacy. Which only maybe confirms you're sick. Which you already knew...
I can sort of see it for work, should you be really sick and need an alibi.
What if you don’t want to give it to other people?
Kind of nice knowing if it's COVID or just a cold you're coming down with.
If you're sick, stay home. That SHOULD have been the practice prior to the 'Rona hysteria.That's a great plan, but is kind of like saying "people should save up money for emergencies." It's true, but not always what people actually choose to do.
That's a great plan, but is kind of like saying "people should save up money for emergencies." It's true, but not always what people actually choose to do.
Many people are unlikely stay home if they are only mildly sick (i.e. as COVID19 hits most people) unless they have plenty of paid sick days available.
On the other hand, it is not uncommon for people to use up sick days as quickly as they accrue just so they don't have to go in to work on a Monday or can sleep off a bender. Ultimately, you end up with people staying home when they aren't sick and going to work when they are.
That's a great plan, but is kind of like saying "people should save up money for emergencies." It's true, but not always what people actually choose to do.
Many people are unlikely stay home if they are only mildly sick (i.e. as COVID19 hits most people) unless they have plenty of paid sick days available.
On the other hand, it is not uncommon for people to use up sick days as quickly as they accrue just so they don't have to go in to work on a Monday or can sleep off a bender. Ultimately, you end up with people staying home when they aren't sick and going to work when they are.
In recent years, many healthcare systems have done away with sick days and vacation days as separate accounts. There is now a single account: paid time off. You can choose to allocate your time between sick and vacation up to your limit of paid days off per year. The HR people claim this has really cut down on the Monday morning hangover sick calls.
Stuff my local Aldi is out of:
Pepperoni
House-brand frozen pizzas
Canned biscuits and cinnamon rolls
Eggs have gone from about $1/dozen to $1.89/dozen in the past month or so.
Stuff my local Aldi is out of:
Pepperoni
House-brand frozen pizzas
Canned biscuits and cinnamon rolls
Eggs have gone from about $1/dozen to $1.89/dozen in the past month or so.
How are you not dead yet? And I don't mean from covid. =D
Sam's has been out of their brand of frozen pizza for months now.
Now having trouble finding Red Baron frozen pizza.
I still can't get frozen blueberries or store brand whole grain pasta at my local grocery.
Hair loss from C19 or C19 hysteria induced hair loss?I lost a ton of hair, it has started growing back within the last couple months.
Louisville wig shop owner seeing increase in business due to hair loss from COVID-19
https://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-wig-shop-owner-hair-loss-covid/39288955
Along the lines of this thread and prepping for the near future, if you happened to have a little extra cash available, what would you buy?
I buy a 2.5 gallon jug of 41% glyphosate concentrate about every other year. Finished the last 9f what I had late last fall. Last one I bought still had the price tag on it, $48.99. Current price for the same thing is $119.49.
I know I keep talking about HVAC stuff w/r/t inflation, but yea... I came across an invoice from my distributor from March 29, 2021. 11 months ago.
The furnace cost $1308, the A/C was $2312, and the evaporator $604.
For the same part numbers, those prices are now $1671, $2950 and $772.
+27% in 11 months.
Yeah, but no mean tweets.
I wonder if some of the price increase for glyphosate concentrate is related to the lawsuits currently being waged against its manufacturers? I believe Bayer is the main one.
Well, I don't tweet, so I'm good there. :P
Also, I wouldn't set about pinning it on one party or administration. Like most problems, our money mischief has been going on a long time with bipartisan support, IMO.
I'm pretty sure we all know there'd less inflation if theDem's had less powerthe United States Dollar was issued by the Treasury not a private for-profit bank, and fractional reserve lending was re-outlawed.
This will give you the willies. The monkey willies, that is.
https://scitechdaily.com/covid-infects-penis-testicles-and-prostate-causes-pain-erectile-dysfunction-reduced-sperm-count/
1) Most of us on here are dudes. Many of us have gotten the coof. Anyone here had any symptoms remotely like described? I certainly haven’t.
2) What other diseases (especially other coronaviruses and related diseases) cause similar symptoms?
3) What is the incidence of these problems, vs their incidence in the general population?
Inflation comes from the inflation of the money supply. Some things automatically create inflation by their very existence.
Why don't you just say what you want to say, instead of pretending it was somehow a contradiction of what I said? Does it bother you that much for someone to point out one difference between the parties? Why?
I did say I wanted to say. Now I will expound. Neither side of the uniparty is interested in fiscal responsibility. Asserting one side is responsible for inflation is false in two ways: first it perpetuates the illusion of the two party system, and second it obfuscates the systemic origins of our monetary problems.
So why do you have a problem with my correcting your empirically wrong, political, propaganda-like, drive-by post? Why did you need to make it personal?
Why don't you just say what you want to say, instead of pretending it was somehow a contradiction of what I said? Does it bother you that much for someone to point out one difference between the parties? Why?
I did say I wanted to say. Now I will expound. Neither side of the uniparty is interested in fiscal responsibility. Asserting one side is responsible for inflation is false in two ways: first it perpetuates the illusion of the two party system, and second it obfuscates the systemic origins of our monetary problems.
The ballot box is only going to be used to change things until it becomes apparent that it is broken...The ballot box hasn't worked in a very long time. Most every major election is fake. The uniparty decides who wins. It appears they weren't completely fabricating the results until the last few election cycles. Trump may not be a good guy but his first election he definitely overwhelmed their ability to flip elections. You better believe they are working on making sure that never happens again. For whatever reason Trump went around pointing out the fakery in a lot of things and they didn't kill him. Fake news, fake elections and fake representatives, the American myth either never was (fake along) or is dead (fake now).
The ballot box is only going to be used to change things until it becomes apparent that it is broken...
Chicken nuggets at Costco: $13.99 last time we bought them, $16.99 last month, $19.99 today
Chicken nuggets at Costco: $13.99 last time we bought them, $16.99 last month, $19.99 today
The ballot box is only going to be used to change things until it becomes apparent that it is broken...
QuoteI did say I wanted to say. Now I will expound. Neither side of the uniparty is interested in fiscal responsibility. Asserting one side is responsible for inflation is false in two ways: first it perpetuates the illusion of the two party system, and second it obfuscates the systemic origins of our monetary problems.
Absolutely on point.
I will say that I find it a little tiring and unproductive. If one party is more fiscally responsible than the other, it's marginal at best. Politicians like to frame things in a tribal us-vs-them manner as a divide and conquer tactic. Everything is spun as the fault of the other tribe, always. I don't think being stuck in this us-vs-them mindset is helpful for thinking clearly about politics.
Are there some values and priorities where the parties are significantly or even directly opposed? Sure. This isn't one of them.
This comment makes a lot less sense when you remember that it was kgbsquirrel who started the argument. All I initially said was a boilerplate joke about "mean tweets." Was that really such a trenchant argument for two-party tribalism that the two of you had to veer the whole thread into uniparty talk? Who's being more "tiring and unproductive" here?
This comment makes a lot less sense when you remember that it was kgbsquirrel who started the argument. All I initially said was a boilerplate joke about "mean tweets." Was that really such a trenchant argument for two-party tribalism that the two of you had to veer the whole thread into uniparty talk? Who's being more "tiring and unproductive" here?
So what you are really saying is you deny there is a uniparty? :rofl:
Quite amusing watching a bunch of unibrows debate the concept of a uniparty... :rofl:(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FFmqJBpDLEP1zW%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1)
This post is a placeholder to drive that creepy gif off the screen!
It's too bad that it is so hard for someone to quote that picture.
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What a shocking turn! Who could have predicted this?^ instigator ^
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Nope, I was good with that. And noted it wouldn't be a "mean tweet" because I wouldn't do the standard "nastiness towards the current administration" thing that the left likes to decry as "mean tweets", because I don't see it that way. This is what you meant be "mean tweet", correct? The hypocrisy of the left when people start calling their guys out?
You countered that point of view, kgb joined in, we had a discussion, and here we are.
Not sure what you're thinking of.
"Yeah, but no mean tweets" has become a common way of noting how much better things aren't, now that we have Biden, instead of Trump. Depending on context, it could actually be taken as a comment on how little the two parties differ. Or not.
But, as kgb has admitted, folk like him can't interpret any slight toward the Biden administration as anything but some kind of high praise for the GOP, the party God votes for!
Ya never know what's going to set those people off.
Not sure what you're thinking of.
"Yeah, but no mean tweets" has become a common way of noting how much better things aren't, now that we have Biden, instead of Trump. Depending on context, it could actually be taken as a comment on how little the two parties differ. Or not.
But, as kgb has admitted, folk like him can't interpret any slight toward the Biden administration as anything but some kind of high praise for the GOP, the party God votes for!
Ya never know what's going to set those people off.
That is your assumption. And it is false. You seem to really be upset that I asserted your statement is wrong.
That’s the uniparty theory of American politics, right?Sometimes. Other times they are literally identical and there is absolutely no difference between the two.
Mild COVID-19 cases were linked to changes in the brain, in a newly published study.
Approximately 785 people underwent a brain scan and about half later tested positive for COVID-19. All the participants got a second brain scan, including those who had survived the disease.
Researchers from the Wellcome Centre for Integrative Neuroimaging at the University of Oxford analyzed the scans and found the participants infected with COVID-19 had a reduction in the thickness of gray matter—which helps humans perform various functions such as making decisions—and other negative outcomes.
“Despite the infection being mild for 96% of our participants, we saw a greater loss of grey matter volume, and greater tissue damage in the infected participants, on average 4.5 months after infection,” professor Gwenaëlle Douaud, the study’s lead author, said in a statement.
“They also showed greater decline in their mental abilities to perform complex tasks, and this mental worsening was partly related to these brain abnormalities. All these negative effects were more marked at older ages.”
The paper was published in Nature following peer review.
Well, this is an interesting study that I might be able to use as an excuse. =)And people thought the zombie virus jokes were just fantasy. =)
Part of the grey matter reduction was in areas that affect olfactory senses, which makes me wonder if there is actually any true recovery from that side effect. While I can smell a lot of stuff again, some stuff has what seems to be a permanent "new smell" to it, and I still get ghost smells.
The study apparently didn't take vaccination status into account, which would have been interesting to me.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/even-mild-cases-of-covid-19-can-lead-to-brain-changes-study_4323882.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04569-5
My phantom smells just about disappear when taking Benadryl. I would be interested to know if you experience the same thing, you might want to experiment. My phantom smell symptom is also much worse when I'm worn down or have a lack of sleep. Have you noticed any pattern?
Found primers in the wild today behind the counter at a fair sized gun store.For some rifle primers, I could see getting some since some ammo is still hard to find.
Winchester large and small pistol.
Appeared to be new production.
Apparently they are now made of gold and platinum.
$96 a 1000. I've heard of higher prices, might be a positive sign. A little steep for me though.
For some rifle primers, I could see getting some since some ammo is still hard to find.
For pistol, maybe. I guess even 9mm is still twice what it was Others like 45 and 10mm are worse.
I picked up 50 rounds each of .38, .357 and .45 so I can take thing 1 to the range for pistol intro (yeah, I know, .22lr would be better first time with a handgun but those are the caliber guns I actually have already, besides she wants to shoot the ones I have). $110 after tax. And that was the CHEAP ammo.
UPDATE: today my son, who faces severe speech delays and needs to see faces and be able to see his own, toddled off happily to pre-K at school (he goes b/c CPS has therapy options).https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/03/23/child-abuse-jeff-blehars-special-needs-son-left-cps-pre-k-today-with-a-mask-forcibly-tied-to-his-face-by-a-teacher-crying/
He was returned to me two hours later with a mask forcibly tied to his face by a teacher. Crying. https://t.co/TnaTZUGAGj
— Jeff B. is *BOX OFFICE POISON* (@EsotericCD) March 23, 2022
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/03/23/child-abuse-jeff-blehars-special-needs-son-left-cps-pre-k-today-with-a-mask-forcibly-tied-to-his-face-by-a-teacher-crying/
When you get most of the way through, and the phone rings, please ensure that you are NOT drinking a beverage.I was thinking he should have had a 2nd power to issue vax cards
Pfizer-Man (Official Trailer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfGOvVnVY_c
This is worth a few minutes to watch. =)
White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki claimed Thursday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has tested positive for the coronavirus, kissing President Biden on the cheek and holding his hand did not meet the White House’s definition of "close contact."
"How can you guys say that President Biden was not a close contact with speaker Pelosi when there's video of the speaker kissing him?" Fox News’ Peter Doocy asked Psaki on Thursday.
White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki claimed Thursday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has tested positive for the coronavirus, kissing President Biden on the cheek and holding his hand did not meet the White House’s definition of "close contact."
In the Fox News story about Nancy Pelosi testing positive today for Covid:
Here is the link to the story:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/psaki-pelosi-kissing-biden-cdcs-bar-close-contact (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/psaki-pelosi-kissing-biden-cdcs-bar-close-contact)
A rabid fox has been "humanely euthanised" after at least biting nine people - including a congressman and a journalist - in Washington DC.
Now rabies
Rabid fox bites nine people on US Capitol Hill
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61031683
Poor fox, getting rabies from that Dem congresscritter.
The U.S. State Department on April 9 warned Americans to think twice before traveling to China owing to the Chinese regime’s “arbitrary” COVID-19 measures. It also authorized non-essential government employees and their families to leave its Shanghai consulate amid a citywide lockdown.
“American citizens are asked to reconsider travel to the PRC [People’s Republic of China] due to arbitrary enforcement of local laws and COVID-19-related restrictions,” the U.S. Embassy in China said in a statement.
It added: “Additionally, American citizens should not travel to the PRC’s Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, Jilin Province, and Shanghai municipality due to COVID-19-related restrictions, including the risk of parents and children being separated.”
On April 10, Shanghai health officials reported 24,943 new infection cases in the previous 24 hours of the Omicron variant of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, bringing the city’s total since March to over 170,000. However, many more people could have been infected, as experts and Chinese residents have said Chinese officials are under-reporting infection and death figures.
Shanghai officials have imposed draconian measures taken from the communist regime’s “zero-COVID” playbook. The city has been under lockdown since March 28, and April 9 marked the fourth consecutive day of the city’s residents undergoing citywide COVID-19 testing.
My take is that I think that China is hoping that the USA does another lockdown, only this time follows the new example.
Well, there's obviously a new and very infectious new strain that blows through vaccinations. Yet unlike when other stuff wasn't in the news, and before US politicians saw covid fatigue in the population that might affect their reelection, this super-virulent strain that is infecting half of China seems to be stopped by force fields at our borders. At least for now. When theMSM needs headlinesDemocrats need to take total control of the mid-term elections, it will suddenly start infecting the US.
Shanghai is fencing in entire neighborhoods.Are they seeing record COVID deaths or just cases? Most of the stuff I have come across just mentions cases. And it seems like they are locking up entire buildings due to some cases in the building.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/04/25/as-health-officials-begin-to-fence-in-residents-in-shanghai-panic-buying-hits-beijing/
I just heard on the TV that China is currently seeing record covid deaths. That would indicate infection rates far beyond those at the beginning of the covid panic. Yet covid is hardly mentioned here in the US anymore? Where we have relaxed both national and incoming international restrictions? At the beginning of the panic, you couldn't go a day without hearing from every MSM source that someone came in from another country and became a covid superspreader.
Also, here's the current (1245 Zulu, 25APR) state of shipping off of Shanghai. I wouldn't expect the supply chain to get back to normal anytime soon.
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:121.9/centery:30.6/zoom:8
Are they seeing record COVID deaths or just cases? Most of the stuff I have come across just mentions cases.
China has a low vaccine rate for it's old people. Maybe they don't trust their government.
Are they dying of covid or with covid and a boot on their neck?
And... The low information/progressive virtue signalers are still wearing masks and lecturing people. The covid dancers are still doing their thing.And the spark plug will be packed and boxed by people who were not essential retail (and may have COVID!). >:D
My standard reply at this point?
"I had to get the shots. Essential retail. If the people screeching about it were right, I should have been dead last year. We have a web site, and you can have that spark plug for your lawnmower delivered."
And... The low information/progressive virtue signalers are still wearing masks and lecturing people. The covid dancers are still doing their thing.
My standard reply at this point?
"I had to get the shots. Essential retail. If the people screeching about it were right, I should have been dead last year. We have a web site, and you can have that spark plug for your lawnmower delivered."
What is in your water? We still got a few mask wearers here, but they keep their business to themselves and go about the day in society. I haven't seen anyone mask or no mask harass anyone with the opposite for a while.
What is in your water? We still got a few mask wearers here, but they keep their business to themselves and go about the day in society. I haven't seen anyone mask or no mask harass anyone with the opposite for a while.
If I go to Kroger maybe 2 out of 10 people will be wearing masks. Never seen anyone lectured over it.
Used to be on the nextdoor app someone almost every day would be screeching about seeing someone in a store without a mask usually followed by I will never shop there again but even that seems to have largely died off.
The Missouri River curves to the north just before turning back to the south, and joining the Mississippi, just up-river from St. Louis. On the western bank of that north-running stretch of the river stands St Charles, Missouri. St Charles is a suburb of St. Louis these days, but still far out enough that it can support a Bass Pro shop, and several other gun stores. It's the kind of place where you can find an entire store devoted to jerked meats, as well as a Duluth Trading store, a 5.11, and a Carhartt outlet. It's where I used to shop, to avoid the mask-nazism in St Louis County. Even at the height of pandemic paranoia, there was a Goodcents deli where only a few customers (and none of the staff) wore masks.
I say all that to note that the Half-Price Books in St Charles is plastered with at least a half-dozen signs about its mask mandate. And they enforce it. Or at least it was that way a month ago.
The madness has its pockets where it persists.
^^^So clearly, you survived your latest involvement with the medical system.
Meanwhile at Costco
https://twitter.com/lightspeedo69/status/1518976955948822529
^^^So clearly, you survived your latest involvement with the medical system.
I wonder if this was St. Louis?
https://gunfreezone.net/they-asked-for-tolerance-but-give-none/
Fauci is saying the pandemic is over, even while China locks people in.
Can he now go away and never be heard from again?
Do any of you guys know Miggy from GunFreeZone? I think he'd be a good addition to our little thing here.
a large-scale study conducted in Japan found that masks do not help defend against viruses such as the 2009 influenza. Instead, the main advantage of masks is to cause frightened behavior.
“The major efficacy of a mask is that it causes alarm in the other person, so you stay away from each other,” Garrett said.
There's a French study that concluded the opposite... people stamd closer to strangers when they are masked. Whether it's because they felt safer, or because they can't hear as well and get closer to be able to hear, is uncertain.
The report from OpenTheBooks.com said the royalty payments, including at least 23 to Fauci and 14 to his former boss, Collins, were paid out between 2010 and 2020. Government scientists got the payments for being credited as “co-inventors” of various treatments and pharmaceutical products, according to the report.
“Because those payments enrich the agency and its scientists, each and every royalty payment could be a potential conflict of interest and needs disclosure,” OpenTheBooks.com co-founder and CEO Adam Andrzejewski wrote. “NIH is a revolving door of tens of billions of dollars in government grant-making coupled with hundreds of millions of dollars in private – non-transparent – royalty payments.”
Many Europeans tend to have a much smaller "personal space buffer" than do Americans. I don't know if that might contribute. I don't know what the Japanese personal space boundary is.
So communication was a big factor in the french study.
Shanghai officials will over the next few days further restrict access to food and hospitals in some parts of the city, the most severe phase of its extended lockdown yet.
Commercial food deliveries are not allowed and access to hospitals for all but emergencies must first be approved.
Neighbours of Covid-19 cases and others living close by are also being forced into government quarantine facilities.
More Shanghai news
Shanghai moves to impose tightest restrictions yet
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61404082
It's also damn near impossible for your basic communist village-based agrarian society to support manufacturing...
China absolutely does not have an overpopulation problem. Even before Covid. Their 1-child policy was far too successful. It’s now thought the 2000 census overcounted the (by now) under 35 cohort by 100mil. The child bearing age Chinese are not reproducing and anywhere close to replacement rates. They’re now the fastest aging society in history. Getting rid of the elderly has more to do with reducing the burden on the younger generations than reducing overall population. For the simple reason that there aren’t enough younger Chinese to care for the elderly.You mean an tyrannical govt policy meant to solve a problem did not work? The hell you say!
You mean an tyrannical govt policy meant to solve a problem did not work? The hell you say!
:laugh:
Dara Kass, MD
@darakass
It’s gotten to the point where I am rapid testing myself for COVID 2-3x/week because I like to see people and most of my gatherings involve food or drink.
How often are you testing?
Two to three times a week? Have they come up with the name for covidphobia yet?
More like covidphilia...
Common Sense: Quarantine care facilities to curtail the possibility of nosocomial infection
Democrats: Covid patients have a right to be placed in any care facility
Cuomo: Puts patients in nursing homes and tries to put them on the navy hospital ship.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-staSo they are saying the majority of the people who died would have died whether all adults were vaccinated or not.
So they are saying the majority of the people who died would have died whether all adults were vaccinated or not.Their claim is that from the point at which the vaccine was available, if everyone were vaccinated there would have been a further 72,324 deaths.
All of this comes down to trust – whether the political leadership creates the climate of trust in the public health agencies' efforts, in the science, in the ability of the health care system to deliver," Tsai says. "To me, this is a map of trust."This. Less than ideal vaccine acceptance has been caused by a continual failure of the public health system and their industry partners to establish and maintain trust based on their handling of this pandemic. If a more serious pandemic happens in the next generation I foresee a near total breakdown in any public health measures that are implemented.
So they are saying the majority of the people who died would have died whether all adults were vaccinated or not.
So the whole study would be one big error bar.
Guess he has to wear the mask when he's coming off the plane, since he's still officially pushing masks on planes for the rest of us.
None of it makes sense, though.
How much you want to bet Biden put the mask on just before he deplaned? Never miss a photo op.
How much you want to bet Biden put the mask on just before he deplaned? Never miss a photo op.
And then he took it off as soon as he got face to face with the South Korean representatives. Makes sense. :O =| ???
Dr. Karen flips out because a dishwasher delivery crew weren't wearing N95 masks. They were wearing masks just not N95s
I love the ending :rofl:
Thread from a Mass. doctor who flipped out on a dishwasher delivery crew over cloth masks has a surprise ending
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/28/thread-from-a-mass-doctor-who-flipped-out-on-a-dishwasher-delivery-crew-over-cloth-masks-has-a-surprise-ending/
I've seen many kitchens that had a hardwood floor installed without putting it under the dishwasher making removal almost impossible. But I think they just got tired of her crap.
At the grocery just now, watched on of the local covid dancers going entirely beyond the pale of OCD on wiping down a shopping cart.
That had been outside.
In the rain.
"Stendos"??
Dr. Fauci on Monday regretted not pushing for more stringent Covid restrictions during an appearance on The Hill’s “Rising” with hosts Robby Soave and Batya Ungar-Sargon.In 2020, masks and physical distancing were all they were talking about. I thought Fauci was the one that talked Trump into the "2 week" lockdown that turned into 2 months or more.
“We know now, 2-and-a-half years later that anywhere from 50%-60% of the transmission occurred from someone without symptoms – either someone who will never get symptoms or someone who is in the pre-symptomatic stage,” Fauci said.
“Had we known that then, the insidious nature of spread in the community would have been much more of an alarm and there would have been much, much more stringent restrictions in the sense of very, very encouraging people to wear masks, physical distancing or what have you,” Fauci said.
"The vaccine isn't gene therapy" "it doesn't effect DNA" story is showing some serious cracks.That is interesting. I remember hearing some people speculate that large amounts of the spike protein in the system could cause some of the side effects reported. This sounds more like the RNA effects might be sloppy (for a lack of a better word) in some cases and affect more than they were intended (if I am reading it right).
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-mccullough-covid-jabs-alteration-of-dna-could-extend-to-reproductive-cells-affect-babies/
"The vaccine isn't gene therapy" "it doesn't effect DNA" story is showing some serious cracks.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-mccullough-covid-jabs-alteration-of-dna-could-extend-to-reproductive-cells-affect-babies/
This is the definition of result oriented reporting - it’s trash.
If you follow the links, that is clearly not what the study said and this conspiracy theory website even quotes a geneticist who calls the title “misleading.”
This is the definition of result oriented reporting - it’s trash.
Guys, come on man, if you're not gonna flush at least put the lid down.
The definition of you.
If you follow the links, that is clearly not what the study said and this conspiracy theory website even quotes a geneticist who calls the title “misleading.”A little more detail would be nice. Which link are you referring to? What was the quote that called it misleading?
This is the definition of result oriented reporting - it’s trash.
Don’t take my word for it - ask your own doctor what he thinks of this crap.A disturbingly high amount of conspiracy, trash reporting has been ending up closer to the truth than the official narratives.
It’s hilarious how similar right and left can be when it comes to buying into bs only because it suits the narrative.
A little more detail would be nice. Which link are you referring to? What was the quote that called it misleading?
Most of the links I see go to other articles on the same site.
A recently published scientific article[1] shows evidence that it is not possible to guarantee that mRNA in the Pfizer genomic COVID “vaccine” will never be integrated into the DNA of cells with which it is in contact.This is the first sentence from that link. Doesn't say they can guarantee it is happening, just that they cannot rule it out and other studies are only short term. I believe in the past, it was claimed this could never happen and this says that may not be true.
Titled “Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line,” the study appears to justify concerns that the genomic “vaccines” could potentially be modifying, to an unknown extent, the DNA of at least some of the 5 billion individuals having received at least one dose to date.This statement right after is very carefully worded also. Considering we are talking about 5 billion people getting vaccinated, it is important to know.
French geneticist Professor Alexandra Henrion-Caude told LifeSiteNews that while she felt a little uncomfortable with the somewhat “misleading” way in which the title presented this study to the readers, the issue of the fate of the mRNA in humans should have prompted a worldwide immediate concern, and should warrant far more prudence and studies addressing the risk of “reverse transcription” and “integration,” and thus potential human modification.Uncomfortable with the claim, but it warrants further study. Is this the quote you are referring to?
There are countries out there that claim total (UAE) or near total vaccination (Singapore, China, Portugal).
None have yet eradicated COVID.
Herd immunity acquired through vaccination and recovered infection was one thing I had hoped to see, but absent a more effective vaccine or protocol that prevents transfer eradication does not appear to be something that is ever going to happen.
Good news everyone! The Science has released his most recent encyclical complete with new revelations.
The Science sayeth now that the utterly ineffective measures ordered to prevent COVID from spreading are suddenly no longer necessary! I'm sure that will comfort you all to hear.
Also - and this is going to blow your socks off - did you know that recovering from COVID might provide about as much protection (or not) as having had the vaccine? This is an amazing new dogma which The Science (peace be unto him) has revealed to us.
Through most of the "crisis" I was watching one of the statistical sites. It was interesting to me to note that through the whole thing, Idaho, where everyone pretty much did whatever they want and everything was open, had close to the same per capita infection and death rate as locked down California.
That's not to say that it was a standard - very locked down states like Hawaii did better than Idaho, but other open states did better than Idaho and California. If someone wants to debate with me that a complete lockdown (like Australia) creates less infections and death, I will listen, because it probably does. The question is whether it's worth it or not. "Lockdowns" like California and New York, where you had things like senseless restaurant rules, and arresting lone people outdoors who were not near anyone or anything, did nothing. Well, except ruin the economy.
I have covid right now, had a 103 fever and still at 100 3 days later. Got jj and Pfizer booster. Starting to think vaccines not only don't work, but it sure seems like vaxed people are the ones repeatedly getting it, like the vaccine actually made it worse.
I have covid right now, had a 103 fever and still at 100 3 days later. Got jj and Pfizer booster. Starting to think vaccines not only don't work, but it sure seems like vaxed people are the ones repeatedly getting it, like the vaccine actually made it worse.I am hearing that comment quite a bit these days. At the least, I think they over played the effectiveness a lot (lied would be a better description) and hid the fact that reactions/side effects are at a higher rate than most vaccines.
I am hearing that comment quite a bit these days. At the least, I think they over played the effectiveness a lot (lied would be a better description) and hid the fact that reactions/side effects are at a higher rate than most vaccines.
Caveat: Before the vaccine, they were saying a portion of the population would be immune or just never get it. I tend to think a lot of the unvaccinated falls in that category.
That sad/frustrating part is industries still talking about labor shortages after they fired people who were not vaccinated.
That sad/frustrating part is industries still talking about labor shortages after they fired people who were not vaccinated.
Seren's veterinarian still won't let people in the office. They come out, take your pet in, and you wait in the parking lot.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/omicron-s-mutations-impaired-vaccine-effectiveness-cdc-says/ar-AA115Zc0
Are the boosters also mRNA technology, or are they conventional "hair of the dog" vaccines?mRNA is what they are saying to get for the Boosters unless you had a reaction to it already, then you can look at J&J for a booster.
mRNA is what they are saying to get for the Boosters unless you had a reaction to it already, then you can look at J&J for a booster.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/booster-shot.html#footnote01
Unfortunately, my choice is either to get boosted, or not to get boosted. I get most of my health care through the VA hospital, and they're locked into Pfizer and Moderna.At least around here you can go to pretty much any pharmacy, walmart, or target and get the shot/booster for free.
Djokovic, the 2022 Wimbledon champion, will miss the U.S. Open over his refusal to get vaccinated.
Biden has been widely criticized for continuing to allow illegal immigrants to be released into border towns while displaying symptoms of the coronavirus, and the number of migrants infected with the virus has surged almost 1,000% in some border sectors.
Through the fog of data, so it goes, deaths from pneumonia and the flu fell during the COVID era, classified instead as COVID deaths. According to the hoax theory, the actual danger posed by COVID was greatly overstated, because deaths caused by COVID were overstated. But there is one thing that cannot be as easily obscured via errors in classification, and that is total deaths from all causes.
Referred to by statisticians and epidemiologists as “excess deaths,” this is a far less controversial data point. After all, it has an unambiguous essence: you are dead, or you are not dead. What may ail you or how you died is irrelevant. Since the COVID era began in 2020, using weekly reports issued by the CDC, I’ve been tracking total deaths in the United States. Using these same CDC reports, which go back to 2013, I’ve been comparing total deaths over the past 2.5 years to the averages based on the six years preceding 2020. The chart below clearly shows that something terrible has been happening and that it may not be over.
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If you compare how many people died in America during the COVID era to how many people would normally have died based on six years of prior year CDC data on deaths from all causes, the excess deaths are 25 percent over normal. Twenty five percent. With the sole exception of the Spanish Flu pandemic a century ago, there has never been a die-off in the United States on this scale.
By any standard, what has happened has been catastrophic for this country. We may never know how many of these excess deaths were from COVID, from deferred treatment for other ailments, from elevated numbers of people committing suicide, or from adverse reactions to the vaccines. But one thing must be understood unequivocally, and it ought to go without saying: This has been a tragedy on an epic scale and one from which we can only hope we have learned a great deal.
For starters, and while avoiding a socialist overreaction, we may begin keeping a closer eye on the pharmaceutical industry. The accomplishments of this industry must be acknowledged. Precision medicine is coming, and the days of many dread diseases are numbered. But that day will come sooner if Americans can root out the corruption in this industry, as well as in its supposed overseers.
It is important to recognize that not all players in the pharmaceutical industry are guilty of corruption, but some of the biggest have a sordid record indeed. They have hooked half the nation on anti-anxiety medications, they’ve pushed medication onto millions of children, they’ve pushed opiates out to masses of people, they’ve arguably oversold vaccines of all kinds, and they exercised far too much influence over the COVID response—including the shameful suppression of any experimental treatments or therapies they couldn’t control. Now some of them are pushing “gender confirmation” drugs, which transsexuals have to take for the rest of their lives. If that’s not enough, as we learned over the past few years, American pharmaceutical manufacturers have offshored production of many of our most essential drugs to China.
Meanwhile, it’s necessary to continue to investigate what has caused millions of excess deaths. But what is indisputable is this: In just over two years, over 1.5 million people are dead in America who in normal times would have been alive today. Even now, based on the most recent data available, deaths from all causes in America are still not quite 15 percent above normal.
A mass die-off is still happening in America and reportedly around the world as well, and we have no idea what’s coming next.
"and we have no idea what’s coming next."I am not sure what we knew. What we were told was millions of deaths. Maybe that happened over a couple years, but people responded as if it would happen in a month.
Yeah, because before COVID we had 100% comprehension what was coming next.
WFT? ;/
I read it as if he was sort of expecting an infestation of fire-breathing zombie plague ants...
Cause by climate change
And Trump :rofl:
And here... It killed the hell out of geezers, and SOME folks who where expensive...
Nowhere near all of 'em... I figure we're going to be seeing damn near every death in a nursing home listed as the 'Rona.
But they won't say anything about nursing homes.
So, it is looking like that horse dewormer actually has efficacy around the 'vids...
Is anyone gonna apologize?
Apparently covid hysteria is still a thing in places like NYC:
https://twitchy.com/amy-313134/2022/09/05/this-is-a-thing-blue-check-md-uses-personal-co2-monitor-to-keep-an-eye-on-levels-in-public-spaces/
Went to the VA hospital and they are still demanding masks. Nice to know it's either comply or no medical care.
Most places like McD's, Wendy's, etc., are running shorter hours, and many are still not open inside. They've trained the customers to use the drive-thru, and to wait 15-20 minutes.And pay more than what a decent sit-down meal cost two and a half years ago.
Went to the VA hospital and they are still demanding masks. Nice to know it's either comply or no medical care.
Here in Washington and Oregon, everyone is still required to wear masks in healthcare facilities by state law.For some reason I read this in Donnie Baker's voice, and I'll say it right to your face.
Here in Washington and Oregon, everyone is still required to wear masks in healthcare facilities by state law.
And pay more than what a decent sit-down meal cost two and a half years ago.
"equivalent" is not the word I would use, but I am sure it was a little cheaper. =)
Actually, right now, from lunchtime experience, Mickey D's is cheaper than Wendy's, Burger King, and White Castle for equivalent amounts of chow... Haven't been to Taco Hell in a while.
Use the apps.
2 friends are moving to Montana. I’m seeing more attractions to that.
Does either plan to become a dental floss tycoon?
I just saw one of the "covid dancers" Bogie is always going on about. They were riding a bicycle on a city street, wearing a poorly-fitted surgical mask, and no helmet :rofl:
I think that the best one overall was the guy who had a set of blue gloves on,
The research, funded in part by a grant from the National Institutes of Health, found that against the omicron variant of COVID-19, children in the study group ended up seeing negative — yes, negative — effectiveness some 20 weeks after being vaccinated after peaking between 60 and 70 percent effectiveness.
Not sure if it's more of a Covid issue, or more of a Bidenomics thing, but the price of an oil change seems to have doubled. I'm glad we'll be back in our house, soon, where I can do my own.
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/do-covid-19-vaccines-help-keep-you-from-going-bald/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR19-6gRmellzOdMsdQa3Hnq3St2kEfTXBj-yC01lClR_IJUzu6_IcIPe3A#Echobox=1664461435C. Some people just read headlines before reposting.
A. For me, it is too fu*king late since I started losing my hair 40 years ago
B. For me, the vax does not regrow hair
C. Some people just read headlines before reposting.
D. The joke, it went whoosing over your head. No doubt covered by luxuriant hair not affected by Covid.I guess you had to be there.
Boston University - the new Wuhan:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/boston-university-lethal-covid-strain-lab
NY State Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay, says the state violated rights, acted arbitrary & capricious, notes:“Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19.”
[popcorn]I was wondering if stuff like that would start happening. I didn't expect the Biden Admin to do anything, but this is different.
BIG –> NY State Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay, says state (ahem, Dems) violated rights
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/10/25/big-ny-state-supreme-court-reinstates-all-fired-unvaccinated-employees-orders-backpay-says-state-ahem-dems-violated-rights/
They made their ruling, now let's see them enforce it.
The principals actors making the calls to ignore it face no negative consequences and their lawyer friends stand to make serious money on the taxpayers dime defending the action.
Why the hell should they worry?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2797483
Key Points
Question Does ivermectin, 400 μg/kg, daily for 3 days, compared with placebo, shorten symptom duration among adult (≥30 years) outpatients in the US with symptomatic mild to moderate COVID-19?
Findings In this double-blinded, randomized, placebo-controlled platform trial conducted in the US during a period of Delta and Omicron variant predominance, and that included 1591 adult outpatients with COVID-19, the posterior probability of improvement in time to recovery in those treated with ivermectin vs placebo had a hazard ratio of 1.07, with a posterior probability of benefit of .91. This did not meet the prespecified threshold of posterior probability greater than .95.
Meaning These findings do not support the use of ivermectin in outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19.
Now, the first research in the U.S. is underway, tracking adverse health effects — if any — that may appear in the years following a diagnosis of vaccine-associated heart problems. Moderna has already launched two trials, the most recent in September. Pfizer confirmed that at least one of its trials, which will include up to 500 teens and young adults under age 21, is slated to begin in the next couple of months.
Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks underway
https://archive.ph/ZZo9K
I would prefer to see the problems and total vaccine doses broken down by age group rather than comparing everything to total vaccines administered.
REP. JACKSON LEE: "Reparations for African-Americans could have cut COVID-19 transmission and infection rates both among blacks and the population at large." pic.twitter.com/GpgKBr2AHfhttps://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/11/17/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-cites-study-that-reparations-could-have-cut-covid-transmission/
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) November 17, 2022
Things would be have been much better if we have had...well....
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/11/17/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-cites-study-that-reparations-could-have-cut-covid-transmission/
:facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c
...
And... Today, Aldi's butter was about $4/pound, and eggs were at $2.85.
"Boy, $2.85! I sure do miss the 90 cent a dozen eggs from a little over two years ago! I wonder what happened?"
(oh, and I wore a red hat shopping...)
I just opened the Aldis online circular.
Holy *expletive deleted*ck. The ENTIRE goddamned page is wall to wall *expletive deleted*ing third-party advertisements with a small section in the center for the circular. It's insane.
And a significant portion of them are for some stupid free PDF viewer.
Wait. My bad. I picked up the weekly ad from a third party aggregator site, NOT Aldi's site.
Won't make that mistake again.
Enjoy the ransomware virus it just downloaded into your system >:D
Wow - in its latest round of lockdowns due to "severe outbreaks", China has some people who have been confined to their homes for 100+ days. In the meantime, I guess it's a non-issue in the US. Lots of possible discussion points here from why a country with authoritarian lockdowns since the beginning is still overwhelmed, while the US, packed with rubes in flyover country who didn't do what they were told, seems to have covid in the background, to how and when our MSM makes stuff a big deal or not depending on their agenda.I got COVID a few weeks ago (first time). Had chills one day so I figure I must have had a fever that day. None the next day. Sinus congestion lingered, but not sure if that was COVID or if COVID just made me vulnerable to something else. Had to take a home test before going back to work and tested positive. Anyway, for me it was not severe and I never had any breathing issues outside the sinus congestion. Pretty sure my sense of smell is degraded, but I don't think it is gone. I made biscuits last weekend and I could smell that. I find I am not smelling bacon when I make that in the frying pan. I turn on the vent fan in the bathroom out of habit, but not smelling that either. Weird.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/huge-covid-protests-erupt-chinas-xinjiang-after-deadly-fire-2022-11-26/
My physical therapy provider just went optional mask free as of today.
Woo hoo.
I was, however, one of the few.
Still required at my doctor's office, but the staff is very hit or miss with adhering to their own policy. I had a staff member shove a mask at me last week, when she herself had a mask just dangling from one ear. Other staff couldn't be bothered to wear a mask.
Still required for all patients, visitors, and staff in Washington.Don’t feel bad, most public health policy relating to COVID has been hot garbage.
Official figures quietly published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) confirm nearly half a million children and young adults have died ever since the Food & Drug Administration first granted emergency use authorisation to a Covid-19 vaccine in the USA.
This has sadly resulted in nearly 118,000 excess deaths compared to the 2015-2019 average.
The figures also reveal that there have been 7,680 more excess deaths among children and young adults in 2022 so far compared to the same time frame in 2020 at the height of the alleged Covid-19 pandemic.
CDC quietly confirms at least 118k Children & Young Adults have ‘Died Suddenly’ in the USA since the roll-out of the COVID Vaccines
https://www.sgtreport.com/2022/12/cdc-quietly-confirms-at-least-118k-children-young-adults-have-died-suddenly-in-the-usa-since-the-roll-out-of-the-covid-vaccines/
All statistics, but might be interesting.
So, intentions aside, at what point does this count as a genocide?
Died with the vaccine, or died from the vaccine?Yep, just statistics at this point. Not hard proof. Like a lot of bits of information that have come out over the last two years, we will see.
Couldn't resist.
Also, not to be a debunker of propaganda, but that scary chart that the SGT Report made from data they "stumbled upon"? The one that shows excess deaths peaking between week 30 and week 40 of 2021, and then blames the COVID-19 "injection"? You know what else peaked in Jul-Oct of 2021? Yeah, COVID cases. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklycases_totalcasesper100k_00
I'm not going to sit here and tell you that COVID is the plague, or that the vaccines were everything they were claimed to be. I'll not defend any mandate, it always should have been a person's choice. But if you are going to claim that half a miliion Americans died as a result of the vaccine, you are going to need some real data, not an infowars-lite that's hypothesis can be dunked on in 25 seconds of looking at a chart. you will also need to do better than a #diedsuddenly trending post. Low thought confirmation bias of stats and poor decision making is what got us into this mess. Don't continue it.
Unless you have some evidence that the vaccines are singling out a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group, never.
Question for y'all: I have occasionally heard a few people comment that "officials" or govt people mostly don't have their own families/children vaccinated. I have seen any hard information on this. Have any of you? I just assume it is gossip/rumor without better information.
If you passed on getting the COVID vaccine, you might be a lot more likely to get into a car crash.
Or at least those are the findings of a new study published this month in The American Journal of Medicine. During the summer of 2021, Canadian researchers examined the encrypted government-held records of more than 11 million adults, 16% of whom hadn’t received the COVID vaccine.
They found that the unvaccinated people were 72% more likely to be involved in a severe traffic crash—in which at least one person was transported to the hospital—than those who were vaccinated. That’s similar to the increased risk of car crashes for people with sleep apnea, though only about half that of people who abuse alcohol, researchers found.
The excess risk of car crash posed by unvaccinated drivers “exceeds the safety gains from modern automobile engineering advances and also imposes risks on other road users,” the authors wrote.
First responders may also consider taking precautions to protect themselves from COVID when responding to traffic crashes, the authors added, as it’s more likely that a driver is unvaccinated than vaccinated.https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/
“The findings suggest that unvaccinated adults need to be careful indoors with other people and outside with surrounding traffic,” the authors concluded.
People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study
People who are driving are more likely to not be patients in a long-term care facility.
In case you're wondering, "Fortune Well" is part of Fortune magazine.
https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/
Or were they more effective against the earlier strains?Did you read the article or something? :police:
The authors of the new study say people should realize that the Covid-19 vaccines are no longer more than 90% protective against symptomatic infections, as they were when they were first introduced in 2020.
“Unfortunately, the 90% to 100% protection was what we saw during like pre-Delta time. And so with Delta, we saw it drop into the 70% range, and then for Omicron, we saw it drop even lower, to the 50% range.
Question for y'all: I have occasionally heard a few people comment that "officials" or govt people mostly don't have their own families/children vaccinated. I have seen any hard information on this. Have any of you? I just assume it is gossip/rumor without better information.
"Or are they just getting a saline injection?"</paranoia>
Experts today told MailOnline the capitulation has been caused by President Xi Jinping's government sticking with its zero Covid policy for so long after rolling out vaccines.
The hermit strategy left China's population with little to no natural immunity.
In contrast, countries in the West, including Britain, resorted to living with the virus, which now poses a milder threat thanks to immunity afforded by the vaccine and natural infections.
'Epidemiologist estimate >60% of [China] & 10% of Earth’s population likely infected over next 90 days. Deaths likely in the millions—plural.
'This is just the start.'
Despite the suspected increase, China — which has repeatedly been accused of fiddling its numbers — reported no new Covid deaths yesterday and subtracted one death from its overall toll, lowering it to 5,241.
Dr. Fauci seemed a little uncomfortable with people knowing about the pictures. He said that previously, when they were captured on camera, the “far right” attacked him as an “egomaniac.” If someone goes to the trouble of sending him a portrait of himself, he said, he would “feel like I’m disrespecting them” if he discarded it.
Talk about an "I love me wall". Also, is he like 4' tall?
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/12/30/ny-times-profile-on-dr-fauci-kicks-right-off-with-a-super-creepy-personal-detail/
Elon Musk:laugh:
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Maybe he just loves looking at science?
Interesting change of direction by fed.gov.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/12/31/cdc-director-rochelle-walensky-shows-how-the-covid-science-has-pivoted-on-2-fronts/
I guess it's no longer xenophobic to target by science/data/race/region. Can we do that again because Pelosi is out?
First Lady Jill Biden's New Year message to Americans: "Go get that COVID vaccine." pic.twitter.com/UO2AeF3yvZhttps://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/01/02/oh-honey-no-doctor-jill-bidens-ny-message-to-americans-just-pisses-everyone-off-watch/
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) January 1, 2023
And just as surely we'll be soon hearing from a raft of mouth breathers telling us that Hamlin's medical emergency was ALL VACCINE RELATED!!!
The former paramedic here wonders if it was commotio cordis: a heart rhythm abnormality caused by an impact to the chest. The classic example is of a kid who gets struck in the chest by a baseball or hockey puck. You can see it in adults after blunt trauma to the chest. I saw a case once where an unrestrained driver struck the steering wheel with her chest during a collision.
I have heard at least one Australian on a livestream comment about the police in his state being a bunch of thugs. I think all that changed a few opinions.Sure, and I know some Australian expats currently living here who visited Australia during the lockdowns and are livid at the direction their home country went. The reason I said that was this section of the article:
Were there really fewer non-Covid deaths than normal in Australia/NZ, during lockdowns?
I dug into this. Australia has a great mortality statistics site, which shows that almost every major cause of death fell by 5% or more during the pandemic.
Age-adjusted deaths from heart attacks fell 9%, and deaths from respiratory diseases broadly fell 18%, making a big impact. Suicides fell 6%, driving deaths fell 10%, assault deaths fell 10%, drug deaths fell 4%.
The only significant non-Covid category that rose: Alcohol deaths, up 8%.
It is possible that unintended consequences will cause future rises in deaths. Perhaps heart attacks fell due to people engaging in less strenuous activity during lockdown, but sedentary behavior could lead to worse health in the long run. There is some concern that effects like that are being seen in the UK now, but so far it is not very significant, and could be due to Covid itself having harmed health. We’ll need to wait for more data to be sure.
It makes one wonder just how far .gov is going to push covid restrictions this time. Now that the mid-terms are over and the result wasn't nearly as bad as the Democrats feared, what will they be emboldened to do?
And "people" means every living soul, even illegal aliens. (Oh, sorry, they're properly called "migrants" nowadays.)
Fly320s to the white courtesy phone ...There was a post I saw a few days ago talking about WEF elites looking for unvaccinated pilots to fly their private jets. There was no reason given for it but the assumption was something negative about the vaccine. The links were not at all mainstream so I didn't know what to think of it. Not sure if it was related to this.
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/cause-for-grave-concern-faa-tacitly-admits-that-pilot-ekgs-are-no-longer-normal/
Interestingly, the OG (pre-vaccine) covid somewhat gave me superpowers. While it screwed up my olfactory senses, since I have had it, I rarely feel sick. I used to, like clockwork, get sick with a cold or whatever once or twice a year, and it would always knock me on my ass for 3-5 days, guaranteed. Since the covid, I have not gotten sick. I've had the start of cold symptoms - sore throat, sniffles, etc., but I just take an Airborne/Emergen-C cocktail for the B & C vitamins, and the next morning am back to normal. More of a short irritation than an illness. Maybe this will be beneficial when the zombie apocalypse virus hits. :laugh:
I know these is fightin' words, but...
Everyone has probably already had it...
Because, gee, in MOST "cases," you have to take a test to know if you've got it. Your immune system just beats the hell out of it.
And then someone at work will say "but if you catch it, you're going to be hospitalized!"
But then, moments later, they start talking about asymptomatic transmission...
They oughta call it the Low Information Plague...
Fly320s to the white courtesy phone ...
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/cause-for-grave-concern-faa-tacitly-admits-that-pilot-ekgs-are-no-longer-normal/
I agree with you. Still, as far as I know I haven't had it. If I could get a free antibody test to see what my immune level is I'd probably take it.Or maybe people like me that had relatively mild symptoms. If I hadn't actually done an at-home test, I would have thought it was just a one day flu or food poisoning (ate at a new place before I felt bad). Bigger hit for me is it seemed to open the door for other stuff to bother me over the next week or two.
I think "asymptomatic transmission" is mainly from people who don't yet show symptoms but will in a few days, but it's hard to get any real data or even definitions.
Well, I shot my mouth off about hardly getting sick at all for the past several years, now today I have a headache and chills and a bit of a cough. I took a couple of Advil (generic) a couple of hours ago and that's helped quite a bit. My symptoms are totally different from what wife had last week, but it's probably the same thing anyway.
Be a little cautious if you decided to get vaxxed.
FDA Says Getting Pfizer & Flu Shot On Same Day Could Increase Stroke Risk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AevTbwSsYNQ
Pfizer’s statement goes on to describe the research it acknowledges conducting.
“Working with collaborators, we have conducted research where the original SARS-CoV-2 virus has been used to express the spike protein from new variants of concern,” the Pfizer statement read. “This work is undertaken once a new variant of concern has been identified by public health authorities. This research provides a way for us to rapidly assess the ability of an existing vaccine to induce antibodies that neutralize a newly identified variant of concern. We then make this data available through peer reviewed scientific journals and use it as one of the steps to determine whether a vaccine update is required.”
Pfizer said the research usually involves only computer simulations, but added that, “in a limited number of cases when a full virus does not contain any known gain of function mutations, such virus may be engineered to enable the assessment of antiviral activity in cells.”
Critics accused Pfizer of dissembling and said that what the company acknowledged in its statement is effectively gain-of-function research.
My understanding is it's cancelled in May.
Didja check the Supreme Court calendar? >:DAre you talking about the SC releasing decisions or is there something else you just want to hint about?
Are you talking about the SC releasing decisions or is there something else you just want to hint about?I think he was referencing Biden’s “you can have my covid emergency when the Supreme Court takes it from my cold, dead, who are you again?” comment.
I think he was referencing Biden’s “you can have my covid emergency when the Supreme Court takes it from my cold, dead, who are you again?” comment.
President Biden on Jan. 31 said his administration extended the covid emergency to May to “make sure we get everything done.”Get what done? I am sure it is all for our benefit and above board. =(
QuoteThe first three months of fiscal 2023 saw a drop in routine pediatric vaccination levels from 64.5% a year ago to 59.2%, a five-point drop. The rates were “negatively impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic among other factors,” as the report blandly puts it.But what we’re seeing now, particularly in New York City, seems to be something different. As the linked editorial points out, despite continued protestations by health officials, the government got a great number of things wrong at the outset of the pandemic. And even after further research proved them wrong, they lied about many things repeatedly. This issue goes far beyond just vaccines to include policies regarding masking, social distancing, and the safety or efficacy of lockdowns.
In short, as the Post puts it, public health officials have “completely wrecked” their credibility on medical issues in general and vaccines in particular. At this point, if the government is attempting to force people to have any sort of medical procedure, particularly when it comes to children, there is obviously going to be some increased pushback being observed.
But what we’re seeing now, particularly in New York City, seems to be something different. As the linked editorial points out, despite continued protestations by health officials, the government got a great number of things wrong at the outset of the pandemic. And even after further research proved them wrong, they lied about many things repeatedly. This issue goes far beyond just vaccines to include policies regarding masking, social distancing, and the safety or efficacy of lockdowns.
In short, as the Post puts it, public health officials have “completely wrecked” their credibility on medical issues in general and vaccines in particular. At this point, if the government is attempting to force people to have any sort of medical procedure, particularly when it comes to children, there is obviously going to be some increased pushback being observed.
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/02/06/nyc-child-vaccination-rates-for-all-vaccines-have-plummeted-n528677
Thanks. I had not see that story.
Get what done? I am sure it is all for our benefit and above board. =(
Just checked the St. Louis City covid page...
19 deaths attributed to the bug in the past three months.
I'm MUCH more worried about lead poisoning.
The last 2 or 3 years have been a big lesson in how much trust the Govt deserves.
Another example of the news saying something that would get you banned off social media not too long ago. How many studies showed the opposite?
Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?
Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?
:rofl:
No.
Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?
I see Mr. Hapley expresses his cynicism of the scientific method while using the magic electric box to share his opinions with the world.
Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?What does that have to do with the religious fervor which fealty to The Science was enforced?
Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?We already know the govt made claims that the vaccine would prevent the vaccinated from passing on COVID when they hadn't even begun research to show if that was true. They claimed the vaccinated wouldn't even get the disease. IMO, we also know that many of the treatments doctors were throwing at patients likely did more harm than good and likely contributed to the death rate. It would be a change of pace if they would simple be up front about that. I don't mind the govt simply saying "we don't know" or "the vaccine is new and we are still testing it". I expect that. I don't want to be lied to.
I see Mr. Hapley expresses his cynicism of the scientific method while using the magic electric box to share his opinions with the world.This is a pretty smarmy and unaware canned response.
Except we're not talking about hindsight. They were slinging bullshit and anyone who tried to call them out for it was pilloried.
And how exactly do you know it was bullshit at the time? Based on the science, the media you consume, or your personal opinion?
And how exactly do you know it was bullshit at the time? Based on the science, the media you consume, or your personal opinion?How exactly did they know the facts they were throwing around at the time? That is the question that needs to be answered. I can deal with doctors at the time saying they screwed up as long as they had a reason to do what they did. I don't think that is the case here.
I think part of the issue here is conflating the political interpretation and action upon scientific findings.Yes, which is the precise problem I took Mech (and others) to be pointing to.
Do I think that 'Science' was a monolithic entity that was acting in a malign manner? I am going to need to see some better evidence on that.I agree completely. In fact, I don't see anyone here arguing against you on this. The people claiming that The Science is a monolithic entity were the ones who subverted science to achieve their political goals, or to force acceptance for their unsupported hypotheses.
Another example of the news saying something that would get you banned off social media not too long ago. How many studies showed the opposite?Your response seemed to ignore that this clearly makes a distinction between the self-styled defenders of Scientism in social media and the scientists who were interpreting results in varied ways.
The left/center/right media and the Government do an excellent job of conflating the politics and the science and that is going to have some impacts down the line.Agreed.
I have been saying for a while now that perhaps the only good thing to come from Covid is learning things for the next public health crisis. I wonder what those learnings will be.I worry that what was actually learned is that a public health crisis is extremely valuable both monetarily and politically.
How exactly did they know the facts they were throwing around at the time? That is the question that needs to be answered. I can deal with doctors at the time saying they screwed up as long as they had a reason to do what they did. I don't think that is the case here.This exactly.
So far, what we are finding out (as zxcvbob's post points out) is they had no basis for what they were saying. Not only did they make claims for which they had no research to back up, but Pfizer and others fought in court to avoid making public the research and testing for the vaccine even though Congress already gave them liability protection. And then the Govt worked with social media companies to shut down anyone questioning the official narrative.
And how exactly do you know it was bullshit at the time? Based on the science, the media you consume, or your personal opinion?
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/features/102965
It will be interesting to see this case make it through the court system. No state other than California has gone the 'medical misinformation' route in terms of unprofessional conduct.
This is the other part that concerned me. I heard plenty of anecdotal stories of doctors prescribing ivermectin among other things, but I didn't like seeing the FedGov using their funding authority to bully doctors and hospitals into towing the line. It is almost as if we have a govt run health care system or something.
Any suggestion of a treatment outside of the "THE SCIENCE" approved treatments or any questioning of "THE SCIENCE" was met with ridicule, derision, personal attacks (deja vu), firings and even threats of imprisonment.
In related news of new studies, Ivermectin still doesn't do anything for COVID:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827
And they are still testing whether ivermectin "cures" COVID rather than being a preventative. That has been commented on as well. I believe that other drug that Trump was taking in 2020 was believed to be a preventative also.
On the bright side, I have discovered that most scientific studies have a pretty solid EXSUM that will tell you what you need to know and give you a good look at the scientific method and how it was applied. The Ivermectin study I linked is 4100 words, and I ran through it in about 10 minutes. (I skimmed some sections) If you don't want to deep dive the data there's no reason to take a journalist or tweeters word for the veracity of any study. More folks reading primary sources may be a good thing over all.
I have been reading the scientific and medical literature since age 16, and the legal literature/statutes/regulations/appellate opinions since my early 20's. If I have learned one thing, when the left/right/center media or social media talk about scientific, medical or legal matters, reading the actual primary source material informs you as to what the media leaves out, gets wrong, or puts their own bias on.
I have been reading the scientific and medical literature since age 16, and the legal literature/statutes/regulations/appellate opinions since my early 20's. If I have learned one thing, when the left/right/center media or social media talk about scientific, medical or legal matters, reading the actual primary source material informs you as to what the media leaves out, gets wrong, or puts their own bias on.
This!
Unfortunately the general population does not have the time, inclination, reading comprehension nor technical background to read primary sources with respect to scientific, medical or legal matters.
And they are still testing whether ivermectin "cures" COVID rather than being a preventative. That has been commented on as well. I believe that other drug that Trump was taking in 2020 was believed to be a preventative also.
Most of the people I heard about who took ivermectin for COVID were prescribed a number of things just included ivermectin. Makes me curious if there is anything to that.
Also, the parts of Africa and India where ivermectin is consumed like candy Covid seems to have been far less impactful than other places. Proof it’s efficacious? No, but while the plural of anecdote is not data, eventually if gather enough anecdotes, and apply sound analysis to them, you can develop data.1. There are a lot of differences between Africa/India and the US that are more likely to matter than use of ivermectin. India and Africa have far fewer elderly, far lower rates of obesity, are more likely to be physically active, and are more likely to have regular exposure to the sun which is likely to improve natural vitamin D production.
And as for Ivermectin? The initial reports involved prophylactic use - it appears that with small initial concentrations of viral particles that it makes it harder for them to replicate.
Do you still have those reports/studies? The only confirmed positive think in Ivermectin I remember was a promising in vitro study that had stupidly sky high dosages to stop replication. I don't remember any repeatable positive outcomes in actual patients.There are a variety of studies (positive and negative) that can be sorted through at the site below. Many of the studies are underpowered, but combined the results might be interesting.
New York Times:
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https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/02/22/christina-pushaw-wonders-when-gov-desantis-gets-his-apology-after-these-media-pivots-on-thescience/
This just in: Cochrane analysis of masks and handwashing on respiratory viruses:I guess this is not so much "this just in" after all. A version of this review was complete at the beginning of the pandemic.
https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-measures-such-hand-washing-or-wearing-masks-stop-or-slow-down-spread-respiratory-viruses
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
^^^Partially addressing and agreeing with some of the very points made by Cordex:That's a pretty biased article. It's from Vox so no surprise, but still.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/2/22/23609499/masks-covid-coronavirus-cochrane-review-pandemic-science-studies-infection
If they had come out and said “masks help reduce transmission by those that are sick. Please stay home if sick but if you must go out wear a mask” compliance would have been very high and few if any people would have opposed.
The fiction was that masking healthy people, and especially children, would be beneficial. It’s obvious to anyone intellectually honest that masking healthy people was nearly useless and whatever very marginal benefit was derived, if any, would be more than entirely eliminated by the costs to psychological health, and other factors.
Vilifying (or in Canada, shooting) people who chose not to wear masks was another aspect of the problem. It's one thing to say, "this helps;" it's another thing to say; "not doing this hurts people, and you're a monster."
… why when they say, "Oops, our bad. Just forgive us." I happily tell them to go to hell.I don’t see very many people even saying “our bad”. Most come up with excuses as to why it was the best idea at the time, or how it didn’t do any harm, etc.
I don’t see very many people even saying “our bad”. Most come up with excuses as to why it was the best idea at the time, or how it didn’t do any harm, etc.
Now tell us who paid for the study.
The US Government now appears to be going with "lab leak".
It sounds like the USA needs to get compensation from China.
Dr. Anthony Fauci commissioned a February 2020 paper to disprove the possibility that COVID originated in a lab — only to pretend he nothing to do with the study at a White House news conference weeks later.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11824905/Emails-Dr-Fauci-commissioned-February-2020-paper-disprove-COVID-leaked-Wuhan-lab.html
Newly-released emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic show the former head of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases both commissioned and had final approval on a scientific paper which claimed it was 'improbable' that the virus leaked out of a lab in Wuhan, China.
Just a few weeks later, he stood next to then-President Donald Trump at a press conference and cited that very paper as evidence that the idea of a lab leak was implausible - and said he did not know the authors, despite sitting down with them days before.
Fauci and the dems who kept this hidden need to be in prison if true
NEW – CNN ex-boss Jeff Zucker reportedly "ordered" staff not to probe COVID lab leak theory because it was a Trump talking point.https://t.co/J7dVVHGVgHhttps://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/03/06/gets-worse-cnn-ex-boss-jeff-zucker-ordered-staff-not-to-probe-covid-lab-leak-theory-because-of-trump/
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) March 6, 2023
I'd be OK with execution after a proper trial in this case. Amounts to treason in my book.
"Wow, they didn't even vote 100% in 1941 to declare war on Japan. 388-1"
Jeanette Rankin.
She was the only person to vote against US entry into World War I and the war against Japan. When she cast her vote she was booed and hissed on the House floor.
When the declaration of war was voted against Germany members of both parties convinced her to abstain so that the vote would be unanimous.
She also voted against declaring war in the 1st WW. she wasn't quite so alone in that though. 373-50
Yeah... that's what I said. Read my post again, Mr. Observant. :rofl:
Has anyone even caught Covid lately?
I wouldn't even know how you would come up with a current number. I guess it depends on where you live, but even the commie media here isn't running stories about getting tested or anything anymore.
There's a good chance a bunch of people are getting milder covid with cold-like symptoms and calling it a cold. Or they might just have a cold. Without the overzealous testing, who knows?
At any one time at our local 500+ bed hospital, we have 15-20 Covid inpatients.
Has anyone even caught Covid lately?
I caught it a little over a month ago. If I hadn't lost my sense of smell (just as all the other symptoms were about over), I would not have taken the expired government Covid test and thought I just had an unusually mild cold. I never did report it to the county; as long as I voluntarily do the quarantine thing it's none of their business.
“The other possibility is someone takes a virus from the environment that doesn’t actually spread very well in humans, and manipulates it a bit, and accidentally it escapes or accidentally infects someone and then you get an outbreak.”
I caught it a little over a month ago. If I hadn't lost my sense of smell (just as all the other symptoms were about over), I would not have taken the expired government Covid test and thought I just had an unusually mild cold. I never did report it to the county; as long as I voluntarily do the quarantine thing it's none of their business.I had it last November. Similar situation. I had a fever for a day. Felt miserable and cold for a short time. No fever the next day.
Now Fauci is saying, "Yeah, it could have been a lab leak."
Now Fauci is saying, "Yeah, it could have been a lab leak."
https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-could-stem-from-risky-experiments-at-chinese-lab-fauci_5118654.html
You know, I'd really like to know just who started cooking the books on the numbers...
The whole "died with" thing is what allowed them to crush the economy.
But it won't be just one person - it'll be like all the well-meaning folks who did their little bit to get Biden elected. No vast conspiracy - just a bunch of separate folks who thought they were doing what was right.
Wow, the science must have totally changed all of a sudden. I'm glad we finally have data to indicate that the impacts of COVID are strongly age-stratified and that children are at almost no risk from COVID - lower even than flu. It would have been amazing to have that information three years ago. Oh wait.
Probably more it's political usefulness came to an end.
You know, I'd really like to know just who started cooking the books on the numbers...
The whole "died with" thing is what allowed them to crush the economy.
But it won't be just one person - it'll be like all the well-meaning folks who did their little bit to get Biden elected. No vast conspiracy - just a bunch of separate folks who thought they were doing what was right.
Wow, the science must have totally changed all of a sudden. I'm glad we finally have data to indicate that the impacts of COVID are strongly age-stratified and that children are at almost no risk from COVID - lower even than flu. It would have been amazing to have that information three years ago. Oh wait.It seems to me it was only a few months ago last year that Fauci was still arguing that all kids had to be vaccinated.
March 13, 2020 is when Iowa pretty much shut down. Trump was president and Reynolds was the governor of Iowa. You gotta throw some shade at the true believers in the GOP too.
You can blame your Governor, but I don't know what Trump would have to do with Iowa shutting down. If Trump told Iowa it should shut down, your Governor could have told him to *expletive deleted*ck off, like the governors of the free states told Biden to do.
Trump shut the country down, spring of 2020.
Which country? I had zero changes in my routine, other than wearing a mask at Costco.
and I’m mad at my D governor for perpetuating the restrictions on our economy since then, etc.
In that case, you are going to be pissed when every major healthcare system in Washington state continues a mandatory masking policy after April 4th, when the state mandate ends.
In that case, you are going to be pissed when every major healthcare system in Washington state continues a mandatory masking policy after April 4th, when the state mandate ends.
Which country? I had zero changes in my routine, other than wearing a mask at Costco.
Perhaps your routine didn't include dealing with anyone who worked in an office prior to the pandemic.
I never stopped taking Seren to her day care because it was one of the few that actually stayed open, etc.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/report-florida-officials-cut-key-data-from-vaccine-study/
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — An analysis that was the basis of a highly criticized recommendation from Florida’s surgeon general cautioning young men against getting the COVID-19 vaccine omitted information that showed catching the virus could increase the risk of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the mRNA shot, according to drafts of the analysis obtained by the Tampa Bay Times.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/report-florida-officials-cut-key-data-from-vaccine-study/
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — An analysis that was the basis of a highly criticized recommendation from Florida’s surgeon general cautioning young men against getting the COVID-19 vaccine omitted information that showed catching the virus could increase the risk of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the mRNA shot, according to drafts of the analysis obtained by the Tampa Bay Times.
The early drafts of the analysis obtained by the Times through a records request showed that catching COVID-19 could increase the chances of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the vaccine, but that information was missing from the final version put out by the Florida Department of Health last October.
XBB.1.16, dubbed “Arcturus” by variant trackers, is very similar to U.S. dominant “Kraken” XBB.1.5—the most transmissible COVID variant yet, Maria Van Kerkhove, COVID-19 technical lead for the WHO, said earlier this week at a news conference.
It was just announced here in Idaho that for the two largest health providers, masks will no longer be required in medical facilities. I expect the rest will follow suit. Medical facilities were the last holdouts here on masking.
Now let's see if California, Oregon and Washington follow Idaho's lead.:rofl:
Just got an e-mail that my employer is dropping the corporate mandate that anyone entering one of our worksites be vaccinated, and be able to show proof of vaccination.
Thankfully my employer never required the jab. Nor did my new employer.
:rofl:
Now let's see if California, Oregon and Washington follow Idaho's lead.
How do you tell a healthcare worker in Washington state: They have several masks scattered around in their car so they can grab one and put it on before walking into work.
I would postulate that the death rate has decreased largely due to the "low hanging fruit" having already been picked. The tendency to intubate as initial therapy in some areas could have bumped those numbers. Couple that with less patient care due to healthcare workers not showing up due to media promulgated fear, caused a hump in the graph - but I suspect we're seeing a trough after the fact... I need to look harder...
I would also postulate that vaccinated/unvaccinated was only one of the potential differences... The vaccinated population quite likely was healthier/more affluent to begin with, more likely to pay attention to physicians/caregivers...
...a decent case of bronchitis that doesn't seem to want to leave...
FWIW, had a nasty cold a couple of weeks ago, and still gackhing up chunkies... Not pneumonia, but a decent case of bronchitis that doesn't seem to want to leave...A coworker used to take an inhaler for that.
We need a LIKE button.
Was talking to my neighbor who works at MSD (Metropolitan Sewer District) and he said they still have to take a COVID test every week. I was like What the....?
Though I have had to wonder this past couple years if there might have been something in the "preventative measure" doses (we need a vaccine icon) that altered the mentality of everyone under the age of 40 who received it. Based on the complete lack of work ethic, the overzealous sense of entitlement and the whiny-crybaby-sniveling-wounded attitude of an entire generation that's evolved in the past couple years, and don't even get me started on the whole pronoun thing. (With the exception of Rambo, Jocassee and others here of your generation I know to be solid citizens and human beings.)
Seriously, WTF is going on with people these days? Every business I know of (seriously, every single one of my advertisers and every business owner I know) is short-staffed and can't find employees who actually show up and want to work. And yet, the housing market has skyrocketed. How can houses be selling above asking price the day they're listed when most businesses are seriously understaffed, which means people aren't working.
Yeah, I know, thread veer. I might be a little pissed off at the moment.
I've a sneaking suspicion this started long before covid as well. :rofl:
Covid only revealed how weak and empty-headed Americans have become, since we abandoned the proper regard for God in our lives. This has been building for a long time.Nailed it.
However, that “obligatory educational burden” is a CHOICE that younger generations willingly accepted
Blue collar is typically skilled labor – mechanics, builders, welders, sheet metal workers, etc. All of which pay very livable wages, even at the apprenticeship level.
As adults, we all have to adapt to societal norms of the time
This started long before covid. I recall hearing other parents saying their kids just don't want to get a job and move out for the last fifteen years.
I've a sneaking suspicion this started long before covid as well. :rofl:
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Now. You wanna talk about women in the workplace?
Oh, I might add that we had 2 kids when we bought this property and had 2 more within 3 years afterwards. If we hadn’t had the extra 2 kids we’d be a year away from empty nesting now. As it is the youngest won’t be out of high school for 8 more years. Be nice to have them off the payroll but at least the first 2 are getting close to that point.
What does your mechanic make?
The guy I'm using to do my power steering pressure line on the Tiburon is charging me $60/hour. Because he is freelance. If it was a shop, I'd be dropping $100+.
Send your kids tocartrade school.
What does your mechanic make?
The guy I'm using to do my power steering pressure line on the Tiburon is charging me $60/hour. Because he is freelance. If it was a shop, I'd be dropping $100+.
Send your kids to car school.
I imagine that money depends on working at a dealer that has lots of work.
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The vast majority of jobs require college education now. That wasn't the case a generation or two ago. How is this caused by younger generations "willingly accepting" anything, when 65-75% of open jobs now require a bachelor's degree?
Citation needed. All available figures show that real wages have fallen even as costs have skyrocketed. Are you disputing that or just prefer to ignore it? Have you ever like, walked outside your door and seen the vast areas of industry, that previously employed hundreds of thousands of people, now gone and decaying into rust and weeds? Or at best, replaced by modern factories that employ 1/10 the number of people? This is a massive structural change.
if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.
Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPINSA
https://www.epi.org/blog/the-value-of-the-federal-minimum-wage-is-at-its-lowest-point-in-66-years/
It's structural.
Your arguments remind me of people who said "outsourcing is ok because all American businesses have to do is be more competitive"...even as China and other foreign powers were and are manipulating their currency. As if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.
Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...
Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPINSA
https://www.epi.org/blog/the-value-of-the-federal-minimum-wage-is-at-its-lowest-point-in-66-years/
It's structural.
Your arguments remind me of people who said "outsourcing is ok because all American businesses have to do is be more competitive"...even as China and other foreign powers were and are manipulating their currency. As if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.
Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...
Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.
Minimum wage is a bullshit metric anyway. Very few people stay at minimum wage for very long, and it only applies to unskilled labor.
Minimum wage is a bullshit metric anyway. Very few people stay at minimum wage for very long, and it only applies to unskilled labor.
All but very few use such jobs to gain work experience or use the income to pay for living expenses while being trained for skilled (ie much better paying) jobs.
Besides, minimum wage laws only really serve to price out young and especially minority unskilled people keeping them off the first rung of the ladder. Minimum wage should be $0 (partly because that’s really what it is anyway) because it shouldn’t be illegal for someone to agree to work for less when their labor really is worth less.
Two salaried professionals can generally afford a house within commuting distance of pretty much anywhere in the US
Not every high paying job requires a degree
Quote from: dogmushNot every high paying job requires a degree
I never said they did. I said "more jobs than ever before, including modestly paying jobs which previously didn't" require degrees. And costs of education have also increased massively. Which is indisputable.
Because you can fond a counterexample is not an argument that a trend doesn't exist.
Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...
Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.
An overactive immune response to the mRNA Covid vaccines may be the culprit in rare cases of heart inflammation seen in some young men after they receive the shot, a small study published Friday in the journal Science Immunology suggests.
The study was based on 23 patients ages 13 to 21 who developed myocarditis after their second dose of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine. An analysis of blood samples from nine of these patients — all of whom had gotten Pfizer — found elevated cytokine levels.
New study seems to indicate a reason for heart problems in younger men that got the shot(s).
https://news.yahoo.com/small-study-finds-possible-clues-200221754.html
Global Supply Chains Now Have Spare Capacity for the First Time Since June 2020 as 10 Months of Subdued Demand, Inventory De-Stocking and High Interest Rates Bite: GEP Global Supply Chain Volatility Index
Sadly, no Venn diagrams for dull-witted vice-presidents. =(
Now we have a customer that comes in wearing a mask, removes it upon entry, then dons it before he leaves.
He'll make his own up
I was thinking of the other dull-witted veep.
It's OK. It's not as if he's really the president. He doesn't seem to believe it himself.
^^^So what are they buying?
I see that the nationwide trend is for restaurants to, finally, go back to regular menus instead of "scan the barcode and use your phone" menus.
Those barcode menus were a pain in my ass to navigate on the little phone screen, especially if it was a larger menu with lots of items.
I see that the nationwide trend is for restaurants to, finally, go back to regular menus instead of "scan the barcode and use your phone" menus.I've never seen that here in Reno, bur I do not eat at restaurants much anymore .
Those barcode menus were a pain in my ass to navigate on the little phone screen, especially if it was a larger menu with lots of items.
I see that the nationwide trend is for restaurants to, finally, go back to regular menus instead of "scan the barcode and use your phone" menus.
Those barcode menus were a pain in my ass to navigate on the little phone screen, especially if it was a larger menu with lots of items.
I wonder if it's regional?
Hostess: May I have your cell number
Me: No
Hostess: We need to text you when your table's ready
Me: I left my phone at home - I'll need a paper menu also.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/05/25/false-claim-ventilators-blamed-for-most-covid-19-deaths-fact-check/70234380007/
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/170682/pdf
Ventilators were not killing Covid patients after all.
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That's what they want you to believe
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Hey man, it's a free country.
If folks really think that vents do more harm than good, I encourage them to annotate in their living will that they don't trust vents, or a Dr's ability to decide they are needed, and no matter what, they are not to be ventilated. Make sure your family understands your wishes.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/05/25/false-claim-ventilators-blamed-for-most-covid-19-deaths-fact-check/70234380007/
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/170682/pdf
Ventilators were not killing Covid patients after all.
"I see sir, you're lost again. You are looking for the Denny's down the street. Make sure to ask for the Senior menu"What? Huh!?!
Hey man, it's a free country.
If folks really think that vents do more harm than good, I encourage them to annotate in their living will that they don't trust vents, or a Dr's ability to decide they are needed, and no matter what, they are not to be ventilated. Make sure your family understands your wishes.
Don't you think maybe questioning the ventilator protocols used at the time that seems correlated to so many deaths is a good thing? Perhaps the ventilators were needed but they used them incorrectly out of ignorance. Or once ventilator therapy was started, steroids or Remdesivir should not be given. Or they need different prophylactic antibiotics. I'm glad someone is studying it and hope it doesn't just degenerate into a "we conducted a thorough examination of ourselves and determined that we did nothing wrong"
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Sadly, not a surprise based on prior research… When will we learn? School closing does nothing for the kids in the closed schools.
Vents do come with a risk, however... And early on, in at least some places, they were using them on every presented patient. Why?*
"You can filter out the virus from the exhalations. It's safer for our brave front line workers."
What do you think they'll use to try to shut down the economy the next time?
More than 300 COVID-19-related articles have been retracted — long after they’d done their damage — due to a lack of scientific truthfulness and ethical guidelines, according to Retraction Watch, a website that monitors retractions of science-related articles.
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/05/30/the-medical-field-is-erasing-its-own-covid-era-history-n554277
Follow the science always included reading at least the abstract of whatever you were espousing, not just some blog about it.
Three significant examples
Those big three examples of suspected fraudulent or unverifiable data comprise the bulk of the citations for the 212 retracted papers. They are:
• A paper published in The Lancet in May 2020 claiming the drug hydroxychloroquine increased the chances of death from COVID-19 at a time when the drug was largely untested. The paper was retracted after two weeks.
• A paper published in the New England Journal of Medicine in May 2020 claiming a link between heart disease and an increased risk of death from COVID-19, but with no elevated risk from certain heart drugs previously thought to be harmful. This paper was retracted after five weeks.
• A preprint paper published in April 2020 claiming a link between COVID-19 deaths and low Vitamin D, in SSRN Electronic Journal, which despite using bogus data and mysterious authors was cited by the British Medical Journal and the British Heart Foundation, and reported as a media story by The Sun (UK) and The Daily Mail. This paper was removed after two months.
“With COVID,” says McDonald, “we saw this push to get information out quickly, and with many more people doing and rapidly publishing COVID research, there’s been a spike in retractions. The number of retracted COVID publications is now more than 250. It’s true there was definitely a need to get information out there, but in doing so publishing processes were often compromised.”
Medical journals became vulnerable to haste.
Some 90,000 to 300,000 COVID-19 papers have been lodged since the start of the pandemic, dwarfing that of other pandemics “by orders of magnitude”.
An investigation by Monash University reported that even after papers were retracted, they continued to be cited.
“Among the more than 270,000 COVID-19 papers that have been lodged online since the start of the pandemic, 212 retracted papers investigated were cited 2,697 times, a median of seven times per paper,” the university said in Oct. 2022.
The lion’s share of these articles was released in smaller publications, but the prestigious Lancet got nailed a few times as well.
FACT-O-RAMA! The Lancet used fraudulent research when stating that hydroxychloroquine caused an increased risk of heart arrhythmia and even death in patients with COVID-19. This publication was eventually retracted but not until the Norwegian government and the World Health Organization (WHO) used this article as a reason to stop their research into the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine on COVID. Both have since resumed testing.
A paper published by the University of Manchester “found” that COVID was associated with vertigo, hearing loss, and tinnitus. Two years later they did a 180 and admitted that they assumed this to be the case.
“We know that viruses such as measles, mumps, and meningitis can damage the auditory system,” lead author Dr Anisa Visram stated. “It is also well known that COVID-19 can affect our sense of smell and taste, so it was reasonable to assume it might also affect our sense of hearing.”
Another reason many COVID papers — like the University of Manchester paper — have been plucked is that the researchers were eager to investigate all things COVID and moved too quickly.
“Many previous studies were published rapidly during the pandemic but lacked good scientific rigor.” University of Manchester professor Kevin Munro stated. “There was an urgent need for this carefully conducted clinical and diagnostic study to investigate the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the auditory system.”
I know I saw that some outfits were pushing ventilators "for safety" for the caregivers.
Can't find that stuff now. Then again, wouldn't put it past folks to be scrubbing.
When I first saw the stuff, and saw how the data was being manipulated, I got skeptical.
I'm still skeptical. A long time ago, in a different career, I was the guy who the head of research pointed to, and said "When Chuck says he understands it, then you can show it to the accountants." I'm the guy who could call directors, and say "hold the presses - I'm seeing something that doesn't add up." And I wouldn't be wrong. I see patterns. I geek on patterns.
And I hate being lied to.
The fact that you used to have some non scientific role in a pharma company is not authority to make proclamations about medical treatments.:rofl:
No adult was forced to take any jab. Period. Everyone, except the children, had a choice. I’m tired of these adults saying they “had to do it.” No, they didn’t. 💉💉💉https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/06/27/lauren-houston-n2384864
— Lauren Houston (@LegalizeitLala) June 26, 2023
From CNN:CNN pisses EVERYONE off pushing for more of that SWEET fear-mongering COVID traffic
It’s time to stock up on tissues, bingeable TV options and Covid-19 tests. Yes, many signs are pointing to a Covid-19 summer surge – although one that’s far less intense than what emerged the past few summers.
Experts say they do not expect that cases will be severe or that the uptick will be prolonged, and there are early signs from wastewater data that this wavelet may already be leveling out.
But data posted this week by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that many Covid-19 indicators, including hospital admissions, emergency department visits and test positivity, are once again on the rise.
“Reedley officials and personnel from CDPH and FCDPH executed a warrant on March 16 to inspect the warehouse at 850 I Street,” MidValley Times reported. “According to a declaration from Humero Prado, Assistant Director of Fresno County Public Health, which was filed in superior court, investigators discovered that one room of the warehouse was used to produce COVID-19 and pregnancy tests. In other rooms, investigators found blood, tissue and other bodily fluid samples. They also found thousands of vials that contained unlabeled fluids.”
And they found 900 genetically engineered mice, engineered to catch and carry COVID-19, living in “inhumane” conditions. 773 of the mice had to be euthanized, and officials found another 178 mice already dead.
Here in urban STL, I'm still seeing masked solo drivers... Masked "low information" folks, mostly minorities. Young guys wearing masks, probably with warrants or intent... A few hipsters still virtue signaling.
Still, in some parts of the country, mask mandates have already arrived. A slight uptick in the virus led two hospitals in Syracuse, New York, University and Community General, to reimpose mandatory face-masking and COVID testing on Aug. 17, according to local news outlets.
“Effective immediately, mandatory masking is required by all staff, visitors, and patients in clinical areas,” instructed a memo sent to staff and obtained by Syracuse.com. “Clinical areas are defined as any location patients gather, wait, transport thorough, or receive care.”
In Los Angeles, major Hollywood studio Lionsgate demanded employees cover their faces at its Santa Monica office buildings. The policy was announced in an internal memo obtained by Deadline, demanding that “Employees must wear a medical grade face covering (surgical mask, KN95 or N95) when indoors except when alone in an office with the door closed, actively eating, actively drinking at their desk or workstation, or if they are the only individual present in a large open workspace.”
In Atlanta, Georgia Morris Brown College announced a mask mandate for everyone entering its campus. In an Aug. 20 Instagram post the college stated that “all students and employees are required to wear face masks (staff may remove face masks when in their offices alone.)”
The election variant is just around the corner.
They're already trying to ramp up the panic. We're all gonna die! again.
The election variant is just around the corner.
For your reading pleasure:
https://www.iflscience.com/lockdowns-masks-and-social-distancing-unequivocally-help-stop-the-spread-of-covid-70408?fbclid=IwAR0xLOn35goPyCXC_KqIZ52W3r9Nq6FBTK4vDbn3eL2a_kNNsk-aKtxXlGI
https://www.politico.eu/article/masks-lockdowns-social-distancing-evidence-reduce-coronavirus-spread/
https://www.bmj.com/content/382/bmj.p1959
https://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/impact-non-pharmaceutical-interventions-on-covid-19-transmission/the-royal-society-covid-19-examining-the-effectiveness-of-non-pharmaceutical-interventions-report.pdf
Make sure to also arrest paddleboarders who have less than a 10 mile perimeter between them and everyone else. Also, make sure to create exceptions for people eating in crowded restaurants. That has to still be allowed so that haircuts can attend birthday parties.
Yeah. But was the juice worth the squeeze.
WLJ has a key point that applies in a lot of situations: do the costs exceed the benefits? I still participate in the local health department conference calls on COVID, and the state health department apparently thinks that if they impose another mask mandate in Washington, compliance will be low.Just tell people that it'll only be for 2 weeks to slow the spread.
For your reading pleasure:
https://www.iflscience.com/lockdowns-masks-and-social-distancing-unequivocally-help-stop-the-spread-of-covid-70408?fbclid=IwAR0xLOn35goPyCXC_KqIZ52W3r9Nq6FBTK4vDbn3eL2a_kNNsk-aKtxXlGI
Masks and face coverings:
The weight of evidence from all studies suggests that wearing masks, particularly higher quality masks (respirators), supported by mask mandates, generally reduced the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Studies consistently, though not universally, reported that mask wearing and mask mandates were an effective approach to reduce infection
Social distancing and ‘lockdowns’:
Most effective of all the NPIs were the social distancing measures. Stay-at-home orders, physical distancing, and restrictions on gathering size were repeatedly found to be associated with significant reduction in SARS-CoV-2 transmission, with more stringent measures having greater effects.
However, the results reported in the three national and regional case studies cannot simply be replicated in other countries and regions. The national and regional contexts for NPIs varied significantly around the world, according to geographical, political, demographic, socio-economic and regulatory factors. The nature of the national implementation of NPIs and their resulting effectiveness can only be understood in the context of a series of other extremely important interacting factors
Cross-country comparisons of the effectiveness of NPIs are affected by multiple factors, most notably differences in demographic factors, healthcare systems, levels of economic prosperity, degrees of trust between citizens and public authorities, and testing and reporting of cases of COVID-19. Different countries or regions were differentially affected by COVID-19with particular impacts on those with olderpopulations12; higher levels of obesity; greater incidence of chronic non-communicable diseases such as diabetes and cardiovascular disease; larger concentrations of lower income and larger households; and higher population densities. Countries also differed in their categorization of COVID-19 deaths. For instance, Belgium included all deaths where COVID-19 was suspected to contribute, resulting in higher reported death rates early in the pandemic15,while others included only deaths inhospitals16. There were also stark differences in the availability of testing and thereby the numbers of reported cases
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There is clear evidence from studies conducted during the pandemic that the stringent implementation of packages of NPIs was effective in some countries in reducing the transmission of COVID-19. There is also evidence for the effectiveness of individual NPIs, although, especially as the pandemic progressed and the virus became more transmissible, NPIs became less effective in controlling the transmission of SARS-CoV-2
Future assessments should also consider the costs as well as the benefits of NPIs, in terms of their impacts on livelihoods, economies, education, social cohesion, physical and mental wellbeing, and potentially other aspects. Drug regulators are able to make recommendations on the use of drugs based upon evidence of their effects and side effects. Similarly, policymakers will be able to make the best policy decisions on NPIs, which are in the main complex social interventions, if they have access to better evidence regarding their broader health and societal impacts. They could consider these alongside their effects on reducing the transmission of the infectious agent
I don’t dispute that masks, distancing, etc helped slow the spread of Covid. And I don’t think anyone does. The real question is whether the costs of doing that were worth the benefits to public health.
I’d say that depends on your perspective. If you’re a jackboot thug it was a grand success and clearly a desirable outcome. If you’re a freedom loving citizen, and especially a parent of young children, it was disastrous.
When it gets bad enough that they close the border, I might look at what they have to say. Until then they can piss off.
President Biden said Friday he plans to request additional funding from Congress for the development of a new COVID-19 vaccine, adding he may require everyone to take it, regardless of if they previously received a vaccine or not.https://www.foxnews.com/health/biden-plans-ask-congress-funding-develop-covid-vaccine-require-shot
Here we go
https://www.foxnews.com/health/biden-plans-ask-congress-funding-develop-covid-vaccine-require-shot
Researchers from Jeonbuk National University in South Korea looked at two types of disposable medical-grade masks, as well as several reusable cotton masks.
The study found that the chemicals released by these masks had eight times the recommended safety limit of toxic volatile organic compounds (TVOCs).
Inhaling TVOCs has been linked to health issues like headaches and nausea, while prolonged and repeated has been linked to organ damage and even cancer.
May need to order a box or two of masks just in case they start mask mandates again and beat the panic.Unseal them and let them air out wherever you store them.
They're pretty cheap and not much of a bother to keep on hand for just in case.
No. NO. HELL NO !!
Never had a flu shot. Never got this "genetic experiment". Not ever.
May need to order a box or two of masks just in case they start mask mandates again and beat the panic.
They're pretty cheap and not much of a bother to keep on hand for just in case.
"Masks are for crooks and the Lone Ranger.
And you don't have any silver bullets."
>:D :rofl:
Have a bunch of German MEN surplus nickel plated 7.62 NATO, definitely silver in color, and silver tip 7.62x54r :P
Would Winchester Silvertip work?
During a Wednesday segment of his Sirius XM radio show, the shock jock conceded that he’s paranoid and "neurotic," especially when it comes to the virus, and noted that his wife, Beth Ostrosky Stern, is less so.
As he explained, this has led to tension and arguments with her as media outlets have been warning about a new coronavirus strain and his wife wants to go out and socialize.
I don't really pay attention to Stern, but didn't he go full blown nazi maniac during covid round 1? Anyway, he's an arrogant putz.
Howard Stern fears the virus
I for one couldn't give a rat's turd what Stern thinks about anything but this paranoid seems prevalent in certain groups
Howard Stern admits fear of new COVID strain has caused fights with his wife: 'I'm scared,' 'neurotic'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/howard-stern-admits-fear-new-covid-strain-caused-fights-wife-scared-neurotic
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Aaron Rodgers injury appears to be either Lisfranc foot injury, ankle sprain or possibly even Achilles. Similar mechanism to JK Dobbins injury Sunday.
Best case is ankle sprain. Will miss several weeks best case.
Keith Olbermann⌚️https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1701395489378148703?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Another #SuddenLisfranc due to failure to vaccinate 💉💉💉💉💉💉
Hydroxychloroquine may also be used to treat coronavirus (COVID-19) in certain hospitalized patients. …
Hydroxychloroquine should only be used for COVID-19 in a hospital or during clinical trials. Do not take any medicine that contains hydroxychloroquine unless prescribed by your doctor.
Fauci: “I’ve been involved in saving, literally, millions of lives,” yet @RonDeSantis is stoking violence against me pic.twitter.com/ck417jbSoc
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) September 24, 2023
The Army is "inviting back" soldiers that they kicked out for refusing vaccination. I'm guessing most of those soldiers have moved on by now. Though at least it appears that they can get "dishonorables" removed.I figure there might be some that were close to getting pension, etc. They might be interested in getting back in. I am curious if they could get at least some credit for the time in between but I doubt it.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/11/17/win-for-the-good-guys-army-to-change-discharge-reason-and-invite-back-unvaccinated-troops-n2389908
Some awesome trolling by Elon. :rofl:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1706676593261785178
The Army is "inviting back" soldiers that they kicked out for refusing vaccination. I'm guessing most of those soldiers have moved on by now. Though at least it appears that they can get "dishonorables" removed.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/11/17/win-for-the-good-guys-army-to-change-discharge-reason-and-invite-back-unvaccinated-troops-n2389908
Nobody got a Dishonorable Discharge for just refusing a vaccine. It was "General Discharge under Honorable Circumstances " unless you did something else to violate UCMJ.
But from what I've heard from USAREC very few troops have come back. Like under 100.
Alarming footage shows mask-wearing crowds inside a Chinese hospital amid fears over a mystery pneumonia sweeping the country.
Beijing insists a new virus is not to blame for scenes of chaos, which have prompted officials to encourage residents to don coverings, socially distance and stay home if unwell.
Instead, health chiefs have pinned the rise on flu and other routine bugs, with China now battling its first full winter without a Covid-induced lockdown.
Local media has reported health facilities as being 'overwhelmed with sick children'.
However, China's health ministry claims it can cope with the spike in sickness, which sparked global panic last week when news of the situation emerged.
China is assuring us there's no new virus. Sounds familiar...To be honest, I think I might prefer the US Govt to "assure us" there is no new virus also. The alternative is trying to push for lock downs, mandate masks, and anything else that is oppressive, but doesn't help with the virus.
To be honest, I think I might prefer the US Govt to "assure us" there is no new virus also. The alternative is trying to push for lock downs, mandate masks, and anything else that is oppressive, but doesn't help with the virus.
An 'extremely high' number of children are being diagnosed with pneumonia in Ohio — which is now the first US state to report an outbreak like the one in China..
Health officials in Warren County, 30 miles north of Cincinnati, said there have been 142 pediatric cases of the condition — dubbed 'white lung syndrome' — since August.
'Not only is this above the county average, it also meets the Ohio Department of Health definition of an outbreak,' the county's health department said Wednesday.
The spread of cases has raised fears that an American outbreak of the infection that has overwhelmed hospitals China could hit this winter. Several European countries are battling similar crises
But a source at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that, nationally, 'nothing is out of the ordinary'.
An 'ongoing investigation' is underway in Ohio into what is triggering the wave of illness, but officials do not think it is a new respiratory disease — and instead blame a mixture of several common infections all hitting at once.
People who followed COVID recommendations more likely to have mental health issues now https://t.co/ClBgM33qFU
— The Messenger (@TheMessenger) November 29, 2023
Greatest percentage appears to be Chinese,
Wearing masks has long been common in many East Asian countries. In Japan it's quite common for a sick person to be the one wearing a mask.
Or come into work with the plague so they can save their sick time/because they used their sick time on Mondays
I always thought this was a good idea, including in the pre-covid times. At least in enclosed areas, which, if you're that sick, the only enclosed public area you should be visiting is the doctor. I get incredibly irritated going to the doctor for the annual checkup or some non-illness thing, and being surrounded by sneezing, coughing germ factories.
The local school system went from "KEEP YOUR KID HOME IF THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE SICK!" to "YOU MUST HAVE A DOCTOR'S NOTE FOR ANY SICK ABSENCE OR YOUR KID WILL BE COUNTED TRUANT!"
So parents just send their kids to school sick and wait for them to be sent home by the nurse.
The local school system went from "KEEP YOUR KID HOME IF THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE SICK!" to "YOU MUST HAVE A DOCTOR'S NOTE FOR ANY SICK ABSENCE OR YOUR KID WILL BE COUNTED TRUANT!"I guess they have to prove attendance to get their funding. I assume some of that was waived during covid.
So parents just send their kids to school sick and wait for them to be sent home by the nurse.
It is not a good use of scarce medical resources to see a kid or adult who is fully recovered but now needs a note to have the absence or time off work excused. If you are in this situation and you are recovered, call your clinic and ask if they can write a note without having to see the patient.From my daughter's school:
That upper respiratory thing I had a few weeks ago, which came with mucus producing ability that would make a hag fish proud, tore through my workplace.
Hit our trash company, hit our grounds company, hit the schools (but apparently not quite as hard).
It was miserable. I'm just now getting over the cough. I'm sure that it was prolonged for me, though, because I'm a smoker.
The local school system went from "KEEP YOUR KID HOME IF THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE SICK!" to "YOU MUST HAVE A DOCTOR'S NOTE FOR ANY SICK ABSENCE OR YOUR KID WILL BE COUNTED TRUANT!"
So parents just send their kids to school sick and wait for them to be sent home by the nurse.
From my daughter's school:
"Please note that in order for a student's absence to be excused, there must be a doctor's note stating that the student was SEEN in the office."
Emphasis in the original.
Remember me saying Ashi was coughing and wheezing? I came down with much the same symptoms last week. I'm starting to wonder what this crap is.
OMG! What do we do? We have 18 people coming tonight for dinner and both my husband and I just tested positive. We tested because we’re asking everyone to provide a negative Covid test before entering. No way can we cancel - some guests came from across the country. pic.twitter.com/f80pI4bnhf
— 🫃🏼💉🇺🇦Hollaria Briden, Esq. (@HollyBriden) December 24, 2023
^^^Wait, wut? She is putting masks on the cats?
My mom has ditched several plans recently due to the sweet and sour sicken. Which is fine, me calling a half hour after you were supposed to be somewhere and the food is ready, not fine. But she was late to both her kids wedding, this year late to her sister's husband's funeral etc. Self centered until the vein in my forehead bursts... But anyway, once her and hubby both tested positive their doc said it was fine to stop masking in their own house. But she read somewhere that pets might get it so masks it was for the cats. No sense in me explaining she is pissing away the last decade of her life hiding from an endemic disease.
^^^Wait, wut? She is putting masks on the cats?
On the Wuhan lab leak: It's all Tom Cotton's fault for people not believing it. Also, what difference does it make? OKThe lab leak idea was dismissed early because people in power knew the CDC and other sources were funding the lab in question. It was an attempt at a cover up.BoomerHillary.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/28/the-reason-the-covid-lab-leak-talk-became-toxic-was-because-of-sen-tom-cotton-n2391216
The lab leak idea was dismissed early because people in power knew the CDC and other sources were funding the lab in question. It was an attempt at a cover up.That's the conclusion I reached with the information available at the time and don't recall being surprised at all.
During his second day of marathon grilling by Congress, the former White House advisor confessed that the lab leak - the idea Covid was engineered and accidentally released from a lab in Wuhan - was 'not a conspiracy theory'.
The U-turn is significant because he was the chief architect of a 2020 paper that discounted the theory. Fauci's friends and former colleagues also spearheaded a paper in the Lancet that called believers conspiracy theorists and racists.
Fauci also U-turned on his views of President Donald Trump's 2020 orders to restrict incoming travelers from China.
He told Congress yesterday that he supported the ban - despite publicly criticizing the move in 2020.
Dr Fauci told the committee that scientific data was not a driver of the blanket six-feet-distance recommendation to reduce the spread of the virus, saying that the rule 'just sort of appeared.'
All clear on the covid at the World Economic Forum!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1747726039139107033
Elon Muskhttps://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1747792804560994770
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Wow, I didn’t know Elizabeth Warren was at Davos
New documents may explain why no one has been able to find the SARS2 virus (aka SARS-CoV-2) infesting a colony of bats, from which it might have jumped to people. The reason would be that the virus has never existed in the natural world. Documents obtained by U.S. Right to Know, a health advocacy group, provide a recipe for assembling SARS-type viruses from six synthetic pieces of DNA designed to be a consensus sequence—the genetically most infectious form—of viruses related to SARS1, the bat virus that caused the minor epidemic of 2002. The probative weight of the recipe is that prior independent evidence already pointed to SARS2 having just such a six-section structure.
The documents unearthed by U.S. Right to Know, and analyzed by its reporter Emily Kopp, include drafts and planning materials for the already-known DEFUSE proposal, an application to DARPA, a Pentagon research agency, for a $14 million grant to enhance SARS-like bat viruses.
https://hotair.com/headlines/2024/01/26/covid-19-lab-leak-case-closed-n607609But multiple "SCIENTISTS" told us it was natural!!
But multiple "SCIENTISTS" told us it was natural!!
alyssa edeshttps://twitter.com/alyssaedes/status/1758614533185147350
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Jfc @united
, the air quality on this flight is horrifying and one, maybe two other people on this full flight of 170 people are wearing a mask. A reading like this means air is not circulating. CO2 itself at these levels are unhealthy, not to mention viruses being breathed out.
Couldn't decide where to put this but I guess the mask comment and photo puts it hereRegardless of her mask stuff, I can see being concerned about air quality on airlines these days. The stuff we have seen pictures of like missing bolts or wing damage are the things we can see.
https://twitter.com/alyssaedes/status/1758614533185147350
Party like it's 2020
Masked 'Recovering Journo' Shaming United for Plane Air Quality ACCIDENTALLY Funniest Post of the Day
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/18/recovering-journo-mask-airline-n2393062
Kframe's norovirus thread reminded me of this: It's completely unscientific, and I'm my only data point, but after getting the OG covid19 back in 2019 (and a fairly potent case of it), I've simply had no illness of any consequence. I used to, like clockwork, get at least a couple of bad colds a year that would last a good week and knock me down. Since the OG, I've not had a single "real" cold. I can't help but think my natural immunity to the covid19 is protecting me against other covid forms. I've never taken a vaccine.
I've had a few instances where I felt like a cold was coming on, but at the most I took an airborne and Emergen-C cocktail, and maybe some night time Theraflu, and the next day was back to at least 90% if not 100%. I think one time it might have taken two days, but no entire weeks like before. Also, I'm currently in physical therapy, and about ten days ago when I was in, pretty much the entire staff there was sick. Sneezing, coughing, the works. I was actually kinda pissed off thinking I'd be getting sick for sure. Sure enough, a few days later I felt a tickle in my nose and what would normally be the beginning of something, but I took the cocktail and the next morning was fit as a fiddle.
Without more data, the null hypothesis would say "coincidence", but unscientifically, I can't help but think there's something to it.
You know what they REALLY don't want to talk about? How the Hong Kong dissidents from 2018-19 all disappeared for "reeducation," and none of them came back.
And then people were just collapsing in China's streets and they were welding up apartment buildings. Sure...
China was looking for an excuse/coverup, and we actually helped them with it.
Remember the headlines about the giant crematoriums and the huge cloud resulting? That was very early covid...
Well, they haven't come home, and it _was_ enough of a blip to be noticed... While everyone was believing the "bodies in the streets" stuff.
The basic advice is the same: Stay home and away from others when you’re sick. Under the new approach, people who test positive for the coronavirus no longer need to isolate at home if they have been fever-free for at least 24 hours without the aid of medication and their overall symptoms are improving.
Holy cow, that works out to an avg of 7.5 shots per month!
German man received 217 coronavirus vaccine shots over a 29-month period, study says
https://www.foxnews.com/world/german-man-received-217-coronavirus-vaccine-shots-over-29-month-period-study-says
The healthiest man alive. He will never die.
Seems he was selling shot cards...
Razer is now listing the Zephyr on its store, having launched it at RazerCon today. And you can order one right now for the princely sum of $99.99, or $149.99 if you want the starter pack with replacement N95 filters.https://www.pcgamer.com/razer-zephyr-face-on-review/
Took me a while to find the price
https://www.pcgamer.com/razer-zephyr-face-on-review/
A fool and their money........
heh...
We had an employee running around in one of those at my company...
She not only had the mask, she also had a face shield, gloves, and a tyvek suit.
Every day.
For months on end.
Man, SECNAV is kind of a jackass.
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/05/16/secretary-of-navy-no-regrets-about-firing-covid-vaccine-n2396304
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/four-years-on-covid-19-remains-a-worse-killer-than-the-flu-study-finds/
An interesting study done using VA records.
Patients hospitalized for COVID had a 35% higher risk of dying within 30 days than influenza patients, Ziyad Al-Aly and colleagues at the clinical epidemiology center of the Veterans Affairs St Louis Health Care System in Missouri found.
The COVID-19 and seasonal influenza groups were balanced after propensity score weighting (Table 1). Patients hospitalized for COVID-19 had a higher risk of death compared with those hospitalized for seasonal influenza (adjusted death rate, 5.70% vs 4.24% at 30 days; adjusted HR, 1.35 [95% CI, 1.10-1.66]).
^^^That is what I was thinking about. Does looking only at hospitalized patients really tell you that much?
Indeed. I hadn't though of that. Also, that's 30-day death of folks that were hospitalized for Flu/COVID. I expect that weeds out all the "not that bad" cases. I think by the time you are hospitalized for a respiratory illness, things have gone kinda south.
What's the 30-day survival for folks hospitalized for Pneumonia, I wonder?
That is what I was thinking about. Does looking only at hospitalized patients really tell you that much?I find I can often learn quite a bit by how dramatic the claims are from overly specific studies.
Is it too tinfoily to think another engineered virus will hit for election? I don't like being Alex Jones but I wonder. Some wild stuff going around local to me.
In today's (6/17/2024) New York Times:
https://archive.ph/20240617122155/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/17/health/bird-flu-pandemic-humans.html