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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Angel Eyes on October 25, 2021, 10:38:50 AM
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https://www.springfield-armory.com/sa-35-series-handguns/sa-35-handguns/
Could be fun. Don't know anything about the project other than Springfield's hype.
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I actually think that is pretty cool. I would want to wait until it has been in the wild for a while, but it would be of interest to me. I'd have to stick an ambi safety on it, but otherwise I like it.
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For some reason my brain thought this said a "Hi Point" clone. Then I pulled up the link and "Oh, wow, a Hi Power clone!". =D :facepalm:
Looks interesting. I have never owned a Hi Power, but always thought about getting one. The FN guns were always just a bit more than I wanted to pay. I have been eyeing the Turkish copies when I see them. I bet this is a modified Turkish gun with SA's name on it. $700 MSRP might end up in the affordable range.
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Says MSRP $600-$699 so figure $500-$600 over the counter.
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For some reason my brain thought this said a "Hi Point" clone.
Yeesh, don't say that. Not even in jest.
I bet this is a modified Turkish gun with SA's name on it.
From Springfield's web page:
Made in the U.S.A., the SA-35 features rugged forged steel parts for strength and durability, improved ergonomics and enhanced controls, modern sights, an improved feed ramp design, and an increased 15-round capacity. The factory-tuned trigger benefits greatly from the removal of the magazine disconnect found in the original P-35 design allowing for a smooth pull and crisp, clean break.
At least they had the good sense to remove the mag disconnect. That abomination was the spawn of Satan.
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At least they had the good sense to remove the mag disconnect. That abomination was the spawn of Satan.
Man, I did not even check that. I'm glad to see it won't be sold in CA. When I was still living there, I bought exactly zero pistols after that stupid law went into effect. I won't abide a defensive pistol with a magazine disconnect.
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"The factory-tuned trigger benefits greatly from the removal of the magazine disconnect found in the original P-35 design allowing for a smooth pull and crisp, clean break"
I always equated magazine disconnects to a serious and dangerous design defect.
I always wanted a Hi-Power, so this semiclone sounds appealing.
We're not supposed to denigrate classes of people, but there really is a deep psychiatric problem with the California electorate in general.
Terry, 230RN
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Yeesh, don't say that. Not even in jest.
From Springfield's web page:
At least they had the good sense to remove the mag disconnect. That abomination was the spawn of Satan.
That and the upgraded sights do make it more appealing to me.
Maybe they can do a version 45 ACP. =D
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Did a quick search on youtube and several reviews pop up including The Firearms Blog. I guess a number of people had them for review.
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The FN high power and the HK P7s are a couple of guns I always wanted to own but never did.
I’m leaning toward a RIA STK100 with MRD optic as my next purchase in a full size handgun.
Off topic as usual but I have an interesting FN high power story.
A relative of mine married an Iranian national many years ago. Before coming to America to finish his studies and eventually become a freedom and flag loving citizen he had worked as the equivalent of secret service for the shah of Iran. He had a FN HP and we went out to my uncles farm to shoot it. I was probably 12 years old or so. What I remember was it was parkerized and totally sterile with no markings serial numbers or anything anywhere on it. He is no longer living and I have no idea what ever happened to it. I also recall that when the shah was overthrown and in protective custody in California he got a call to escort the shahs son from college in Texas to the family in California. My dad drove him to the airport where they were holding a plane on the runway for him. He was met by 2 men in suits and a dark sedan at the service gate and they zoomed out to the waiting plane. No security or anything and I’m pretty sure he had the HP in a shoulder holster.
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I have an FM (Argentina) Hi Power. It does not have a mag disconnect, but I think it's supposed to have one. I didn't remove it; it came from the importer that way. I really like it. I took the rubber grips off and added some checkered rosewood grips. (was going to get holly grips which look like ivory but I waited too long and they disappeared off the market)
I'm a lefty and the gun has a right-handed safety, but I like everything else about it.
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Excellent news.
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Maybe I'll start saving my pennies for one of these...
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I wonder if Springfield will have some aftermarket grips for it that say "Grip Zone". =D
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My Hipower walked off several years ago.inhave the box around here somewhere. I need a reliable 9MM, might need to look into this.
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Anyone else think they're trying for a retro vibe? :laugh:
(https://d7g7q7y3.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/sa35-tuned-trigger-desktop-2.jpg)
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Anyone else think they're trying for a retro vibe? :laugh:
(https://d7g7q7y3.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/sa35-tuned-trigger-desktop-2.jpg)
Retro? Nah, they're aiming right at me and my kind, fellow kids. =D
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I just found my box. Couldn't remember who made it. Looks like FEG Mauser 80SA. It was a nice looking pistol.
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Brownells has it listed at $679. Not in stock yet.
https://www.brownells.com/aspx/search/productdetail.aspx?sid=262120&pid=144656&trk_msg=6ONQPOE1G5NK37URUJA19B21MG&trk_contact=5HODPFHLQF1DBVN85D58FA3I1S&trk_sid=MTNUFAUBPJV0TA1VHV9827N070&trk_link=R71AHP2TQ6S4JCK56E7J8JO81G&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=LEARN+MORE+%2f+PRE-ORDER+NOW&utm_campaign=2021_10_25_Springfield&utm_content=Handgun
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Retro? Nah, they're aiming right at me and my kind, fellow kids. =D
Perd's just miffed that it isn't tupperware.
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Perd's just miffed that it isn't tupperware.
Perd is miffed that he still doesn't own an M1A or a Springfield 1911. =(
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Anyone else think they're trying for a retro vibe? :laugh:
(https://d7g7q7y3.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/sa35-tuned-trigger-desktop-2.jpg)
Regardless, that's a nice looking hand gun.
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So I was reading a couple of articles on it, and apparently for the original P-35, it was the French who insisted on the mag disconnect, and then after Browning and FN complied, the French army went with another handgun.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/springfield-armory-sa-35-high-power-classic-modern-american/
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And... Next, do you think we could talk 'em into making an M1 carbine in 5.7?
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And... Next, do you think we could talk 'em into making an M1 carbine in 5.7?
5.7x28?
Why?
More expensive and far less powerful.
Now if your talking 5.7 Johnson, otherwise known as 22 Spitfire, it's has already been done by several M1C manufacturers and has over double the energy of 5.7x28 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Spitfire
The only advantage 5.7x28 has over either 30C or 5.7J is it only requires a straight blowback
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Want.
Brad
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I always thought the HiPower was one of the classiest looking pistols ever made. :cool:
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5.7x28?
Why?
More expensive and far less powerful.
Now if your talking 5.7 Johnson, otherwise known as 22 Spitfire, it's has already been done by several M1C manufacturers and has over double the energy of 5.7x28 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Spitfire
The only advantage 5.7x28 has over either 30C or 5.7J is it only requires a straight blowback
There are a lot of things I would love to see, but I doubt they would be popular enough to justify the cost.
I always thought a shrunk down M1 Garand using enbloc clips with 5.56 or something similar would be a neat gun and might sell in some ban states, but it wouldn't be cheap and other guns probably fit the market better and would be more useful. Probably end up being too much like a Mini14.
If you are going to design a new rifle, I don't see the point of using 30 carbine anymore.
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I'm a big fan of the BHP, and often carry one. A few thoughts come to mind from reading this story . . .
1. Good riddance to the magazine disconnect.
2. I wonder if the "tuned" trigger also has a shorter reset - the long reset is the one thing I'm really not fond of. Cylinder & Slide advertised trigger parts for a shorter reset - never tried one so modified myself.
3. Forged frame and slide. Hope they did a good job - Browning's later cast frames had a reputation for being stronger than the earlier forged frame. Alloy and heat treat made the difference.
4. Will it take original BHP magazines, or - since it uses 15 round mags - are they incompatible?
5. Hope the front sight is sturdier than the ramp sight Browning put on their adjustable sight pistols - the tall Browning ramp had a tendency to break off.
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If you are going to design a new rifle, I don't see the point of using 30 carbine anymore.
I would love to see something along the lines of a P90/PS90 in 30C. Of course it would have use a locked breech system instead of blowback so it would have to be a bit beefier. The magazines would be basically unchanged*. The result would a handy little bullpup carbine just a touch bigger than the current PS90 firing rounds with 3x the energy of 5.7x28.
*Think the 30C case has bit of a taper that may be an issue over a certain number of rounds though.
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And how about Beretta CX4 in 357sig? 357sig out of a 16" barrel is a smoking little round.
Or maybe even 10mm
Come on Beretta! Are you listening?
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"Configured without a magazine disconnect for a drop free magazine."
Now that is a nice touch.
Anyone know if it uses standard High Power mags?
Couple of people here at the office are talking about it; apparently it only comes with one magazine.
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Holy *expletive deleted*it, $700 MSRP?
I was figuring over $1,000 in that configuration.
Hopefully it's reliable; that's a great price. Obviously made overseas, though.
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Holy *expletive deleted*it, $700 MSRP?
I was figuring over $1,000 in that configuration.
Hopefully it's reliable; that's a great price. Obviously made overseas, though.
The pictures I have seen show the slide and frame marked as made in Illinois. Can they import rough forgings and still say that?
One link I saw said it could take older HiPower mags.
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"The pictures I have seen show the slide and frame marked as made in Illinois. Can they import rough forgings and still say that?"
Good question; I don't know the answer to that.
The only way I'd consider getting one is if they brought it out in .357 Sig or .40 S&W.
I've already got a High Power that I absolutely love.
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The only thing I ever got that was dad's is his HP. It's not going anywhere.
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. . . The only way I'd consider getting one is if they brought it out in .357 Sig or .40 S&W . . .
Browning beefed up the design when they brought it out in .40 - among other things, I think they added an extra recoil lug to the barrel, so making this new BHP a .40 or .357 Sig would require more than a simple rechambering. In fact, for a while there was a cottage industry in converting the beefed up .40s to 9mm, since some of the practical shooting crowd was enamored of making "9mm Major" pistols for their shooting games, and the stock BHP was considered to be too weak for the required overloads of 9mm Major ammo.
In fact, earlier BHPs were rumored to be "weak" when it came to extensive use, but later BHPs - with cast frames - were said to be stronger. Some sources said the BHP should not be used with "+P" ammo, but there was an article in American Rifleman (Nov 1989) referencing an internal Browning report that a BHP digested 5000 rounds of Remington "+P+" ammo without issue.
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I've got two Belgian Hi-Powers so I'm not really in the market for this, but it's a nice design so if they make it work reliably and be as pretty as it is in the photos they should sell a few at this price point. That's a good price for a new Hi-Power clone.
I don't see these making lots of inroads into the CCW lineup, but as a range gun that people take out and have fun with? Sure, it could do well at that.
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Hopefully it's reliable; that's a great price. Obviously made overseas, though.
Springfield claims it's made in the USA.
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Browning beefed up the design when they brought it out in .40 - among other things, I think they added an extra recoil lug to the barrel, so making this new BHP a .40 or .357 Sig would require more than a simple rechambering. In fact, for a while there was a cottage industry in converting the beefed up .40s to 9mm, since some of the practical shooting crowd was enamored of making "9mm Major" pistols for their shooting games, and the stock BHP was considered to be too weak for the required overloads of 9mm Major ammo.
In fact, earlier BHPs were rumored to be "weak" when it came to extensive use, but later BHPs - with cast frames - were said to be stronger. Some sources said the BHP should not be used with "+P" ammo, but there was an article in American Rifleman (Nov 1989) referencing an internal Browning report that a BHP digested 5000 rounds of Remington "+P+" ammo without issue.
Oh, I know. I was on staff at Rifleman when they announced the .40 version and I got to take a good hard look at one of the first ones in the country.
It wasn't long after they introduced it that they had to do a recall of the first several thousand because of either a design or manufacturing error that resulted in a bunch of problems.
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Springfield claims it's made in the USA.
Yeah, we were discussing that. I can't see them being able to forge a High Power copy and be able to keep the unit price that low.
Someone mentioned that they might be importing rough forgings from overseas and finishing them here.
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I'm a big fan of the BHP, and often carry one. A few thoughts come to mind from reading this story . . .
1. Good riddance to the magazine disconnect.
2. I wonder if the "tuned" trigger also has a shorter reset - the long reset is the one thing I'm really not fond of. Cylinder & Slide advertised trigger parts for a shorter reset - never tried one so modified myself.
3. Forged frame and slide. Hope they did a good job - Browning's later cast frames had a reputation for being stronger than the earlier forged frame. Alloy and heat treat made the difference.
4. Will it take original BHP magazines, or - since it uses 15 round mags - are they incompatible?
TFB-TV vid on it said yes, will take original mags.
5. Hope the front sight is sturdier than the ramp sight Browning put on their adjustable sight pistols - the tall Browning ramp had a tendency to break off.
Dovetailed. Do what you want with the sight.
How long before we see "optics ready!" versions?
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The pictures I have seen show the slide and frame marked as made in Illinois. Can they import rough forgings and still say that?
One link I saw said it could take older HiPower mags.
I'm not that far from Geneseco.
One of my customers* runs a CNC place (https://protocutter.com/), and told me once "you wouldn't believe how much gun work there is around here." I know I have seen gun parts in the raw at several other customer's I've been in over the years.
it is conceivable. (But at the price?)
*(Same guy also now owns a gun related company that some of you would recognize, but never mind that now.)
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I had a Belgium Hi-Pwer back in the early 2000’s and like a dumb*ss I traded it towards a Ruger SRH in .44 Mag…… :facepalm:
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Someone mentioned that they might be importing rough forgings from overseas and finishing them here.
IIRC, that's how they build the Springfield TRPs. I have one and I'm pretty sure the frame was forged in Brazil and then everything else was completed here. I think they even did/do that with the TRP Pro. My TRP is circa 1998. Not sure what current production does.
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IIRC, that's how they build the Springfield TRPs. I have one and I'm pretty sure the frame was forged in Brazil and then everything else was completed here. I think they even did/do that with the TRP Pro. My TRP is circa 1998. Not sure what current production does.
Pretty sure my TRP was forged in Brazil also.
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I have an SA 1911-A1 Mil Spec that I picked up in the mid 1990s. Not sure how it's marked, but I think even back then SA was forging their frames OCONUS and finishing them here.
My High Power I picked up around the same time from a neighbor who was moving. He bought it, shot it once, and that was it. It had a $499 sticker on the box; I think I gave him $300 for it.
The only change I made to it was to remove the wood stocks and replace them with a Hogue rubber wrap around. Made ALL the difference in the world as to how it fit my hand.
Right now it's in my living room as my house gun.
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For some reason my brain thought this said a "Hi Point" clone. Then I pulled up the link and "Oh, wow, a Hi Power clone!". =D :facepalm:
Looks interesting. I have never owned a Hi Power, but always thought about getting one. The FN guns were always just a bit more than I wanted to pay. I have been eyeing the Turkish copies when I see them. I bet this is a modified Turkish gun with SA's name on it. $700 MSRP might end up in the affordable range.
You were not alone in this.
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Pretty sure my TRP was forged in Brazil also.
I saw an SA 1911-A1 at a pawn shop at lunch. It said Illinois on one part of the frame, but said F1 Brazil (or something like that) in a spot toward the muzzle end. I didn't notice that on the SA-35 photos unless they left off that marking or moved it.
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I saw an SA 1911-A1 at a pawn shop at lunch. It said Illinois on one part of the frame, but said F1 Brazil (or something like that) in a spot toward the muzzle end. I didn't notice that on the SA-35 photos unless they left off that marking or moved it.
I just grabbed my TRP. It only says "Genesco" on it. At least on the outside. I didn't take it apart to see if there is something inside the frame.
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I have an SA 1911-A1 Mil Spec that I picked up in the mid 1990s. Not sure how it's marked, but I think even back then SA was forging their frames OCONUS and finishing them here.
'99 (I think) I bought a Springfield Loaded for my brother who as living in Japan at the time. (I had custody until they moved to the US a few years later.) Frame on that one said Brazil.
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And... Next, do you think we could talk 'em into making an M1 carbine in 5.7?
Rather have one in .357 magnum.
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I just grabbed my TRP. It only says "Genesco" on it. At least on the outside. I didn't take it apart to see if there is something inside the frame.
Well, mine is newer than yours by a little bit, 2001, and it also only has Geneseo Illinois stamped on the frame.
Maybe I was thinking of my buddies loaded? Power of suggestion? Weird.
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Well, mine is newer than yours by a little bit, 2001, and it also only has Geneseo Illinois stamped on the frame.
Maybe I was thinking of my buddies loaded? Power of suggestion? Weird.
It has been a long while, but I am pretty positive when I was doing my TRP purchase research, that everything I read said frames=Brazil. Maybe if they are unfinished there is (or was) no requirement to make a separate mention and they were able to just throw the "made in USA" stamp on them.
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I'm still puzzled by the 80s vibe in the photo. I would have expected WWII memorabilia.
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I wouldn't throw it outta my safe for associating with Tupperware...
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It has been a long while, but I am pretty positive when I was doing my TRP purchase research, that everything I read said frames=Brazil. Maybe if they are unfinished there is (or was) no requirement to make a separate mention and they were able to just throw the "made in USA" stamp on them.
Springfield Armory had a contract with Imbel of Brazil. Until some time around 2010 ALL Springfield 1911 frames and slides came from Imbel. The lower-end pistols were completely assembled in Brazil and were marked "Made in Brazil." The fine print of the law allowed Springfield to import the parts for the higher end guns from Brazil, assemble them in the U.S., and legally mark them as "Made in USA."
Since approximately 2010 that arrangement is no longer in effect. I don't think Springfield sources any 1911 parts or guns from Brazil now.
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This thread needs a new direction....
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/mossberg-464-30-30-win-lever-action-rifle/452797
https://www.mossberg.com/product/464-centerfire-lever-action-rifle-straight-grip-41010/
I came across this in a TSRA email. I hadn't realized Mossberg made a Winchester clone. I guess it isn't new. I don't see it in stock anywhere, but the price looks more affordable than most.
Any of you ever fired one of the Mossberg lever rifles?
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"Configured without a magazine disconnect for a drop free magazine."
Now that is a nice touch.
Anyone know if it uses standard High Power mags?
Couple of people here at the office are talking about it; apparently it only comes with one magazine.
IIRC from the TFB video, mags are compatible in both directions.
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I came across this in a TSRA email. I hadn't realized Mossberg made a Winchester clone. I guess it isn't new. I don't see it in stock anywhere, but the price looks more affordable than most.
I didn't, either. And it looks like a nice one.
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If they wanted to really get me all hot and bothered and yelling SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! they would chamber one in .30 Luger...
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IIRC from the TFB video, mags are compatible in both directions.
That is what I'm hearing from the videos, as well.
I know Brandon-all about HiPowers, but my understanding is that the 15-round magazines are just a higher-capacity design, made to be used in standard HiPowers.
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$1,500+ :O
Online Gun Shops Price Gouging on Springfield SA-35!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Bz5ZYqF5M
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$1,500+ :O
Online Gun Shops Price Gouging on Springfield SA-35!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Bz5ZYqF5M
There's STILL price gouging going on with ammunition, so why should anyone be surprised that there's price gouging going on with at least SOME guns?
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I know Brandon-all about HiPowers, but my understanding is that the 15-round magazines are just a higher-capacity design, made to be used in standard HiPowers.
Correct. The Meg-Gar 15-rounders fit flush in a Browning HiPower.
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Turkish Girsan P35, a little cheaper, has mag disconnect.
https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/girsan-mc-p35-worthy-browning-hi-power-clone
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This thread needs a new direction....
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/mossberg-464-30-30-win-lever-action-rifle/452797
https://www.mossberg.com/product/464-centerfire-lever-action-rifle-straight-grip-41010/
I came across this in a TSRA email. I hadn't realized Mossberg made a Winchester clone. I guess it isn't new. I don't see it in stock anywhere, but the price looks more affordable than most.
Any of you ever fired one of the Mossberg lever rifles?
Has Mossberg discontinued that lever action? The second link doesn't work, and I can't find the gun on their web site.
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Has Mossberg discontinued that lever action? The second link doesn't work, and I can't find the gun on their web site.
You might be right. I got this sight to come up from a search, but is blank.
https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/rifles/lever-action-rifles/
A search also came up with sites that showed it in stock for less than $400. I can only assume those were fake sites.
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Now FN is getting back into the game. Sort of...
https://youtu.be/PloBxyk00vc