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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Jamisjockey on February 15, 2013, 05:09:39 PM
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Magpul announced via Facebook that if the Colorado gun control legislation
(SHB 1224?) passes, they will leave Colorado.
I wish more manufacturers would grow a set and leave gun unfriendly states behind.
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Go Magpul!
(And come to AZ!) =D
ETA: I hope they also say they won't sell to CO law enforcement, either.
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Probably a solid business move. People in the gun culture tend to remember things like this.
Good for them!
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That makes me feel even better about buying there stuff. Of course if they stop production to move we'll never see their stuff. oh well.
I'd really like to see some bigger companies like S&W or Glock do this. As great as this and Oly and the rest are, I fear most legislatures are like "Magwho?".
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Magpul's bread and butter is mostly with the open civilian market, so they are wise to react to attempts to kill civilian purchases. Other companies like Glock probably wouldn't care too much because they are well established in the closed .gov market.
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Magpul's bread and butter is mostly with the open civilian market, so they are wise to react to attempts to kill civilian purchases. Other companies like Glock probably wouldn't care too much because they are well established in the closed .gov market.
I never understood this mentality.
There are between 800k and 1 million sworn law enforcement officers, fed and local, in the US.
There are 150 million gun owners. 47 percent of Americans answer that they have at least 1 gun in the home. At 310 million total US population, that means nearly half own guns. You want to quibble over interpretation in regards to that then the most we're arguing over might be 25 million.
But that's 1 million, versus over 100 million.
If Glock had 1% of the civilian market share... they're on par with having a 100% monopoly on the law enforcement market share. And they only have about 60% of the law enforcement market, sharing the rest with Sig, Beretta, S&W and whomever else has the remaining scraps.
So, they are willing to rile up the 100+ million gun owners over a market slice of 600k or so?
And the gunnies like most of us here... I don't have enough digits to count all the guns I own. I currently don't own a Glock, but I have in the past. I imagine there are dozens of Glock owners here, many of whom own more than 1 specimen. And pay attention to things like this.
The US firearms market is CONSUMER driven. No LEO driven.
If consumers were to actively punish manufacturers that complied and kowtowed to leftists/statists, they'd go out of business. There isn't enough government contracts to keep them afloat.
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i was in the wegmans yuppy grocery yesterday
every one of the gun mags on the shelf had a modern sporting rifle on the cover. I heard magpul was offered an exemption to stay and sell out of state and keep the tax revenue in CO.
Rich is a smart guy and has the manufacturing under contract at multiple jobbers.
I hope where ever he lands, he builds an awesome facility.
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Ill have to fag out another carbine with magpul goodness once this whole obamination crap blows over. :P
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I never understood this mentality.
You suck and we hate you? ???
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More specifically:
Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know you’ll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but you’ll come back, you always do.
Buy our stuff.
Can you imagine going on ARFcom and trying to explain to those fanboys they need to stop buying Glocks (or HK's or God help us all Colt AR's) because of support of the 2A. Most of those kids would literally sell their own mother before they admit that their G-whatever isn't the cats meow. The mere suggestion that their purchases should be based on politics that affect them instead of something realistic, like throwing the pistol from a moving airplane or shooting more rounds then they've ever seen without cleaning, would get you laughed out of that corner of the internet.
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So, they are willing to rile up the 100+ million gun owners over a market slice of 600k or so?
They may be willing to take the chance that many of the 100+ million gun owners are not members of forums and don't really follow this stuff at all. If I visit a gun store, I can see that Glocks, Sigs, and S&Ws are still selling well, so there isn't really that much pressure on them to change.
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My impression is that Glock is in GA. I don't know what that has to do with CO. The legislation if passed would not exclude Magpul from manufacturing their products. I think it is admirable that they are willing to at least threaten leaving the state if the legislation passes.
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More specifically:
Can you imagine going on ARFcom and trying to explain to those fanboys they need to stop buying Glocks (or HK's or God help us all Colt AR's) because of support of the 2A. Most of those kids would literally sell their own mother before they admit that their G-whatever isn't the cats meow. The mere suggestion that their purchases should be based on politics that affect them instead of something realistic, like throwing the pistol from a moving airplane or shooting more rounds then they've ever seen without cleaning, would get you laughed out of that corner of the internet.
Meh, I'll put Colt into the neutral category, at least in terms of deeds equaling a lot of words. Colt carbines being in Walmarts counts for something with me. Kind of like S&W never really vocally diapering the Clinton-HUD deal, but instead getting into AR's and making the x-frame .500 and .460 revolvers. That was a message too...
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I was on arfcom for awhile, then when I moved I couldn't log on due to my email account was with my cable service and I couldn't remember my password.
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Magpul Industries Corp. · 148,479 like this
21 minutes ago ·
We're hearing some rumors that the Gov and the Dem caucus think we are bluffing. Just to clarify for them, then...we're not a political company. We dont play political games. We've made our position very clear, very publicly. We would not survive lying to our customer base, nor would we ever consider it. If you pass this, we will leave, and you will own it. We've already got plans in place to get PMAG manufacturing moved rapidly, and the rest of the company will follow. We will make sure to at least have a small remain-behind operation through the 2014 elections so that we can remind folks why we are gone.
https://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/561802137165473 (https://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/561802137165473)
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That's good.
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Wow... I thought the gauntlet was supposed to hit the ground, not your opponent's face...
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Wow... I thought the gauntlet was supposed to hit the ground, not your opponent's face...
You have to hit them in the face with the gauntlet. If you were to drop the gauntlet, these idiots wouldn't be able to see it with their noses stuck so high in the air.
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Sur! I say, I say Sur! I demand satisfaction! *thwack
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjE2sxCQ_rU
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Magpul announced via Facebook that if the Colorado gun control legislation
(SHB 1224?) passes, they will leave Colorado.
I wish more manufacturers would grow a set and leave gun unfriendly states behind.
Part of it would be that House Bill 1224 would also make their business more unprofitable, as it comes with extra restrictions. Good call for leaving, though. Any firearms manufacturers that STAY in states that outlaws their products are idiots. It's not a good business decision.
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in colorado house?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/colo-house-approves-new-ammo-limits-more-background-checks-amid-gop-opposition/2013/02/18/7db3747c-7a11-11e2-9c27-fdd594ea6286_story.html
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https://www.facebook.com/magpul?ref=stream 21 hours ago
We're hearing some rumors that the Gov and the Dem caucus think we are bluffing. Just to clarify for them, then...we're not a political company. We dont play political games. We've made our position very clear, very publicly. We would not survive lying to our customer base, nor would we ever consider it. If you pass this, we will leave, and you will own it. We've already got plans in place to get PMAG manufacturing moved rapidly, and the rest of the company will follow. We will make sure to at least have a small remain-behind operation through the 2014 elections so that we can remind folks why we are gone.
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I merged C&SD's thread into this one.
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Magpul now belongs in the pantheon. I can't afford a Barrett, but whatever Magpul makes will be my first choice from now on, forever. More power to them, and those like them.
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Wish they made AK mags. =(
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Wish they made AK mags. =(
They're getting there. They're slowly getting into the AK market. They've started making MOE AK grips and introduced them at last January's SHOT show.
I wouldn't be surprised to see AK mags maybe in the next year or so after the "current unpleasantness" is behind us.
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Yeah, can't really blame a company with a million mag back order for not expanding the product line. :)
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Too bad Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms aren't this vocal.
I've supported them with purchases in the past liking the idea I was helping manufacturers in my state.
If they threatened to move I would have much respect for them. At one time I think there was talk of RRA moving to Iowa.
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Yeah, can't really blame a company with a million mag back order for not expanding the product line. :)
This. I'm gathering they would expand their product line, except they're making money hand over fist with the AR15 platform. Until that demand levels out, it'd wouldn't be a great idea to expand into other potentially less profitable lines. Now, I hope they do. I'd love if Magpul had as many accessories for the AK platform as they do for the AR.
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i await the magpul automotive accessory line
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I'm waiting for a Magpul lower receiver!
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umm,
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.googlepixel.com%2Fimages%2Fmagpullower.jpg&hash=f61a8f56cb29cef22b6a61930f09163e9b9f8da6)
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Shiny. Is it plastic?
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umm,
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.googlepixel.com%2Fimages%2Fmagpullower.jpg&hash=f61a8f56cb29cef22b6a61930f09163e9b9f8da6)
I can haz boner?
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limited edition cnc aluminum
the other side is very cool too.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dsc_3116-tfb.jpg
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I was going to post that, but AFAIK, it was just a limited promotional type run, sub-contracted out to one of the other billet makers.
I figured everyone meant one that leveraged Magpul's polymer investments as well.
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Do want.
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Only in America. Company makes a dorky magazine baseplate and 10 years later is a titan of the gun industry. Kinda cool.
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Only in America. Company makes a dorky magazine baseplate and 10 years later is a titan of the gun industry. Kinda cool.
Yep. I remember on the old AR15-L email list when Magpul started there were a few people who wondered how a company could become successful producing something that was most often improvised with a few cents worth of paracord.
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I'm not a Magpul fanboy and I was never a fan of their original gizmo. But they do produce thoughtful, well designed, useful gear. Their mags are great. Their grips are excellent. I'm seriously considering replacing my Ergo grip, which I've had for years and love, with a Magpul MOE grip.
I think Magpul became successful by not resting on their laurels and relentlessly manufacturing good gear that people want to buy.
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rich is schmart
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I'm not a Magpul fanboy and I was never a fan of their original gizmo. But they do produce thoughtful, well designed, useful gear. Their mags are great. Their grips are excellent. I'm seriously considering replacing my Ergo grip, which I've had for years and love, with a Magpul MOE grip.
I think Magpul became successful by not resting on their laurels and relentlessly manufacturing good gear that people want to buy.
yep. Inexpensive and well designed..whats not to like?
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Interesting...
Magpul just announced a program.
Until they leave Colorado, they're allowing verified colorado residents to buy up to 10 mags, 5 dollar shipping flat rate, bypassing the order queue entirely. They will be given priority.
They have similar programs they say they are working on for other states.
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Interesting...
Magpul just announced a program.
Until they leave Colorado, they're allowing verified colorado residents to buy up to 10 mags, 5 dollar shipping flat rate, bypassing the order queue entirely. They will be given priority.
They have similar programs they say they are working on for other states.
That is how you give politicians the finger!
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Maaaaaaaaan.... This just means I'm gonna need to give them even more of my money... :D
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Maaaaaaaaan.... This just means I'm gonna need to give them even more of my money... :D
+11billion
I am def. getting the MOE stock, grip, and handguard. Probably some pmags once the frenzy is over.
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Guess I need to buy 10 mags before leaving. God bless MagPul.
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I dont currently own anything that a magpul magazine will fit.
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I dont currently own anything that a magpul magazine will fit.
Why let that stop you? You could sell them at a decent fair price (ie less than the 1 eternal soul that CTD is asking for.)
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Gun owners are our own worst enemies sometimes. Their facebook page is blowing up with OUTraged people because they're not "banning" sale of their products to NY LEOs.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/magpul-provides-complete-statement-on-ny-leo-ban/
That's why. And still, the idiots shriek.
We punish companies who do positive things for 2A, for not going FAR ENOUGH.
Silly. I'm going to go order more magpul stuff.
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I agree with the above.
I liked their quip about gunowners who should be dumping their Colts. :laugh:
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After reading that statement from MagPul, I'm now even more happy that nearly all of my AR furniture and such came from them, and I'm definitely going to patronize them more in the future.
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I agree, while I may WISH that Magpul would have signed onto the hardcore police loophole group, they've done more than enough other things to make up for it
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I later noticed that statement at the end. It says that they won't be doing any "blanket" policy, but will be evaluating agency purchases on a case by case basis. Much more sensible, IMHO
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Magpul is proud to announce the “Boulder Airlift”, our program to make sure that responsible Colorado citizens have the opportunity to own standard capacity PMAGs prior to the potential implementation of pending legislation that would infringe on their Second Amendment Rights. The program will be open to all responsible CO residents, (with both billing and shipping addresses inside CO) and provide access to a limited quantity of PMAGs. Remember to contact members of the Senate and the Governor prior to ordering and urge them to oppose HB 1224.
Full details at http://www.magpul.com/colorado
Similar to the Berlin Airlift, the Boulder Airlift will bring much needed supplies to freedom-loving residents trapped inside occupied territory. While we plan to initially use FedEx or UPS instead of aerial delivery, we figure that $5 flat rate shipping will make up for any loss of “style points.”
The increases we have made and continue to make in production capacity will allow us to open this program with very minimal impact on the number of PMAGs we are shipping to our dealers and distributors out of the state. We are also aware that Colorado is not the only state with existing or pending magazine capacity restrictions; we are working on programs for other affected states as well.
https://www.facebook.com/magpul?ref=ts&fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/magpul?ref=ts&fref=ts)
=D
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Is it moving day yet?
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Magpul made a facebook annoucement about 10 round pmags are ready for market. They are getting flamed pretty bad on facebook over it. Well they did call them standard capacity magazines.
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Magpul made a facebook annoucement about 10 round pmags are ready for market. They are getting flamed pretty bad on facebook over it. Well they did call them standard capacity magazines.
People will bitch about anything. Even high quality bench rest mags. :facepalm:
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People will bitch about anything. Even high quality bench rest mags. :facepalm:
This. Also, if I am taking an AR-15 hunting I don't necessarily want a 30rd magazine hanging down there. I'm in the woods after Bambi, not a bunch of VC.
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Magpul made a facebook annoucement about 10 round pmags are ready for market. They are getting flamed pretty bad on facebook over it. Well they did call them standard capacity magazines.
Magpul spent product development time coming up with a 10rd design.
Magpul took 20/30rd magazine equipment offline to make 10rd mags. Or, if they expanded operations rather than redirected operations, they didn't expand the 20/30rd magazine production as far as they could have.
Anyone can take a 20/30rd mag and block it to reduce capacity if they want.
Now isn't the time for a company in Magpul's market to put out Fudd products.
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Magpul spent product development time coming up with a 10rd design.
Magpul took 20/30rd magazine equipment offline to make 10rd mags. Or, if they expanded operations rather than redirected operations, they didn't expand the 20/30rd magazine production as far as they could have.
Anyone can take a 20/30rd mag and block it to reduce capacity if they want.
Now isn't the time for a company in Magpul's market to put out Fudd products.
I'm no hunter, but can people stop labeling things "Fudd," just because they wouldn't be used in an Extreme Shock photo shoot? Come on. If customers want them, then Magpul should probably make them.
Besides, look at the list you just posted. Those are probably all things they've been doing or planning to do since well before Sandy Hook. And you think they should just flush the money they spent to introduce the 10-rounders? =|
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Yeah, I have to agree with Fistful on that one.
I have all sorts of 10rd mags for my autoloading rifles. They're really nice to have for sight-in, prone, deer season, new shooter training, you name it.
We don't need to eat our own here, AZRH44. Those 10 rounders may not be your cup of tea, but they're far from being FUDD items, and I doubt they really taxed Magpul's production capacity.
I could certainly forward a request that the president of Magpul commit seppuku in your honor, if it really chaps you that much.
Of course, there's no reason you couldn't forward that request yourself. Maybe they'd then save face by putting you on the board of directors, too. ;)
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Magpul spent product development time coming up with a 10rd design.
Magpul took 20/30rd magazine equipment offline to make 10rd mags. Or, if they expanded operations rather than redirected operations, they didn't expand the 20/30rd magazine production as far as they could have.
Anyone can take a 20/30rd mag and block it to reduce capacity if they want.
Now isn't the time for a company in Magpul's market to put out Fudd products.
Oh ffs.
They expanded their product line to include an item it was missing. An item used by a LOT of people for a lot of different reasons.
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Magpul spent product development time coming up with a 10rd design.
Magpul took 20/30rd magazine equipment offline to make 10rd mags. Or, if they expanded operations rather than redirected operations, they didn't expand the 20/30rd magazine production as far as they could have.
Anyone can take a 20/30rd mag and block it to reduce capacity if they want.
Now isn't the time for a company in Magpul's market to put out Fudd products.
20/30 rounds don't fit in my bench rest with an AR. I have been wanting to pick up some good 10 round magzines for range work and preditor hunting.
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Remember kiddies, if you ain't actively preparing for the revolution , you ain't *expletive deleted*it!
Magpul also got crap for not going far enough with their pro 2a efforts.
They obviously think there's a demand, and they're producing a product to meet it
I guess that's bad, eh?
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outraged walter mitty armchair comandos don't show up
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If I lived in a state that just limited me to 10 rounds I would sure be thankful that Magpul worked to make something for me.
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If I lived in a state that just limited me to 10 rounds I would sure be thankful that Magpul worked to make something for me.
That's what I was thinking. Just because they also want to cater to people who don't have the option of buying full-capacity magazines doesn't mean that they aren't going the extra mile already. That's not giving in or neglecting the market.
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Ten round mag makes a lot of sense to me. I just don't think that we should be limited to that.
A five round mag would even be handy for hunting with a Saiga, etc.
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If my sidearm holds 10 or fewer rounds, does that make it a Fudd gun?
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>:D
Hmmm. Why couldn't an outfit like Magpul design a 10 rd mag that uses a 30 rd body?
They could sell tens of thousands of them to people behind the iron curtains, then have someone leak that if you take a drillpress/dremel tool/<insert common tool> and cut/remove this piece of plastic, a wolf spring will drop right in and make it a 30 rounder?
[ar15]
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>:D
Hmmm. Why couldn't an outfit like Magpul design a 10 rd mag that uses a 30 rd body?
They could sell tens of thousands of them to people behind the iron curtains, then have someone leak that if you take a drillpress/dremel tool/<insert common tool> and cut/remove this piece of plastic, a wolf spring will drop right in and make it a 30 rounder?
[ar15]
Hell, that wouldn't be a bad side business.
Buy loads of steel 30s, spot weld a sheet metal catch in that doesn't allow the follower to go more then 10 rounds deep, resell them at a premium. I think it would be easy to argue that a metallurgical bond is a permanent modification. I don't think the state trying to hold someone liable for other people using machine tools to illegally modify their product would hold up in court.
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I'm not so sure about that.
in the bad old days of the AWB, companies had to make the mags they were selling completely non restorable. I know the mag my first Bushmaster came with was a 20 rd, that had been cut in half and then rivited back together with a chunk of aluminium in the middle. I would bet that wink and nod type mags would get you in hot water.
without googling any laws, I'd bet money that there's language in there that says some version of you can't sell anything "readily convertable" to a standard cap mag. and ATF Tech Branch gets to say what that means.
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Hell, that wouldn't be a bad side business.
Buy loads of steel 30s, spot weld a sheet metal catch in that doesn't allow the follower to go more then 10 rounds deep, resell them at a premium. I think it would be easy to argue that a metallurgical bond is a permanent modification. I don't think the state trying to hold someone liable for other people using machine tools to illegally modify their product would hold up in court.
You could just stamp an indent on both sides only allowing the follower to go down to ten rounds. S&W did this with the Sigma series magazines.
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>:D
Hmmm. Why couldn't an outfit like Magpul design a 10 rd mag that uses a 30 rd body?
They could sell tens of thousands of them to people behind the iron curtains, then have someone leak that if you take a drillpress/dremel tool/<insert common tool> and cut/remove this piece of plastic, a wolf spring will drop right in and make it a 30 rounder?
[ar15]
California has already been down that road. Do a web search on "10/30 magazine"
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Apparently from reading the "look at the weird/cool stuff we can have in Canada, despite our overall crappier gun laws" threads and show-n-tell pictures on gun forums, that's what everyone with EBR's in Canada does, by that I mean the suppliers. Very simple blocks and rivets are all that are required.
If SHTF, everyone knows 1 second with a drill, 5 with a Dremel, or 20 with a file is all that's needed, and they have 20-30 rounds on tap.