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Title: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 10, 2011, 12:47:12 AM
Those of you in northern states will get a kick out of the response to the pending "blizzard" here in AL. We're supposed to get about 8" of snow over the next 24 hours.

They've closed all of the schools, just about all offices, factories and other workplaces, and many major highways. Newscasts warn people not to drive at all unless it's an emergency.

My wife polled our neighbors, and none of them own snow shovels. We brought three when we moved, just in case. Maybe my neighbors will want to inspect them to see how they're constructed, like the scientists in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" inspecting the space ship.

I think I'm going to go out and do some donuts down the street just to freak people out.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 10, 2011, 12:53:23 AM
Those of you in northern states will get a kick out of the response to the pending "blizzard" here in AL. We're supposed to get about 8" of snow over the next 24 hours.

They've closed all of the schools, just about all offices, factories and other workplaces, and many major highways. Newscasts warn people not to drive at all unless it's an emergency.

While that might be over the top in Michigan, it makes perfect sense in Alabama. Of course even in St. Louis, the media oversells the weather at every opportunity. Journalists are paid to over-sensationalize no matter where you live.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Boomhauer on January 10, 2011, 01:51:09 AM
SC closed down the state .gov so I have a SNOW DAY tomorrow! Yeah!
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 10, 2011, 06:53:58 AM
I'm hoping to get some snow here so I can use my new "snow shovel".


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Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 10, 2011, 08:21:28 AM
It snowed at least 6" every winter I lived in VA.  And every winter, they were utterly shocked, awed, and paralized by said snow. 

Meanwhile, in (Htown) Texas, we're looking at one morning this week below freezing.... :laugh:
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: HankB on January 10, 2011, 08:30:58 AM
Meanwhile, in (Htown) Texas, we're looking at one morning this week below freezing.... :laugh:
And of course, the weather guys & gals on TV are dispensing advice along with the weather forecast, which they try to make sound like it's just short of the Apocalypse..

I mean, OK, it's going to be below freezing . . . you really don't have to tell me to take along a coat or jacket, cover sensitive plants, etc. 

Or do you really think your entire audience is comprised of dolts?
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: zxcvbob on January 10, 2011, 08:47:45 AM
And of course, the weather guys & gals on TV are dispensing advice along with the weather forecast, which they try to make sound like it's just short of the Apocalypse..  I mean, OK, it's going to be below freezing . . . you really don't have to tell me to take along a coat or jacket, cover sensitive plants, etc. 

Or do you really think your entire audience is comprised of dolts?
If it saves just one tomato plant...
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: makattak on January 10, 2011, 09:01:11 AM
Those of you in northern states will get a kick out of the response to the pending "blizzard" here in AL. We're supposed to get about 8" of snow over the next 24 hours.

They've closed all of the schools, just about all offices, factories and other workplaces, and many major highways. Newscasts warn people not to drive at all unless it's an emergency.

My wife polled our neighbors, and none of them own snow shovels. We brought three when we moved, just in case. Maybe my neighbors will want to inspect them to see how they're constructed, like the scientists in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" inspecting the space ship.

I think I'm going to go out and do some donuts down the street just to freak people out.

Do not, I repeat, DO NOT go out during the snow in the south.

Yes, we Yankees can drive in the snow. Southerners can't. You don't want to be out there while they discover this fact.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: grampster on January 10, 2011, 09:08:37 AM
It's in the 70's and sunny here in Key West.  What's the problem?? [popcorn] =D =D
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: mtnbkr on January 10, 2011, 09:09:40 AM
It snowed at least 6" every winter I lived in VA.  And every winter, they were utterly shocked, awed, and paralized by said snow. 

You were in Northern Va, where we draw from every corner of the Earth.

SWVa isn't afflicted by such.  They handle the snow just fine, thank you very much. :P

Do not, I repeat, DO NOT go out during the snow in the south.

Yes, we Yankees can drive in the snow. Southerners can't. You don't want to be out there while they discover this fact.

Southerner born and bred here.  I can drive in the snow just fine. :)

Chris
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: makattak on January 10, 2011, 09:16:01 AM
You were in Northern Va, where we draw from every corner of the Earth.

SWVa isn't afflicted by such.  They handle the snow just fine, thank you very much. :P

Southerner born and bred here.  I can drive in the snow just fine. :)

Chris

Ok, maybe that was a bit of hyperbole. ;) (Also, SWVa is in the mountains, so they tend to get a little more snow there.)

However, the percentage of southerners that can't drive in the snow is much higher than in northern climes.

Otherwise, whence all the turtled SUVs?
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 10, 2011, 09:52:21 AM
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Yes, we Yankees can drive in the snow. Southerners can't. You don't want to be out there while they discover this fact.

And many seem to need to learn that lesson every- single- year. Year after year after year.
Of course as soon as they get a big jacked up 4X4 it'll be ok.

Till they have to learn all over again.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: roo_ster on January 10, 2011, 10:47:13 AM
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT go out during the snow in the south.

Yes, we Yankees can drive in the snow. Southerners can't. You don't want to be out there while they discover this fact.

QFT, mtnbiker excepted.

Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 10, 2011, 11:33:15 AM
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You don't want to be out there while they discover this fact.

I've run into that in other states. I just drive faster to keep away from them. ;)

I really shouldn't poke too much fun. The governor has declared the state a disaster, and it's going to cost millions of dollars in lost productivity, wages and revenue, and some people will be injured or maybe killed.

Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Boomhauer on January 10, 2011, 12:14:33 PM
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Do not, I repeat, DO NOT go out during the snow in the south.

Some Yankees can't drive in winter weather, either...

My momma recalls a girl she worked with one time...they told her not to drive during a bad storm one year...Yankee Girl goes "This is nothing, I can drive in it just fine", goes out to her car, and crashes before she leaves the parking lot.

Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Stetson on January 10, 2011, 12:19:26 PM
Yankees get freaked out by Southern thunderstorms.  I have seen it all across the south.  They pull over, stop and huddle in their cars until it passes.  Usually under an overpass without the hazard lights on.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: TommyGunn on January 10, 2011, 12:21:19 PM
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT go out during the snow in the south.

Yes, we Yankees can drive in the snow. Southerners can't. You don't want to be out there while they discover this fact.

Having lived in both Connecticut and Alabama, I note that when I lived in Yankee-land, most people thought they could drive in the snow but caused all sorts of bizarre and dangerous accidents in their attempts to deal with the snowy, icy roads that developed.
Here in 'Bama I note that few people are out on the roads, the supermarkets were raided pretty thoroughly Saturday & Sunday, and the few people that actually did try to go out last night as the storm moved in, caused all sorts of bizarre and dangerous accidents in their attempts to deal with the 5" of snow that had collected.  News reports indicate numerous abandoned cars along the sides of roads.  
So, all in all, I see very little difference .......  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] ;/ ;/ ;/
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: charby on January 10, 2011, 12:30:48 PM
This is my blizzard machine

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except I got chains on it.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 10, 2011, 12:34:49 PM
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The governor has declared the state a disaster, and it's going to cost millions of dollars in lost productivity, wages and revenue, and some people will be injured or maybe killed.

Do they canvas for volunteers or is it like jury duty?
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: charby on January 10, 2011, 12:45:27 PM
We're supposed to get 8" tonight in Central Iowa. Our biggest concern will it quit snowing before we go to work so we don't have to blow again when we come home.

Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: 280plus on January 10, 2011, 12:48:43 PM
It's in the 70's and sunny here in Key West.  What's the problem?? [popcorn] =D =D
ok, now you're just pissin' me off!  :mad:

 :lol:
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: InfidelSerf on January 10, 2011, 01:05:56 PM
We (KC,MO) have about 4-6".. supposed to get up to 8 after it's all said and done.  
snow+E-brake=Big grins  =D
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Tallpine on January 10, 2011, 01:06:46 PM
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governor has declared the state a disaster

I can think of some states that need to be declared as such  ;)
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: 280plus on January 10, 2011, 01:11:34 PM
Any way we can get you guys to keep your snowstorm down there? I just HAVE to be in the 14-16" band up here. Sigh... :P
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on January 10, 2011, 02:52:12 PM
i make decent money when it snows
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Hutch on January 10, 2011, 04:00:29 PM
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Yes, we Yankees can drive in the snow. Southerners can't. You don't want to be out there while they discover this fact.
Don't even go there (so '90's, I know).  NOBODY can drive on glare ice, and that's what snow turns to on roads in the Southeast.  I saw a video on a local Birmingham TV station where the reporter was being lectured by a Chicagoan who was visibly contemptuous of the locals.  He then started backing his car out of the lot.  It didn't stop sliding until he was fetched up against a pole at the bottom of the parking lot.  Soooooooo satisfying....
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: 280plus on January 10, 2011, 04:04:32 PM
Meh, what do Chicagoans know? All they ever get is lake effect snow and everybody knows that's not real snow.  ;)

 =D
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: AJ Dual on January 10, 2011, 06:09:39 PM
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT go out during the snow in the south.

Yes, we Yankees can drive in the snow. Southerners can't. You don't want to be out there while they discover this fact.

Shoulda done all our fighting in that war between the states during the winter.  :facepalm:

Although in all seriousness, I think the reason for part of the panic (besides media inflation which seems inexorable) is that the south has ice storms which are truly debilitating, while the northern climates are generally just too cold for that to happen. Either it snows here or it does not, there's very little middle ground with weird inversion layers or whatever.

And when it is raining and flips to snow, the air dries up so much, the ground and streets dry out somewhat, and the large plow and salt spreading infrastructure we have takes care of the rest.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: mtnbkr on January 10, 2011, 06:59:07 PM
Although in all seriousness, I think the reason for part of the panic (besides media inflation which seems inexorable) is that the south has ice storms which are truly debilitating, while the northern climates are generally just too cold for that to happen. Either it snows here or it does not, there's very little middle ground with weird inversion layers or whatever.

I haven't experienced a truly nasty ice storm here in NoVa, but we had several when I lived in NC and TN.  One winter, we missed over a week of school because of ice storms.  While in TN, we never missed more than a day or two due to snow.

Chris
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Tallpine on January 10, 2011, 07:30:08 PM
We had chinook winds and then freezing rains on top of our snowpack turned to slush.

Now it is really cold and frozen solid, but our gravel county road is so slick that you can hardly stand up on it.

This is as bad a conditions as I have ever seen in 40 years of driving - all of it in snow country.  15 mph is too fast; if you even rest your foot on the brake pedal you lock up all four wheels.  =(

Normally, when the temp drops in the single digits and below, we have really good traction, but not this time.  It will take either several inches of new snowfall, a complete thaw, or the county doing something like sanding or coal dusting the road to fix things (the latter two are not likely).  So we are stuck with this probably until at least March or maybe letter.

I have no clue how they are getting away with running a school bus in these conditions  ;/
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 10, 2011, 07:36:41 PM
I have no clue how they are getting away with running a school bus in these conditions  ;/

Throw children under the rear wheels for extra traction.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 10, 2011, 08:15:04 PM
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Throw children under the rear wheels for extra traction.

Duck! Lightning bolts!
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: erictank on January 10, 2011, 08:29:21 PM
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT go out during the snow in the south.

Yes, we Yankees can drive in the snow. Southerners can't. You don't want to be out there while they discover this fact.

My family moved from the Syracuse NY area to just outside of Austin TX when I was 9.  The second winter we were there, they got their first snow in something like 10 years - a whole quarter of an inch.

EVERYTHING was shut down for THREE FULL DAYS.  NO ONE could drive in it, unless they'd come from somewhere that actually gets snow in the winters.  My family was fine, there were a few others as well, but yeah, the roads were rife with fools who thought that you had to do 2mph in order to be safe, or there was no problem with 75mph (especially those with 4WD  ;/  They just got stuck worse).
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Jocassee on January 10, 2011, 09:30:53 PM
Six inches plus right now in SC, and the roads are covered in ice pack. I only drove a couple miles today, not so sure about doing 26 miles to work in the morning. All supposed to freeze solid tonight.

Roads haven't even been salted.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 10, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
I have the distinct honor of driving my wife and her supervisor to work tomorrow because both are scared to death of driving in the snow. So, I'll spend about two hours of my own work day playing chaffeur to them.

My wife's been driving in WI snow for 25+ years, and she can't handle this?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: mtnbkr on January 10, 2011, 11:09:54 PM
I have the distinct honor of driving my wife and her supervisor to work tomorrow because both are scared to death of driving in the snow. So, I'll spend about two hours of my own work day playing chaffeur to them.

My wife's been driving in WI snow for 25+ years, and she can't handle this?  :facepalm:

There goes the theory of Northerners' superiority in snow-driving.. :P

Chris
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Boomhauer on January 10, 2011, 11:36:59 PM
Six inches plus right now in SC, and the roads are covered in ice pack. I only drove a couple miles today, not so sure about doing 26 miles to work in the morning. All supposed to freeze solid tonight.

Roads haven't even been salted.

This. I don't know how bad ice is going to be tomorrow. State .gov shut down today, so I didn't have to report to work. Tomorrow, we are scheduled to be open unless I get a phone call different.





Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on January 10, 2011, 11:43:10 PM
It's not snow, it's ice. In this area, you get a layer of ice first, then snow on top of it. The snow is good, the ice is evil.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: 280plus on January 11, 2011, 06:23:41 AM
Six inches plus right now in SC, and the roads are covered in ice pack. I only drove a couple miles today, not so sure about doing 26 miles to work in the morning. All supposed to freeze solid tonight.

Roads haven't even been salted.
WTH, I thought you were in NH or something.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 11, 2011, 09:34:26 AM
WTH, I thought you were in NH or something.

You are so 5 or 6 months ago ;/
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: charby on January 11, 2011, 10:14:32 AM
It's not snow, it's ice. In this area, you get a layer of ice first, then snow on top of it. The snow is good, the ice is evil.

I'd be whipping donuts, cookies and drifting all over the local Wal-Mart parking lot.

I grew up in SE IA and we got ice many times before snow, or it was wet snow which made for perfect parking lot driving, and yes a front wheel drive car will whip a donut in reverse. I also miss having a rear wheel drive car with a e-brake handle between the seats.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 11, 2011, 10:22:11 AM
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I'd be whipping donuts, cookies and drifting all over the local Wal-Mart parking lot.

I grew up in SE IA and we got ice many times before snow, or it was wet snow which made for perfect parking lot driving, and yes a front wheel drive car will whip a donut in reverse. I also miss having a rear wheel drive car with a e-brake handle between the seats.

I did that yesterday. Found an empty lot and drove as fast as I could while flipping the wheel. Front wheel drive just isn't as fun, though.

This morning I drove my wife to work. There was almost no traffic, but the streets were in very good shape. Considering the small amount of equipment they have here to deal with snow, I'd say they did an impressive job of cleaning up.

The schools are going to be closed today and tomorrow, and most people appear to still be staying home rather than going to work. The interstate was absolutely clear and dry, and the main streets likewise. I suspect some people are playing hooky.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Tallpine on January 11, 2011, 11:40:43 AM
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State .gov shut down today

Every storm cloud has a silver lining  =D
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: 280plus on January 11, 2011, 12:17:32 PM
You are so 5 or 6 months ago ;/
That's me, 6 months late and a dollar short...  =|
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Boomhauer on January 14, 2011, 06:11:22 PM
I'm hoping to get some snow here so I can use my new "snow shovel".


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Been running a Kubota B21 backhoe for the past two days trying to clear ice and snow from the parking lots, dump stations, and boat ramps at work. The edge of the bucket isn't straight and true, so it's not biting into the ice real well, the bucket is small and fills quickly, and some frickin' IDIOT Kubota designer (who has probably never ran a tractor in his life) put the brake pedals on the same side as the forward/reverse hydo pedals, so you can't easily use differential steering when the front wheels are off the ground...so it's not working nearly as well as we'd hoped.



Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on January 14, 2011, 06:12:42 PM
no back blade?
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Boomhauer on January 14, 2011, 06:34:34 PM
no back blade?


Not on the backhoe (I'm not taking the backhoe unit off and changing it to three point hitch). At work we've got another tractor (older JD 950) with a 4 foot box blade and it's doing better for mass snow removal, but still isn't biting down into the ice and getting rid of it. I might try putting the rippers back on it and see what happens tomorrow if I have time. 

Now, at home I've got a JD 955 with 6 foot box blade and a good size front end loader that'd be the perfect combo for this job, but I'm not hauling it to work over 20 miles of icy roads.

Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Tallpine on January 14, 2011, 06:47:19 PM
Someday I want to get another "newer" tractor.

I drool over the Kubotas but really I think I want something way bigger for the money (used).

Maybe a 60s or 70s vintage Farmall 766++ ... ?

Something that I can really break things with  :cool:
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 14, 2011, 07:49:46 PM
My little toy is a Kioti CK20s. It is a little bigger and heavier than Kbota's BX line and not quite as big as their B series. And several grand cheaper than either. I've only put about 6 hours on it so far but I'm happy with it so far. Spent about 8 months researching compact tractors and the Kioti is what I picked. I added a 50" PTO tiller for working my gardens and it pulls it with authority.
And we still haven't had any snow to move with it  =D.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Lee on January 15, 2011, 01:17:34 PM
I went to see the 'Blue Collar' tour here last winter.  We had a very nasty winter storm that day.  School wasn't canceled because the snow started late in the morning.  By showtime, the roads really, really sucked.  Slush was about 6 inched deep on the freeway.  The first thing Jeff Foxworthy said was something like," damn, if Atlanta had a storm like this one, school would be closed for the rest of the year".  Pretty funny in retrospect.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Tallpine on January 15, 2011, 01:25:08 PM
Back about 25 years ago, where we lived we would be snowed in for three to five months every winter, because the county did not plow up that high.

We used xc skis and a small dog team, or our friends sometimes helped us haul in stuff with their snow machines.

It was easier after the snow got deep enough that you could ski right over the top of the barbwire fence  :cool:
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 15, 2011, 05:53:32 PM
I went to see the 'Blue Collar' tour here last winter.  We had a very nasty winter storm that day.  School wasn't canceled because the snow started late in the morning.  By showtime, the roads really, really sucked.  Slush was about 6 inched deep on the freeway.  The first thing Jeff Foxworthy said was something like," damn, if Atlanta had a storm like this one, school would be closed for the rest of the year".  Pretty funny in retrospect.

The schools here have been out of session all week, and most people in the neighborhood have been off all week. I don't get it, as the roads were fine on Tuesday. An excuse for a vacation, I guess.

Tallpine, my parents had that sort of snow growing up in Michigan's upper peninsula. There's no way I'd want to deal with that.
Title: Re: Alabama blizzard
Post by: Tallpine on January 15, 2011, 07:21:54 PM
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Tallpine, my parents had that sort of snow growing up in Michigan's upper peninsula. There's no way I'd want to deal with that.

We were young, and it was an adventure  :cool:

Right at 10,000' ASL about four miles west of the continental divide near the center of Colorado.

The worst part was living in a 1960 10x50 house trailer with 2" thick walls.  I think we would have been warmer in a good tipi.  ;/