Another idea?

[charby]

Many people feel that people need to pass a drug test to get welfare, I don't disagree.

I am also thinking people need to pass a drug test to get unemployment.

What does the collective mind of APS think?

[KD5NRH]

I am also thinking people need to pass a drug test to get unemployment.

Oral or written?  Are study materials provided?

[charby]

Oral or written?  Are study materials provided?

simple pee test. :)

[SADShooter]

Am I correct in thinking that unemployment is an insurance program benefit, as opposed to the direct subsidy that is welfare? If so,  I would be inclined to impose fewer restrictions on unemployment beyond tighter initial eligibility criteria and verification of job-seeking while receiving payments.

[Ben]

Am I correct in thinking that unemployment is an insurance program benefit, as opposed to the direct subsidy that is welfare? If so,  I would be inclined to impose fewer restrictions on unemployment beyond tighter initial eligibility criteria and verification of job-seeking while receiving payments.

What he said.

Plus on the welfare side, I care much less about mandatory drug tests than I care about tightening up the program, like restricting the EBT to basic foodstuffs and life necessities. And for God's sake, stop letting them work at the ATM!

[wmenorr67]

The problem with the EBT system now is that some states force a person paying child support to go through a state agency so the state can steal money from the child and then the remaining money is placed on those cards.   

[KD5NRH]

Am I correct in thinking that unemployment is an insurance program benefit, as opposed to the direct subsidy that is welfare? If so,  I would be inclined to impose fewer restrictions on unemployment beyond tighter initial eligibility criteria and verification of job-seeking while receiving payments.

Basic unemployment and clear physical disability, OK.  (If a guy's missing a leg, he's pretty much not faking it, and his condition won't change based on whether he smokes a little weed from time to time.  For psych-based disability or any other that could be caused or exacerbated by drug use, (such as an injury that could heal significantly more slowly due to drug use) and any sort of extended unemployment, I would support testing.

The problem with the EBT system now is that some states force a person paying child support to go through a state agency so the state can steal money from the child and then the remaining money is placed on those cards.

Which makes a clear case for no alcohol, tobacco or lottery on those cards, and very restricted cash withdrawal.  ($10/wk to go on church field trips or pay a small allowance is one thing, but if you want $500 in one shot, you should have to show up in person at some state office to show the Scout Jamboree paperwork or whatever.)

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

The system is broken. Always has been. Good intentions aside, I was never keen on the "it's ok to take the fruits of one persons labor and give it to someone in need", even if that need is genuine. It's theft, plain and simple. Work or starve. And if you can't work, or won't work, then starve.

[wmenorr67]

Which makes a clear case for no alcohol, tobacco or lottery on those cards, and very restricted cash withdrawal.  ($10/wk to go on church field trips or pay a small allowance is one thing, but if you want $500 in one shot, you should have to show up in person at some state office to show the Scout Jamboree paperwork or whatever.)

Oh sure give the state another reason to steal money.

[KD5NRH]

Oh sure give the state another reason to steal money.

I was referring only to the ones that child support money comes in on, though honestly, the parent receiving the money should also be earning to support the kid, and so should have their own contribution to pull cash needs from.  IMO, a custodial 'parent' who is only supporting the kids via welfare and child support should be facing a very large strike against them if the other parent ever files for primary custody.  (Exception for kids that need special 24/7/365 care, of course.)

[Ben]

Which makes a clear case for no alcohol, tobacco or lottery on those cards, and very restricted cash withdrawal.  ($10/wk to go on church field trips or pay a small allowance is one thing, but if you want $500 in one shot, you should have to show up in person at some state office to show the Scout Jamboree paperwork or whatever.)

Nyet on the church field trip. Churches are supposed to be charitable organizations (at least with helping their own flock). The church should step up to cover the trip. Otherwise it's like the gov giving someone money to pay for a meal at the Salvation Army. Same with the scout jamboree. Get the service organization to pay for it. Sorry, but welfare is not supposed to be fun.

[AJ Dual]

The system is broken. Always has been. Good intentions aside, I was never keen on the "it's ok to take the fruits of one persons labor and give it to someone in need", even if that need is genuine. It's theft, plain and simple. Work or starve. And if you can't work, or won't work, then starve.

Pretty much this.

A society where 99% work and 1% starve is better than one where 49% work and 51% kinda-sorta get by.

[KD5NRH]

Nyet on the church field trip. Churches are supposed to be charitable organizations (at least with helping their own flock). The church should step up to cover the trip.

However, that's a legitimate use of child support money.  I'd rather not see the two mingled at all, but if they're going to be, it still needs to have that sort of distinction.

[charby]

The system is broken. Always has been. Good intentions aside, I was never keen on the "it's ok to take the fruits of one persons labor and give it to someone in need", even if that need is genuine. It's theft, plain and simple. Work or starve. And if you can't work, or won't work, then starve.

What about the special needs people, like ones with Down's Syndrome? What about the person who got hit by a uninsured motorist and is now a paraplegic?

[Perd Hapley]

What about the special needs people, like ones with Down's Syndrome? What about the person who got hit by a uninsured motorist and is now a paraplegic?

Oh, gee, it's not like you know exactly what he meant, or anything.

[Boomhauer]

Many people feel that people need to pass a drug test to get welfare, I don't disagree.

I am also thinking people need to pass a drug test to get unemployment.

What does the collective mind of APS think?

I'm in agreement for both, simply because I've had employees that I've had the great displeasure of being the supervisor of purposely create work accidents for themselves in order to do stuff like get worker's comp to pay for their pill habit, get short term disability so they didn't have to work, and ultimately try to get get fired so they could get unemployment.

(This was back when I was working for the state, and my bosses were *expletive deleted* pussies who wouldn't let me fire the shitheads and get rid of the problem)


But I think the desire for drug testing for welfare and all that is ignoring the forest while obsessing about a tree. The real issue is that the politicians are taking money from the producers and giving it to the leaches in exchange for votes, and the fact that the leaches can subsist their entire lives (and generationally) on the various forms of welfare is INFURIATING.

[Jamisjockey]

No.  Unemployment is paid by taxes collected from businesses that may or may not drug test.
Compromise? If you're laid off from a place that drug tested, the. You should continue to be tested to collect benefits.

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

What about the special needs people, like ones with Down's Syndrome? What about the person who got hit by a uninsured motorist and is now a paraplegic?

Private charity, preferably at the local level. PERIOD. Taking money from one to give to another, under threat of violence, is not right.

Not trying to be a dick here, but someone else's kid (condition of said kid healthy or not) is NOT MY RESPONSIBILTY !  Person gets in an accident, uninsured motorist, see above, NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY.  I am an adult, a responsible adult. I carry uninsured motorist coverage on all vehicles. Other should do the same. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, it is a bitch. 

Again. Charity at the local level. If you see someone in your town, in your neighborhood, that needs help and you are able to help, DO IT.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Isn't a premise that you are looking for work? Failing a whizz quiz is not helping job search. Same as failure to apply. No more check

[brimic]

I am an adult, a responsible adult.

Therein lies the problem.
You can't understand liberals' appeal to emotion in their arguments.
Maybe if you were less responsible and allowed your life to run off the rails, their gibberish would make more sense to you. Of course, if everyone did that, it means the host has died.

[roo_ster]

Therein lies the problem.
You can't understand liberals' appeal to emotion in their arguments.
Maybe if you were less responsible and allowed your life to run off the rails, their gibberish would make more sense to you. Of course, if everyone did that, it means the host has died.

If leftism is anything, it is a mad effort to divorce actions from consequences.

[Scout26]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_o7TScTlWI

[Tallpine]

Many people feel that people need to pass a drug test to get welfare, I don't disagree.

I am also thinking people need to pass a drug test to get unemployment.

What does the collective mind of APS think?

Sure, more government involvement.  What could go worng ...?