Post by: telewinz on December 26, 2005, 01:12:40 PM
Post by: telewinz on December 26, 2005, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: Blackburn
I'm not much of a fan of regulating people, but when high capacity assault weapons are so tempting to criminals, well.... maybe they should be banned. 
http://www.wikd.org/pitbull/pitflash.swf
Pit-bulls and people kill people...assault weapons have NEVER been proven to have attacked without EXTREME provocation!
http://www.wikd.org/pitbull/pitflash.swf
Post by: telewinz on December 26, 2005, 01:28:36 PM
This is a Christmas one Hancock County family won't soon forget. The Elo's, who live outside of Weirton off Lyons Road, say they grateful their family survived a dog attack. Patricia Elo cannot get the images out of her head, Saturday afternoon, while her grandson was sled-riding a dog attacked. That is when officers say a pit bull came out of no where and attacked Nathanial, Patricia and Dave's 8 year old grandson. Dave Elo says he fought to free his grandson, "He had him by the neck when I went out and just kept clamping and wouldn't let go. I was beating him on the head, screaming." Dave managed to free his grandson and says he carried the limp child inside, "I thought my grandson was dead he wasn't moving, he wasn't breathing at the time, I was just petrified." Patricia says emergency crews rushed both grandson and grandfather, who was having chess pains, to the hospital, "I was going from one area of the hospital to the other checking on both of them." Both the little boy and grandfather are doing okay. As for what happened to the dog the Elo's say after they got the dog off the boy, the dog tried to attack again and that's when a neighbor shot and killed it.
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 26, 2005, 02:03:31 PM
They can make good pets IF they are highly trained and kept socialized. However, there are dogs much more naturally suited for interaction with children.
Brad
Post by: telewinz on December 26, 2005, 02:08:04 PM
The owner of a pit bull has authorized its euthanization after the dog attacked two people on Allens Creek Road Monday morning. The pit bulls owner later went to the animal shelter and signed over the dog to be destroyed after it is held in quarantine for the required 10 days
Three year old Champagne Jackson is in Cook Childrens Hospital in Fort Worth after she was attacked by a pit bull Tuesday night. The dog ripped the muscle on her left arm and broke it in three places.
A San Jose woman was recovering from bites to her hands and arms after her 8-month-old pit bull mix attacked her in her home Sunday, police said.
No one is quite sure why the pit bull -- who witnesses say often roams the neighborhood -- snapped and attacked five people, including children.
Oakland police said the woman was out walking her Chihuahua near the intersection of Daisy Street and Fair Avenue at 1:30 p.m. when the pit bull charged at her dog. After biting her dog, the pit bull attacked the woman, who fell to the ground.
An Auburn Street woman is being fined after her unmuzzled pit bull attacked police Officer Lawrence R. Newman, who was patrolling the Acre neighborhood by mountain bike, the animal control officer said.
The woman was walking on Ruby Circle, near Stonegate and Riverstone drives, when the pit bull attacked and knocked her to the ground about 6:30 a.m., according to city officials. A witness who saw the attack called 911.
Pit Bull Attacks Boy, 5
A Doberman suffered serious injuries yesterday morning when a pit bull jumped a fence and attacked the dog in a field near Eglinton and Victoria Park Aves.
A five-year-old neutered pit bull, known to have previously attacked other dogs, leaped from the window of a motor home in Rohnert Park Monday night and "viciously" attacked two boxer dogs, police report.
Johnson, 73, of Fredericksburg was walking along Railroad Avenue when a pit bull ran out of a yard and bit him on the right leg, city police spokesman Jim Shelhorse said.
In the last 18 months, 12 of the 18 confirmed dog-related fatalities in the U.S. -- or 67% -- have been caused by the pit bull terrier, a breed that accounts for only 1% of the U.S. dog population!
Post by: Sylvilagus Aquaticus on December 26, 2005, 02:18:29 PM
A few days ago I saw her watching me from her back yard(chain link fence) while I was in my front yard. I walked over, calling her name and acting all friendly-like, but she wouldn't have any of it. She didn't know me from the front yard, only the back. Once I went through the gate into my back yard, she changed her tone diametrically.
My point- she didn't understand the situation.
Her owner is a kind, gentle guy. Never raises his voice, never known him to be mean to her or his other dog, a heeler. The dog didn't have a situational reference to where I was or who I was. To her, I was someone outside her fence, and her instinct- any dog's instint- was to guard her territory.
That said, some of the best dogs I ever knew were 'scary' breeds. In counterpoint my cute little fluffy white Spitzes were hideously ill-behaved in public. Folks thought they were the most adorable, cute little fluffballs. That doggie smile was to suck them in before they tried to eat your face.
Regards,
Rabbit.
Post by: Ron on December 26, 2005, 02:18:49 PM
They originally were much smaller and agression toward humans was actualy bred out of the fighting dogs.
In a true "pit" fight between pitbulls there would be a ref and both owners in the ring with the dogs.
If a dog turned showing no desire to fight the fight was broken up.
Any dog that showed aggression toward humans was unsuitable for fighting due to being in the ring with three humans during combat.
They were frequently both pets and working dogs when not fighting.
The breed has been bred to be bigger and agressive toward humans by the lower elements in society. Aggression wasn't what the old time fighters were looking for they were looking for "gameness". A dog that wouldn't give up even when losing.
Post by: Morgan on December 26, 2005, 02:20:36 PM
Pits can also be extremely charming, loving, and loyal.
Pits need constant supervision around other dogs, children, and strangers. No matter their normal disposition, a Pit cannot be trusted to not fight, often for reasons undivined.
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 26, 2005, 02:28:00 PM
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Folks thought they were the most adorable, cute little fluffballs. That doggie smile was to suck them in before they tried to eat your face.
Sounds like the Chipoodle (an accidental chihuahua poodle mix) that some neighbors used to have. An irritating, ill-mannered, yappy little waste of fur that only lived to make noise and pee on the floor. Why they had the thing I'll never know. I guess the kids liked it just because it was so wierd. It finally got out one night and dissappeared. Supposedly the thing just got out somehow but if I were a betting man I'd put good money on the wife having 'accidently' left the gate open a tad.Brad
Post by: mtnbkr on December 26, 2005, 02:48:23 PM
The Pits I've been around have all been big puppies in disposition, but I still don't trust them. Then again, I don't trust many large working dogs like GSD, Dobbies, Pits, etc. Comes from being attacked by a supposedly friendly Boxer/Pit mix when I was a kid I guess (24 years later, I still have visible scars all over my head).
Comparing animals that have control over their actions and ability to carry out their agression to mechanical devices with no ability to act on their own is the height of stupidity.
Chris
Post by: LawDog on December 26, 2005, 03:19:35 PM
Bullmastiffs, as a breed, are known --famous-- for their docility.
The breed was designed and engineered to pin and hold poachers without mauling them, and to be a loyal protector of a gameskeepers' family. They are calm and dependable dogs. They do best as indoor dogs, with their families.
I have lost count of the number of people who just off-paw decided that my bullmastiff was a pitbull, and who decided to freak out about it.
One evening Khan was in the front yard, being dressed up and gnawed on by numerous nieces and nephews, which was pretty much what he lives for, when the next door ex-Californite neighbor decided to lecture me about the dangers of pitbulls. Despite being repeatedly informed that Khan was, as a matter-of-fact a bullmastiff not a pitbull, he insisted on winding up his lecture with the famous: "Mark my words, one of these days he'll just snap, and you're going to be sorry!"
I'm tired of that speech, and I particularly hate it when delivered by way of a trembling forefinger.
It is always followed by: "And if he even so much as looks cross-eyed at my kids, so help me God, I'll kill him!"
Don't do this, folks. It's daft, and it causes me to have to Mexican carry a .45 every time my aging, arthritic BULLMASTIFF wants to go out front, and that tends to irritate me.
LawDog
Post by: P95Carry on December 26, 2005, 03:28:19 PM
I will retain my suspicion and keep my distance when possible.
Post by: telewinz on December 26, 2005, 03:41:15 PM
Pit bulls and Rottweilers accounted for 89 ( +13 deaths due to pit bull/rottweiler crossbreeds) ALL other breeds (and crossbreeds)account for less than half of the 199 DEATHS! Nice doggy
Post by: matis on December 26, 2005, 03:44:14 PM
In the early 90's, my GF acquired a male pit-bull. He had been semi-abandoned when his owner moved out of a trailer park her family owned.
He was chained all day and night to a 7 foot tall doghouse and watered & fed sporadically, whenever the other tenants felt like it.
So she decided she would take him home. Since I had the pickup and the trailer, I was elected.
At first I couldn't even approach him 'cause he was filled with rage, lunged against his chain and spit hate at me.
So I had the neighbors unchain him and put him into the back of my pickup (w/topper).
Once in the pickup his demeanor changed from night to day. He was almost docile, let me pet him, didn't bark.
In her yard he was once again chained to the dog-house, but fed and watered properly and visited on and off all day.
I'd sit in a chair within chain-length, he'd stand on his hind legs, put his forelegs in my lap and almost swoon when I petted him. I'd pet his head, he'd close his eyes, push his head closer and -- I could swear -- he sighed.
I soon talked her into unchaining him. He ended up sleeping in bed with her.
One of the sweetest dogs I've ever known. I loved him.
On the other hand, didn't take him long to kill her chow, just 2 tries.
She sold him one day (without telling me!) 'cause he kept escaping the yard and wandering the neighborhood.
I think pit-bulls can be lovely dogs. OTOH, they are extremely powerful and were bred to fight. They were bred to fight other dogs, not people 'cause, as mentioned above, their handlers didn't want to be attacked. But with their great power, their breeding and their unpredictability, I think that there are other more suitable breeds for a pet.
Much as I like them, I wouldn't keep a pit-bull. Just too much risk. And I'm not even mentioning the home-owners insurance company or the liability, which is considerable. I didn't struggle to build some assets just to lose them in a personal injury dog-mauling law-suit.
But more even important than legal liability is the risk is to life and limb.
As I mentioned, I adore my dog. But if I was convinced he was a true danger to my kid or to anyone elses kid, or to anyone else, I'd have him put down and cry later.
Dogs contribute great a joy to my life -- I can make a good case that dogs can help to keep one healthy and that they enhance longevity -- they're absolutely wonderful. But if humans don't come first to you, you may need to take a good long look in the mirror.
matis
Post by: Stand_watie on December 26, 2005, 04:02:22 PM
The media demonized them and every scumsucking drug dealer and his brother ran out and bought one, chained it to a tree and beat it.
I predict in twenty years it will be some other breed that every one is foaming at the mouth about and pit bulls will be looked at as we look at Pinchers or Rottweilers today.
Post by: LawDog on December 26, 2005, 04:10:27 PM
Statistics on fatal dog attacks are found here:
http://www.dogbitelaw.com/breeds-causing-DBRFs.pdf
Note that while fatal attacks by police dogs, military dogs and other "official" guard dogs are not included in these statistics, fatal attacks by non-"official" dogs guarding their families are included as dog attack fatalities.
In other words, if Rin-Tin-Tin the K9 uber-hund severs the femoral artery on a felon, it will not be counted in the Dog Attack Fatality statistics -- however -- if Fluffy the Family Pet does the same thing to the same felon when he crawls in your window at 0400 hours carrying a roll of duct tape and a butcher knife, then it will be included in the Dog Attack Fatality stats.
As a point, I notice that bullmastiffs, and cross-bred bullmastiffs, were responsible for two (2) dog-attack-fatalities between 1979 and 1998.
I tend to believe that one or both of those fatalities were probably intruders.
LawDog
Post by: Stand_watie on December 26, 2005, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: LawDog
...As a point, I notice that bullmastiffs, and cross-bred bullmastiffs, were responsible for two (2) dog-attack-fatalities between 1979 and 1998.
I tend to believe that one or both of those fatalities were probably intruders.
LawDog
Despite the fact that bullmastiffs are far better equipped for killing adult human beings than pit-bulls. Which says more to me about bull mastiff owners than it does about bull mastiffs. I guarantee you if we could get a media campaign going to demonize bull mastiffs we could see those numbers spike exponentially over a few years. Just a few hundred articles by media whores hyperventilating over the bull mastiff devil incarnate would have the blood running in the street from bull mastiff attacks.
I tend to believe that one or both of those fatalities were probably intruders.
LawDog
Post by: jefnvk on December 26, 2005, 04:50:30 PM
Honestly, though, to me, there is a difference in legislating against guns and dogs. Dogs have a mind of their own. And they are still animals. Despite what people want to believe, animals are animals. They are not people, they will not always react as we think they should.
Nonetheless, I still don't support legislating against them. Just hold the owner responsible for their actions. If they run off and kill a kid, the owner probably should face at least manslaughter charges.
Post by: Stand_watie on December 26, 2005, 05:34:10 PM
Quote from: jefnvk
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Honestly, though, to me, there is a difference in legislating against guns and dogs. Dogs have a mind of their own. And they are still animals. Despite what people want to believe, animals are animals. They are not people, they will not always react as we think they should...
I will trust a dog to better respond to his enviromental conditioning than a human every day of the week.
Honestly, though, to me, there is a difference in legislating against guns and dogs. Dogs have a mind of their own. And they are still animals. Despite what people want to believe, animals are animals. They are not people, they will not always react as we think they should...
Post by: LawDog on December 26, 2005, 05:44:30 PM
I sincerely hope that my beloved bullmastiffs never become the 'it' dog. Backyard breeding and macho jackasses who need a big, mean dog to make up for anatomical/pyschological shortcomings have already screwed up the pit-bulls and the rotties, I don't want them buggering around with bullies.
LawDog
Post by: Strings on December 26, 2005, 06:12:58 PM
get a Basenji... trust me...
Post by: Antibubba on December 26, 2005, 06:19:54 PM
Post by: telewinz on December 26, 2005, 06:24:22 PM
"No matter how many attacks, maulings, limb amputations and/or deaths there are attributed to Pit Bulls and Pit Bull mixes, there will always the "Pits are great dogs" camp that swear Pits are no more likely to attack a person than a Dachshund."
Post by: pauli on December 26, 2005, 09:00:15 PM
nothing about pitbulls and rottweilers of any sort makes them in any way superior pets to any number of dogs that are not capable of eating my face unassisted. it's nice to have the leeway of knowing that even if a pet dog growls and bites you, it's not suddenly a matter of life and death.
actively setting out to bring a pitbull or whathaveyou into one's home in this day and age is, to my mind, a failure to follow best practices.
Post by: Guest on December 26, 2005, 09:10:07 PM
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Post by: bratch on December 26, 2005, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: pauli
when considering a potential pet, i have a mental checklist. one of the boxes says "capable of eating my face at will." a check in that box is generally a disqualification for pet duty..
Go ahead and check Malinois off your list. Mine will roll around on his back with his mouth open. Occasionally he gets jsut right and my entire head ends up in his mouth.Very weird feeling.
My grandpa had a Pit back in the 50s that he loved; he talks very highly of the dog now but said he wouldn't own another due to the stigma associated and the breed problems nowadays.
Post by: 280plus on December 27, 2005, 03:10:04 AM
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 27, 2005, 03:39:15 AM
Jack Russell terriers for instance (of which I own one). He has never been around other terriers but, he just naturally hunts and kills (or tries to) other animals. Mice, cats, squirrels, groundhogs, raccoons (but he loves kids, which is kind of unusual for a Jack).
Rottweilers (another which I have owned) tend to be very territorial and protectective. If another animal or person comes into to their yard uninvited they could be in for some trouble. Mine crushed a Chihuahua which dug it's way into our yard, scared off a cop who was looking over our wall to see if a prowler had exited through our yard, "Nope! He didn't go that way! But, if we had friends or kids over they could roughhouse with her or sit on her and she was gentle as a lamb.
My mother and stepdad had an Australian Sheppard mix puppy which was about 4 months old which with no training at all just naturally herded their dairy cattle. It was cute seeing that little 15 or 20 lb puppy running around yapping at the heels of those cows.
Pitbulls were bred to fight. It just comes natural to them. Not saying they can't be wonderful pets or that they should be legislated against. Just that they have a tendency to want to fight and people really should take that into account before getting one.
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 27, 2005, 04:32:15 AM
Pit Bulls are useless vicious animals. I've encountered very few that were nice.
That said, I was bitten last may by a Rhodesian Ridgeback. Attacked me off its property. One bite and then I convinced it to retreat.
Buddy installs cable and was bitten a few weeks ago by a Dobe.
Never trust any dog you don't know.
Post by: 280plus on December 27, 2005, 05:32:43 AM
BTW IMHO the Australian Shepard is also among one of the smartest dogs on the planet.
Post by: bermbuster on December 27, 2005, 05:56:43 AM
Quote from: 280plus
Well, I would just like to see blame placed in the proper place. Too many people want to blame the dog or it's breed when in fact the dog is not truly at fault. Incompetent ownership and/or breeding is.
BTW IMHO the Australian Shepard is also among one of the smartest dogs on the planet.
Not just your HO.BTW IMHO the Australian Shepard is also among one of the smartest dogs on the planet.
http://www.petrix.com/dogint/1-10.html
Post by: 50 Shooter on December 27, 2005, 06:46:06 AM
My in-laws had a Golden that was the typical Golden, as stupid, loyal and playful as can be IF he knew you. Seems the kids next door liked to torment him through and over the fence. He wasn't small either, had to weigh around 150+ pounds. One day my father in-law just happened to be looking out the window and saw him just miss the kids arm as it came over the wall. He went next door and talked to the parents and warned them that he knew what they were up to and if they got bit it was thier fault. It was to late for the Golden as he was never the same but I always liked playing with him. Nothing funnier then seeing a dog that big act like pup when you're rubbing his belly.
As far as Pit's go, I'll never own one. I've had friends with them and they were always friendly but they still have that "crazed" look in their eyes.
Post by: Felonious Monk/Fignozzle on December 27, 2005, 07:45:13 AM
Just my 2 cents,
Fig
Post by: bermbuster on December 27, 2005, 10:05:56 AM
I couldn't agree with you more. I have family members who have one and the dog is brilliant. I thought it was on that top 10 list; Australian Cattle Dog. Is that not the same thing? I've never seen a dog that looks like #42.
bb
Post by: 280plus on December 27, 2005, 10:10:54 AM
Post by: 280plus on December 27, 2005, 10:14:32 AM
Here is a link :
http://www.akc.org/breeds/breeds_a.cfm
Near the end of the first category you will see an Aussie cattle dog followed by an Australian shepard...
Oh, I see, I clicked on Kuvasz thinking it was the shepard. If you click on Australian Shepard at #42 that is the dog I'm talking about. I still say they're pretty darn smart. They're thinkers. So are Dobes. They can figure stuff out. Best example. I, the stupid human, when the AS was just a couple months old, tied it out for the day not realizing the shade was going to go away in the afternoon. The dog instinctually dug itself a hole down to cooler earth and layed in it to survive. I learned very valuable lessons from the dog warden that day in the proper setting up of a dog run.
I felt like such a schmuck...
Anyhoo, then there's the Dobe. The one I remember best is when told to go get a cookie she would go to the Lazy Susan under the counter, open it, get out the box of dog bones and bring it to you. Noone taught her to do this, she figured it out all by herself.
Post by: mfree on December 27, 2005, 10:41:28 AM
Post by: bratch on December 27, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
I noticed they had the Belgian Teveruan(sp) at 11. I'm just going to assume that applies for all the Belg Shepard breeds.
Post by: Firethorn on December 27, 2005, 11:16:23 AM
I can't count the number of times they were mistaken for pit bulls. The posted statistics said 'pit bull breed'. How many breeds of pit bull are there?
Makes me wonder how often the breed gets blamed for any attack where they don't catch the animal for a positive identification.
The only incident we know of about how our dogs reacted to strangers in the house without family being home was when the heater/air conditioner guy came to do some work(It was accidental, my dad intended to be there). The male, Mugsy brought down his toys and wanted to play. The female, Cindy, had just had puppies(~week old). She growled at him when he opened the bedroom door, but didn't leave under the bed where the puppies were. Said worker saw the puppies, and not being an idiot, closed the door and left her alone.
I think that if she hadn't had the puppies that she'd have wanted to play as well.
On the other hand, we had no doubt that they'd have mauled anybody trying to do harm to us kids.
Post by: bratch on December 27, 2005, 11:41:45 AM
Post by: Antibubba on December 27, 2005, 03:21:07 PM
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 27, 2005, 03:40:13 PM
He went to drink and dropped the ball in the water and it sank to the bottom.
He stood there looking at the ball wondering how he was going to get it out (he's not one to stick his head under water).
Then he started drinking....and drinking.....and drinking. He was trying to drink all the water so he could get the ball without getting his head wet!
He worked at it for about 5 minutes and I figured that was enough fun and I retrieved the ball for him.
He spent about 2 hours after that relieving himself.
Smart dog.
Post by: Guest on December 27, 2005, 03:40:49 PM
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Rottweilers (another which I have owned) tend to be very territorial and protectective. If another animal or person comes into to their yard uninvited they could be in for some trouble. Mine crushed a Chihuahua which dug it's way into our yard, scared off a cop who was looking over our wall to see if a prowler had exited through our yard, "Nope! He didn't go that way! But, if we had friends or kids over they could roughhouse with her or sit on her and she was gentle as a lamb.
My family owns a doberman/rottweiler mix. He's an absolutely beautiful dog. My little sister could probably burn him with a hot poker in the butt and all he would do is yelp. He LOVES other dogs, too - we have them in the house all the time. (We watch them for people.)But, if a stranger comes near? Ohhhhhh boy. Wow. I kind of doubt he'd hurt a kid (based on the way he's reacted to them on walks), but an adult? He's good protection for my sister, let's leave it at that.
Post by: Guest on December 27, 2005, 09:21:26 PM
I think that people apply to much personification to animals. THey arent people, and they dont have the same kind of decision making ability. If a Lion attacked a person would you blame it's upbringing, or would you just blame it's nature as a lion?
Post by: 280plus on December 28, 2005, 01:02:28 AM
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If a Lion attacked a person would you blame it's upbringing, or would you just blame it's nature as a lion?
Both...
Post by: bermbuster on December 28, 2005, 04:10:03 AM
Quote from: c_yeager
Most "aussie shepards" i have met have borne an uncanny resemblance to an Australian Cattle dog. It is quite an impressive site to see them in action, as they actually do herd cattle. My parents had one, and it developed an uncanny ability to open sliding glass doors, and chain-link gates within hours of its arrival.....
The one I am familiar with looks like a cattle dog. The owners call her a "cow dog." I took their word for it. Dog is smart as a whip. Does the door-opening thing you described. When we go hiking she "herds" us, slowing down whoever is in front then running to the back of the herd nipping at the heels of the slowest.
This is a little out of focus but it's the only photo I could find of the dog.
Post by: Firethorn on December 28, 2005, 04:11:08 AM
Quote from: 280plus
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If a Lion attacked a person would you blame it's upbringing, or would you just blame it's nature as a lion?
Both...Of course, they're handled by professional trainers.
Post by: Chris on December 28, 2005, 07:12:45 AM
Post by: 280plus on December 28, 2005, 09:38:53 AM
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Post by: crt360 on December 28, 2005, 04:10:56 PM
When I was a kid there were very few dangerous dogs around. Did people get attacked or bit? Sure. Everyone I knew got bit by someone's dog, but it was no big deal. We never heard of anyone getting mauled. Nobody had a "pit bull" or rottweiler, or mastiff/rottweiler/great dane mix. In my grandma's old neighborhood you could walk for blocks without seeing a threatening dog. Now that neighborhood has dogs like these in every other yard, tied up to the piece of junk Camaro on blocks. Some of these dogs will nearly kill themselves with their chains trying to get at you when you pass. The number of serious dog attacks has increased signficantly in this part of the country. Despite their vile nature, it's not weiner dogs and poodles that are tearing people up.
A neighbor of one of our clients was recently attacked and mauled to death by another neighbor's "pit bulls" while riding around her own yard on her lawnmower.
Post by: Antibubba on December 28, 2005, 07:04:23 PM
Post by: telewinz on December 30, 2005, 12:36:04 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Bob
My Jack Russell had a hard rubber ball to play with. One day he was one the rear deck of the house and decided to get a drink from a 3 gallon bucket of water I had there for him.
He went to drink and dropped the ball in the water and it sank to the bottom.
He stood there looking at the ball wondering how he was going to get it out (he's not one to stick his head under water).
Then he started drinking....and drinking.....and drinking. He was trying to drink all the water so he could get the ball without getting his head wet!
He worked at it for about 5 minutes and I figured that was enough fun and I retrieved the ball for him.
He spent about 2 hours after that relieving himself.
Smart dog.
INSANE!He went to drink and dropped the ball in the water and it sank to the bottom.
He stood there looking at the ball wondering how he was going to get it out (he's not one to stick his head under water).
Then he started drinking....and drinking.....and drinking. He was trying to drink all the water so he could get the ball without getting his head wet!
He worked at it for about 5 minutes and I figured that was enough fun and I retrieved the ball for him.
He spent about 2 hours after that relieving himself.
Smart dog.
today's email from my sister:
"both pitt dogs were put to sleep at a cost of $140. Well worth it. Marissa (daughter) hates me and has again left. My comment " don't let the door hit you in the ass."
Post by: Firethorn on December 30, 2005, 01:00:19 PM
Quote from: telewinz
"both pitt dogs were put to sleep at a cost of $140. Well worth it. Marissa (daughter) hates me and has again left. My comment " don't let the door hit you in the ass."
Wait, I thought that it was 1 Pitt that the daughter brought? Is the daughter of majority age, because if she is, and the pitts were her property, the mother didn't have the right to put them down if they didn't present an imminent threat. She could say "Not in my house".I have no problems putting down the dogs if they were ill-adjusted, but like alot of users say, a properly adjusted Pitt is a very lovable pet. Much of the problem comes from people buying them and either not knowing what they're doing, or far too often, deliberately trying to make a 'mean dog'.
Post by: French G. on December 30, 2005, 09:20:32 PM
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=telewinz
today's email from my sister:
"both pitt dogs were put to sleep at a cost of $140. Well worth it. Marissa (daughter) hates me and has again left. My comment " don't let the door hit you in the ass."
As best as I can determine from the OP both Pits in question had done nothing wrong or displayed no tendencies yet based on your urgings and some news items about other people's dogs, were executed. Very nice. I'd leave too if I was the daughter, I refuse to live with sub-humans. today's email from my sister:
"both pitt dogs were put to sleep at a cost of $140. Well worth it. Marissa (daughter) hates me and has again left. My comment " don't let the door hit you in the ass."
I come from very old Irish stock and 350 years of Virginia family. I am anti-social and white. I suppose I should just go off myself before I snap and kill me some Englishmen, Indians, or Yankees. Right? I went to the SPCA to get another pet a few years back. I tried to adopt a 2 yr old Pit male. He was aggressively slobbering on me and grinding a hole in the concrete with his stump. He sat and came on my command and generally just wanted to play/drown me in spit. He even averted his eyes when I stared him down. The animal Control folks go by my house while I wait at the SPCA and tell me my fence is inadequate to adopt a "dangerous" breed. "Fence, hell I'll be lucky to get this thing off the couch" I say. No dice. Now that homicidal black LAb that tried to punch a hole in its pen everytime someone looked at it in the eyes? I could have adpoted that thing no questions asked. Yes, we all have tendencies and genetic predilections. People or dogs, how we are raised is a bit more important than how we look.
Post by: Sindawe on December 30, 2005, 10:53:28 PM
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"both pitt dogs were put to sleep at a cost of $140. Well worth it. Marissa (daughter) hates me and has again left. My comment " don't let the door hit you in the ass."
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As best as I can determine from the OP both Pits in question had done nothing wrong or displayed no tendencies yet based on your urgings and some news items about other people's dogs, were executed. Very nice. I'd leave too if I was the daughter, I refuse to live with sub-humans.
I echo Firethorn and French G's sentiments. If the animals were not property (and animals ARE property) of your sister, and they had displayed no human aggressive behavior, your "sister" has commited a grievous wrong apon her daughter and her pets.Were it *MY* parent that had killed my pets without just cause, they could kiss our relationship good-bye. If I did not take a large, heavy blunt object to 'em first. Its rare to hear/read of those who fit the classification of Untermenshen; guess today is one of those days.
Post by: Guest on December 31, 2005, 12:06:35 AM
Post by: telewinz on December 31, 2005, 02:46:50 AM
"a properly adjusted Pitt is a very lovable pet"
How do you tell BEFORE someone is killed or injured? 67%...don't forget most likely met the description of "a properly adjusted Pitt is a very lovable pet" before they killed a human. Where is your outrage for this INSANE act?
Post by: Firethorn on December 31, 2005, 04:17:47 AM
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BUT 67% of all dog related human fatalities are caused by pit bulls and they represent only 1% of the dog breeds in the US. I'm sure their are people with pet rattlesnakes and alligators in this country. Other than their being cold blooded, I don't think their is much difference between them and pit-bulls.
There's a whole world of difference between reptiles and dogs. And on the fatality problem, I think that the majority of the problem is being caused by the wrong people buying pitbulls for the wrong reasons, stimulated by what they hear on the news.I don't think that a pit should be a familiy's first dog.
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My sister's response may well have been a very responsible action, don't judge so harshly until ALL the information is reported. I'll know more tonight.
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"a properly adjusted Pitt is a very lovable pet"
How do you tell BEFORE someone is killed or injured? 67%...don't forget most likely met the description of "a properly adjusted Pitt is a very lovable pet" before they killed a human. Where is your outrage for this INSANE act?
How do I know that you're not going to go nuts and kill 57 people using your guns tommorow?How do you tell BEFORE someone is killed or injured? 67%...don't forget most likely met the description of "a properly adjusted Pitt is a very lovable pet" before they killed a human. Where is your outrage for this INSANE act?
Maybe 'adjusted' is not the right word. 'Socialized' could be better. Dogs have moods and behaviors. In my experience, small dogs are the worst behaved of the lot. People let them get away with too much. The dogs then proceed to get into trouble much like spoiled rotten kids. Proper training and enforcment of discipline can prevent this. Controlled exposure to people and other animals until reactions are known. For Pete's sake, don't let them run loose. This holds true for any breed.
From my readings, in 99% of dog attacks there are precurser signs, even if the family doesn't recognize them. In many cases I also get CYA vibes from the 'great pet' lines.
Post by: telewinz on December 31, 2005, 05:08:00 AM
Because the statistics DON'T say 67% of human deaths are done by telewinz.
Sister's reason;
"They were put down because the female was playing with my cat and dragging her across the yard. I'm not sure if she's dead or not. Haven't seen her for 2 days but she did get up and walk away. Mckayla does the same thing but its a fair fight and the cats like Mackaya. Last straw for me however the dog was never anything but nice to us. I just don't trust or like pitts. The male went because I was afraid of his looks. Sad situation all the way around."
How many people will be alive or unharmed due to her responsible actions we will never know. Those dogs were killed for safety reasons, that steer was killed to fill the buns of your Big Mac. Where the difference? They are both animals serving MAN's needs. Medical science and statistics are in agreement, Big Mac's and pit-bulls are not good for you. However there is no documented evidence of a Big Mac attacking an innocent/guilty human being (or small dog or cat) no matter what the provocation .
"From my readings, in 99% of dog attacks there are precursor signs, even if the family doesn't recognize them. "
My sister READ the signs and acted. There is no reliable psychological tests for pitt-bulls. Weep for the steer's and hogs instead, truly they are more innocent.
Post by: Firethorn on December 31, 2005, 04:33:43 PM
And the Steer thing is a misnomer. Dogs are pets/working animals. Steers are food. On requires a live animal for their purpose, one requires a dead one. You put down dogs when they've failed their purpose or become a danger. You put down a steer when it's time to render him into hamburger and steaks.
Post by: 280plus on January 01, 2006, 04:35:17 AM
Post by: telewinz on January 01, 2006, 04:46:22 AM
Post by: Calumus on January 01, 2006, 05:34:24 AM
http://www.moloss.com/001/ptxt/breed.html I have a Cane Corso and people have thought he was everything from a pit, to a boxer, to a lab. He doesn't really look like any of them but there's enough of a resemblence that someone who knows nothing about dogs, which unfortunatly seems to be most people, would probably report him as a pit if he bit them. As for not leaving kids alone with big dogs, you shouldn't leave kids alone with any dogs. My sister has a scar right below her eye from the cute fuzzy shih tzu we grew up with. SHe got too close, so he went after her. Now 20 some odd years later her kid will crawl all over my big scary dog and try to ride him like a pony and the worst that happens is the dog gets up and walks away. Big dogs that are properly trained and socialized are usually much more stable and less likely to snap then little dogs, the problem is if they do there's much more potential for damage which is why we don't leave kids alone with dogs. To the person who said someone was giving their mother a Fila Brasiliaro, Do some VERY serious research on that breed. I love them, but I would never have one because I like to have company. They are extremely loyal and very protective towards their "pack" but they do not like strangers. The question is this, could your mom restrain a 140 lb dog that was going after someone she didn't want it to go after? If the answer is no, then she shouldn't take the dog. Sorry for the rambling 1st post here, but when it comes to "dangerous" breed dogs getting banned and destroyed because of media sensationalism, and crappy owners who should have bought a guppy instead of a dog of any sort, I get my back up a little and don't really know where to start. Cheers,
SHawn
Post by: telewinz on January 01, 2006, 05:54:35 AM
Brian C. Anderson
The pit bull's unusual breeding history has produced some bizarre behavioral traits, de- scribed by The Economist's science editor in an article published a few years ago, at the peak of a heated British controversy over dangerous dogs that saw the pit bull banned in England. First, the pit bull is quicker to anger than most dogs, probably due to the breed's unusually high level of the neurotransmitter L-tyrosine. Second, pit bulls are frighteningly tenacious; their attacks frequently last for 15 minutes or longer, and nothinghoses, violent blows or kickscan easily stop them. That's because of the third behavioral anomaly: the breed's remarkable insensitivity to pain. Most dogs beaten in a fight will submit the next time they see the victor. Not a defeated pit bull, who will tear into his onetime vanquisher. This, too, has to do with brain chemistry. The body releases endorphins as a natural painkiller. Pit bulls seem extra-sensitive to endorphins and may generate higher levels of the chemical than other dogs. Endorphins are also addictive: "The dogs may be junkies, seeking pain so they can get the endorphin buzz they crave," The Economist suggests. Pit bulls have been bred specifically to be aggressive. They're descended from the now- extinct old English "bulldogge," a big, tenacious breed used in the brutal early- nineteenth-century sport of bull baiting, in which rowdy spectators watched dogs tear apart an enraged bull. Victorian reformers, concerned about the coarsening effect bull baiting had on its devotees, banned it by the early 1830s, but enterprising bull baiters merely migrated to an equally bloody sport: organized dog fighting.
Most dogs warn you before they attack, growling or barking to tell you how angry they are"so they don't have to fight," ASPCA advisor and animal geneticist Stephen Zawistowski stresses. Not the pit bull, which attacks without warning. Most dogs, too, will bow to signal that they want to frolic. Again, not the pit bull, which may follow an apparently playful bow with a lethal assault. In short the pit bull is a breed apart. Though breeders, realizing the pit bull was an attractive dog when it wasn't scrapping, bred a less feisty versionthe American Staffordshire terrier ("Pete" of the old Our Gang comedy series is a well-known representative)the pit-bull terrier is first and last a fighting dog. Its breeding history separates it from other tough dogs like Doberman pinschers and rottweilers, which have been bred to guard their masters and their property. Pit bulls are genetically wired to kill other dogs. Carl Semencic, author of several informative books on guard dogs, and a big pit-bull fan, describes it, the bulldogge owners made a striking discovery: "a cross between the bulldogge and any of the game [i.e., brave and tenacious] and relatively powerful terriers of the day produced a game, powerful, agile, and smaller, more capable opponent in the dog pits." These bull-and-terrier crosses became renowned for fighting prowess and soon were the only dogs used in organized dog fighting in England and later in the United States. To preserve the bull-and-terrier's pugnacious traits, the dogs were bred only to dogs of the same cross. Thus was born the pit-bull terrier, "the most capable fighting dog known to modern man," Semencic enthuses.
Robin Kovary, a New York-based dog breeder and pit-bull fancier, acknowledges, "Once the word got out, 20 years ago or so, to youths who wanted a tough dog to show off with, the breed passed into less than responsible handskids who wanted the dogs to be as aggressive as they could be." Geneticist Zawistowski gives the upshot: "Irresponsible breeders have let the dogs' block against being aggressive to people disappear. They've created a kind of pit bull with what I call `undifferentiated aggression.' " A Milwaukee man learned this the hard way in January, when he tried to break up a fight between his two pit bulls and had one forearm ripped off and the other so badly mauled that doctors later had to amputate it. Abundant evidence of owner irresponsibility is on display at the Center for Animal Care and Control (CACC), a nonprofit shelter that opened in late 1994 in the heart of Spanish Harlem, to take over New York City animal control from the ASPCA. Pit bulls are its biggest problem. More than 60,000 animals, half of them dogs, entered the shelter last year. According to CACC official Kyle Burkhart, "more than 50 percent of the dogs are pit bulls or pit-bull mixesa huge percentage." That works out to 40 or so pit bulls a day, most of which have to be put down because of their aggressiveness.