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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 08, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
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is it between paul and perry? i gotta admit perry going over to pauls lectern rubs me the wrong way
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/8/perry-vs-paul-texas-sized-war/
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Better pictures here
http://www.freedom-won.net/rick-perry-threatens-ron-paul-during-gop-debate-commercial/#more-1685
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huh thats even worse\
i think perry was stung cause paul was right
and i really gotta question his "bypass the legislature" policy
so mitt and rick are out who's next? paul is looking better to me each day
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i wish paul , or someone else for that matter, had popped perry in the chops.
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huh thats even worse\
i think perry was stung cause paul was right
and i really gotta question his "bypass the legislature" policy
so mitt and rick are out who's next? paul is looking better to me each day
True story.
I have talked to more than a few people who like RP (almost always with exception to his foreign policy--but that is truly the man's only weak point). The standard line of thought: "Yeah he was right about the Crash, and the economy, and the Fed, but nobody will vote for him because he sounds like a crazy old man."
I've literally heard iterations of that a hundred times. People think they are the only ones in the crowd who are secret Paul fans when in reality, the Media has kept such a tight lid on him that those who think "huh, he has some good points" don't say anything because they think their buddies would make fun of them.
Screw 'em. Ron Paul, crazy or not, is the only one who has a handle on how this mess started and how to fix it.
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huh thats even worse\
i think perry was stung cause paul was right
and i really gotta question his "bypass the legislature" policy
so mitt and rick are out who's next? paul is looking better to me each day
What was the issue they were discussing?
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when perry crossed over during the commercial?
i think it was perry's hurt feelings
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We already had a debate thread. For people who waste their time with that sort of thing.
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Perry was introduced at my alma mater as "a good old boy who knows the good old boy system." This was a high compliment.
Perry's working hard to play the libertarian card - look at how Paul's numbers dropped once Perry said he was running. Perry's now trashing the Federal Reserve. Paul is his biggest enemy, since Paul also appeals strongly to the libertarian contingent. The liberal wing of the Republican party goes to Mitt, with lesser numbers going to Huntsman. Perry's got to get the more conservative wing. And with Bachmann taking the religious right element and Paul taking the libertarians, Perry might very well be screwed.
Besides that, he's probably mad at being called a Texas cheerleader in Paul's latest ad. :laugh:
i wish paul , or someone else for that matter, had popped perry in the chops.
:lol:
That would've been great television.
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Perry's working hard to play the libertarian card - look at how Paul's numbers dropped once Perry said he was running. Perry's now trashing the Federal Reserve. Paul is his biggest enemy, since Paul also appeals strongly to the libertarian contingent. The liberal wing of the Republican party goes to Mitt, with lesser numbers going to Huntsman. Perry's got to get the more conservative wing. And with Bachmann taking the religious right element and Paul taking the libertarians, Perry might very well be screwed
Does it not seem like every election cycle is simply just political theatre to nominate a predetermined candidate?
I don't see how mitt doesn't get the nomination- the media will always be biased towards the weakest repub candidate.
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Am I the only one who thinks that it is a good thing for these folks to make a fight of it? I think that whoever emerges from the scrap will be better for it. "Steel sharpens steel" and all that.
I am glad Paul is nipping at Perry's right flank. I also liked born-again-hard on immigration Mitt getting after Perry's squishy illegal alien/border policy. If Mitt & Paul can toughen up Perry, all the better if he gets the nomination.
Paul is no great threat to Perry, though. Best he could do is either take a point or two or force Perry to tack right a bit.
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I also liked born-again-hard on
Thats what she said.
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Thats what she said.
Don't hyphenventilate over a play on words.
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Does it not seem like every election cycle is simply just political theatre to nominate a predetermined candidate?
I don't see how mitt doesn't get the nomination- the media will always be biased towards the weakest repub candidate.
I wouldn't be surprised at a Romney/Huntsman ticket from the stupid party.
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Remember Perry snubbed/insulted Paul in the previous primary. Remember "no Texans running for President"?
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Better pictures here
http://www.freedom-won.net/rick-perry-threatens-ron-paul-during-gop-debate-commercial/#more-1685
Was feeling bored, so I took the current poll data from the MSNBC website (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/07/7658608-who-do-you-think-won-the-republican-debate-at-the-reagan-library) and properly proportioned all the bars on the graph relative to each other. Looks a lot different now for some reason. ;/
Before:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg703.imageshack.us%2Fimg703%2F4737%2Funproportioned.jpg&hash=b7be2100445ae4a50091e1e62c34ee222077cb32)
After:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg163.imageshack.us%2Fimg163%2F6894%2Fproportioned.jpg&hash=cdab3d8717f7aff6f29daaa80df3ca52ca49e993)
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Was feeling bored, so I took the current poll data from the MSNBC website (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/07/7658608-who-do-you-think-won-the-republican-debate-at-the-reagan-library) and properly proportioned all the bars on the graph relative to each other. Looks a lot different now for some reason. ;/
Before:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg703.imageshack.us%2Fimg703%2F4737%2Funproportioned.jpg&hash=b7be2100445ae4a50091e1e62c34ee222077cb32)
After:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg163.imageshack.us%2Fimg163%2F6894%2Fproportioned.jpg&hash=cdab3d8717f7aff6f29daaa80df3ca52ca49e993)
It bothers me that the Paulites continue to throw polls, intentionally.
At least that's what I think they're doing... ;/
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It bothers me that the Paulites continue to throw polls, intentionally.
At least that's what I think they're doing...
Maybe Paul won't get ignored by the media then?
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It bothers me that the Paulites continue to throw polls, intentionally.
At least that's what I think they're doing... ;/
Do you have proof the poll has been thrown? Even moving my laptop to a different IP address (ie. from home to work) didn't allow me to vote a second time.
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Do you have proof the poll has been thrown? Even moving my laptop to a different IP address (ie. from home to work) didn't allow me to vote a second time.
Clean out cookies.
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It bothers me that the Paulites continue to throw polls, intentionally.
At least that's what I think they're doing... ;/
More likely that he is simply more popular than you expect.
Also, when the pollster engages in blatant misrepresentation like that, the word of the poll spreads faster among Paul supporters than other supporters.
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More likely that he is simply more popular than you expect.
Also, when the pollster engages in blatant misrepresentation like that, the word of the poll spreads faster among Paul supporters than other supporters.
Is it blatant misrepresentation, or is it making things fit on a web page? It still shows Paul with a huge lead, so what's the problem?
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Clean out cookies.
Tried that as well, still didn't allow me to vote more than once.
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Tried that as well, still didn't allow me to vote more than once.
I don't think they're voting twice. I think an e-mail goes out the night before to the Ron Paul list that says "make sure to vote for Ron tomorrow after the debate! Even if he loses miserably! (which he didn't). And because there are so many die-hard Paulites out there they show up and vote in greater numbers than Perry or Romney fans.
It's not that they're THROWING the poll, per se, it's just that they are organizing to a degree that makes the results invalid.
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I don't think they're voting twice. I think an e-mail goes out the night before to the Ron Paul list that says "make sure to vote for Ron tomorrow after the debate! Even if he loses miserably! (which he didn't). And because there are so many die-hard Paulites out there they show up and vote in greater numbers than Perry or Romney fans.
It's not that they're THROWING the poll, per se, it's just that they are organizing to a degree that makes the results invalid.
Not like it's Paul's fault the other candidates' supporters can't be bothered to get off their freakin' couches and vote for them...
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Is it blatant misrepresentation, or is it making things fit on a web page? It still shows Paul with a huge lead, so what's the problem?
The lead it shows is not huge enough to be accurate. Especially early on in the poll:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqnbYB.png&hash=a83587f54c27588f05d6c6fb2a7f402e2c218f72)
I suppose you could plead incompetence on the part of the web developer, but they would have to be pretty damn incompetent to screw it up this badly.
Also, even if it was a mistake, why hasn't it been corrected?
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It's not that they're THROWING the poll, per se, it's just that they are organizing to a degree that makes the results invalid.
You mean like gun nuts do with gun-related polls? No, I've *never* seen the same poll linked on every gun forum and blog before...
Chris
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Not like it's Paul's fault the other candidates' supporters can't be bothered to get off their freakin' couches and vote for them...
To vote on some internet poll? Why should they? Not that it necessarily requires getting up from one's seat, of course.
If the disparity is that big in actual primary voting, which actually matters, then you can go ahead and insult the other guys.
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You mean like gun nuts do with gun-related polls? No, I've *never* seen the same poll linked on every gun forum and blog before...
Chris
It's exactly the same.
It's not that it's wrong, it just annoys me for some reason when polls don't reflect the reality that everyone know is true.
On a USA today poll, everyone knows that 99% of the population believes that *insert 2A issue of the month*. Sure it gives gun owners a warm fuzzy feeling. "Yeah, we really kicked ass in the poll." That's stupid.
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The lead it shows is not huge enough to be accurate. Especially early on in the poll:
Jocassee and I are talking about the graphic he put in his post. We agree that it's not accurate. I suggested that it may have been done for an innocent and practical reason, and that it still shows Paul with a massive lead. If they were attempting to mislead, they didn't gain much by it, so it just doesn't seem all that likely.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqnbYB.png&hash=a83587f54c27588f05d6c6fb2a7f402e2c218f72)
I suppose you could plead incompetence on the part of the web developer, but they would have to be pretty damn incompetent to screw it up this badly.
Also, even if it was a mistake, why hasn't it been corrected?
Now you're talking about a different graphic, which I hadn't seen before. I guess I could assume an impure motive on your part, but I'll hold off on that.
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Ron Paul: "In your heart you know he's right."
If we didn't live in a telegenic time he'd be leading the pack. He's even mostly right on the things that make people most uncomfortable.
R.P.'s candidacy is about one thing, telling us The System can't save us. No wonder the Establishment hates his guts.
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Ron Paul: "In your heart you know he's right."
If we didn't live in a telegenic time he'd be leading the pack. He's even mostly right on the things that make people most uncomfortable.
R.P.'s candidacy is about one thing, telling us The System can't save us. No wonder the Establishment hates his guts.
He's not leading the pack?
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He's not leading the pack?
Is he?
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Is he?
Depends on who you ask, I guess.
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Is he?
Right? I saw this poll graph somewhere that showed he and Romney were dead even
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Right? I saw this poll graph somewhere that showed he and Romney were dead even
OK. I was wondering about, ya know, rigorously-conducted polls done by professional polling organizations.
Here's some:
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/presidential-polls/
Ron Paul doesn't do so well there. Maybe there's some other real-world polls where he does better. So if he's at the top of the heap, let's see it.
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Ron Paul does well in the "self-selected" online polls. Not so much in the "near-random selection" polls.
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http://www.politico.com/2012-election/presidential-polls/iowa/iowa-gop-caucus/
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Ron Paul does well in the "self-selected" online polls. Not so much in the "near-random selection" polls.
....as if those polls are "near-random".... ;/
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Either the polls re Ron Paul's popularity are not accurate, or his supporters don't/can't vote in primaries. At least based on past primary performance, said the man who voted RP in the last primary.
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Or more likely : online polls don't gauge popularity as much as they gauge how committed/well-organized the candidate's supporters are.
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It means that Paul supporters, even if they do vote in the primaries, are outnumbered by other voters who didn't vote on the internets. Probably, other campaigns are not placing much significance on internet polls.
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Or more likely : online polls don't gauge popularity as much as they gauge how committed/well-organized the candidate's supporters are.
....on the internet. (I think this last phrase was cut off your post)
If they were that organized and smart politically, they might actually accomplish something. My only experience with them locally in his home county in Texas is that they are loud and have no idea how to win support and gain influence in the local party structure.
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They did accomplish quite a few things. Not enough, sure, but they did get a few Congressmen and a Senator elected.
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They did accomplish quite a few things. Not enough, sure, but they did get a few Congressmen and a Senator elected.
Are you talking about the tea party stuff or Ron Paul supporters?
One of the complaints I heard from a local radio guy was that some of these candidates had very poor national and state by state organizations to support their candidacy. A lot of people talked about Herman Cain a few months back and he pointed out that Cain had no organization and really wasn't campaigning much.
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My biggest complaint right now is just all the Perry bashing. He is the front runner so everyone has to bash him over every little thing he has done. I'm surprised he hasn't caught more flack for carrying a .380 auto instead of a 1911 while jogging. IMO, I think he is a much more conservative candidate than Romney and likely many of the others. I guess I already knew about the stuff people are complaining about and it bothers me very little. I figure all the other candidates have their imperfections if I cared to look. What I really don't want is some Republican who is known for working with liberal democrats and getting along. My impression is that Romney fits that mold. I guess if Romney was ahead, all we would here is about him being a RINO and who knows what else.
Also, did someone above actually say that Romney was tough on immigration or was that just sarcasm?