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What do pornograhpy, swords, and your neighbors have in common?
« on: February 22, 2007, 09:15:32 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253602,00.html

Sword-Wielding Man Confronts Neighbor After Hearing Woman's Cries on Porn Film

Wednesday, February 21, 2007

OCONOMOWOC, Wis.    A sword-wielding Wisconsin man broke into his neighbor's apartment thinking he was chivalrous after hearing the cries of a woman he thought was in peril  but instead, she was in porn.

James Van Iveren was in his Oconomowoc apartment listening to music when he heard loud cries from a woman he thought was pleading for help, reported the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. The 39-year-old grabbed a cavalry sword, a family heirloom, and rushed upstairs to forcibly open the quarters of an upstairs tenant he barely knew.

"It was a woman screaming," Van Iveren said of the Feb. 12 incident. "She was screaming for help."

Bret Stieghorst told police that he was watching a pornographic DVD when Van Iveren kicked open his door, damaging the frame and lock in the process, with a 39-inch blade in hand.

Stieghorst said Van Iveren demanded "Where is she?" while thrusting the sword at him.

The neighbor told police Van Iveren became increasingly aggressive as he repeated the question, insisting that he had heard a woman being raped. The complaint said that, with the sword pointed at him, the neighbor led Van Iveren throughout the apartment, opening closet doors to prove he was alone.

Van Iveren insisted that he never threatened the neighbor with the sword.

"I had the sword extended. But that was all," he said. "I walked in the front room and looked around. When I saw there was no woman, I left," he said.

Van Iveren called it a mistake and said that his actions had nothing to do with Stieghorst.

"I intended to hold it behind my back and knock. But I froze and instead, what happened happened," Van Iveren said. "Now I feel stupid. This really is nothing, nothing but a mistake."

Police arrested Van Iveren on misdemeanor charges of criminal trespassing while using a dangerous weapon, criminal damage to property while using a dangerous weapon and disorderly conduct while using a dangerous weapon. If convicted he could face a maximum total penalty of 33 months in jail. Officers also confiscated his family's sword.

An officer for the Oconomowoc police said the investigation is ongoing.

FOX Milwaukee affiliate WITI and The Associated Press contributed to this article.

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2007, 10:09:28 AM »
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Police arrested Van Iveren on misdemeanor charges of criminal trespassing while using a dangerous weapon, criminal damage to property while using a dangerous weapon and disorderly conduct while using a dangerous weapon. If convicted he could face a maximum total penalty of 33 months in jail. Officers also confiscated his family's sword.

Poor Van should have just dialed 911 instead, and let the cops bust down his neighbor's door and probably shoot him too because they thought the remote controle in his hand was a gun Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2007, 10:15:35 AM »
Sword-boy is lucky Porn-boy didn't have a gun handy.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2007, 10:29:43 AM »
whatever happened to the good samaritan laws? the guy screwed up, but he was trying to accomplish a good deed...

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2007, 10:34:00 AM »
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whatever happened to the good samaritan laws? the guy screwed up, but he was trying to accomplish a good deed...

+1... ditto.

I say as long as he apologizes to the perv who had his porn volume up way too high, and pays for a competent carpenter to repair the damaged door (aliteration  grin), and no one was hurt, all is good in my book.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2007, 11:04:41 AM »
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whatever happened to the good samaritan laws? the guy screwed up, but he was trying to accomplish a good deed...

+1... ditto.

I say as long as he apologizes to the perv who had his porn volume up way too high, and pays for a competent carpenter to repair the damaged door (aliteration  grin), and no one was hurt, all is good in my book.
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I don't care what you think you heard playing on my TV, you will NOT do to me what this yokel did and get off the hook with a simple apology and a new door.  If you bust into my house waving a sword, you'll be lucky if you walk back out under your own power.  Even if I do exercise a heroic level of restraint and avoid putting holes in your chest, you will have to do far more to make amends than simply repairing the damage you caused.  You violated my personal space, and no amount of self-professed good intentions can justify that.

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2007, 11:06:46 AM »
While I will agree with the above that this was simply a mistake by an over-zealous neighbor, I believe that a bit of clarification is in order.

Good Samaritan laws only cover persons (specifically, lay people with first aid training) who are performing first aid on an individual up to the scope of their training.  So, for example, Joe sees his neighbor choking on a piece of hard candy, and he's trained in CPR including Foreign Body Obstructed Airways (yes, that's a specific training to perform the Heimlich Maneuver).  So he runs over and performs said maneuver, and neighbor ends up w/ a couple of broken ribs, but otherwise survives the encounter.  That's covered by Good Samaritan laws.  However, same scenario, but let's say that the Heimlich doesn't work, and instead of sticking to his training, Joe now decides to attempt to perform an emergency tracheotomy on his (now unconscious) neighbor because he'd seen too many episode of M*A*S*H and E.R.   Oops.  Joe ain't covered by the Good Samaritan laws, and is now not only likely to be charged with assault, but possibly have his pants sued off by neighbors family.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2007, 12:06:55 PM »
I'm with Headless up there. 
Breaking down the door of the neighbor you hardly know while flinging a sword around is a fantastic way to get venitlated.

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2007, 12:12:41 PM »
Sword-boy is lucky Porn-boy didn't have a gun handy.

No kidding.  I wonder if sword-boy was enjoying a little smoke with his music - 'cause you gotta be high to pull something like that.  I'll give him an "E" for effort, and maybe an "I" for imagination.

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Re: What do pornograhpy, swords, and your neighbors have in common?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2007, 12:23:56 PM »
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=569088

The prosecutor is filing charges on 3 counts.

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Prosecutor says sounds on neighbor's DVD were consensual sex, not rape

By DAVID DOEGE and AMY RINARD
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Posted: Feb. 21, 2007

Waukesha - The pornographic DVD that was being played in an Oconomowoc apartment doesn't square with a man's claim that he thought he heard a rape in progress before storming into the residence with a sword, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

"Does hearing the sounds of consensual sex under these kinds of circumstances indicate that a crime may have been occurring? Obviously, the Oconomowoc police thought not," Waukesha County Assistant District Attorney Kevin Osborne said.

As for kicking in the door while armed with a sword, Osborne said, "Was that a reasonable response? It's reported that he pounded on the door and kicked it in before the man had a chance to open it. That doesn't appear to have been a reasonable reaction to me."

Osborne said the decision to file the charges against James W. Van Iveren over the Feb. 11 incident primarily boiled down to his reported beliefs and actions being unreasonable.

"If he disagrees, we can take it to trial," Osborne said. "That's why we have trials."

Van Iveren's neighbor, Bret Stieghorst, said Wednesday that he believed Van Iveren was doing what he thought was the right thing in kicking in the door to his apartment and didn't care about the charges that were filed, except damage to property.

"He did kick in my door, so he should get charged with that," said Stieghorst, 33, who works full time and is a student at Waukesha County Technical College. "But he really didn't do anything except what he thought was right. I don't know what I would have done in that situation."

But if Van Iveren was attempting to rescue what he thought was a woman in danger he was "obnoxiously late," said Stieghorst, who said he watched the movie between 1 and 2:30 a.m., but Van Iveren did not burst into his apartment until about 11:30 a.m.

When he told Van Iveren that he was going to call the police, Van Iveren ran out the door of the apartment and down the stairs, and Stieghorst said he followed him. It was only when they got to the bottom of the stairs, and Van Iveren ducked into the door of another apartment, that he realized Van Iveren was his neighbor, he said.

Stieghorst, who said he has lived in his small downtown apartment for five years, said he was watching an adult DVD in Spanish called "Casa de Culo." He said the movie has no screaming that would suggest to someone a woman was in danger.

"It's all in Spanish, and I don't understand a word of it," he said. "I only bought it for the hot chicks."


Van Iveren, 39, of Oconomowoc, was charged by Osborne last week with one count each of criminal trespass while using a dangerous weapon, criminal damage to property while using a dangerous weapon and disorderly conduct while using a dangerous weapon.

Van Iveren told a reporter Tuesday that he distinctly heard a woman screaming while he was listening to music in his first floor apartment on the morning of Feb. 11. When the screams persisted over an extended period, he concluded that a rape was taking place in the apartment above his, so he decided to intervene, according to Van Iveren.

Van Iveren said he grabbed an heirloom sword, raced up a staircase to the apartment above him and kicked in the door, expecting to find a woman being raped. He said he left after the neighbor showed him that he was alone in the apartment.

Osborne said Wednesday that the case was unusual.

"I guess I'd call it a unique set of circumstances," he said.

Osborne said, though, that it would be a mistake to let Van Iveren off the hook merely because he says he was mistaken.

"You can't just make up an excuse for your behavior and expect to avoid consequences," he said.

Stieghorst said the incident will not change his movie-viewing habits.

"No, way; I'm a man and I'm a normal person," he said. "But I think I will get some good headphones, maybe some wireless ones."


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Re: What do pornograhpy, swords, and your neighbors have in common?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2007, 12:31:07 PM »
So, if you thought you heard a woman being raped next door, what would you all have done?  We're assuming here that you really do have reason to believe this is going on and you're responding immediately.  If Mr. Porn is correct, our sword-boy didn't do either of those things. 

We've got one vote for call the cops.  This one seems a little funny to me, given that we're always talking about slow response times. 

I'll give my vote for call the police and then take the sword/gun/etc. with me as discretely as possible and knock on the door. 

Any more ideas? 
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2007, 12:35:42 PM »
He coulda knocked on the door and asked about the noise before charging in sword-in-hand.  He coulda called the police.  He coulda stopped to listen long enough to figure out that it was a porn flic and not the real deal.  Or he coulda knocked on the door and asked...

This story reminds me a bit about the overzealous bomb squads.  When in doubt, to something drastic.  Then blame your senseless reaction on the other guy, not your cataclysmic lack of sense.

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2007, 12:39:14 PM »
Just don't shake the guy's hand goodnight when you figure out it's a movie.  grin
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2007, 12:40:57 PM »
Maybe he thought there was some live role-playing going on, and he wanted to get in on it?

"Unhand the damsel, foul black'ard!"

"My hero!  What can I do to thank you?"

And so on.   cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2007, 01:46:50 PM »
Well sword guy thought he was doing the right thing. But if porn boy had given him a torso full of .45 caliber air holes in the process he would have been in the right as well. If some dude with a sword came crashing through my door while I'm knocking my junk around he should consider himself lucky not to be fired on by a different type of gun  grin . This reminds me of an event that happened in N.Y a few weeks ago. An old man armed with a pistol went out onto his front lawn to chase away what he thought were drug dealers making a deal on his property. They were undercover cops setting up a sting. As you can guess old guy ends up dead. Was he wrong? Yes and no. Were the cops at fault? Partially so. Whos to blame when both parties try to do the right thing? God only knows.
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2007, 01:57:35 PM »
Maybe he thought there was some live role-playing going on, and he wanted to get in on it?

"Unhand the damsel, foul black'ard!"

"My hero!  What can I do to thank you?"

And so on.   cheesy

Funny, but read the second article....the 7 hour disconnect between the "rape" and the break in.....someone was either a) drinking or b) smokin pot.....
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2007, 02:00:30 PM »
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"It's all in Spanish, and I don't understand a word of it," he said. "I only bought it for the hot chicks."

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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2007, 02:23:13 PM »
Hell the sales of said DVD should now go through the roof.  Remember that free publicity either good or bad is good.  The films producer couldn't have asked for better.  Now every Tom, Dick and Harry will rush out and buy a copy to see what all the hub bub is about.
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2007, 04:55:39 PM »
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It's reported that he pounded on the door and kicked it in before the man had a chance to open it. That doesn't appear to have been a reasonable reaction to me."

Unless you have a badge - then you only have to wait 3 seconds.

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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2007, 05:58:04 PM »
Don't ruin my little joke, jamis.   sad  And don't believe everything you read or everything you hear through your neighbor's door.   smiley
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2007, 02:01:37 AM »
This just in...crime scene video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-10DgWsSZNc
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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2007, 07:48:03 AM »
The article I read about this said that the "wannabe hero" didn't have a phone.

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Van Iveren, who lives with his mother in the downstairs apartment, said he did not call police when he heard the noises because he does not have a telephone. He said he barely knew the upstairs tenant.
http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S32013.shtml?cat=1

I think the guy watching the porn should be cited for disturbing the peace or something similar. It's a hard call, as if I didn't have a phone, I might check it out at least. Makes one think as to whether or not they really want to get involved.
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2007, 08:35:31 AM »
Y'see, this is why I turn my speakers off! The "acting" (ugh, the quotes do nothing to shield me from the revulsion engendered by using that word in this sentence) in porn is heinous enough without some guy busting up into my room with blade in hand.

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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2007, 09:45:57 AM »
The article I read about this said that the "wannabe hero" didn't have a phone.

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Van Iveren, who lives with his mother in the downstairs apartment, said he did not call police when he heard the noises because he does not have a telephone. He said he barely knew the upstairs tenant.
http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S32013.shtml?cat=1

I think the guy watching the porn should be cited for disturbing the peace or something similar. It's a hard call, as if I didn't have a phone, I might check it out at least. Makes one think as to whether or not they really want to get involved.

How did he "disturb the peace"?  Just because your neighbor in a poorly insulated apartment building can hear your TV does not mean it is above a reasonable listening volume nor that you are disturbing anything.  At best you go up and knock on the guy's door and ask him to turn it down. 
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2007, 10:41:00 PM »
Ok... that video was just wrong...