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Strange bedfellows
« on: July 03, 2009, 10:04:51 AM »
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ACLU files suit over gun rights

Jay Vise Reporting
A New Orleans man is suing the city and its district attorney for refusing to give back a gun that police seized when he was arrested on drug and firearms charges.

The American Civil Liberties Union on Thursday filed the federal suit on behalf of Errol Houston Jr., who was arrested last year following a traffic stop.

The suit says the district attorney's office declined to prosecute Houston but has refused to return his .40 caliber firearm.

Houston claims Orleans Parish District Attorney Leon Cannizzaro has instituted a policy that firearms seized during arrests will not be returned to their owners.

The ACLU says that policy violates Houston's constitutional rights.

Cannizzaro says his office decides on a "case by case basis'' whether to return confiscated guns.

Emphasis mine.

http://www.wwl.com/ACLU-files-suit-over-gun-rights/4728222

Does this indicate a fundamental shift in the ACLU's policy with respect to guns?  I doubt it, and I suspect that they're doing this for some other reason.  But for them to come out and say that the police taking the gun of an individual, and not returning it to that individual, violates that individual's rights certainly seems to be an orthogonal shift from their usual "collective right, that's why the police have guns" reasoning.

Interesting, none the less.

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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2009, 10:16:10 AM »

How the heck could they justify not returning a person's property when they're released?  I've never been arrested, but I thought they bagged up everything upon your arrest/booking and returned everything (minus anything illegal or evidence collected for a trial) when you were released?


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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2009, 10:22:49 AM »
Quote from: RevDisk on July 03, 2009, 10:16:10 AM
How the heck could they justify not returning a person's property when they're released? 
Maybe one of the officers liked it, and figured it would fill a hole in his collection?
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 10:59:11 AM »
It's Nawlins. They play by a whole different set of rules.  :police: <=Still looting Wal-Mart
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 11:11:29 AM »
Local chapters sometimes have a more centrist/libertarian bent.
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 11:57:29 AM »
Probably the ACLU sees this as a property rights issue, not a gun issue.
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 12:15:04 PM »
HankB's got it right. I predict that if the plaintiff wins, the gun will be discovered to have been "lost in evidence".
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 12:16:02 PM »
Quote from: Antibubba on July 03, 2009, 11:57:29 AM
Probably the ACLU sees this as a property rights issue, not a gun issue.

DINGDINGDING !!!  We have a winner.   It could have been his Car, Boat, Home, Bicycle, Wheelchair, Shoes, Clothes, Books, Porno, etc.  I have to agree with the ACLU on this.  Arrested and not convicted = anything and everything seized gets returned with a nice apology.  Bar None.
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 09:02:07 PM »
And here I was expecting a note about Rev's new, er, "partner"...  :angel:

It IS odd to see the ACLU having anything to do with guns though...
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »
Quote from: Strings on July 03, 2009, 09:02:07 PM
And here I was expecting a note about Rev's new, er, "partner"...  :angel:

It IS odd to see the ACLU having anything to do with guns though...

Heh, I only court ladies.  They tend to be attractive, intelligent, well armed and exceedingly crazy.  I will grant you, "strange" does not begin to cover my relationships. 

Anything positive re guns, you mean.  They have joined forces with the NRA on side projects in the past, such campaign contributions and such.  I'm not a fan of the ACLU completely, but I will grant that they have done some good work in the past. 
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2009, 11:10:02 PM »
OK, let's break this down...

>Heh, I only court ladies.<

So how do you explain those videos?

>They tend to be attractive<

Could be

>intelligent<

And yet they spend time with you... :P

>well armed and exceedingly crazy.  I will grant you, "strange" does not begin to cover my relationships.<

Well, they'd have to be "crazy" and "strange" to be seen in public with you... :P
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2009, 11:41:49 PM »
The ACLU defending anything to do with guns is enough to cause snow flurries in Hades.
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2009, 11:54:50 PM »
Quote from: scout26 on July 03, 2009, 12:16:02 PM
 I have to agree with the ACLU on this.  Arrested and not convicted = anything and everything seized gets returned with a nice apology.  Bar None.

Actually, you don't need to be arrested to have your stuff confiscated.  That's why you occassionally see odd court names like "United Staes vs $10,000".

I am not a lawyer, so please don't take my word for this in any way, shape or form.  Ask a lawyer, not me.  A lawyer tried explaining it to me, but it hurt my brain.  But let's say the police find a lump of cash on you through legitimate means.  The police ask you to prove you got it legally.  You can't.  So they arrest the cash.  To get it back, you have to sue, prove you have standing (I have no clue what's involved in that), prove it was not obtained illegally, etc.  It's not "guilty until proven innocent" because you are not on trial.  The money or other objects are. 


Quote from: Strings on July 03, 2009, 11:10:02 PM
OK, let's break this down...

>Heh, I only court ladies.<

So how do you explain those videos?

>They tend to be attractive<

Could be

>intelligent<

And yet they spend time with you... :P

>well armed and exceedingly crazy.  I will grant you, "strange" does not begin to cover my relationships.<

Well, they'd have to be "crazy" and "strange" to be seen in public with you... :P

1). I was young, drunk and needed the money.  ;)
2). Hey now.  Check your pm.  I expect apologies to be paid in alcohol.
3). Intelligence and common sense are not the same thing.
4). ...  Ok, I grant that point.
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Re: Strange bedfellows
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2009, 01:28:15 PM »
Quote from: LadySmith on July 03, 2009, 11:41:49 PM
The ACLU defending anything to do with guns is enough to cause snow flurries in Hades.


they have a sense of humour  they once defended a guy who burned a cross on his own property.  they sent a black lawyer who won the case
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