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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: gunsmith on July 30, 2011, 10:58:35 PM
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http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/31/dtg_poachersbusted_2011_08_06_bk.html
some of the comments are awesome, great fun telling NYers its their fearless leaders fault.
to be honest this has been going on a long time, I remember a bonkers homeless guy grilling pigeons and eating them
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I always thought hardcore survival in NYC required a mullet, eye-patch, MAC-11 with silencer and ridiculous deer-rifle scope, and a native guide who looks suspiciously like Ernest Borgnine.
But hey, what do I know. ???
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I understand wildlife laws but it seems here we have a conflict of needs between people who need to watch cute furry and feathery animals in a pristine? ;/ setting vs. the audacious need of someone to eat. If you're eating pigeons you're just not the guy poaching trophy bucks, there is a need, and a pretty desperate one.
Arrest them all, put them up in a halfway house, give them community service jobs cleaning the park that include 3 hots and a cot until the weather warms up next spring or they can prove a means to support themselves.
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wasn't this how robin hood got his start?
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Wrapping a small treble hook in peanut butter and peanuts and casting it out with a short steel leader works WONDERS on squirrels...
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these homeless are nearly feral ... some of them are.
there are no bathrooms/kitchens for them to use, no way to store food safely - no way for them to get any job, they are so badly scarred from psychosis they couldn't put pegs in holes. Who is going to hire a disheveled stinky mumbling fool? Well besides the ones in office that liberals voted for :lol:
really, these folks need to be captured, hosed down, and scrubbed. locked up and forced to take anti psychotics, taught how to shower and wipe their butt & be managed.
These are the people that used to be in asylums due to being incapable of living on their own. ... they cant get to a soup kitchen, cant figure out how to get on food stamps, can barely even talk. They're feral smelly insane reavers...
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these homeless are nearly feral ... some of them are.
there are no bathrooms/kitchens for them to use, no way to store food safely - no way for them to get any job, they are so badly scarred from psychosis they couldn't put pegs in holes. Who is going to hire a disheveled stinky mumbling fool? Well besides the ones in office that liberals voted for :lol:
really, these folks need to be captured, hosed down, and scrubbed. locked up and forced to take anti psychotics, taught how to shower and wipe their butt & be managed.
These are the people that used to be in asylums due to being incapable of living on their own. ... they cant get to a soup kitchen, cant figure out how to get on food stamps, can barely even talk. They're feral smelly insane reavers...
You pay for it, I won't.
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You pay for it, I won't.
Keeping smelly insane reavers locked away... I will!
[tinfoil]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcAvVRcJ35g
And here is a song about them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvZBMLzDMA0&feature=related
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1. The guys in the photos don't look homeless to me - they have clean clothing and are shaven.
2. Pigeons are actually considered a reasonable meal in many cultures and were up until recently raised for food in Eastern Europe.
3. "The new poaching busts bring to mind last year’s wave of animal murders by the so-called “Butcher of Prospect Park,” whose death toll included waterfowl, chickens, turtles and a goat."
ANIMAL MURDERS? SERIOUSLY PEOPLE?
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Hey, Meat Is Murder! And grilled murder never tasted so good.
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Many moons ago I had one of my sons throw rocks into the hayloft when I hollered "PULL!" Great fun shooting the pigeons (12 gauge Mossberg pump), but not much to eat there per pigeon.
Fast 'n fancy shooting. I got about ten-twelve, some as they were flying back into the barn. Just enough for a repast between the four in the family, not a real full meal for we carnivores, and no leftovers.
But hey, protein is protein.
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Here's a winner of a comment. "Anyone who feels they have to eat wildlife has an agenda. They should be in prison or in a mental hospital." [barf]
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Here's a winner of a comment. "Anyone who feels they have to eat wildlife has an agenda. They should be in prison or in a mental hospital."
AGENDA:
1. Load up car, check have shells, wildlife decoys.
2. Go where wildlife is, set decoys, settle in blind, wait, use call.
3. Despatch wildlife.
4. Take wildlife from retriever, pat retriever on head, squeegee some of the water off the dog with hands, watch dog's tail wag enthusiastically, duck when dog shakes off remaining water.
5. Dry sprayed water off shotgun.
6. Repeat 3-5 until bag limit reached, pack up, go home.
7. Clean wildlife.
8. Cook wildlife.
9. Eat wildlife, feed some to dog.
10. Burp, loosen belt, sit, look at fireplace with dog --who has the same agenda.
11. Discuss next weekend's agenda with dog, watch tail wag.
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Who is going to hire a disheveled stinky mumbling fool?
Clearly, you've never been inside a tech support call center.
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Clearly, you've never been inside a tech support call center.
Or a military unit.
Or any government office, for that matter
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You pay for it, I won't.
You already pay for it in terms of law enforcement, criminality, repairs to damaged infrastructure, quality of life issues (or maybe you like having homeless people and their filth around).
Chris
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You already pay for it in terms of law enforcement, criminality, repairs to damaged infrastructure, quality of life issues (or maybe you like having homeless people and their filth around).
Chris
Are you implying those expenses will disappear when you round up a batch of em and put them away?
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I'm not implying anything, just pointing out the fallacy of the statement "You pay for it, I won't.". He's already paying for it.
And those expenses should go down as the number of individuals responsible decrease. Being govt, there's no guarantee.
Chris
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I'm not implying anything, just pointing out the fallacy of the statement "You pay for it, I won't.". He's already paying for it.
And those expenses should go down as the number of individuals responsible decrease. Being govt, there's no guarantee.
Chris
I would wager that the proven efficiency of government means that the LESS problems we have, the MORE expensive they are
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You already pay for it in terms of law enforcement, criminality, repairs to damaged infrastructure, quality of life issues (or maybe you like having homeless people and their filth around).
Chris
Then I will pay for having people arrested when and if they commit a crime, not for creating excuses for you to arrest them pre-emptively
Nor has the existence of homeless people in Greater Tel-Aviv ever impacted my quality of life adversely - not that there is such a thing as a right to have a government guarantee you a 'quality of life' or a certain market value to your house.
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Then I will pay for having people arrested when and if they commit a crime, not for creating excuses for you to arrest them pre-emptively
Nor has the existence of homeless people in Greater Tel-Aviv ever impacted my quality of life adversely - not that there is such a thing as a right to have a government guarantee you a 'quality of life' or a certain market value to your house.
Who said anything about arresting people pre-emptively? Some of these people have legitimate mental health issues that aren't being addressed by living on the street. One of the reasons we had such an explosion of homeless people in the latter half of the 20th century was because so many were suddenly turned out from mental institutions without any place to go or any support structures to ensure they didn't become homeless.
Also, maybe homeless people are better behaved in Israel, but they are a frequent source of crime and destruction in the US, especially in larger cities. I'm not talking about killing a few ducks, but breaking into homes, squatting in your property (including defecating on said property), harassing folks (especially those that don't give them handouts), and otherwise being a menace.
Chris
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There is a legal process to put people who are mentally ill into institutions against their will. If you cannot prove a person is a threat to themselves or others they shouldn't be deprived of their liberty.
, but breaking into homes, squatting in your property (including defecating on said property),
This is already illegal in every society.
harassing folks (especially those that don't give them handouts), and otherwise being a menace.
So what you're suggesting is what, exactly? Arresting people because they might harass someone?
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Where exactly did I suggest arresting anyone? Quote it or stfu.
Chris
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Are you not in support of gunsmith's statement that they need to be 'captured'?
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no. I'm commenting on the fact that the problems began after they were ejected en masse because it was cheaper (on paper) than actually dealing with their mental issues in a controlled environment. Just because nobody is paying for their mental care doesn't mean we escape paying for the fallout from their issues. We just pay in a different manner.
Whether or not we should commit and treat these individuals is a different matter.
Chris
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no. I'm commenting on the fact that the problems began after they were ejected en masse because it was cheaper (on paper) than actually dealing with their mental issues in a controlled environment.
There are also great moral issues with just committing them.
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You assume they were committed originally without any process.
Chris
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You assume they were committed originally without any process.
Chris
No, I know that a process existed. I also know that political reform in the forcible-commitment system was based by its proponents not only - and not mainly - on fiscal issues but also on moral considerations. To say that only fiscal considerations were involved is not historically accurate.
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You already pay for it in terms of law enforcement, criminality, repairs to damaged infrastructure, quality of life issues (or maybe you like having homeless people and their filth around).
Chris
You're right, I do pay for that now, but I was specifically addressing Gunsmith's suggestion of really, these folks need to be captured, hosed down, and scrubbed. locked up and forced to take anti psychotics, taught how to shower and wipe their butt & be managed
, which would certainly involve an increase in expense, since committing people against their will is an expensive process.
But why lock "them" up anyway, if they aren't causing harm to others? Being insane and homeless isn't reason enough, in my opinion.
Who said anything about arresting people pre-emptively? Some of these people have legitimate mental health issues that aren't being addressed by living on the street.
Chris
So, some of them need professional help? And if they don't seek that help, then what?
Quote it or stfu
Chris
That is out of line for any member here at Armed Polite Society. It is especially out of line coming from an Administrator.
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Well, I'm essentially homeless.
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Well, I'm essentially homeless.
Sure, but are you contributing to the tragedy of the commons?
Public lands aren't meant for private exploitation.
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There is a legal process to put people who are mentally ill into institutions against their will.
in NYC & San Francisco we have completely feral nuts wandering around covered in their own feces. They are absolutely a menace to themselves and others.
Look at that Jared Loughner case, every body knew it was just a matter of time.
I had to risk arrest to stop a guy like that, he was threatening a girl I know - he was sure that cats have digital cameras in their eyes & that the pope was commanding him to slit her throat because ( he imagined ) she was in porn movies.
After I bonked him I almost got arrested except he started demanding that the cops let him into peoples apartments due to his papal passport, the cops knew he was nuts but didn't bring him to a hospital.
In NYC a few yrs ago a woman spent 5 yrs living on crap taken from a nearby garbage can & whatever people gave her, she was raped multiple times.
She spent her days imaging she was directing traffic, somehow someone intervened and she was hospitalized against her will, when she realized ( after medication )
what happened she was interviewed and wondered why no one ever helped her.
back in the early 80's they closed down a lot of mental hospitals & sent those poor unfortunates into the streets. It is cruel that they are dying in the street but there is no way to help them. they are ignored until they commit a crime then get incarcerated.
In NYC they often live on a subway platform, stinking so bad no one can stand near them, then one day they push someone in front of a train and kill them...then they get noticed.
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Well, I'm essentially homeless.
I was homeless recently, I still live in quite unusual conditions ( basically camping ) that resemble poverty except that I'm in the wilderness and like it.
08/09 I became homeless while working as a messenger in SF, often I would spend the night in a car but not every night. I had my stuff in a storage locker and would wear a set of clothes and wash the other set every day, I would bathe/shave in my work restroom, I also learned how to sneak into a hostel by looking like a traveler and use their showers/kitchen. The only way to get paid "help" was to quit my job and go stay at an official homeless shelter ... I wasn't about to give up my last gun in order to stay with a bunch of thugs that thrive on crack/crime & it didn't make any sense to quit my job ... before the on set of the welfare state when people were down and out they were allowed to camp while they got themselves back on their feet, I wish they still could
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he was sure that cats have digital cameras in their eyes & that the pope was commanding him to slit her throat because ( he imagined ) she was in porn movies.
So there ARE ideas crazier than voting for Obama. :O
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So there ARE ideas crazier than voting for Obama. :O
He claimed that he voted for Barry :facepalm: