Illegals do jobs that Americans aren't willing to do...

[brimic]

...like tax fraud.

http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true

[roo_ster]

I wish I could say I was surprised.

I m sure someone will school me on how it is to all our advantage to let morally compromised 18th century workers into our 21st century economy.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

how do they get the kids soc numbers?

[brimic]

I m sure someone will school me on how it is to all our advantage to let morally compromised 18th century workers into our 21st century economy.

Its a win-win for everyone except the taxpayer- the businesses get cheap labor, big government gets dependents.

[longeyes]

18th century might be a stretch.  Try timeless tribalists.

Political freedom and economic freedom are not perfectly congruous.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

how do they get soc numbers for the kids?  you need em to claim em.  demonstrably so in the video in the op

[brimic]

how do they get soc numbers for the kids?  you need em to claim em.  demonstrably so in the video in the op

Apparantly they've figured out some sort of workaround.

[RocketMan]

Its a win-win for everyone except the taxpayer- the businesses get cheap labor, big government gets dependents.

And the Democrats get more voters.  Win-win-win.

[longeyes]

how do they get the kids soc numbers?

Friends and relatives on the inside. 

[Ned Hamford]

Apparantly they've figured out some sort of workaround.

Just making them up.  Its only the filing SS/TIN that is initially cross referenced.

I say make it all computerized, then the filed home address can be cross referenced, red flags, token investigation, billions saved from fraud. 

But as others have pointed out... that isn't really addressing the perverse incentives inherent in the present system. 

[Blakenzy]

This isn't an illegal immigrant problem, it's an out-of-control-dumbass-govt agency problem. ITINs? People who are not supposed to be, much less work in country getting Government issue IDs to report their incomes?? Eligible for refunds??? Ax the IRS. As easy as it may be to blame the "filthy barbarians" for everything, it's our beloved gubbermint that set this nonsense up.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/facts-about-individual-tax-identification-number-itin

ITIN holders pay taxes.

    ITINs let more people pay into the system, which builds the tax base.  Between 1996 and 2003, more than 7.2 million ITINs were issued.  More than $300 million was collected in taxes in 2001 alone from ITIN filers—a large portion of whom are undocumented.

    ITIN holders are not eligible for all of the tax benefits and public benefits that U.S. citizens and other taxpayers can receive.  For example, an ITIN holder is not eligible for Social Security benefits or the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC).  However, if that person becomes eligible for Social Security in the future (through legalizing his or her status, for example), the earnings reported with an ITIN may be counted toward the amount he or she is eligible to receive.

ITINs do NOT provide immigration benefits.

    An ITIN does not provide legal immigration status.  It is not a document that can be used to prove legal presence in the U.S.

    An ITIN does not provide work authorization and it cannot be used to prove work authorization on an I-9 form.

[Blakenzy]

So the whole ITIN thing is a revenue procurement gimmick for people with income of an indiscernible origin who will are unlikely to take issue with taxation without representation?

More than $300 million was collected in taxes in 2001 alone from ITIN filers—a large portion of whom are undocumented.

meh, is it worth the trouble? That probably won't even cover Capitol Hill's raw sewage expenses.

It would be priceless however to see an illegal that gets busted by immigration services turn around and say to the cop: "Oye Senor, I pay your salary"

[slingshot]

I sort of like the idea of granting a work visa which would include the ITN.  Other countries have work visa's, why not the USA?  Like gun registration, once you get a list, you can begin to get a handle on these people.  Since I am against registering firearms. does that mean I'm against registering illegals?

[roo_ster]

I sort of like the idea of granting a work visa which would include the ITN.  Other countries have work visa's, why not the USA?  Like gun registration, once you get a list, you can begin to get a handle on these people.  Since I am against registering firearms. does that mean I'm against registering illegals?

Nothing more permanent than a "temporary" worker.  Or their kids.  Just ask the Krauts.

[longeyes]

This isn't an illegal immigrant problem, it's an out-of-control-dumbass-govt agency problem. ITINs? People who are not supposed to be, much less work in country getting Government issue IDs to report their incomes?? Eligible for refunds??? Ax the IRS. As easy as it may be to blame the "filthy barbarians" for everything, it's our beloved gubbermint that set this nonsense up.

Actually, it's both, because the illegal alien phenomenon and the policies that support and encourage it emanate from the Progressive game-plan, which is to expand central government control and to create the docile populace that will accept that.  Illegal immigration serves both ends.

[Viking]

18th century might be a stretch.  Try timeless tribalists.

Seems awfully familiar.

And the Democrats get more voters.  Win-win-win.

This too, just add "Social" in front of "Democrats"...

[slingshot]

Noticed on the news today that the US Government is probably going to issue work visa's to selected illegals.  I think this is actually a good step and have wondered why this was not the law of the land for a long time.  It has nothing to do with voting.  But it would officially legitimize their work status.

On the other hand, these would be the first people now termed illegals (opps, undocumented immigrants) to be put into the citizenship circuit if they want to pursue it.  The reality of the whole situation is that I don't see much of a choice.

Most of the illegals that I have encountered have all been hard working individuals.

Added:  The politico's are saying that Obama does not have the authority/power to do this without Congressional action.  I don't know.  But I know Obama would prefer to be King Obama rather than President Obama.

[roo_ster]

Most of the illegals that I have encountered have all been hard working individuals.

As long as you keep your eyes on them.

[Perd Hapley]

Here's an article about it.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-thwarted-by-congress-obama-will-stop-deporting-young-illegal-immigrants-20120615,0,2674599.story


No deportation for well-behaved illegals under 30. A "catch, release, vote" program, as Rush Limbaugh put it.

[longeyes]

Well, it's good to see where the government's priorities are and who their constituency is.

It's certainly not the American citizen-taxpayer.

[40 caliber]

This isn't an illegal immigrant problem, it's an out-of-control-dumbass-govt agency problem. ITINs? People who are not supposed to be, much less work in country getting Government issue IDs to report their incomes?? Eligible for refunds??? Ax the IRS. As easy as it may be to blame the "filthy barbarians" for everything, it's our beloved gubbermint that set this nonsense up.

Count me as a supporter of your position.

[longeyes]

It wasn't "government" that set this vast problem in motion, it was specific people IN government with specific policies.  Think Ted Kennedy and his "brain trust."  Think the State Dept.  Think religious charity groups and resettlement agencies.  Until Americans begin to trace back and then name names we will be in the dark about who loves the predicament we're in.