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More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« on: December 03, 2015, 02:01:33 PM »
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/03/458319524/pentagon-will-allow-women-in-frontline-ground-combat-positions

This will not end well. Not for the women nor the men who must serve beside them.
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So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought

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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2015, 07:20:38 PM »
12 more drills.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2015, 07:26:35 PM »
12 more drills.

Don't get the countdown app thing for your phone,  it makes it seem longer.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2015, 10:00:46 AM »
just more of obama's last ditch, leaving office frenzy of destroying America.

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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2015, 10:26:07 AM »
An article I read this morning seem apropos

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/12/the_alpha_male_at_bay.html

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This is the meek inheriting the earth in the form of Woody Allen and his nagging girlfriend. Police chiefs who behave like ballerinas. Weird rituals in response to crimes, atrocities, and terror attacks -- hugging, carrying candles, singing “Imagine.”  Ritalin being prescribed to “hyperactive” children -- almost all of them male, and almost all of them acting the way young males have always acted. Military forces bending over backwards to avoid the one thing that military forces are designed to do -- strike a target. There’s no such thing as “Let’s roll” from this crowd.  The betas currently inhabiting the seats of power in the West (Obama certainly -- one look at Michelle reveals who wears the britches in that family. Hollande is a Socialist, and thus a beta by definition. Cameron is the beta who wishes he were an alpha) are very much in the position of a whipped baboon showing his rump to the pack leader. Unfortunately, while baboons are programmed to back off at that point, jihadis are not.

We were promised by feminists that once women took their places in leadership positions, we would immediately have a better world, predicated on the female virtues of moderation, community, and compromise. This may have worked in a world in which every society was operating on the same level. But in a milieu overrun by gangbangers, jihadis, organized criminals, and petty tyrants, all the Ritalin in the world is not going to help.  An aversion to subjecting women to the same level of criticism as men has given a system characterized by fatuity, frivolousness, irresponsibility, and incompetence caused by unwillingness to acknowledge how the world actually works. Angela Merkel, Hillary, and Claire McCaskill can serve as examples. But we could go on.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2015, 06:54:30 PM »
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In recent years, we ended 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' and allowed gay and lesbian Americans to serve openly — and it's made our military stronger.

Has this been quantified and proven, or is this just [more] empty rhetoric? If it has been quantified and proven -- how?
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2015, 07:35:35 PM »
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2015, 01:43:43 PM »
Need to require them to register for the draft now also.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2015, 02:12:03 PM »
The consequences of such abject idiocy will be harsh.  Luckily for those making policy, they will not be the ones to take such consequences in the face.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2015, 03:05:25 PM »
Need to require them to register for the draft now also.

Yep.  Same rules apply across the board, right? 
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2015, 03:15:15 PM »
Need to require them to register for the draft now also.
Yep.  Same rules apply across the board, right? 

As much as I'd like to support that, I never voted for this utter foolishness and I have two daughters who ought not to suffer for the decisions of fools.

Of course, they will, anyway. But I cannot support registering women for the draft any more than I could sending them into battle in the first place.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2015, 03:48:24 PM »
It's things like this that will help bring tourism dollars to Canada.....
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2015, 11:22:06 PM »
Why Men Should Never Hit Women
http://www.unz.com/gnxp/why-men-should-never-hit-women/



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The mean ages of the two distributions were the same, 33. So d is naturally 0 for this measure. For height men are 1.75 standard deviations taller, on average, than women. This seems about right. You can see in body fat percentage that women have higher values than men. The d here is negative. It gets interesting once you get to muscles. These are measuring volumes. When it comes to arm muscles the average male has 2.5 standard deviation units more than the average female! I was also surprised by the thigh muscle, as arm musculature differences have always been more salient. Finally, there’s the fat free mass...

Some have pointed out to me before that the standard sexual dimorphism calculation in relation to humans may not be informative in the way we might think. There’s about a 10% size differences between men and women. But as you see in the “fat free mass” row the size difference is much more extreme if you account for the higher body fat of women. This is relevant because fat does not make you strong, it just adds more weight and volume. In terms of upper body muscle mass there’s less than a 10% overlap between the two distributions. The vast majority of men have more muscle mass than all women. 99.9% of females have less upper body muscle mass than the average male. The 61% greater average muscle mass in male upper bodies translates into 90% greater average strength (the respective values for the lower body are 50% and 61%)...

I spent a lot of time fixating on numbers above because I don’t beat women. More pointedly, I’ve never hit a woman...

Now, mind you, there are a small minority of women who are stronger than a small minority of men. The statistics above make it clear. But it is very unlikely that in a pairwise interaction the very strongest females will randomly face the very weakest males... [emphasis in the original article]

There are two reasons I’m posting this. First, I’m assuming most of my male readers have never beaten a woman, so they too lack good intuition about what they might be capable of if they did do such a thing. There isn’t the sort of thing you really want first-person experience of, so scientific research which can gain you some sense of the shape of reality is useful. Second, the general skepticism and rejectionism of biological differences in behavior between the sexes which is now common on the cultural Left can start to bleed into other domains in the most surreal ways.

For my own part, I have never hit a woman either in anger or with meaningful force.  I have hit women in martial arts.  In the traditional arts, it consisted of a very light tap/tag during sparring and such.  In kickboxing, it was just enough of a tap to let them know I made contact and it was deliberate.  While I was a kickboxing chump in my male weight class, I likely would kill a competitive female kickboxer with a single solid blow, even the bigger gals.

To translate the d (differences in mean as measured in standard deviations) into percentages, let me help (all at age 33):
* A difference (d) in the mean of 2.5SD means that roughly 0.621% of women have arm muscle volume greater than the average man.  Put another way, 99.379% of women have less arm muscle volume than the average man. 
* Lean (non-fat) body mass d of 2.06SD means that 1.97% of women have lean mass greater than the average man. (And 98.03% of women have less lean mass than the average man).  The lean mass takes bone mass into consideration, too.

For my own part, I can think of better uses for women in the military than combat units, where they will die fast and get men killed, too, who otherwise would live.

I am reminded of a recent John C Wright column, a bit of which I will quote:
How long until the Left wake up? The answer is: NEVER.

The Left will never wake up to reality for precisely the reason that Leftism is a mental system of excuses and psychological tricks and traps meant to allow the Leftist to escape from reality.

That is what all their rigmarole, jabberwocky, lies and evasions, all their complex obfuscations, and penning endless tomes of endless nonsense from Marx to Keynes to Al Gore, all their riots, marches, protests, sit-ins, think-tanks, media moguls, money laundering, awards shows, convulsions, antics, stunts, clamor, libel, slander, and cacophony is for: Reality avoidance.

That is all that it is for.

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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2015, 11:56:55 PM »
I wonder where she fits into that chart?   >:D [tinfoil] [tinfoil] :angel:
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2015, 01:33:01 AM »
I wonder where she fits into that chart?   >:D [tinfoil] [tinfoil] :angel:

How do we count the silicone breast implants?
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2015, 10:36:20 AM »
How do we count the silicone breast implants?


I dunno .... I wasn't really concerned about that ......  :angel: [tinfoil] :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2015, 10:52:28 AM »
How do we count the silicone breast implants?

<counts on fingers>

1....2....Yup, just the two.

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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2015, 04:06:15 PM »
I wonder where she fits into that chart?   >:D [tinfoil] [tinfoil] :angel:
Not well. Bodybuilding muscle doesn't tend to be as useful as fighting muscle or working muscle.
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Re: Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2015, 07:56:37 PM »
Not well. Bodybuilding muscle doesn't tend to be as useful as fighting muscle or working muscle.

Is it a different kind of muscle?
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Re: Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2015, 08:23:04 PM »
Is it a different kind of muscle?

It's the kind that makes you way too heavy to pass your PFT standards.  Bulky dudes have to get taped to meet the asinine standards.  Either you're lean or a fatass with a really thick neck to comply.
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Re: Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2015, 08:35:15 PM »
Is it a different kind of muscle?
Fast vs slow muscle.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2015, 06:39:41 AM »
Women in combat?

It's just goddamn beyond everything.  What's it mean? What's it leading to?
  
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I think once you quit hearing "sir" and "ma'am" the rest is sure to follow.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2015, 07:50:09 AM »
Women in combat?

It's just goddamn beyond everything.  What's it mean? What's it leading to?
  
You know, if you'd have told me 20 years ago I'd see children walking the streets of our Texas towns with green hair, bones in their noses I just flat-out wouldn't have believed you.

I think once you quit hearing "sir" and "ma'am" the rest is sure to follow.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2015, 08:04:51 AM »
Who are you and I what have you done with De Selby?

He's trying to imply we're all just knuckle-dragging savages for opposing such obvious "progress".

(Just so we're clear, De Selby, this is where we are progressing to: Our Future)
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2015, 01:54:40 PM »

Eh, I'm probably one of the few here who don't see this as world ending. I however do wish that infantry, special operations and other combat arms fields retain their standards. If a woman can make the grade, that's fine. If not, standards should NOT be lowered under any circumstances. I worked in mixed units, and it really wasn't a problem. The only significant issues I saw were that some of the females and smaller males couldn't carry the heavy stuff, which isn't reflected in the PT tests anyways. I've met males that were PT gods, but couldn't throw a 150 lb person or piece of equipment over their shoulders and run 100m. Or carry an 18 lb weapon plus ammo and personal gear for 10 miles. PT tests aren't entirely combat related to begin with.

I am leery of the Pentagon ordering units to drop standards to ensure quotas. It hasn't happened thus far, and I hope it does not.
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