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A Hidden History of Evil
« on: May 13, 2010, 09:20:01 PM »
A Hidden History of Evil
Why doesn’t anyone care about the unread Soviet archives?

In the world’s collective consciousness, the word “Nazi” is synonymous with evil. It is widely understood that the Nazis’ ideology—nationalism, anti-Semitism, the autarkic ethnic state, the Führer principle—led directly to the furnaces of Auschwitz. It is not nearly as well understood that Communism led just as inexorably, everywhere on the globe where it was applied, to starvation, torture, and slave-labor camps. Nor is it widely acknowledged that Communism was responsible for the deaths of some 150 million human beings during the twentieth century. The world remains inexplicably indifferent and uncurious about the deadliest ideology in history.

For evidence of this indifference, consider the unread Soviet archives. Pavel Stroilov, a Russian exile in London, has on his computer 50,000 unpublished, untranslated, top-secret Kremlin documents, mostly dating from the close of the Cold War. He stole them in 2003 and fled Russia. Within living memory, they would have been worth millions to the CIA; they surely tell a story about Communism and its collapse that the world needs to know. Yet he can’t get anyone to house them in a reputable library, publish them, or fund their translation. In fact, he can’t get anyone to take much interest in them at all.

Then there’s Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky, who once spent 12 years in the USSR’s prisons, labor camps, and psikhushkas—political psychiatric hospitals—after being convicted of copying anti-Soviet literature. He, too, possesses a massive collection of stolen and smuggled papers from the archives of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, which, as he writes, “contain the beginnings and the ends of all the tragedies of our bloodstained century.” These documents are available online at bukovsky-archives.net, but most are not translated. They are unorganized; there are no summaries; there is no search or index function. “I offer them free of charge to the most influential newspapers and journals in the world, but nobody wants to print them,” Bukovsky writes. “Editors shrug indifferently: So what? Who cares?”

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_soviet-archives.html

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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 09:27:43 PM »
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“Editors shrug indifferently: So what? Who cares?”


That's the reaction I got from one of the professors at my thesis defense last semester- I had written a paper on Katyn, including the ignorance of it by the West during WWII and the Cold War.

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Contemplate now that Soviet Communism has been defeated, but the Communists are still in charge in a very real way.

Yep. Can't be shedding light on horrific killing that resulted from the Worker's Paradise, now can we?

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 09:33:56 PM »
I believe on a sub-conscious level, the Germans hold a peculiar fascination because they are Like Us--urbane, developed, civilized. I think some folks get some sort of satisfaction thinking about how it Could Be Us--a little like watching a really sad movie and thinking about what you would do if you were in some horrifying situation.

The Russians are still, to the American mind, a Barbaric Bunch to the East, culturally and developmentally stuck in the late 16th Century.

I certainly agree that the Educational Leftists are disinclined to examine them closely for the reasons mentioned above, but I think there's a little more in play.
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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2010, 09:40:44 PM »
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That's the reaction I got from one of the professors at my thesis defense last semester- I had written a paper on Katyn, including the ignorance of it by the West during WWII and the Cold War.

...what exactly is it that you study, and where?

Down here we have people submitting thesis topics that are FAR more obscure.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2010, 09:48:30 PM »
...what exactly is it that you study, and where?

Down here we have people submitting thesis topics that are FAR more obscure.

Undergraduate history, in South Carolina. Most of the people in the history program, and everybody outside of it I've talked to had no idea Katyn happened.

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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2010, 10:38:19 PM »
I'm trying to imagine a history professor frowning on an essay or thesis subject for being too obscure, and failing horribly.

Or rather: it is your professor that fails horribly.
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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2010, 10:40:03 PM »
I'm trying to imagine a history professor frowning on an essay or thesis subject for being too obscure, and failing horribly.

Or rather: it is your professor that fails horribly.

No, the professor just said "Who cares". Not that it was too obscure.
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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2010, 10:43:16 PM »
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unpublished, untranslated, top-secret Kremlin documents,

I suspect the un is a major drawback to most folks knowing or caring.

Maybe if his motive is more about profit than about getting the truth out.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2010, 10:44:02 PM »
Keep in mind that at least in America, a lot of the people in positions of power, Congress members, governors, professors/deans, famous people in media, actors and actresses, were all big supporters of the USSR and communism in their youth in the 60s.  As to why there is no big push to shed more light on the evils of the USSR, many of the people in the US at least who have the ability to do so, have not the desire to discredit their old idols.  Factor in the rise of socialism in the US as well...

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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2010, 10:49:32 PM »
I suspect the un is a major drawback to most folks knowing or caring.

Maybe if his motive is more about profit than about getting the truth out.

Dude. If they were about any other topic, I'd expect the words "unpublished" and "untranslated" to light a big bright bulb of HEY I CAN MAKE A PUBLICATION OUT OF THIS in every grad student's head from San Francisco to Tokyo.

I personally know a person who's doing her thesis on tax forms in 15th-century Italy. She's gotten her paws on 400,000 tax reports from early 15th-century Florence, retyped/arranged them into a searchable database and is writing her thesis on them. Untranslated and unpublished should be an attraction for practically any Russian-speaking academic.

Hell: You can get a publication under your belt just by arranging for these to be published and writing a foreword to the edition.
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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2010, 10:56:57 PM »
Dude. If they were about any other topic, I'd expect the words "unpublished" and "untranslated" to light a big bright bulb of HEY I CAN MAKE A PUBLICATION OUT OF THIS in every grad student's head from San Francisco to Tokyo.

I personally know a person who's doing her thesis on tax forms in 15th-century Italy. She's gotten her paws on 400,000 tax reports from early 15th-century Florence, retyped/arranged them into a searchable database and is writing her thesis on them. Untranslated and unpublished should be an attraction for practically any Russian-speaking academic.

Hell: You can get a publication under your belt just by arranging for these to be published and writing a foreword to the edition.

You speak Russian, yes? Sounds like you have something to do for the next couple of years... ;)
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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010, 10:58:32 PM »
I happen to already have something to do for the next couple of years.... something having to do with 17th-century Russia, mind you.

I did email the article to a guy who works in the field.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2010, 11:29:42 PM »
That would be beyond awesome if our own MicroBalrog sparked the interest that got this stuff worldwide attention.  I hope your friend finds them interesting enough.

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2010, 11:53:49 PM »
That would be beyond awesome if our own MicroBalrog sparked the interest that got this stuff worldwide attention.  I hope your friend finds them interesting enough.

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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2010, 12:18:33 AM »
I read that yesterday or the day before and, although I was aware of most of it in bits & pieces, I had not seen it all put in one work.  I must admit that even my sunny disposition in he face of almost certain human tragedy was knocked off center.

I was reminded of the unutterably despairing tone of one of Orwell's quotes:
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."

Since communism fell, so much of what the left agitated for has been revealed a fraud.  The truly outrageous is shrugged off as uninteresting because it does not serve their purpose.
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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2010, 01:50:14 AM »
I don't understand why you consider this a hidden history.  There were movies about it and everything.

What am I missing? 

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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2010, 09:12:53 AM »
I believe on a sub-conscious level, the Germans hold a peculiar fascination because they are Like Us--urbane, developed, civilized. I think some folks get some sort of satisfaction thinking about how it Could Be Us--a little like watching a really sad movie and thinking about what you would do if you were in some horrifying situation.

The Russians are still, to the American mind, a Barbaric Bunch to the East, culturally and developmentally stuck in the late 16th Century.

I certainly agree that the Educational Leftists are disinclined to examine them closely for the reasons mentioned above, but I think there's a little more in play.

I think that is some of it. However I think the bigger issue is that when you bring up the huge "unknown" genocides, and black stains of history etc. it makes people uncomfortable. It's not even so much that people have a vested interest in sweeping Soviet and Chinese atrocities under the rug (save the Russians and Chinese themselves) but that people don't want to spend the mental effort of re-categorizing what they already know and what is prominent, like the Holocaust, against the new information, so it sits on the back shelf of history.

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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2010, 09:53:02 AM »
I don't understand why you consider this a hidden history.  There were movies about it and everything.

What am I missing? 

American anti-Communist films don't come anywhere NEAR the true insane horror that was real Communism. Not. Even. Close.
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2010, 10:56:58 AM »
I think that is some of it. However I think the bigger issue is that when you bring up the huge "unknown" genocides, and black stains of history etc. it makes people uncomfortable. It's not even so much that people have a vested interest in sweeping Soviet and Chinese atrocities under the rug (save the Russians and Chinese themselves) but that people don't want to spend the mental effort of re-categorizing what they already know and what is prominent, like the Holocaust, against the new information, so it sits on the back shelf of history.



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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2010, 11:04:57 AM »
I don't understand why you consider this a hidden history.  There were movies about it and everything.

What am I missing? 





Never Heard of Total Eclipse?

Every so often someone in Hollywood uses his power to break the movie colony's rules. Consider this year's Total Eclipse. Odd as it may seem, this is the first serious American film set against the background of the 1939 Nazi-Soviet Pact, the deal that allied Europe's two totalitarian powers against the West and helped plunge the world into war. With an ally on the eastern front, Hitler sent his Panzers west while Stalin helped himself to the Baltic states and invaded Finland. A film like this could easily have turned out as big a didactic dud as the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's 1982 bomb, Inchon, with Laurence Olivier as Gen. Douglas MacArthur. But this time the verisimilitude of the script, carried by some outstanding performances, is the source of the film's dramatic power.

Dustin Hoffman's persuasive portrayal of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin obviously emerges from his close study of how power and perversity converged in the dictator. Likewise, Jurgen Prochnow sparkles as Hitler's foreign minister, Joachim Von Ribbentrop, and so does Robert Duvall as Vyacheslav Molotov, his Soviet counterpart. Duvall's delivery of Molotov's line that "fascism is a matter of taste" is a key moment, and deserves at least as much admiration as Duvall's famous quip from Apocalypse Now about the smell of napalm in the morning. The Molotov speech has drawn some objections for being over the top, but it was not invented by screenwriter William Goldman (Marathon Man); it's an actual quote.

The sheer unexpectedness of the film is almost as shocking as its content. In one of the film's more chilling sequences, the Soviets hand over a number of German Communists, Jews who had taken refuge in Moscow, to the Gestapo. Modern audiences may find this surprising, but that incident too is taken from the historical record. Indeed, former KGB officials are credited as advisers on the film, whose cast also includes some of their actual victims.

There has simply been nothing like it on the screen in six decades. It has taken that long for moviegoers to see Soviet forces invading Poland and meeting their Nazi counterparts. Audiences would likely be similarly surprised by cinematic treatments of Cuban prisons, the Khmer Rouge genocide, and the bloody campaigns of Ethiopia's Stalinist Col. Mengistu, all still awaiting attention from Hollywood.

Total Eclipse is rated PG-13 for violence, particularly graphic in some of the mass murder scenes, images of starving infants from Stalin's 1932 forced famine in the Ukraine, and the torture of dissidents. Director Steven Spielberg (Schindler's List) deftly cuts from the Moscow trials to the torture chambers of the Lubyanka. More controversial are the portrayals of American communists during the period of the Pact. They are shown here picketing the White House, calling President Roosevelt a warmonger, and demanding that America stay out of the "capitalist war" in Europe. Harvey Keitel turns in a powerful performance as American Communist boss Earl Browder, and Linda Hunt brings depth to Lillian Hellman, who, when Hitler attacks the USSR in September of 1939, actually did cry out, "The motherland has been invaded."

Painstakingly accurate and filled with historical surprises, this film is so refreshing, so remarkable, that even at 162 minutes it seems too short.

Never heard of Total Eclipse? It hasn't been produced or even written. In all likelihood, such a film has never even been contemplated, at least in Hollywood. Indeed, in the decade since the Berlin Wall fell, or even the decade before that, no Hollywood film has addressed the actual history of communism, the agony of the millions whose lives were poisoned by it, and the century of international deceit that obscured communist reality. The simple but startling truth is that the major conflict of our time, democracy versus Marxist-Leninist totalitarianism--what The New York Times recently called "the holy war of the 20th century"--is almost entirely missing from American cinema. It is as though since 1945, Hollywood had produced little or nothing about the victory of the Allies and the crimes of National Socialism. This void is all the stranger since the major conflict of our time would seem to be a natural draw for Hollywood.


Do read the whole article, it is well worth your while.

http://reason.com/archives/2000/06/01/hollywoods-missing-movies/print

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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2010, 11:10:47 AM »
Pop culture is largely dictated by Hollyweird. HW has a strong Jewish community, so the Holocaust is (appropriately) given much air time. HW also has a huge Communist population, so those atrocities are swept under the rug.
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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2010, 12:32:59 PM »
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Never heard of Total Eclipse? It hasn't been produced or even written. In all likelihood, such a film has never even been contemplated, at least in Hollywood. Indeed, in the decade since the Berlin Wall fell, or even the decade before that, no Hollywood film has addressed the actual history of communism, the agony of the millions whose lives were poisoned by it, and the century of international deceit that obscured communist reality. The simple but startling truth is that the major conflict of our time, democracy versus Marxist-Leninist totalitarianism--what The New York Times recently called "the holy war of the 20th century"--is almost entirely missing from American cinema. It is as though since 1945, Hollywood had produced little or nothing about the victory of the Allies and the crimes of National Socialism. This void is all the stranger since the major conflict of our time would seem to be a natural draw for Hollywood.

OK, thanks. That alone answers my question, as I hope it does for others who might have been wondering the same thing.

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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2010, 01:01:42 PM »
I suspect the un is a major drawback to most folks knowing or caring.

Maybe if his motive is more about profit than about getting the truth out.
Yep.  I wouldn't mind reading some of that stuff, possibly even paying for the privilege, but I don't have the time to learn Russian and figure out how to navigate old Soviet archives first.

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Re: A Hidden History of Evil
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2010, 01:03:34 PM »
Nazis = bad.  Soviets = utopian idealism.
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