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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2014, 01:24:49 AM »
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2014, 02:40:50 AM »
Assuming the law in AR is the same as CSD said in VA, and Charby said in IA, then it sounds like the hunters were 100% within the law, and not illegally trespassing.  Especially once the dogs were leashed and the hunters trying to leave he should have let them go.  Shooting the dog was rightly judged criminal, and I agree that 6 months in the pokey and $145k is getting off easy. 

That guy sounds like my neighbor.
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2014, 04:29:34 AM »
We used to pen up the deer hounds, give them a snack and wait for the owners to come explain themselves. We don't shoot dogs, just another animal following a learned behavior with no capacity for decisions of right/wrong. Now the guys that drove down 1/2 mile of private road knew right from wrong and they had the worst mechanical luck with their trucks.
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2014, 10:17:32 AM »
We used to pen up the deer hounds, give them a snack and wait for the owners to come explain themselves. We don't shoot dogs, just another animal following a learned behavior with no capacity for decisions of right/wrong. Now the guys that drove down 1/2 mile of private road knew right from wrong and they had the worst mechanical luck with their trucks.

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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2014, 10:26:56 AM »
The landowner just really wanted to shoot the dogs.

If he'd shot them before the hunters got there, he probably could have gotten away with it.  He wanted to shoot them in front of the owners.

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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2014, 10:38:19 AM »
If he'd shot them before the hunters got there, he probably could have gotten away with it.  He wanted to shoot them in front of the owners.

Ordering the hunters at gunpoint to step away from their dogs so he could shoot them raises it to armed robbery IMO  :mad:
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2014, 12:36:24 PM »
I was thinking he probably could have gotten a trespassing complaint on them, but once he shot the leashed dog, it all falls on his head.  That is just wrong.  I agree he could have shot the dogs before they got there, but even then, it sounds like they weren't threatening him. 

That said, an uncle used to be a ranch manager for a rich guy on 800 acres near where I grew up.  It was mostly light woods with some pasture.  He said if they have seen packs of dogs (as many as 15 or 20) running through that land at night, some wearing tags, some not.  He said they shot as many of them as they could before they ran off.  They would generally take off at the sight of people.  Hunting dogs like this especially when the owners are right there is a whole different story.
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2014, 01:59:33 PM »
I know ranchers in MT that have a zero tolerance for stray dogs: shoot on sight.

Makes sense when your livelihood is at stake.  One calf might be one percent of your annual gross revenue, but if your profit is only five or ten percent then one calf is a lot.
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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2014, 05:21:08 PM »
In va shooting dogs harassing livestock is kosher. As it should be

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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2014, 05:38:52 PM »
Yep, but unless they do things differently there and a raccoon is considered livestock :)

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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2014, 05:39:04 PM »
I know ranchers in MT that have a zero tolerance for stray dogs: shoot on sight.

Makes sense when your livelihood is at stake.  One calf might be one percent of your annual gross revenue, but if your profit is only five or ten percent then one calf is a lot.

And I completely agree with that. I'm still struggling to comprehend shooting a dog, where the owner is holding the leash. Just crazy...
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2014, 05:46:16 PM »
And I completely agree with that. I'm still struggling to comprehend shooting a dog, where the owner is holding the leash. Just crazy...

Same here.  I've already said that what this person did constitutes armed robbery.
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2014, 06:19:21 PM »
Same here.  I've already said that what this person did constitutes armed robbery.

Agreed, and considering the worth of some of those hunting dogs...
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2014, 10:29:06 AM »
Got no problem with folks shooting strays in rural settings on GP.  Or obviously owned/collared dogs that are posing a danger to person/livestock/property.

But shooting a leased dog under control of its owner is asinine.  WTF, over?  Also, owner--who looks like he gave zero indication of threat and did his best to comply with laws-- was downrange of the firearm as it discharged and dispatched the dog.  But, lack of gun safety seems to be Nutball's least offense.
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2014, 10:37:08 AM »
But shooting a leased dog under control of its owner is asinine.

What about dogs that are under a financing contract?  :P

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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2014, 05:53:18 PM »
What about dogs that are under a financing contract?  :P

Well, I guess you gotta insure and take care of them just like leased autos until the lease is up. 
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2014, 01:43:18 AM »
Hmmm... wonder if Chris could give us a complete list of possible criminal charges here

I count at least reckless endangerment, assault w/deadly weapon, possible attempted murder (if you REALLY want to get hardcore)
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Re: $145,000 verdict for shot hunting dog
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2014, 11:04:09 AM »
Hmmm... wonder if Chris could give us a complete list of possible criminal charges here

I count at least reckless endangerment, assault w/deadly weapon, possible attempted murder (if you REALLY want to get hardcore)

We are forgetting .....   :facepalm:


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