Author Topic: The Guns That Never Were....  (Read 33611 times)

seeker_two

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,922
  • In short, most intelligence is false.
The Guns That Never Were....
« on: December 20, 2010, 03:05:54 PM »
Just thinking while making out my Christmas list....what is a firearm that was never made, but you wish you owned?....

My choice....a Thompson SMG in .38Super...with a 60-rd drum magazine....  :cool:


Wish away!.....  =D
Impressed yet befogged, they grasped at his vivid leading phrases, seeing only their surface meaning, and missing the deeper current of his thought.

Scout26

  • I'm a leaf on the wind.
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 25,997
  • I spent a week in that town one night....
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 03:10:08 PM »
AR in .32 Win Special.....
Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants won't help.


Bring me my Broadsword and a clear understanding.
Get up to the roundhouse on the cliff-top standing.
Take women and children and bed them down.
Bless with a hard heart those that stand with me.
Bless the women and children who firm our hands.
Put our backs to the north wind.
Hold fast by the river.
Sweet memories to drive us on,
for the motherland.

AZRedhawk44

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,981
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 03:12:39 PM »
A 9mm carbine that takes XD magazines.

"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."
--Lysander Spooner

I reject your authoritah!

bedlamite

  • Hold my beer and watch this!
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 9,799
  • Ack! PLBTTPHBT!
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 03:18:13 PM »
Phased plasma rifle
A plan is just a list of things that doesn't happen.
Is defenestration possible through the overton window?

Angel Eyes

  • Lying dog-faced pony soldier
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,403
  • You're not diggin'
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 03:20:23 PM »
A loaded infinite-capacity magzine for each of my firearms.  Apparently Hollywood has them all, and they're not sharing.
""If you elect me, your taxes are going to be raised, not cut."
                         - master strategist Joe Biden

brimic

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,270
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2010, 03:29:54 PM »

Quote
My choice....a Thompson SMG in .38Super...with a 60-rd drum magazine....
That would be super cool, but I'll take mine in 10mm.
"now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb" -Dark Helmet

"AK47's belong in the hands of soldiers mexican drug cartels"-
Barack Obama

GigaBuist

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4,345
    • http://www.justinbuist.org/blog/
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 03:51:47 PM »
A Saiga in .45 Colt.

A cheap carbine (Sub2k or Hi-Point) in 7.62x25mm.


lee n. field

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,600
  • tinpot megalomaniac, Paulbot, hardware goon
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 03:58:46 PM »
M1 carbine in 10mm.   [popcorn]

In thy presence is fulness of joy.
At thy right hand pleasures for evermore.

AZRedhawk44

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,981
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 04:04:53 PM »
M1 carbine in 10mm.   [popcorn]



So much epic epicness. [ar15]
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."
--Lysander Spooner

I reject your authoritah!

seeker_two

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,922
  • In short, most intelligence is false.
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 04:10:44 PM »
A Saiga in .45 Colt.

Make mine a .454Casull, and I'm very interested....  :O

A cheap carbine (Sub2k or Hi-Point) in 7.62x25mm.


Another good one....maybe even one on a MP-5-style receiver....  :cool:
Impressed yet befogged, they grasped at his vivid leading phrases, seeing only their surface meaning, and missing the deeper current of his thought.

Angel Eyes

  • Lying dog-faced pony soldier
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,403
  • You're not diggin'
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2010, 04:16:37 PM »
A "tactical" version of the Ruger Deerfield carbine (.44 Magnum), with reliable high capacity[1] magazines.


[1] meaning 30 or more rounds
""If you elect me, your taxes are going to be raised, not cut."
                         - master strategist Joe Biden

Jamisjockey

  • Booze-fueled paragon of pointless cruelty and wanton sadism
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26,580
  • Your mom sends me care packages
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2010, 04:31:18 PM »
Ruger rotary magazine carbine or kel tec sub  in .45acp....
JD

 The price of a lottery ticket seems to be the maximum most folks are willing to risk toward the dream of becoming a one-percenter. “Robert Hollis”

Jocassee

  • Buster Scruggs Respecter
  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4,591
  • "First time?"
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2010, 04:49:34 PM »
1911 in 7.62x25. Next to impossible to find, difficult to manufacture.
I shall not die alone, alone, but kin to all the powers,
As merry as the ancient sun and fighting like the flowers.

roo_ster

  • Kakistocracy--It's What's For Dinner.
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 21,225
  • Hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2010, 04:52:44 PM »
Small-frame 5-shot top-break alloy frame snubbie in 9mm (moon clips) with the cylinder shortened to accommodate the 9mm.
Regards,

roo_ster

“Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.”
----G.K. Chesterton

GigaBuist

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4,345
    • http://www.justinbuist.org/blog/
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2010, 04:59:06 PM »
Make mine a .454Casull, and I'm very interested....  :O

That would be fun, but I didn't just grab .45 Colt out of the blue.  I figure their .410 Saiga shotguns are already built to handle the 13,500psi of the .410 shell.  The .45 Colt is only 14,000psi.  The number of things that would have to change to make it all work could be very minimal.

The .454 Cassull is a 65,000psi cartridge.  But, yeah, it would be more fun.  Kinda the poor man's answer to the .458 SOCOM AR's out there though I do believe .458 SOCOM has a good bit more energy than even .454 Cassull.

AZRedhawk44

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,981
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2010, 05:00:39 PM »
Small-frame 5-shot top-break alloy frame snubbie in 9mm (moon clips) with the cylinder shortened to accommodate the 9mm.

Grande demi-tasse non-fat half-caf extra-hot four-pump eggnog pumpkin spice mocha (with biscotti) with whip cream and nutmeg.

Your revolver sounded like a starbuck's order to me. =D
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."
--Lysander Spooner

I reject your authoritah!

dm1333

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1,875
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2010, 05:17:15 PM »
Quote
M1 carbine in 10mm.   


M1 carbine in .357 magnum.

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,456
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2010, 05:26:31 PM »
I'm still waiting for the Kel-Tec SU-14CA. Like the SU-16CA, but in 7.62x51.
"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

Angel Eyes

  • Lying dog-faced pony soldier
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,403
  • You're not diggin'
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2010, 05:30:37 PM »
I'm still waiting for the Kel-Tec SU-14CA. Like the SU-16CA, but in 7.62x51.

I'll be in a different room the first time it gets test fired.
""If you elect me, your taxes are going to be raised, not cut."
                         - master strategist Joe Biden

French G.

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 10,196
  • ohhh sparkles!
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2010, 05:58:45 PM »
Belt-fed 16ga.
AKA Navy Joe   

I'm so contrarian that I didn't respond to the thread.

AJ Dual

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 16,162
  • Shoe Ballistics Inc.
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2010, 06:06:09 PM »
P90/PS90 in 7.62x25. And also costs what it's worth to mfg. it in parts, labor, and markup. I certainly DON'T expect FN, the distributors, or FFL's to take a loss on the product, but it's in no way a $1500 carbine either. Blowback action, and a plastic shell. There is just not much too them. I guess they're trying to recoup their R&D and tooling costs where possible, since they've never sold a massive number as a PDW to anybody's military.

Kel-Tec RFB actually in stock and sold at MSRP. (getting there... however painfully slowly) Same for the PMR. KT has some sort of production bottleneck problem, and they're not letting it out what it is. They don't make any of their stuff fast enough to satisfy demand, save maybe the P11.

Trijicon optics that cost less than the rifles you're putting them on. (No idea if it's market premium, or it really costs that much to make them...)

Top-break revolver that loads from moon clips, and shoots from the bottom barrel. (The new Italian Chiappa Rhino imported by MKS is halfway there. ) Oh, and make it a 9-shot .327 Fed. Mag. integrated light/laser options right in the frame, and make .327 Fed. popular so price/supply isn't an issue.

Make mine a .454Casull, and I'm very interested....  :O

Another good one....maybe even one on a MP-5-style receiver....  :cool:

IIRC, some people have made .45-70 Saiga's out of the .410 shotgun model. Does the OAL of .410 vs. .45-70 make that impossible? (Maybe Tromix converted one to .444 Marlin or something... I can't remember)

I have a Kel-Tec Sub9, the metal predecessor to the Sub2000, and I too would love that in 7.62x25. The MP-5/HK-94 clone in 7.62x25 would also be sweeeeeet...

They do sell some Wiselite Sterlings in 7.62x25 BTW... And it's probably pushing 700 ft/lbs out of a 16" barrel.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/sterling-carbine,-7-62x25mm-by-wiselite-backordered-/products_id/4318

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/sterling-pistol,-7-62x25-cal,-the-colefire-magnum-by-wiselite-/products_id/3940

« Last Edit: December 20, 2010, 06:13:32 PM by AJ Dual »
I promise not to duck.

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,456
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2010, 06:12:38 PM »
I'll be in a different room the first time it gets test fired.

OK, then like the SU-16, but in 7.62 and built to handle it.  =)
"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

Tallpine

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 23,172
  • Grumpy Old Grandpa
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2010, 06:13:01 PM »
Sharps 30-06  :lol:
Freedom is a heavy load, a great and strange burden for the spirit to undertake. It is not easy. It is not a gift given, but a choice made, and the choice may be a hard one. The road goes upward toward the light; but the laden traveller may never reach the end of it.  - Ursula Le Guin

freakazoid

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6,243
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2010, 06:13:46 PM »
Quote
M1 carbine in .357 magnum.

M1 carbine in 20mm.  >:D
"so I ended up getting the above because I didn't want to make a whole production of sticking something between my knees and cranking. To me, the cranking on mine is pretty effortless, at least on the coarse setting. Maybe if someone has arthritis or something, it would be more difficult for them." - Ben

"I see a rager at least once a week." - brimic

Monkeyleg

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,589
  • Tattaglia is a pimp.
    • http://www.gunshopfinder.com
Re: The Guns That Never Were....
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2010, 06:17:54 PM »
Over on Twitter, one of the gangstahs mentioned a sniper rifle with a 90 round magazine. That sounds pretty good. I'd only have to load the magazine about every four range sessions. It would be heavy, but I shoot off a rest.

I'd bet the military would be interested, too. Most of their snipers would only have to load the magazine once in all their deployments combined.