The Trump Arrest Thread!

[Ben]

Any thoughts?

I must be out of the loop or something. I'm still amazed that Trump is wiping the floor with the other candidates in polls by a ridiculous amount. I thought DeSantis for sure would be ahead, or at least close.

As I've said before, sadly, Trump has had his day, and if he is elected again, his administration will be mired in deep state dirty tricks and impeachments every other Tuesday. I just don't see a second Trump presidency being a win for our side. That said, I'll still vote for him over Biden, or pretty much any of the dem candidates currently speculated to run.

[bedlamite]

How Will Donald Trump's New Indictment(s) Impact the Election? || Peter Zeihan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJY6C-IAS0

I saw this video.  Two things he said that I hadn't heard others talk about. 

1.  He said Trump was sharing the classified material that he had with other people.  I don't think I had heard that mentioned. 
2.  He thinks Trump will win the nomination, but independent swing voters will be scared of Trump and vote for Biden. 

Any thoughts?

Don't believe everything he says. He drank the blue kool-aid and got TDS from it.

[WLJ]

I must be out of the loop or something. I'm still amazed that Trump is wiping the floor with the other candidates in polls by a ridiculous amount. I thought DeSantis for sure would be ahead, or at least close.

Could be that's what they want people to think hoping to discourage DeSantis supporters

[Northwoods]

Don't believe everything he says. He drank the blue kool-aid and got TDS from it.

On domestic politics, you’re very correct.  On global issues and demographics I think he’s still a good guy to listen to.

[MechAg94]

I must be out of the loop or something. I'm still amazed that Trump is wiping the floor with the other candidates in polls by a ridiculous amount. I thought DeSantis for sure would be ahead, or at least close.

As I've said before, sadly, Trump has had his day, and if he is elected again, his administration will be mired in deep state dirty tricks and impeachments every other Tuesday. I just don't see a second Trump presidency being a win for our side. That said, I'll still vote for him over Biden, or pretty much any of the dem candidates currently speculated to run.

I have heard that while DeSantis is very popular in Florida and known for the Disney stuff there, he is less well known than Trump.  Also, I think he appeals to some of the same base that is already supporting Trump. 

IMO, DeSantis would do himself a favor by never mentioning Trump.  Run against Biden and be the nicer clone of Trump without butting heads with Trump directly or even indirectly.  Trump does well when he is counter-punching, but often makes mistakes when attacking himself. 

[MechAg94]

On domestic politics, you’re very correct.  On global issues and demographics I think he’s still a good guy to listen to.

Thanks for the feedback on that.  I only found him over the last month.  Seemed to be knowledgeable about the international stuff.  I guess I need to find other sources as well. 

I have also had a couple interesting geography videos pop up as well.  Mainly using geography to explain why many countries are the way they are.  Made a lot of sense and not something I had ever heard talked about. 

[Northwoods]

Thanks for the feedback on that.  I only found him over the last month.  Seemed to be knowledgeable about the international stuff.  I guess I need to find other sources as well. 

I have also had a couple interesting geography videos pop up as well.  Mainly using geography to explain why many countries are the way they are.  Made a lot of sense and not something I had ever heard talked about. 

Geography and demography are major factors in the fortunes (or lack thereof) in many countries.  Culture too.  Places that started out as British colonies have done substantially better than Spanish and Portuguese colonies because of the culture and degree of rule of law they brought.

[Hawkmoon]

I saw this video.  Two things he said that I hadn't heard others talk about. 

1.  He said Trump was sharing the classified material that he had with other people.  I don't think I had heard that mentioned. 

I have not heard or seen ANY reports -- not even from un-credible sources -- that claim Trump "shared" classified material with anyone. That's "shared" as in letting unvetted people handle the documents and actually read what they said. The reports I have seen seem to be limited to Trump waving a classified folder around a couple of times to impress people with the fact that HE had classified info, but there has been nothing as yet to suggest that he actually allowed anyone to have access to the documents.

(Other than leaving them in boxes strewn around Mar-a-Lago, that is.)

He did apparently talk about Milley's plan to invade somewhere, but I believe that was verbal, not allowing access to documents.

[MechAg94]

Why 82% of Mexico is Empty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzgMePQvSdc

I think this was the one I saw about Mexico.  I knew a little of Mexico's geography (in macro), but never considered how it impacted them compared to the US economically.

This one is about Mongolia.  Not sure it is worth much time, but explains a little about what China has around them and why don't have the nearby trade partners bordering them. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtTvgG-bKOo

That channel has a lot of odd ball topics like this.  I saw one the other day looking at the geography of Europe, but I don't know who did that one. 

[gunsmith]

 We are all outliers here, no one is paying attention to this at all.
I work with about one hundred welders/fabricators/machinist and assorted blue collar types and management/ engineers  white collars.
No one is even aware of what's going on with Trump. At the same time Trump is wildly popular.
 I am optimistic Trump is going to win.

[charby]

I have not heard or seen ANY reports -- not even from un-credible sources -- that claim Trump "shared" classified material with anyone. That's "shared" as in letting unvetted people handle the documents and actually read what they said. The reports I have seen seem to be limited to Trump waving a classified folder around a couple of times to impress people with the fact that HE had classified info, but there has been nothing as yet to suggest that he actually allowed anyone to have access to the documents.

(Other than leaving them in boxes strewn around Mar-a-Lago, that is.)

He did apparently talk about Milley's plan to invade somewhere, but I believe that was verbal, not allowing access to documents.

Wiki page as a bunch of news articles referenced on where info was shared. I haven't read it, just saw the bibliography.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information

[JTHunter]

There is one thing about Trump running again that has me concerned.  If he were to win the upcoming election, there are two problems he is going to face and they will be a problem.
1 - If he wins, he is automatically a "lame duck" president as he can't ever run again.
2 - Being a lame duck, the Left will throw everything at him, regardless of legality, and make his life a living hell.

We need to elect a president that may be able to be re-elected in 2028 in the hopes that we can get 8 years of a reasonably conservative administration.  If we can get those 8 years, the chances that the Left will try to "pack the SC" will be lessened as they will have trouble trying to get the jurists they want onto the SC.

Something to think about.

[griz]

I have not heard or seen ANY reports -- not even from un-credible sources -- that claim Trump "shared" classified material with anyone. That's "shared" as in letting unvetted people handle the documents and actually read what they said. The reports I have seen seem to be limited to Trump waving a classified folder around a couple of times to impress people with the fact that HE had classified info, but there has been nothing as yet to suggest that he actually allowed anyone to have access to the documents.

(Other than leaving them in boxes strewn around Mar-a-Lago, that is.)

He did apparently talk about Milley's plan to invade somewhere, but I believe that was verbal, not allowing access to documents.

In that Wiki article charby posted it mentions one specific shared document, and that was a high res satellite photo he had posted that showed damage to an Iranian launch site.  There are other things, such as mentioning facts about the London bombing that hindered the investigation.

I don't know if the charges are for those examples or other stuff.  I'm surprised the indictment was so soon, so maybe I'm wrong about them not actually going after him.  We'll see.  I do know that presidents (and congressmen) have gone public before with classified material to make a point internationally.  I don't know if they're claiming this is different for some reason, maybe because he has orange hair.

[bedlamite]

2 - Being a lame duck, the Left will throw everything at him, regardless of legality, and make his life a living hell.

We are at the point that they will do that to everyone that doesn't have a D after their name.

[Northwoods]

Yeah, the lame duck part is a non-issue. 

I’d rather have someone electable, but I’ll vote for Trump if he’s the nominee.  I’ll probably vote either DeSantis or Ramaswami in the primary.

[zxcvbob]

I need to figure out who I'm going to support in the primary.  I really don't want Trump to be the nominee; he's probably the only R who could lose to Biden.

[bedlamite]

I need to figure out who I'm going to support in the primary.  I really don't want Trump to be the nominee; he's probably the only R who could lose to Biden.

You underestimate the "fortification"

[RocketMan]

I need to figure out who I'm going to support in the primary.  I really don't want Trump to be the nominee; he's probably the only R who could lose to Biden.

All the R candidates would lose to Biden.  The D team counts the votes in most states.

[gunsmith]

All the R candidates would lose to Biden.  The D team counts the votes in most states.

good point, I hope you're wrong / fear you are right

[MillCreek]

A Canadian historian thinks that the American Civil War part two will never happen:

https://jamesfell.substack.com/p/sht-went-down-the-american-civil?fbclid=IwAR3c_chNBHx9_7mR3U2PGF_Bo7uanAGeVWeC7ieYJ2u_P1gmudSuwai_9Ac

[cordex]

A Canadian historian thinks that the American Civil War part two will never happen:

He seems nice.

[Ben]

Holy crap, man.

.@HillaryClinton: Republicans defending Trump on classified docs "beyond anything that I ever thought possible in this country"

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/06/14/democrats-would-have-no-standards-if-they-didnt-have-double-standards-n2384505

[MechAg94]

We are all outliers here, no one is paying attention to this at all.
I work with about one hundred welders/fabricators/machinist and assorted blue collar types and management/ engineers  white collars.
No one is even aware of what's going on with Trump. At the same time Trump is wildly popular.
 I am optimistic Trump is going to win.

That is definitely something to remember as far as the timing goes.  Lots of people out there aren't paying attention to political news and won't until Fall of 2024.

[charby]

A Canadian historian thinks that the American Civil War part two will never happen:

https://jamesfell.substack.com/p/sht-went-down-the-american-civil?fbclid=IwAR3c_chNBHx9_7mR3U2PGF_Bo7uanAGeVWeC7ieYJ2u_P1gmudSuwai_9Ac

I agree with him, a few true believers might riot, but the rest will post on the internets how much it sucks here, parrot their favorite "political" pundit, and scream Let's go Brandon a lot.

[Perd Hapley]

Let's pray we don't reach the point where we're ready to kill each other.