The Trump Arrest Thread!

[MechAg94]

Justice Department Swears Trump Will Pay for Biden's Crimes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD-GEmea934

Andrew Klavan does a pretty clever narrative of the current situation.  Only 4 minutes.   

[cordex]

Or more correctly think you're missing how disaffected lot of late 20's to late 30's men are in parts of the country.  [...]

I know, I know, "if just a tiny percent decide to build a big igloo" and all that, but I'm also old enough to remember way back three years ago when the country took the biggest running leap at totalitarianism in my lifetime - something that made PATRIOT Act look like the Bill of Rights - and how a bunch of young guys with rifles didn't start murdering bad politicians.  The closest we got was a spicy Capital tour and the FBI pretending to kidnap a governor.  Even people who ordinarily love to talk big about killing cops and politicians instead just stared at their own feet and mumbled about why people shouldn't choose that hill to die on.

If Trump ever were to be merced in prison (which I doubt will happen), all the perpetrators have to do is give an Epstein-level of coverup - the barest shredded gossamer of a lie to tell ourselves - and my guess is that suddenly those hundreds of thousands of assassins will suddenly find all the reasons that this is not the hill to die on.

Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe my view of the situation is colored by my own personal dislike of Trump, I just don't see the fire of revolution being ignited by Trump's crucifixion.

[Northwoods]

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

3 years ago we weren’t at that stage yet where the evils became insufferable.

Are we there now?  Probably not.  Would Trump being murdered (or Arkancided) in jail push us to that point?  Maybe.  Thing is you can’t really know what the breaking point is until it’s been crossed.

[cordex]

You think things are worse now than at the height of COVID panic?

[Northwoods]

You think things are worse now than at the height of COVID panic?

Is that directed at me?  If so, not really.  But, we know a lot more now about what they were doing to us at that time.  As a result I think we are closer now than we were in 2020.

[dogmush]

You think things are worse now than at the height of COVID panic?

I suspect that's very regional.

For most folks I know in Central Florida the current economy and DOJ corruption is worse than the COVID panic ever got, because we didn't panic very hard.

The response to that spicy Capitol tour is more upsetting to a lot of folks than the election that engendered it.

[Ron]

You think things are worse now than at the height of COVID panic?

Yes, every day the uniparty is in power it gets worse. While we are working and vacationing they are working at destroying the civilizations foundations and erecting more elaborate systems of oppression.

It's still amazing to me that there are no organized white hats in the system working to dethrone TPTB.
Probably my biggest disappointment are the military and intelligence communities. If there was going to be a white hat group it would most likely come from there, right? I've been disabused of that delusion and foolish notion.   

The populist right is like the proverbial sheep without a shepherd. Trump is the only one out there successfully tapping into the right leaning populist masses. Sad, it's very sad.

[JTHunter]

How many people was that?  The only one I remember was that old lady who was foolish enough to let them in her house.  I thought most of the guns seized were from unoccupied homes and such.

I remember seeing that video where a young, burly cop body-slammed this frail old woman into the wall.  She was holding her revolver with the cylinder out and her fingers through the opening.
One of the other stories I heard about were some men that were stopped - IIRC - on the Lake Pontchartrain bridge by "authorities" and barred from going to their home in NO.  When the men tried to turn around without giving up their guns, the cops opened up on them.  I don't remember how many died but it was at least 2 of them.

[Ben]

Here we go again. Is there an approval rating higher than 100%? Because this will create one for Trump. These people are whack, or else playing 742 dimensional chess that I don't understand.

41 felony counts:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-district-attorney-gives-trump-others-until-aug-25-noon-surrender

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/15/what-ga-indictment-has-now-made-illegal-n2386297

[MechAg94]

I get the impression that once these people decided on a plan of action, doubling down is the only answer to the plan not working.  I am sure someone is rethinking things behind the scenes, but we won't see it for a while.

Salty Cracker had a video this morning.  Something about a rapper who did a "F*** Trump" song previously is now supporting Trump. 

[Ben]

Salty Cracker had a video this morning.  Something about a rapper who did a "F*** Trump" song previously is now supporting Trump.

A former coworker on a cross country trip just left this morning after stopping by for a couple of days. He is (or was) a Santa Barbara liberal (almost as bad as a San Francisco liberal). We had some interesting conversations over cigars and whiskey on the back porch.

He is an independent now. His main drivers to that were the political, rather than scientific, covid restrictions in CA, and also what's happening to Trump. He does not like Trump, but has been able to see past that and understand that what these people are doing is destroying democracy and setting a precedent from which we may not recover.

[WLJ]

I get the impression that once these people decided on a plan of action, doubling down is the only answer to the plan not working. 

Like the solution to higher crime after releasing a bunch of criminals is to release more criminals

[MechAg94]

Like the solution to higher crime after releasing a bunch of criminals is to release more criminals

Or the answer to getting caught is often more denial and cover up. 

I predict they will try to do more voter fortification in the next election.  It would be amusing if Trump got 100 million votes this time, but the opponent comes out as getting 101 million.  And the media would still claim there is no fraud. 

[WLJ]

Just a glance is enough to see they're throwing everything they could pull out of their arse at the wall in the hope at least one turd sticks.

[WLJ]

We must throw more on to keep Trump from running!

Nader says there is a glaring omission in the charges, and says Trump should be additionally charged under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which could bar him from again running for political office due to having “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the United States.

Knew IT! Democrat says the quiet part about using indictments to keep Trump from running out LOUD
https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=post;topic=68204.450;last_msg=1409510

[WLJ]

And then there's this

    BREAKING.🚨

    Donald Trump doubles down after his indictment by announcing he will issue an "irrefutable" report on Georgia election fraudhttps://t.co/nYF61hW8Dw
    — Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) August 15, 2023

If this isn't Trump just blowing hot air 

Trump claims he has RECEIPTS to prove Georgia was RIGGED ... and he's planned the REVEAL
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/08/15/trump-hints-at-response-to-fani-willis-indictment-monday-night-georgia-election-n2386305

[Hawkmoon]

And then there's this

If this isn't Trump just blowing hot air 

Trump claims he has RECEIPTS to prove Georgia was RIGGED ... and he's planned the REVEAL
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/08/15/trump-hints-at-response-to-fani-willis-indictment-monday-night-georgia-election-n2386305

Trump (unfortunately) is always blowing hot air.

I doubt that he actually has any "irrefutable" proof, but I hope for once I'm wrong and that he does have something concrete.

[WLJ]

I know, why I made sure to put a if in there.

[WLJ]

NY Judge handing the hush money payment case donated money to Stop Republicans. Yes it was only $10 but it shows the judge could have an issue with anti-republican bias in the case.
Plus there's an issue with his daughter's connections.

The Manhattan judge handling the hush money payments case against former President Trump has refused to recuse himself from the case following a request from Trump's legal team.

Judge Juan Merchan affirmed his ability to be "fair and impartial" in an opinion rejecting arguments from Trump's legal team stating that he should recuse himself. Trump's lawyers had pointed to small donations Merchan made to Democratic causes for the 2020 election.

The case against Trump relates to alleged hush money he paid to pornography actress Stormy Daniels ahead of his 2016 presidential campaign.

Merchan donated $15 to then-candidate Joe Biden’s campaign, $10 to the Progressive Turnout Project and $10 to Stop Republicans during the 2020 election cycle.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-attorneys-file-motion-calling-judge-recuse-himself-citing-conflict-interest

[Pb]

I doubt that he actually has any "irrefutable" proof, but I hope for once I'm wrong and that he does have something concrete.

I agree completely.  If there was ballot stuffing, etc, I'd love to see concrete proof.  There large amounts of proof of the government illegally suppression information about Biden's corruption during the election, but I haven't seen similar proof of voter fraud.

[WLJ]

White House Assures Americans We're Not A Banana Republic, We're A Democratic Banana Republic
https://babylonbee.com/news/white-house-assures-americans-were-not-a-banana-republic-were-a-democratic-banana-republic

[cordex]

White House Assures Americans We're Not A Banana Republic, We're A Democratic Banana Republic
https://babylonbee.com/news/white-house-assures-americans-were-not-a-banana-republic-were-a-democratic-banana-republic

At publishing time, the White House continued to deny allegations that the country has fallen to the level of a banana republic and threatened to jail anyone who claimed otherwise.

[Ben]

Trump trial date in Georgia to be the day before Super Tuesday.

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/08/16/fulton-county-das-requested-trump-trial-date-again-proves-this-is-all-about-politics-n2386344

[MechAg94]

I agree completely.  If there was ballot stuffing, etc, I'd love to see concrete proof.  There large amounts of proof of the government illegally suppression information about Biden's corruption during the election, but I haven't seen similar proof of voter fraud.

IMO, there have been numerous examples of fraud showing that people/groups were committing voter fraud with illegal registrations and illegal votes and ballot box stuffing.  However, I don't think anyone has been able to get access to do full bore audits to find the irrefutable proof you want or get hard numbers.  I know in Arizona the Democrats fought like hell in court to block anyone from doing signature matching or other detailed checks.  I don't recall any of the controversial counties doing full audits or 3rd parties allowed to dig through all the ballots. 

Maybe the question is what sort of proof do you want to see?

Also, regardless of what "proof" there is, for this case it only matters what the judge will allow at trial.  All the judge has to do is find a reason to throw out anything Trump's team submits. 

[Ron]

The USA elections are severely compromised. 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/report-nationwide-cellular-network-connects-election-equipment-gives/