McCain really does want to lose...

[longeyes]

McCain is a modern man, an "evolved man," hence A Man Who Cannot Get Angry.  He bought into the passive-aggressive games a long time ago.  Who here hasn't been disarmed of his anger by being told it's not permissible to be angry?  This is at the core of the whole contemporary cult of victimhood.  The Left has learned how to play this, and so long as we have a culture built around the values that now rule it will only get worse.

[De Selby]

McCain is a modern man, an "evolved man," hence A Man Who Cannot Get Angry.  He bought into the passive-aggressive games a long time ago.  Who here hasn't been disarmed of his anger by being told it's not permissible to be angry?  This is at the core of the whole contemporary cult of victimhood.  The Left has learned how to play this, and so long as we have a culture built around the values that now rule it will only get worse.

McCain doesn't get angry? This is the guy who called his wife a c-word with caked on makeup in front of the press, and who reached across the table to throttle a Sandinista rep in Nicaragua talks....He's known for flying off the handle in outbursts of rage in Washington. 

[SteveS]

Now we are being told, en masse, that our honor isn't permissible.  That is to say, we are being threatened.  Folks, we are in the anteroom of brownshirt fascism.

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Labor warns McCain about crowds

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor October 10, 2008 04:43 PM
The head of the nation's biggest labor federation is joining the chorus of voices warning about the increasingly angry crowds coming to John McCain's campaign events.
At rallies this week, McCain's criticisms of Democrat Barack Obama have been met with shouts of "terrorist," "liar," and other harsh words.

"Sen. John McCain, Gov. Sarah Palin and the leadership of the Republican party have a fundamental moral responsibility to denounce the violent rhetoric that has pervaded recent McCain and Palin political rallies," said John Sweeney, president of the AFL-CIO, which has endorsed Obama. "When rally attendees shout out such attacks as 'terrorist' or 'kill him' about Sen. Barack Obama, when they are cheered on by crowds incited by McCain-Palin rhetoric -- it is chilling that McCain and Palin do nothing to object.

"In a world where unspeakable violence is too often promulgated by extremists, it is no small or trivial matter to call someone a terrorist -- or to incite potentially dangerous individuals toward violence," Sweeney said in a statement. "John McCain, Sarah Palin and Republican leaders are walking a very thin line in pretending not to hear the hateful invectives spewed at their rallies. McCain should end this line of attack in the strongest possible terms. Anything less puts McCain in the same camp as the racists and extremists who are bringing their angry rhetoric to his campaign events."

I fail to see the connection between brownshirts and these statements.  It sounds like he is saying that the Republicans should do a better job of discouraging comments like "kill him."  It doesn't say "or else". 

Anderson Cooper did a "report" on some people at McCain rallies.  There were clips of people that were mad that McCain hasn't been more aggressive towrds Obama.  Unfortunately, Cooper left off McCain's comments.  He told one of the people that Obama was honorable and a good family man, hardly comments trying to incite a crowd to say hateful things.  McCain was foolish to say he would never resort to attack ads.  They work and I am surprised that we made it this long without being bombarded with them. 

I don't think McCain wants to lose.  He had a tough road all along. 

[Monkeyleg]

What's McCain supposed to say? "Barack Obama is a lying, socialistic, baby-killing charlatan who will raise your taxes, destroy our military, leave our country more vulnerable to terrorist attacks, ruin our economy, and say anything to get your vote. But I have the utmost respect for Senator Obama."

[Tallpine]

What's McCain supposed to say? "Barack Obama is a lying, socialistic, baby-killing charlatan who will raise your taxes, destroy our military, leave our country more vulnerable to terrorist attacks, ruin our economy, and say anything to get your vote. But I have the utmost respect for Senator Obama."

You left out the confiscating guns part :(

[longeyes]

McCain doesn't get angry? This is the guy who called his wife a c-word with caked on makeup in front of the press, and who reached across the table to throttle a Sandinista rep in Nicaragua talks....He's known for flying off the handle in outbursts of rage in Washington. 

No more "outbursts," I'll wager, than any of us on this forum.

But my point was: When he NEEDS to get angry, he can't or won't.

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I fail to see the connection between brownshirts and these statements.  It sounds like he is saying that the Republicans should do a better job of discouraging comments like "kill him."  It doesn't say "or else".

McCain's being told to lay off, throttle back, by "Labor."  Either you get the connection or you don't.  I would hardly call the McCain campaign, to date, one that runs on hate, would you?  If anything it's too meek and mild.

[Werewolf]

What's McCain supposed to say? "Barack Obama is a lying, socialistic, baby-killing charlatan who will raise your taxes, destroy our military, leave our country more vulnerable to terrorist attacks, ruin our economy, and say anything to get your vote. But I have the utmost respect for Senator Obama."

That'd be a good start. Of course he'd have to have his spin meisters reword it a bit but still a good start.

[SteveS]

McCain's being told to lay off, throttle back, by "Labor."  Either you get the connection or you don't.  I would hardly call the McCain campaign, to date, one that runs on hate, would you?  If anything it's too meek and mild.

I understand the connection, I just think it is too big of a leap between that comment and brownshirts.  I guess time will tell.

McCain hasn't run a nasty campaign.  I think the suggestions that he is motivating potential assassins or is some kind of racist are just ridiculous.

[longeyes]

I see that McCain is going back on the Letterman show this coming Thursday night.

Ah, "reaching out" again?  To a man who has been systematically vicious?  There is a word for this kind of irrational obeisance to your oppressor: P T S D.

That's how it looks from here.  An obsession with taking yet more punishment.  Believe me, it gives me no pleasure to see this, but I don't know how else to explain it.

[MicroBalrog]

I understand the connection, I just think it is too big of a leap between that comment and brownshirts.  I guess time will tell.

McCain hasn't run a nasty campaign.  I think the suggestions that he is motivating potential assassins or is some kind of racist are just ridiculous.

You know, your country starts sounding more and more like mine. It's disturbing.

[gunsmith]

 I am now praying daily that McCain wins, we need a miracle.

[SteveS]

You know, your country starts sounding more and more like mine. It's disturbing.

I wish I could say otherwise, but I agree with you. 

[grampster]

McCain believes by talking about nothing, being bland, ignoring reality, being polite, and praising Obama, he will attract the 4 or 5 % of the voters who claim to be independent or undecided and they will make him POTUS. 

He is wrong, but nobody has the balls to tell him that.  Plus he's to bullheaded to listen even if they did.

How did we wind  up with that boring, stiff, bland, uninteresting bureaucrat as our candidate when we had Rudy and Romney, who would have taken the gloves off and Obama would have been a footnote rather than president elect.

[MicroBalrog]

How did we wind  up with that boring, stiff, bland, uninteresting bureaucrat as our candidate when we had Rudy and Romney, who would have taken the gloves off and Obama would have been a footnote rather than president elect.

Romney was far worse. Look up his record and connections. He was connected to a company that abused children on a global scale. It would have come back to bite him.

Rudy, admittedly,  was better than McCain. Rudy was merely corrupt - McCain is ideologically moderate.

[Balog]

I see that McCain is going back on the Letterman show this coming Thursday night.

Ah, "reaching out" again?  To a man who has been systematically vicious?  There is a word for this kind of irrational obeisance to your oppressor: P T S D.

That's how it looks from here.  An obsession with taking yet more punishment.  Believe me, it gives me no pleasure to see this, but I don't know how else to explain it.

You obviously have no *expletive deleted*ing idea what PTSD actually is. If he really did curse out his wife in public (source?) and throttled some dude at a negotiation table that'd be PTSD. You seem to be thinking of Stockholm Syndrome. In any case, comparing me and the other vets on here who deal with some variant of PTSD (and I can think of several) with McCain's spineless idiocy is massively insulting.

[agricola]

McCain believes by talking about nothing, being bland, ignoring reality, being polite, and praising Obama, he will attract the 4 or 5 % of the voters who claim to be independent or undecided and they will make him POTUS. 

He is wrong, but nobody has the balls to tell him that.  Plus he's to bullheaded to listen even if they did.

How did we wind  up with that boring, stiff, bland, uninteresting bureaucrat as our candidate when we had Rudy and Romney, who would have taken the gloves off and Obama would have been a footnote rather than president elect.

One should point out that Romney and Rudi were so wildly successful and popular that McCain trounced them both during the Primaries.

As for this, I think McCain did the right thing by taking the mic off that woman.  Obama may be many things - socialist, friends with terrorists, a teller of colossal fibs, gun grabber, dangerously naive in an empty suite Blairite way - but he is not an Arab.  It is quite obvious that he isnt.

As for Letterman, yes he did get abused but it shows character to go back - especially if he has a pop back at him. 

[longeyes]

You obviously have no *expletive deleted*ing idea what PTSD actually is. If he really did curse out his wife in public (source?) and throttled some dude at a negotiation table that'd be PTSD. You seem to be thinking of Stockholm Syndrome. In any case, comparing me and the other vets on here who deal with some variant of PTSD (and I can think of several) with McCain's spineless idiocy is massively insulting.

Maybe I don't.  Maybe the exact medical term, if there is one, doesn't matter.  I don't see what McCain's behavior has to do with you or any other vet.  My intention was not to insult anyone here who has served in the military, only to explain--at least to myself--the peculiarity of McCain's behavior.  Stockholm Syndrome and PTSD are not mutually exclusive, to my knowledge, but what I see is a man who seems oddly traumatized.  Perhaps there are other, more mundane, explanations for his behavior, and you are certainly welcome to offer them.

[slingshot]

I'm convinced that McCain does not want to win badly enough.  Believe me the Democrats have no problem in this department.  Maybe if we saw a little of that temper of his, people might think he has some guts NOW not when he was a POW.

The Democrats caused the Fannie Mae-Freddie Mac problem which brought down AIG to its knees. It started with Carter and ended with Bill Clinton.  The Democrats actually have people convinced that it is Bush's fault.  This business of sub-prime loans has been tried before and it didn't work.  The whole Democratic leadership should be tossed out on their ear for this mess.   So what are the American people doing?  They are supporting a %x& socialist for president to solve all our problems.  They want to turn this country into a France.  That country works so so well....  just walk down the street and breath in the sweet smells.

[longeyes]

Is that the socialist to come or the socialist in the White House right now?

What we have going on right now is a form of fascism, an unholy marriage of big corporations and government.  The other labels are meaningless. 

How many of the people calling the shots right now were even elected?   And is anyone questioning the Constitutionality of these actions?

Yes, the American people, like McCain, are oddly passive.  They just want to be taken care of any way possible.  Rent NETWORK.  It was right on 35 years ago, but we have no Howard Beale this time.

[seeker_two]

Is that the socialist to come or the socialist in the White House right now?

What we have going on right now is a form of fascism, an unholy marriage of big corporations and government.  The other labels are meaningless. 

How many of the people calling the shots right now were even elected?   And is anyone questioning the Constitutionality of these actions?

Yes, the American people, like McCain, are oddly passive.  They just want to be taken care of any way possible.  Rent NETWORK.  It was right on 35 years ago, but we have no Howard Beale this time.