Why are we sitting here watching Obama socialize the US?

[MicroBalrog]

That is always the problem.  There will be alternatives to Obama.  BUT, I can guarantee you none of them will be perfect in your eyes.  Will you support them anyway or will you say they aren't perfectly in line with my views so I am sitting this one out?  

People on all sides do this.

[Perd Hapley]

Well, "our side" did it this past year, and the other side didn't.  I don't want us to develop our own cult of personality (unless it's my personality), but whoever we get behind, we'll need to overlook a few flaws. 

[Manedwolf]

Well, "our side" did it this past year, and the other side didn't.  I don't want us to develop our own cult of personality (unless it's my personality), but whoever we get behind, we'll need to overlook a few flaws. 

Of course, when someone who could actually make a difference comes along, like Palin, the Stupid Party worries more about whether she's on the neocon message, and destroys her if she isn't.

So we get the same bunch of coconuts rolling around for the liberals to kick with glee.

[Perd Hapley]

Or people hyperventilate over his thoughts on origins. 

[MicroBalrog]

Well, "our side" did it this past year, and the other side didn't.  I don't want us to develop our own cult of personality (unless it's my personality), but whoever we get behind, we'll need to overlook a few flaws. 

Oh, I was saying this for ages. The problem is, that cuts both ways.

[longeyes]

I think much of the American populace is in some form of shock, sometimes self-induced.  The hard realities, though, both political and economic, will be setting in this year and next.  Then we will see who cares enough to get militant in their opposition.

The real danger is that the answer to the leftist Democrat's "Mao" is the ultra-right equivalent.

[MicroBalrog]

Extreme right wing does not necessarily mean a dictatorship.

[Manedwolf]

Or people hyperventilate over his thoughts on origins. 

Legislating religion and denial of science into classrooms with my taxpayer money, indoctrinating the entire next generation to be anti-science as he is...is not a minor issue.

[Perd Hapley]

And we're back to square one. 

It is an utter non-issue, if the man is going to be President.  No president is going to be able to impose a creationist or ID curriculum on schools. 

The point is, you are objecting to Jindal just because his stance on origins bothers you.  And a bunch of other people will dislike your candidate because he doesn't like homosexual marriage.  We're not getting anywhere. 

[lone_gunman]

There is no reason why mysticism, creationism, intelligent design, or the pseudo-science of Darwinism need to be discussed in this thread.

[freedom lover]

Who the hell are you two talking about; Huckabee? My dad voted for him in the primaries. He actually thinks a theocracy would not be a bad thing.

[freedom lover]

There is no reason why mysticism, creationism, intelligent design, or the pseudo-science of Darwinism need to be discussed in this thread.

Pseudo-science? Could you start a new thread or give me a link?

[Perd Hapley]

We're talking about this, because it matters to people.  They're the kinds of things on which we must agree to disagree, unless we want to live in a Democrat-controlled nation for the foreseeable future.  This is the answer to your question.  This is why no one has risen up to lead.  Because we won't agree on who that should be. 

Of course, it's also true that a strong enough leader will overcome some of this squabbling, simply because people will respond to his leadership. 

[Manedwolf]

We're talking about this, because it matters to people.  They're the kinds of things on which we must agree to disagree, unless we want to live in a Democrat-controlled nation for the foreseeable future.  This is the answer to your question.  This is why no one has risen up to lead.  Because we won't agree on who that should be. 

Of course, it's also true that a strong enough leader will overcome some of this squabbling, simply because people will respond to his leadership. 

Here's an idea.

Go back to what Goldwater wrote about. A POLITICAL candidate. Not one who wishes to mandate beliefs of any sort. Laws. Just laws. Small government. Procedural government stuff.

Nothing else.

[Perd Hapley]

You're still not getting it.  You sound just like those third-party Wookies you're always downing.  You're not going to find the perfect candidate. 

Secondly, laws ARE beliefs mandated.  A president that's only interested in "procedure" is not going to defend your gun rights.  Or anything else. 

Besides, did we ever find any evidence that Jindal did any of this stuff you're talking about?  I haven't seen it yet.  I abandoned that other thread about Jindal, after people starting spazzing, so maybe I missed it. 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Don't worry, you didn't miss anything in the other thread.  Nobody presented any evidence that Jindal did any of the stuff Maned spazzed about.

[lone_gunman]

Pseudo-science? Could you start a new thread or give me a link?

I tell you what.  If you can name a few documented cases, where one species of multi-cellular organism that have evolved into another organism, we can have this discussion.

[Jamisjockey]

Sweet baby Buddah, enough already.  A bunch of you need to go out and do something calming.  Go to the range and burn some ammo or something.  Jimminy H Cricket.