The Trump Arrest Thread!

[Hawkmoon]

I agree completely.  If there was ballot stuffing, etc, I'd love to see concrete proof.  There large amounts of proof of the government illegally suppression information about Biden's corruption during the election, but I haven't seen similar proof of voter fraud.

Trump claims he has proof of fraud in Georgia, and I read enough at the time to feel certain that there was massive fraud in Philadelphia. But proof? As 230RN has written more than once, without evidence you have no proof, and without an investigation, you have no evidence. The fix was in. The powers that be loudly proclaimed there was NO voter fraud, so therefore there was no investigation. So now they can proclaim that there's no [credible] evidence of election fraud. Of course there isn't -- now. They've had almost three years to bury the evidence.

I don't think there's any question that there was large-scale election fraud in many major cities in the 2020 presidential election. Was it enough to swing the election, as Trump claims? I don't know. We'll never know ... because it wasn't properly investigated, and it's now far to late to try to investigate it.

[Ron]

Sure, Biden just got more votes than Obama, Hillary, or Trump, or any other candidate in history, all without ever campaigning, or leaving the basement, or having more than ten people show up to an event.

Just reading some posts here defending our system makes my head hurt.

How bad does it have to get before you stop giving the benefit of the doubt to the liars running everything?

None of the social movements we've been subjected to in our lives were organic, they've been foisted upon the culture. Political power is far too valuable to be in the hands of the electorate. All you get is a show, and the show sucks.

[WLJ]

Sure, Biden just got more votes than Obama, Hillary, or Trump, or any other candidate in history, all without ever campaigning, or leaving the basement, or having more than ten people show up to an event.

He didn't need to, the MSM campaigned for him 24/7 and still is.

[Pb]

Sure, Biden just got more votes than Obama, Hillary, or Trump, or any other candidate in history, all without ever campaigning, or leaving the basement, or having more than ten people show up to an event.

I dunno, but massive amounts of mail in voting may have done it.  Voter participation is typically low, because voting takes effort.  Poorly motivated voters usually vote for Democrats, if they can be persuaded to vote by decreasing the effort required.  Various states pushed mail in voting, and voter participation increased...

[WLJ]

I dunno, but massive amounts of mail in voting may have done it.  Voter participation is typically low, because voting takes effort.  Poorly motivated voters usually vote for Democrats, if they can be persuaded to vote by decreasing the effort required.  Various states pushed mail in voting, and voter participation increased...

Poorly motivated republican voters usually just don't bother and the MSM knows that.

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Judge shopping at its best?

Anyone hear about that premature indictment against Trump and the others handed down in GA with a case number and a judge assigned PRIOR to the conclusion of the Grand Jury? Then that "case" being dismissed at the release of the Grand Jury Indictment? Sounds to me like the next judge in line was a better pick for the DA. It's a neat trick if one can get away with it.

Woody

[WLJ]

Georgia Indicts Millions Of Voters For Conspiring To Elect Trump
https://babylonbee.com/news/georgia-indicts-every-trump-voter-for-conspiring-to-elect-an-election-denier

[DittoHead]

stop giving the benefit of the doubt to the liars

Same goes for the grifters promising proof of election fraud. Sydney Powell never released her "kraken", Mike Lindell never released his PCAPs, True the Vote never released their "mule" data and I doubt Trump is ever going to release his irrefutable proof. If it existed it would already be out there. He may hold his press conference but anything concrete and verifiable will always be 2 weeks away, like his perfect Obamacare replacement plan.

Poorly motivated republican voters usually just don't bother and the MSM knows that.

Why bother voting if it's all rigged anyway? It frustrates me that the stolen election obsession is giving more people a reason to not bother voting. There's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy there.

[Ron]

Same goes for the grifters promising proof of election fraud. Sydney Powell never released her "kraken", Mike Lindell never released his PCAPs, True the Vote never released their "mule" data and I doubt Trump is ever going to release his irrefutable proof. If it existed it would already be out there. He may hold his press conference but anything concrete and verifiable will always be 2 weeks away, like his perfect Obamacare replacement plan.
Why bother voting if it's all rigged anyway? It frustrates me that the stolen election obsession is giving more people a reason to not bother voting. There's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy there.

Indeed, liars need to be ignored, mocked and sidelined.

Instead they are running everything.

Having said that, we can always count on you to shoot to the right 

[Ron]

Why bother voting if it's all rigged anyway? It frustrates me that the stolen election obsession is giving more people a reason to not bother voting. There's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy there.

We have to vote harder 

The system is FUBAR, we aren't going to vote our way out of this. To not see it and to not acknowledge it is just whistling past the grave yard. Nothing works the way we have been told it works. Representative government in the USA is a façade, ie a lie.

We've literally been conditioned to live in a state of cognitive dissonance. I may not have all the answers or even the right answers but I don't have to accept the false narratives and lies.

Maybe it's a worldwide conspiracy, maybe it's multiple conspiracies in competition with each other, maybe it's all just individual grifters all bleeding the system, who knows? You know what it definitely isn't? What it is presented as, representation government in a constitutional republic. That is not how things are working and I refuse to pretend otherwise.
 

[Ben]

"Riggers" y'all.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1692214287614324833

Related, Trump is backtracking on his "irrefutable evidence".

https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2023/08/17/trump-calls-off-his-monday-press-conference-on-stolen-election-n2386392

[WLJ]

"Riggers" y'all.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1692214287614324833

All the online dictionaries will have their definitions updated by noon.

[Pb]

Related, Trump is backtracking on his "irrefutable evidence".

Of course he is.

[WLJ]

Related, Trump is backtracking on his "irrefutable evidence".

https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2023/08/17/trump-calls-off-his-monday-press-conference-on-stolen-election-n2386392

Of course he is.

Part that bugs the crap out me about Trump the most, making big claims like that then nothing. Lock her up! and all that.

[Ron]

Watching and reading the news appears to be designed to make us misinformed, stupid and depressed.

My buddy calls it the daily humiliation ritual.

[zxcvbob]

Watching and reading the news appears to be designed to make us misinformed, stupid and depressed.

My buddy calls it the daily humiliation ritual.

I get most of my news from the Babylon Bee.  Seriously.  If a story looks interesting I'll look it up on real "news" sites, but BB usually has the right perspective, they just take it too far for comic effect.

[WLJ]

I get most of my news from the Babylon Bee.  Seriously.  If a story looks interesting I'll look it up on real "news" sites, but BB usually has the right perspective, they just take it too far for comic effect.

Usually becomes reality in a week or two. They manage to stay ahead of the dems for the most part but barely.

[DittoHead]

The system is FUBAR, we aren't going to vote our way out of this.

But you vote anyway, right?
I'd have to be 100% sure it was meaningless to not bother voting, but I think there are plenty of people out there who won't vote now based on suspicions and over-hyped "proof" - and they aren't democrats.

[WLJ]

But you vote anyway, right?
I'd have to be 100% sure it was meaningless to not bother voting, but I think there are plenty of people out there who won't vote now based on suspicions and over-hyped "proof" - and they aren't democrats.

Not voting just makes it that much easier for them, got to make them work for it. The more they have to work for it the more obvious it becomes.

[MechAg94]

I dunno, but massive amounts of mail in voting may have done it.  Voter participation is typically low, because voting takes effort.  Poorly motivated voters usually vote for Democrats, if they can be persuaded to vote by decreasing the effort required.  Various states pushed mail in voting, and voter participation increased...

I would point out that the mail in voting was also pushed with very little in the way of controls to make sure the votes were valid assuming any controls were actually followed.

IMO, the whole voting system in many places has been modified to make it nearly impossible to full audit the votes after the fact. 

[MechAg94]

https://www.youtube.com/live/M2IUkgMSXug?feature=share&t=3479
This guy has Robert Barnes on at the 58 min mark.  Robert talks a lot about what happened in Georgia. 

[Pb]

I would point out that the mail in voting was also pushed with very little in the way of controls to make sure the votes were valid assuming any controls were actually followed.
 

Good point.

[Hawkmoon]

I would point out that the mail in voting was also pushed with very little in the way of controls to make sure the votes were valid assuming any controls were actually followed.

IMO, the whole voting system in many places has been modified to make it nearly impossible to full audit the votes after the fact.

I agree. This also applies to "motor voting," automatically registering people to vote when they get drivers licenses or state-issued ID cards, early voting, etc. The current status of the system makes a mockery of concepts such as voter registration and "election day." People should have to go somewhere and show proper ID to register to vote, and it should go immediately into a state-wide database that weeds out duplicates. If someone registers in a new distract, the system needs to automatically cancel any registration(s) they may have had previously in other districts. "One [hu]man, one vote."

No early voting. If you won't be able to make it to the polling station on election day, request a mail-in ballot, explain your reason, and vote. We shouldn't turn election "day" into election week, or election month.

And show photo ID or you don't get to vote. I've never understood the arguments that asking people to prove they are who they say they are when they show up to vote is racist or discriminatory. In a sane world, I would expect everyone to WANT their ID checked and verified when they vote. If/when anyone objects to that, I automatically know that's someone who can't be trusted.

[Ben]

I agree. This also applies to "motor voting," automatically registering people to vote when they get drivers licenses or state-issued ID cards,

I guarantee you that the Calif DMV, especially in hispanic heavy areas, where hispanics make up 90% of the DMV staff, is handing out voter registrations to every hispanic non-citizen that comes in for a license. A license which, coincidentally, looks identical to that of a citizen.

[RocketMan]

I guarantee you that the Calif DMV, especially in hispanic heavy areas, where hispanics make up 90% of the DMV staff, is handing out voter registrations to every hispanic non-citizen that comes in for a license. A license which, coincidentally, looks identical to that of a citizen.

The Oregon DMV was doing this in 1996 when I moved back there from Colorado.  Saw this in person when I was getting my drivers license.