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Title: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on September 28, 2022, 10:11:08 AM
I see why we have this "global warming AKA climate change" agenda. The left needed something "un-substantiate-able" to help destroy the economy that could rely upon fear rather than fact. They chose this avenue and are trying like the devil to come up with "facts" that might lend credence to their means toward their end since the real science casts doubt on their machinations.

When you cry wolf there had better be one around.

Anyone wish to speculate what their next move might be when this climate crap looses favor and leaves them "high and dry?"

Woody
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: HankB on September 28, 2022, 10:33:35 AM
Climate change spending is a scam that makes Bernie Madoff's shenanigans look like a back alley game of three-card Monte, and I think it will be difficult to come up with another swindle with equal potential.

Look for some way to leverage claims of racism/equity on public works projects.

Mayor Pete has already been blathering nonsense about "racist roads" and rather than repairing bad bridges has proposed tearing up good roads to build non-racist replacements, usually in cities where the opportunity for graft abounds. It wouldn't surprise me if they start to go after companies (Walgreens, Starbucks, various supermarket chains, auto repair shops, etc.) that have acted in a racist manner by closing or not rebuilding their businesses in high-crime areas or where they were burned out & looted during the BLM/Antifa riots. So maybe the Feds will start to stick their noses in local zoning issues and start arm-twisting companies into opening criminal-friendly stores. (They're probably not sure how to go about monetizing that, so it hasn't really happened yet . . . but they're thinking about it. Remember Michelle Obama harping about "food deserts?")
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Bogie on September 28, 2022, 10:39:26 AM
A friend just closed a formerly very successful business after the area it was in became infested with addicts panhandling and doing violent crimes.
 
People in the neighborhood have actually been talking about Doing Something.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: 230RN on September 28, 2022, 12:18:27 PM
I love the capital letters on "Doing Something."

I'm glad some folks are seeing The Plan for what it really is:  Repeating the history:  Create destructive chaos, hold Communism out as "The Solution."

Yeah, I'm wun uh them Extremists. See my avatar.

You ought to hear the political ads in Colorado.  There isn't one I've heard that doesn't cry Exrtremism.  (They seem to have started early on the poli ads.)

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 28, 2022, 04:27:09 PM
I love the capital letters on "Doing Something."

I'm glad some folks are seeing The Plan for what it really is:  Repeating the history:  Create destructive chaos, hold Communism out as "The Solution."

Yeah, I'm wun uh them Extremists. See my avatar.

You ought to hear the political ads in Colorado.  There isn't one I've heard that doesn't cry Exrtremism.  (They seem to have started early on the poli ads.)

Terry, 230RN
It doesn't take a lot of thought about "doing something" to realize it would likely get you screwed over by the legal system in most jurisdictions, and further the politicians that set up the conditions would love to have something to crow about politically. 
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 28, 2022, 06:14:00 PM
The great thing about "climate change" is that it's impossible to quantify, and impossible to either prove or refute. As far as I'm concerned, it's just "weather," but the statistics wonks can use numbers to "prove" anything they want, just by selectively choosing what period they want to use as their basis for comparison.

I'm old enough to remember when the scare du jour was global cooling -- they were predicting a new ice age. I can't remember the name of the movie, but I clearly remember seeing a trailer for a movie about people trying to survive arctic-like conditions in some major U.S. city (probably New York, but that's speculation). Then, all of a sudden, they shifted from global cooling to global warming, and then -- when the global didn't warming as quickly as they had predicted/wanted/hoped -- they changed it to "climate change." Once you call it that, you can't be wrong.

My benchmark is Greenland. From around A.D. 900 to A.D. 1400, the Vikings had a viable agrarian society flourishing on Greenland. (Yeah, it's named "Green" land for a reason.) Then came a period of global cooling, sea ice cut off their trade routes, and they eventually abandoned Greenland. Until it gets too warm to live on Greenland, as far as I'm concerned it's just a long-term weather cycle.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: 230RN on September 28, 2022, 07:16:11 PM
Hawkmoon remarked,

"As far as I'm concerned, it's just 'weather,' but the statistics wonks can use numbers to 'prove' anything they want, just by selectively choosing what period they want to use as their basis for comparison."

Sure, you use the last 200 years of relatively precise measurements with actual thermometers and ignore the nice regular 100,000 year cycles that have been going on for 400,000 years.  But those regular cycles were only proxy measurements after all, not with actual thermometers.

And they forget that the regularity proves the validity. 

Idiots.

I wish science could serve only itself instead of politicians and sales departments, but where's the profit and juicy grant money in that?

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 29, 2022, 08:50:06 AM
Plus, the measurements from the last 200 years can be further "adjusted" by using them to come up with an average world temperature.  I believe that is one of the scams that was uncovered.  One of the algorithms used to come up with an average was proven to be fraudulent when the researcher was finally forced to release his code.  No matter what temps were put in, it spit out a hockey stick graph that "proved" warming was occurring. 
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: HankB on September 29, 2022, 09:01:11 AM
Plus, the measurements from the last 200 years can be further "adjusted" by using them to come up with an average world temperature.  I believe that is one of the scams that was uncovered.  One of the algorithms used to come up with an average was proven to be fraudulent when the researcher was finally forced to release his code.  No matter what temps were put in, it spit out a hockey stick graph that "proved" warming was occurring.
"Corrected" temperature readings have been part of the climate change scam for a long time. "Corrections" mean lowering old recorded temperatures and raising recent recorded temperature - and presto! Global warming!
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Ben on September 29, 2022, 09:14:59 AM
This also goes back to one of my many pet peeves - that modern humans simply can't comprehend the difference between human and planetary timescales. The planet doesn't care about a few hundred, a few thousand, or a few tens of thousands of years. It starts to care around a few hundreds of thousands years. That is minor variability on a 4.5 billion year old planet, which at one time was poisonous to mammalian life.

A great example was Don Lemonhead the other day telling the Director of NOAA's Hurricane Center that he was wrong when he refuted Lemonhead's argument that Ian was due to climate change. The Director corrected him and correctly stated that a single event is not scientific evidence of anything one way or the other. A flustered Lemonhead responded with, But...but...but I grew up there and I never saw a hurricane like that. Were you growing up there 100 or 1000 or 10,000 years ago, Lemonhead? If it happened outside the average human lifespan, it didn't actually happen.  ;/
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 29, 2022, 09:18:04 AM
Yeah, I heard that exchange.  It was ignorant.  There have been some pretty powerful hurricanes hit Florida in my lifetime.  If he grew up there, he must not have lived there very long or has a very bad memory. 

Newsman Discovers Hurricanes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oQ9Amw25hA

Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: 230RN on September 29, 2022, 09:28:26 AM
As I've been saying for almost a decade, check back with me in 50,000 years and I'll give you my opinion on global warming.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on September 29, 2022, 11:42:40 AM
In the memory of living man is not enough data.  :old:

Woody
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 29, 2022, 12:26:03 PM
In the memory of living man is not enough data.  :old:

Woody
I agree with.  One of the reasons I like Randall Carlson is he shows his data on average temperatures going back 10K or 15K years and points out that the warming people are concerned about now is nothing. 
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Calumus on September 29, 2022, 11:11:23 PM
I agree with.  One of the reasons I like Randall Carlson is he shows his data on average temperatures going back 10K or 15K years and points out that the warming people are concerned about now is nothing.

Randall is awesome. His take on climate change is refreshing. He’s on Joe Rogan’s show talking about it in episode 606. It’s still on YouTube. His own podcast is pretty interesting too. Wide ranging topics, all very well researched.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on December 19, 2022, 09:40:45 AM
Wasn't sure where to put this, here or in one of the gun control threads.

"Global Warming is the Real Cause for Increased ‘Gun Violence"

Don’t Blame Defunded Police or ‘Progressive’ Prosecutors, Global Warming is the Real Cause for Increased ‘Gun Violence’
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dont-blame-defunded-police-or-progressive-prosecutors-global-warming-is-the-real-cause-for-increased-gun-violence/

Think they're now lay off gun control?
Of course not.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Lennyjoe on December 19, 2022, 10:22:05 AM
I’ve often wondered why global warming alarmists run from a discussion when you bring geology into the argument. 

Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: HankB on December 19, 2022, 11:19:59 AM
I’ve often wondered why global warming alarmists run from a discussion when you bring geology into the argument.
Geology is racist?
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on December 19, 2022, 11:20:42 AM
Geology is racist?

White science
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Bogie on December 19, 2022, 11:46:31 AM
You know what the real cause of urban crime is?
 
Dodge Chargers.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: 230RN on December 19, 2022, 12:34:03 PM
White science

"White" science is in the Vostok ice cores going back half a million years.

"Black ice" is the bad ice.

Now, chess is really racist since white makes the first move.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on December 19, 2022, 12:37:37 PM
https://youtu.be/9-Sz-HDF1ds
Randall Carlson did a recent show talking about deceptive temperature numbers.  He takes one specifically and takes it apart.  It is 2 hours so set aside some time.

Essentially, one of the graphs he pulled out goes back to 1962 to show rising temps.  He showed 1962 low point in the 100 year data.  He also talked about heat island effects among other things.   
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on December 19, 2022, 03:28:45 PM
I’ve often wondered why global warming alarmists run from a discussion when you bring geology into the argument.

They all believe the seas are rising on TV, and then go and buy beachfront property at Martha's Vineyard.  Funny how none of that property is underwater.

Then again, you think about the "seas rising" and have to ask, given that:
1. There's a finite volume of water on the Earth, either in the ocean or ice caps or rivers/lakes
2. There's a finite amount of rocky matter to shape the continents with

How can you quantify the seas are rising, versus the raised land settling into the sea?  Or if you get into plate tectonics, perhaps the Atlantic seaboard is rising (which makes it perfectly sensible to buy Martha's Vineyard properties) but the Pacific seaboard is receding?  IIRC the North American plate subducts under the Pacific plate.  With the width of the Atlantic changing every year, and the texture of the Pacific floor changing every year displacing water wherever new subsea mounts develop, you're going to have water flowing wherever it can when it gets displaced.  That may mean that some lowland flat bays get reclaimed by the oceans.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Doggy Daddy on December 19, 2022, 06:47:49 PM
AZRedhawk44 didn't "silence" himself.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: zxcvbob on December 19, 2022, 07:18:50 PM
They all believe the seas are rising on TV, and then go and buy beachfront property at Martha's Vineyard.  Funny how none of that property is underwater.

Then again, you think about the "seas rising" and have to ask, given that:
1. There's a finite volume of water on the Earth, either in the ocean or ice caps or rivers/lakes
2. There's a finite amount of rocky matter to shape the continents with

How can you quantify the seas are rising, versus the raised land settling into the sea?  Or if you get into plate tectonics, perhaps the Atlantic seaboard is rising (which makes it perfectly sensible to buy Martha's Vineyard properties) but the Pacific seaboard is receding?  IIRC the North American plate subducts under the Pacific plate.  With the width of the Atlantic changing every year, and the texture of the Pacific floor changing every year displacing water wherever new subsea mounts develop, you're going to have water flowing wherever it can when it gets displaced.  That may mean that some lowland flat bays get reclaimed by the oceans.

Sea levels will rise if the ice in Greenland and/or the Antarctic melt, or just fall off into the ocean.  If ice already floating in the oceans melts, that should have no affect on sea levels.  If the ocean temperatures rise, the water will expand and raise sea levels but I think that should be insignificant.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Lennyjoe on December 19, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
Sea rising is one thing.  Geology tells us how the earth heats and cools well before man started burning oil.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: bedlamite on December 20, 2022, 07:58:05 AM
When the average iq is dropping, you can raise the amount of bs, and people will believe the TV.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on December 20, 2022, 10:49:25 AM
When the average iq is dropping, you can raise the amount of bs, and people will believe the TV.
Now that is a graph I might believe.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Bogie on December 20, 2022, 09:16:28 PM
"Gee, Bubba, we're getting kinda popular out here at the Podunk Airport - them city folks like the short hop in when they want to go to shows and stuff. And the university folks really like that weather box that they set up out toward the end of the runway. They're coming to look at it next month. We're resurfacing all the blacktop, so if there is anything left over, run a loop around it so that they don't get stuck this time."
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Fly320s on December 20, 2022, 09:17:59 PM
You know what the real cause of urban crime is?
 
Dodge Chargers.

Nissan Altima and Maxima are the real heroes.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Bogie on December 20, 2022, 10:05:24 PM
Distant second and third... I see SO many chargers (usually the 3.6 engine...) with bullet holes...
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: 230RN on December 21, 2022, 08:17:27 AM
When the average iq is dropping, you can raise the amount of bs, and people will believe the TV.

Truth that makes me weep.  And you can add the 'net to the TV variable.

But you have to remember that everybody believes what they hear repeated. It's the advertising principle of repeated impacts, and if you believe you're immune to it, think again.

My perhaps flawed observation is that Conservatives do not understand that principle --however, their access to "advertising" media is limited because the "other guys" got into media consciousness first.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: cordex on December 21, 2022, 12:12:38 PM
Distant second and third... I see SO many chargers (usually the 3.6 engine...) with bullet holes...
They can get out of their own way.  Was told that a county over an unmarked pickup tried to stop a guy in a Charger with felony warrants.  As it was called out, the chase started out at 130 and the cop in the pickup had to give up almost as soon as the chase started.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Bogie on December 21, 2022, 12:24:10 PM
And I'm guessing that one had the 5.7... Most of 'em have the small engine.
 
And you gotta lift the hood or look at the VIN, because more than a few of 'em have the "Hemi" badging stuck on 'em.
 
I know of one that has a Hellcat... Sort of. He got the decorations off fleabay.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: HankB on December 21, 2022, 05:24:14 PM
They can get out of their own way.  Was told that a county over an unmarked pickup tried to stop a guy in a Charger with felony warrants.  As it was called out, the chase started out at 130 and the cop in the pickup had to give up almost as soon as the chase started.
I'd generally give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who wouldn't stop for an unmarked pickup. Over the years, there have been a number of fake cops locally trying to stop motorists, using lights they got from J.C. Whitney or some random dealer on the internet. Things went poorly for some people who pulled over. (Went poorly for the fake cop when the person he pulled over turned out to be a real cop.)
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 21, 2022, 05:52:46 PM
I'd generally give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who wouldn't stop for an unmarked pickup. Over the years, there have been a number of fake cops locally trying to stop motorists, using lights they got from J.C. Whitney or some random dealer on the internet. Things went poorly for some people who pulled over. (Went poorly for the fake cop when the person he pulled over turned out to be a real cop.)

I'd be reluctant to pull over for an unmarked car after dark.
For years we've had stories on the news of women being assaulted by fake cops. We have the police brass coming on the news to tell folks that if they are suspicious to put on your hazard lights, call 911 to confirm and proceed to a well lit area like a busy gas station to pull over and then when some woman does exactly that we've seen them manhandled and arrested for failing to stop.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Boomhauer on December 21, 2022, 06:30:34 PM
I’ve been pulled over by an unmarked after dark (didn’t know it was unmarked until we got stopped)

She had backup there shortly but I thought it was *expletive deleted*ing stupid of her to initiate a stop, especially for the tag light that was out on my truck.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: 230RN on December 23, 2022, 08:14:36 PM
I don't think a pickup could keep up or maneuver with a tricked-out sedan.   Probably gave up on that account.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on December 27, 2022, 12:04:00 PM
I'll take the double patty Planet Destroyer Burger with extra Global Warming Hot Sauce please

Now they want CLIMATE CHANGE warnings on fast food menus: Scientists say environmental impact stamps on food will lead to more sustainable choices
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11576335/Now-want-CLIMATE-CHANGE-warnings-fast-food-menus.html
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on December 27, 2022, 12:14:54 PM
I'll take the double patty Planet Destroyer Burger with extra Global Warming Hot Sauce please

Now they want CLIMATE CHANGE warnings on fast food menus: Scientists say environmental impact stamps on food will lead to more sustainable choices
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11576335/Now-want-CLIMATE-CHANGE-warnings-fast-food-menus.html

I'm surprised they haven't mandated such warnings be posted on gas pumps, filler caps on your car, and a skull and crossbones warning next to the ignition switch on cars, etc.

Woody
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on December 27, 2022, 12:22:17 PM
I'm surprised they haven't mandated such warnings be posted on gas pumps, filler caps on your car, and a skull and crossbones warning next to the ignition switch on cars, etc.

Woody

A compute voice that tells you how many POC you are impacting.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on December 27, 2022, 03:54:51 PM
I'll take the double patty Planet Destroyer Burger with extra Global Warming Hot Sauce please

Now they want CLIMATE CHANGE warnings on fast food menus: Scientists say environmental impact stamps on food will lead to more sustainable choices
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11576335/Now-want-CLIMATE-CHANGE-warnings-fast-food-menus.html
It won't lead to anything but more bureaucratic mess for businesses to deal with.  No one eating at McDonald's is thinking about climate change. 

I am surprised they don't mandate all the Happy Meals have a climate change themed toy. 
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2023, 10:33:47 AM
Meanwhile in we're all going to die because of Climate Change forever drought stricken California they have too much water because of Climate Change

Mega reservoir Oroville needs to make room for more water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2EaYubZWwI
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 11, 2023, 11:36:42 AM
Oh muh Gerd!!! The reservoirs are at EIGHTY-EIGHT PERCENT of their capacity! And Oh muh Gerd!!!!! By the end of the rainy season they MIGHT even be up to 100 percent of their historical average!!!

Man the lifeboats! Women and children (of color) first!
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: RocketMan on March 11, 2023, 01:08:07 PM
Full reservoirs are indicative of white supremacy in government.  Empty reservoirs are racist, hurting POC folks the most.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 11, 2023, 01:40:16 PM
I'm really not sure what the panic is all about. California has been facing a water crisis. Now that there's some water and snowpack to help alleviate that problem, the usual suspects have to spin that as a new problem rather than welcoming it as good news.

What they have all left out is that the controlled floodgates are only part of the system. As the water level rises (if it gets that high) they can open more sluice gates to release water more rapidly. But IF the rate of inflow exceeds the release capacity of the sluice gates, the dam was designed with an overflow spillway immediately to the north-northwest of the sluiceway. You can see it in the Google satellite view:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Oroville+Dam/@39.5421191,-121.4830348,3054m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x809cb6e8b27d5f5d:0xf862d16dd22fc74f!8m2!3d39.5380318!4d-121.4832601!16zL20vMDRxNW5x

There's a reason why the Spillway Launch Ramp is named the "Spillway" Launch Ramp.

https://water.ca.gov/Programs/State-Water-Project/SWP-Facilities/Oroville/Oroville-Spillways
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on March 12, 2023, 11:29:28 AM
I'm really not sure what the panic is all about. California has been facing a water crisis. Now that there's some water and snowpack to help alleviate that problem, the usual suspects have to spin that as a new problem rather than welcoming it as good news.

What they have all left out is that the controlled floodgates are only part of the system. As the water level rises (if it gets that high) they can open more sluice gates to release water more rapidly. But IF the rate of inflow exceeds the release capacity of the sluice gates, the dam was designed with an overflow spillway immediately to the north-northwest of the sluiceway. You can see it in the Google satellite view:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Oroville+Dam/@39.5421191,-121.4830348,3054m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x809cb6e8b27d5f5d:0xf862d16dd22fc74f!8m2!3d39.5380318!4d-121.4832601!16zL20vMDRxNW5x

There's a reason why the Spillway Launch Ramp is named the "Spillway" Launch Ramp.

https://water.ca.gov/Programs/State-Water-Project/SWP-Facilities/Oroville/Oroville-Spillways

Makes me wonder if the problems these dams and other "flood control" measures are producing are worse than the problems these things were created to alleviate.  [popcorn]

Woody
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: gunsmith on March 12, 2023, 11:47:09 PM
according to google, climate change killed off mastadons and mammoths, I've always been sad we no longer have mammoths around - when I was a kid I thought they would make great pets but now that I'm interested in the paleo diet, I bet they tasted great.
I like pointing out to the climate alarm religionist that climate change happens  but I often think that the mastadons/mammoths were wiped out due to being tasty.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2023, 09:48:45 AM
I have heard different things.  One idea lately is some sort of comet/asteroid impacted the ice sheets over North America causing very very quick climate shift and the ice sheets melted very quickly. 

Big game hunting in North America would be cool.  There probably wouldn't be too many left by now.  I have heard people are trying to figure out how to clone a mammoth.  Not sure if they will get there. 
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2023, 09:52:25 AM
Makes me wonder if the problems these dams and other "flood control" measures are producing are worse than the problems these things were created to alleviate.  [popcorn]

Woody
From what I have read, there used to be a big lake in the central valley area in Southern California that would essentially fill with this water.  It was drained to open up the farm land on the lake bed.  It would be interesting if that lake still existed as the primary source of water. 

They also say thousands of years ago, the lake extended from there up past San Francisco.  I imagine a huge lake in up and down central California would affect the climate all over that region.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 13, 2023, 10:24:21 AM
I think we need many, many more apex level predators in the US. Particularly in cities and urban areas.
The think sabertooth lions, short nose bears, dire wolf...
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2023, 10:28:38 AM
I think we need many, many more apex level predators in the US. Particularly in cities and urban areas.
The think sabertooth lions, short nose bears, dire wolf...

Right now our apex predators are lawyers.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2023, 12:26:28 PM
Short nose bear.  They could probably lay on some speed for at least short distances.  They appear leaner and longer legged than Grizzlies, but I have no experience with bears close up.

(https://i.redd.it/0bfaoe9l06kz.jpg)
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2023, 12:28:31 PM
What caliber for Short Nose Bear?

This

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ElectricImperturbableFreshwatereel-max-1mb.gif)

I hate to think of only having a spear if that came at me.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: JTHunter on March 13, 2023, 01:35:51 PM
Considering that bears size, it is unlikely that it could climb a tree.  The problem sor humans trying to escape them would be whether or not they could climb fast enough to get out of reach AND to find a tree big enough that the bear couldn't push it over.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2023, 02:45:18 PM
No this isn't the Babylon Bee

Look out Bullwinkle, they're coming for ya!

Quote
Researchers claim that moose are potentially a leading cause of climate change and that the species should be balanced, suggesting they are "one of the biggest potential single sources of carbon emissions from wooded parts of Norway."

Guess Squirrels are next.

Researchers identify this mammal as latest potential cause of climate change, suggest balancing species
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/researchers-identify-mammal-latest-potential-cause-climate-change-suggest-balancing-species
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: zxcvbob on March 13, 2023, 03:00:52 PM
No this isn't the Babylon Bee

Look out Bullwinkle, they're coming for ya!

Researchers claim that moose are potentially a leading cause of climate change and that the species should be balanced, suggesting they are "one of the biggest potential single sources of carbon emissions from wooded parts of Norway."

Guess Squirrels are next.

Researchers identify this mammal as latest potential cause of climate change, suggest balancing species
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/researchers-identify-mammal-latest-potential-cause-climate-change-suggest-balancing-species

A Møøse once bit my sister
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2023, 03:02:29 PM
A Møøse once bit my sister

She named Greta?
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2023, 03:05:55 PM
No this isn't the Babylon Bee

Look out Bullwinkle, they're coming for ya!

Guess Squirrels are next.

Researchers identify this mammal as latest potential cause of climate change, suggest balancing species
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/researchers-identify-mammal-latest-potential-cause-climate-change-suggest-balancing-species
I wonder when they will start talking about "balancing" the human species.  I figure it is only a matter of time.  They are already thinking it.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: BobR on March 13, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
I wonder when they will start talking about "balancing" the human species.  I figure it is only a matter of time.  They are already thinking it.


That is the end goal for some. Reduce the human footprint 1000 fold and watch Mother Earth rebound.

bob
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 13, 2023, 10:24:32 PM
Considering that bears size, it is unlikely that it could climb a tree.  The problem sor humans trying to escape them would be whether or not they could climb fast enough to get out of reach AND to find a tree big enough that the bear couldn't push it over.

Hell, it would just knock the tree over, or eat it on the way to it's prey.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 13, 2023, 10:25:39 PM
I wonder when they will start talking about "balancing" the human species.  I figure it is only a matter of time.  They are already thinking it.

Listen close enough and they are already talking about it. *cough, cough* Bill Gates *cough, cough*
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2023, 10:50:11 PM
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y_65HXC4E18/Ti-KdtShGII/AAAAAAAABMI/0VoKiRzOEgc/s1600/ArctodusSimus.jpg)

This is another picture of the short faced bear.  I think the longer legs stood out to me.  May mean they were a bit faster or better runners than modern bears. 
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: gunsmith on March 15, 2023, 10:00:41 PM
Listen close enough and they are already talking about it. *cough, cough* Bill Gates *cough, cough*

 covid was widely called "boomer remover" lots of seemingly sane people were speculating that is the real reason China released it on its own population.
The idea is that there are way more older non working people than there is young people to pay into the system to support them.
  Apparently, a popular "theory" in Russia is the "golden billion" which I think means the billion wealthiest  people will take it all and the reduced population will be slaves/serfs 
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2023, 09:21:00 AM
Let them eat bugs

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A middle school in Utah's Nebo School District gave sixth-grade students "disgusting" insects to eat last week as part of an English assignment on climate change, claiming it would save the environment from cows which were "killing the world," according to a mom who spoke with Fox News Digital.

And don't dare disagree

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The climate change assignment instructed sixth-graders to write an argumentative essay, but did not permit students to disagree. The only acceptable answer was that humans should eat insects for their protein instead of cows, which are destroying the Ozone layer with methane gas.

Wait, are we back to this ozone layer business?

Utah school gives kids 'disgusting' insects to eat in class for climate assignment on cows killing the Earth
https://www.foxnews.com/media/utah-school-gives-kids-insects-eat-class-climate-change-assignment-says-will-save-planet
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Ben on March 16, 2023, 09:28:10 AM
^^^

I don't know what it is with the commies and their fascination and insistence regarding people eating bugs.

I can't recall where I saw it within the last week, but somebody on the interwebz made a good point: If bugs and insects are so great and tasty, why weren't humans farming them over the last few thousand years? It would be way less work to raise mealworms and crickets than sheep and cattle. We actually worked to not have to eat bugs.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: 230RN on March 17, 2023, 12:17:55 AM
I wonder when they will start talking about "balancing" the human species.  I figure it is only a matter of time.  They are already thinking it.

It was considered, adopted, and implemented in the late thirties and early forties in parts of Europe, but was ultimately discouraged.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 17, 2023, 01:30:06 AM
In the 1970s and into the 1980s, there were two movements that attracted some attention from intellectuals: Zero Population Growth, and Negative Population Growth. Both were promoted as being the solution to mankind's eventual destruction of the planet.

Does anyone remember when China was forcibly restricting families to two children? Isn't China now pushing its citizens to reproduce as rapidly and prolifically as possible?
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on March 17, 2023, 02:25:25 PM
In the 1970s and into the 1980s, there were two movements that attracted some attention from intellectuals: Zero Population Growth, and Negative Population Growth. Both were promoted as being the solution to mankind's eventual destruction of the planet.

Does anyone remember when China was forcibly restricting families to two children? Isn't China now pushing its citizens to reproduce as rapidly and prolifically as possible?
China had a One Child policy for many years.  They finally realized they now have an unbalanced population as well as not enough younger people.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: 230RN on March 18, 2023, 03:02:29 AM
China had a One Child policy for many years.  They finally realized they now have an unbalanced population as well as not enough younger people.

They just didn't have the right people in charge.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: HankB on March 18, 2023, 10:24:27 AM
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A middle school in Utah's Nebo School District gave sixth-grade students "disgusting" insects to eat last week as part of an English assignment on climate change,

What the HELL do feeding the kids bugs and climate change have to do with teaching English?  At the very least, that teacher ought to be FIRED FOR NOT DOING HIS JOB, WHICH IS TEACHING ENGLISH!!!
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: zxcvbob on March 18, 2023, 11:55:57 AM
What the HELL do feeding the kids bugs and climate change have to do with teaching English?  At the very least, that teacher ought to be FIRED FOR NOT DOING HIS JOB, WHICH IS TEACHING ENGLISH!!!

The writing assignment was the English part. 
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 18, 2023, 01:28:46 PM
Assignment: Write a 500-word essay on eating bugs.

My entry:

Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
Bugs are disgusting creatures that I can't swallow.
...
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: RocketMan on March 18, 2023, 02:42:47 PM
We had a science teacher in junior high or high school (don't remember for sure as it's been a while) that used to bring home canned edible bugs from his summer vacation trips to various places in Asia.  He'd bring them to class, open them and offer the various comestible delights to any students brave enough to try them.
He had crickets, grasshoppers, various grubs and worms, etc.  Some tasted quite nasty, some were okay, and some were actually pretty good, though I don't remember which were which after all these years.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: JTHunter on March 18, 2023, 03:14:07 PM
While I may be classed as an "omnivore", I am definitely NOT an "insectivore".  I limit myself to the more ordinary and mundane fish, various meats, eggs, various fowl, various dairy products, and a variety of plants (fruits & veg.) and grains (wheat, oats, corn, barley).
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 18, 2023, 03:39:16 PM
While I may be classed as an "omnivore", I am definitely NOT an "insectivore".  I limit myself to the more ordinary and mundane fish, various meats, eggs, various fowl, various dairy products, and a variety of plants (fruits & veg.) and grains (wheat, oats, corn, barley).

Racist.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on March 18, 2023, 05:57:03 PM
What the HELL do feeding the kids bugs and climate change have to do with teaching English?  At the very least, that teacher ought to be FIRED FOR NOT DOING HIS JOB, WHICH IS TEACHING ENGLISH!!!

Kinda like the gods of the copy book headings.

Woody
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on March 18, 2023, 06:54:42 PM
John the Baptist ate wild honey and locusts.  I would rather not eat locusts or any bugs myself. 
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 18, 2023, 07:14:39 PM
Look up the FDA specs on how many insect parts or rodent hairs are allowed in our food.

 :rofl:

Personally, being at the top of the food chain in a first world, (mostly)civilized country means I don't have to eat bugs. There are also considerable portions of food animals I decline to eat as well.
However, push comes to shove, in a survival situation all bets are off.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: zxcvbob on March 18, 2023, 07:53:26 PM
I think meal worms are already used in chicken feed and maybe even cattle feed.  Insects might be a good source of high-quality protein to use as a food additive.  Something you add to real meat, perhaps even at fairly high percentages (with proper disclosure of course,) to extend it in things like sausage and frozen fast food hamburger patties.  USDA will probably just give it a cryptic number so companies can disclose it in the ingredient lists w/o people realizing what it is. 

I'd rather we raise insects to make biofuels or feed them to food, instead of wasting corn which is perfectly good people food.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: MechAg94 on March 19, 2023, 12:57:30 PM
My brother was raising some sort of meal worm for his chickens.  The worms would eat up table scraps and such pretty fast.  The chickens loved the worms. 

He was trying to let the chickens roam around during the day to eat bungs or other forage, but they always ended up in his neighbor's yard who didn't like them. 
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2023, 09:02:17 AM
Now we're going to get eaten

Scientists sound alarm over another climate change concern — flesh-eating bacteria expected to DOUBLE in next 20 years as oceans get warmer
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11895483/Scientists-sound-alarm-flesh-eating-bacteria-expected-DOUBLE-20-years.html
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: zxcvbob on March 24, 2023, 09:50:41 AM
My brother was raising some sort of meal worm for his chickens.  The worms would eat up table scraps and such pretty fast.  The chickens loved the worms. 

He was trying to let the chickens roam around during the day to eat bungs or other forage, but they always ended up in his neighbor's yard who didn't like them.

The way you deal with that is a small portable chicken coop.  They're called "chicken tractors" for some reason; if you google it you will see lots of plans.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Bogie on March 24, 2023, 12:15:20 PM
Here's what happens when Californians mess with things...
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salton_Sea
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2023, 03:37:13 PM
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, too many homeruns... MASS HYSTERIA

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    A new study finds that climate change is making major league sluggers into even hotter hitters, sending an extra 50 or so home runs a year over the fences. https://t.co/Doee0mbZ7Z

    — The Associated Press (@AP) April 7, 2023

 Obviously a memo went out telling the media to tie home runs to climate change
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/04/07/obviously-a-memo-went-out-telling-the-media-to-tie-home-runs-to-climate-change/
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: grampster on April 07, 2023, 03:52:14 PM
Now we're going to get eaten

Scientists sound alarm over another climate change concern — flesh-eating bacteria expected to DOUBLE in next 20 years as oceans get warmer
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11895483/Scientists-sound-alarm-flesh-eating-bacteria-expected-DOUBLE-20-years.html

Not to worry.  The bacteria seem to only eat Progressives.
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 07, 2023, 05:40:34 PM
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, too many homeruns... MASS HYSTERIA

 Obviously a memo went out telling the media to tie home runs to climate change
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/04/07/obviously-a-memo-went-out-telling-the-media-to-tie-home-runs-to-climate-change/

I thought it was because they changed the way major league baseballs are made. They've been debating it for three or four years ...

https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2022/12/7/23498096/mlb-different-baseballs-2022-juiced-yankees-aaron-judge

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/01/1060579444/news-the-mlb-used-2-types-of-baseballs-in-2021-could-throw-curveball-into-labor

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/four-questions-mlb-needs-to-answer-after-report-reveals-league-used-two-different-baseballs-in-2021/
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: gunsmith on April 09, 2023, 11:59:48 PM
The way you deal with that is a small portable chicken coop.  They're called "chicken tractors" for some reason; if you google it you will see lots of plans.

chickens poop constantly and will eat every plant and scratch the soil, making it great to plant in .
I would totally raise mealworms for chickens , as well as other insects .... one time a huge grasshopper bit me so I threw it into the chicken coop-they're savages!!
Title: Re: When You Cry Climate Change ...
Post by: Nick1911 on April 10, 2023, 12:13:53 AM
We do the mealworm thing.  Turns kitchen waste into chicken treats. 
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Post by: MechAg94 on April 10, 2023, 09:17:01 AM
chickens poop constantly and will eat every plant and scratch the soil, making it great to plant in .
I would totally raise mealworms for chickens , as well as other insects .... one time a huge grasshopper bit me so I threw it into the chicken coop-they're savages!!
I have never been bitten by a grasshopper.  I didn't know they bit.  However, I have seen those big grasshoppers sometimes.  I don't think I have ever been in a position where one of those could bite me.  We usually try to kill them if we see them.  I figure they are poisonous in some way as they don't get eaten.