I think this is the worst of the Planned Parenthood videos

[De Selby]

Exactly, when a baby is considered a person seems to be based only on convenience to these monsters.

The science damns them as well as all human moral systems except for maybe those who worshiped Moloch.

Well, half the population seems to agree with them.  So I don't think its fair to say that the science is clear and damning.

Abortion as a controversy is relatively modern, if we're talking religion or moral foundations.

[roo_ster]

Muslims, socialists, the left generally are blamed in this thread - there's an awesome list by rooster on another thread about child molesters (basically everyone except whites, Asians, and Jews).

No mention of the big pharma types buying the baby parts or moves to protest their stock - just PP. 

It's literally an SNL skit. 

Don't wanna be called out for disproportionately diddling kiddies?  Stop you & yours from diddling kiddies.  There is something peculiar to the called-out sub-groups that increases the rate.  I'd say it was high time they addressed it.  The same way white middle class Americans addressed their propensity to litter after WWII and other social ills in the past.

[Perd Hapley]

Muslims, socialists, the left generally are blamed in this thread - there's an awesome list by rooster on another thread about child molesters (basically everyone except whites, Asians, and Jews).

No mention of the big pharma types buying the baby parts or moves to protest their stock - just PP. 

It's literally an SNL skit. 

Literally?

Agree about the pharmaceutical companies, of course.

[cordex]

No mention of the big pharma types buying the baby parts or moves to protest their stock - just PP. 

Who here is defending the companies buying the PP brand Baby Bitz?  Oh, that's right, no one.

Your shtick is tedious.

[Perd Hapley]

Well, half the population seems to agree with them.  So I don't think its fair to say that the science is clear and damning.

Abortion as a controversy is relatively modern, if we're talking religion or moral foundations.

On the first bit there, you're saying that the science is unclear, because half the country is pro-abortion? Is the science on the origin of mankind also unclear, due to the large numbers of people that are skeptical of evolutionary theory?

On the second bit, yes, abortion is among the things it is taking humankind some time to figure out. Much like slavery.

[brimic]

Muslims, socialists, the left generally are blamed in this thread - there's an awesome list by rooster on another thread about child molesters (basically everyone except whites, Asians, and Jews).

No mention of the big pharma types buying the baby parts or moves to protest their stock - just PP. 

It's literally an SNL skit. 

See, I didn't blame Muslims, I just find it funny and ironic that those who are likely to be at the front of the line for public beheadings (abortionists, and various other far left feminists) are the biggest cheerleaders for more Sharia law in our country.

[Scout26]

To follow along with Fistful's slavery analogy, most of the US/world was okay with slavery in an abstract sense up until the publication of Uncle Tom's Cabin.

Once people were confronted with the truth of the evils of slavery the Abolitionist movement took off.


These videos force people to confront the horrors of abortion in a way that gives lie to the "Choice" and "Clump of Cells" arguments along with all the other falsehoods put out to cover their evil.

[brimic]

To follow along with Fistful's slavery analogy, most of the US/world was okay with slavery in an abstract sense up until the publication of Uncle Tom's Cabin.

Once people were confronted with the truth of the evils of slavery the Abolitionist movement took off.


These videos force people to confront the horrors of abortion in a way that gives lie to the "Choice" and "Clump of Cells" arguments along with all the other falsehoods put out to cover their evil.

I think everyone except the extremely naive knew these weren't just 'clumps of cells,' its just that there are a lot of people willing to rabidly defend their cognitive dissonance.

[Pb]

Well, half the population seems to agree with them.  So I don't think its fair to say that the science is clear and damning.

Abortion as a controversy is relatively modern, if we're talking religion or moral foundations.

Traditional Judaism has always forbidden abortion except to save the mother.

Traditional Christianity has always forbidden abortion as well.

There is nothing modern about opposition to abortion, especially religious opposition.  It has existed from the very beginning.

Now legally-

In the USA, up until the 1800's sometime, a fetus was not considered alive until movement in the womb was felt, and so abortion was generally allowed before then.  As medical science improved, doctors realized the fetus was alive prior to the "quickening" and abortion was more restricted.

[Ron]

Well, half the population seems to agree with them.  So I don't think its fair to say that the science is clear and damning.

Abortion as a controversy is relatively modern, if we're talking religion or moral foundations.

Science tells us that the little unborn babies are distinctly different humans with their own unique genetic code.

Science continues to push back the age of viability.

Science continues to fail to be able to describe what it means to be human other than describing us as bio/chemical machines.

Science offers us very little to nothing on consciousness and is mostly quiet on the moral/ethical reality of sentient beings.

Only morally deficient one dimensional materialists could possibly not see the barbaric nature of wantonly destroying little humans. Or those who chose to remain willingly ignorant of the murders that have been going on under color of law.

There is no science that can justify the horror of modern abortion.



     

[Tallpine]

I'm starting to soften my stance on those who bombed abortion "clinics" 

[Perd Hapley]

I'm starting to soften my stance on those who bombed abortion "clinics" 

The correct stance has always been, "Well, that doesn't really help."

[Tallpine]

The correct stance has always been, "Well, that doesn't really help."

Yeah - but they would say that it stopped X number of abortions murders while the place was out of commission.


At any rate, it's getting to the point where we need to apologize to the Nazis that we hanged 

[Perd Hapley]

Yeah - but they would say that it stopped X number of abortions murders while the place was out of commission.

While making it harder to shut down all the other abortuaries.

[Tallpine]

While making it harder to shut down all the other abortuaries.

Like that's ever happening ... 


Not saying I would do it or even really approve, but how many of us would intervene if we were walking down the street and saw someone murdering an infant in broad daylight - or would we say "let the political process take care of it"   

Heck, our government bombs villages in the middle east just to try to kill one supposed "terrorist" 

[Ron]

Like that's ever happening ... 


Not saying I would do it or even really approve, but how many of us would intervene if we were walking down the street and saw someone murdering an infant in broad daylight - or would we say "let the political process take care of it"   

Heck, our government bombs villages in the middle east just to try to kill one supposed "terrorist" 

But the Supreme Court has ruled!!!

[Perd Hapley]

Like that's ever happening ...  


Not saying I would do it or even really approve, but how many of us would intervene if we were walking down the street and saw someone murdering an infant in broad daylight - or would we say "let the political process take care of it"    

Heck, our government bombs villages in the middle east just to try to kill one supposed "terrorist"  

Once again,slavery. Who would have expected that to be outlawed?

Secondly, we know infants are being murdered on a regular basis, and the locations of the death camps are not secret. There's no need to wait until we see a random murder on the street. If being a one-man baby-saving militia is the right thing to do, it would be easily enough done. It would be even easier for a woman.

Thirdly,  you can mock "the political process" all you want, but that process has been powerful enough to send ~50 million children to their deaths, and stave off any attempts to put an end to it. We've seen what happens when people skirt the political process, and just shoot the abortionist. What does it do, except burden our side, while the abortion machine chugs right along?

As far as our government bombing terrorists, well, yeah. That's the political process at work. A very powerful tool to have on your side. A baleful enemy.

[lupinus]

Like that's ever happening ... 


Not saying I would do it or even really approve, but how many of us would intervene if we were walking down the street and saw someone murdering an infant in broad daylight - or would we say "let the political process take care of it"   

Heck, our government bombs villages in the middle east just to try to kill one supposed "terrorist" 

Unless and until one of two things happens I will be seriously surprised to see abortion outlawed.

Either A) the republic dissolves and comes out as a new and likely factored entity or B) We see a huge trend in states asserting themselves and telling .fedgov to *expletive deleted*ck off when the state feels fedgov is in serious error, and they take it open themselves to maintain their state law. Until one of those two things happens I simply don't see a chance in the legal policy on abortion.

I will be extremely happy to be wrong, but I doubt I will be. Remember what people are finally on the roof tops over isn't killing babies, it's ripping them apart after the fact to sell their organs and ripping their face off that is being found objectionable by the horde. Maybe if people woke up on the underlying issue of it being fine and dandy to murder babies in the first place I stand a better chance of being wrong but I doubt it.

[zxcvbob]

I will be extremely happy to be wrong, but I doubt I will be. Remember what people are finally on the roof tops over isn't killing babies, it's ripping them apart after the fact to sell their organs and ripping their face off that is being found objectionable by the horde. Maybe if people woke up on the underlying issue of it being fine and dandy to murder babies in the first place I stand a better chance of being wrong but I doubt it.

I thought in this last one, they kill a baby that was born alive *by* ripping his face off and harvesting the brain.    No, I haven't actually watched it.

[Monkeyleg]

In the video released yesterday, it's shown that they were selling whole fetuses to the lab.

[Ben]

In the video released yesterday, it's shown that they were selling whole fetuses to the lab.

So again, what happened to "amorphous clump of cells"?

Rhetorical question, of course.

[Tallpine]

Once again,slavery. Who would have expected that to be outlawed?

Secondly, we know infants are being murdered on a regular basis, and the locations of the death camps are not secret. There's no need to wait until we see a random murder on the street. If being a one-man baby-saving militia is the right thing to do, it would be easily enough done. It would be even easier for a woman.

Thirdly,  you can mock "the political process" all you want, but that process has been powerful enough to send ~50 million children to their deaths, and stave off any attempts to put an end to it. We've seen what happens when people skirt the political process, and just shoot the abortionist. What does it do, except burden our side, while the abortion machine chugs right along?

As far as our government bombing terrorists, well, yeah. That's the political process at work. A very powerful tool to have on your side. A baleful enemy.

So you agree with me then   

[lupinus]

I thought in this last one, they kill a baby that was born alive *by* ripping his face off and harvesting the brain.    No, I haven't actually watched it.

I refuse to watch, my blood boils enough at what I read I don't need to hear it. But that is my point. It's not killing the baby that got people outraged, it's only the way it was done was more barbaric than they pictured.

Maybe it will wake folks up and do sell the clump of cells BS. Maybe it won't. But it's sad as many people don't get as worked up over killing babies in the first place, regardless of the method.


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[lupinus]

So again, what happened to "amorphous clump of cells"?

Rhetorical question, of course.

Apparently the clump of cells shares an amazing amount of physical characteristics with play dough.


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[Tallpine]

Y'all think maybe that I wasn't "outraged" enough before 

Well - back 20+ years ago I was instrumental in getting a crisis pregnancy center* organized and opened in the little mountain college town where we lived in Colorado.  I'm not sure what happened to it after we left.

* offers alternatives to abortion