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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2011, 04:17:05 PM »
As if nobody saw this coming.   ;/

Headline title: Lauren Pierce, President Of College Republicans At University Of Texas At Austin: Obama Assassination 'Tempting'

Actual statement, on twitter: "Y'all as tempting as it may be, don't shoot Obama. We need him to go down in history as the WORST president we've EVER had! #2012."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/obama-assassination-lauren-pierce_n_1098280.html


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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2011, 06:30:30 PM »
My vocabulary has failed me today. What is a good single word that aptly describes taking a statement grossly out of context and intent and using it smear the author?

"Journalism"
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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2011, 07:03:19 PM »
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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2011, 03:30:35 PM »
Wow !! [popcorn]

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Accused White House Shooter: 'I Am the Modern Day Jesus Christ'





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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2011, 05:38:27 PM »
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Accused White House Shooter: 'I Am the Modern Day Jesus Christ'

He's delusional. Everyone knows that John Lennon was the modern day Jesus Christ (although that's not what Lennon said).

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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2011, 06:11:47 PM »
Perhaps he's a time traveler from the future who tried to fix history ?    :lol:
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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2011, 06:32:49 PM »
As if nobody saw this coming.   ;/

Headline title: Lauren Pierce, President Of College Republicans At University Of Texas At Austin: Obama Assassination 'Tempting'

Actual statement, on twitter: "Y'all as tempting as it may be, don't shoot Obama. We need him to go down in history as the WORST president we've EVER had! #2012."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/obama-assassination-lauren-pierce_n_1098280.html


My vocabulary has failed me today. What is a good single word that aptly describes taking a statement grossly out of context and intent and using it smear the author?

I try not to say it in public, but I agree with the sentiment. I hope Obama has a long and healthy life so he can grow old and become as irrelevant as Jimmy Carter. Last thing we need is a martyr.

Same with the Occupy protesters. Keep them to just having dead Che. While a waste of oxygen, they don't need martyrs.
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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2011, 02:18:29 PM »
I agree. PLEASE do NOT shoot that SOB! Look at the chain of his successors!!!! To "improve" the situation you would need to take the top... what, FIVE to get to anyone sufficiently better than Obozo in power! (and I do NOT advise attempting THAT either!)  :facepalm:
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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2011, 03:34:51 PM »
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I hope Obama has a long and healthy life so he can grow old and become as irrelevant as Jimmy Carter.

That right there.
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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2011, 04:35:29 PM »
I agree. PLEASE do NOT shoot that SOB! Look at the chain of his successors!!!! To "improve" the situation you would need to take the top... what, FIVE to get to anyone sufficiently better than Obozo in power!

News Headline: Tea Party member states government-decapitating multiple assassinations of top government leadership "needed."    :police:
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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2011, 04:30:52 AM »
I agree. PLEASE do NOT shoot that SOB! Look at the chain of his successors!!!! To "improve" the situation you would need to take the top... what, FIVE to get to anyone sufficiently better than Obozo in power! (and I do NOT advise attempting THAT either!)

If you take out the top five, that leaves Geithner in charge.  You think that's an improvement?

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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2011, 08:50:10 AM »
If you take out the top five, that leaves Geithner in charge.  You think that's an improvement?

Isn't the speaker third after POTUS and VPOTUS

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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2011, 08:58:47 AM »
Line of succession:

Veep
Speaker of the House
President Pro Tempore of the Senate
Sec-State
Sec-Treasury
Sec-Defense
Attorney General
Sec-Interior
Sec-Agriculture
Sec-Commerce
Sec-Labor
Sec-Health and Human Services
Sec-Housing and Urban Development
Sec-Transportation
Sec-Energy
Sec-Education
Sec-Veterans Affairs
Sec-Homeland Security


(You know, I would have thought the Sec-Energy, whose department handles our nuclear weapons, would have been a bit higher on the list, certainly above HUD.)

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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2011, 09:09:54 AM »
I thought the line of succession went through the elected members of Congress before it got to the Cabinet appointees.....  =|
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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2011, 10:10:20 AM »
Nope.  The succession order was designed NOT to institute a pecking order in congress, to maintain federalism in the executive side.  I thought the succession order was designed to replace the executive, so it was chosen (with the exception of the speaker and pro tem) to work through cabinet members, who were appointed by the executive, and thus share whatever mandate or philosophy they were elected under.  The order of the cabinet positions was designed to address the most important needs of the country in such a situation...at least that's how it appears to me:
Speaker--as the majority selected leader of the "people's house" the speaker is the closest thing we have to a PM, so his/her position immediately after the pres and "backup pres" is obvious
Pro-tem--wasn't the succession order codified before direct election of senators?  Regardless, the next closest thing we have to a PM after the speaker

The cabinet positions then are backups to the backups, in keeping with thoughts above:
State--maintaining our international relations and stability of diplomacy to prevent looking vulnerable with the loss of an executive
Treasury--det that has the most insight into all domestic activities, economic stability is key
Defense--obvious, see state
AG--domestic oversight is substantial, and rule of law extremely important
Interior--???  Yeah, I don't get this one
Agriculture--throwback to when it was codified
Commerce--see treasury
Labor through HUD--WTF
Energy--true to previous point, but while DOE controls the devices, delivery is defense.  DOE is safeguards and maint.
Education and VA--just filling out the list...if you got this far, we are fracked anyway
DHS--last because the new guy is the "pledge" in this fraternity

Given modern concerns, I would make it:
POTUS
VPOTUS
Speaker
Pro-tem
State
Defense
Treasury
AG
Commerce

Namely because I believe DHS and VA should be part of defense (splitting VA away reflects the adversarial union-management construct that was required, but I don't believe is needed any more); Ed, energy, HHS, and HUD should be eliminated; interior, agriculture, transportation and labor should be minimized and rolled up into commerce.

Basically, the commerce related parts of HHS, HUD, energy, agriculture, and labor should be part of commerce--to allow for elimination of redundancy and better coordination.  All the defense related parts should be rolled up under defense--DOE weapons, VA, DHS.  All the law enforcement is under AG, and should be. 

The problem is we have too many departments that have redundant functions and thus waste.

What if (continuing my thread jack) we did the above, the budget would have the following categories:
Defense
Diplomacy (including international commerce)
Law enforcement
Treasury
Commerce (internal commerce)

Execution of all entitlements would then fall under commerce.

I think this would allow joe citizen to see what the priorities of the country were:
$ in defense--concerned with international security and our interest from a military perspective
$ in diplomacy--the carrot, but with a single budget encapsulating all international non-military relations--think the foreign side of the Japanese MITI
$ in law enforcement--obvious
$ in treasury--should be minimal budget
$ in commerce--all domestic spending

As a strict constitutionalist/libertarian, this gives us the best breakdown--the top three are specific constitutional powers, and thus, provided (wishful thinking, as is all of this) we actually took a fine-tooth comb to "regulate interstate commerce" and "provide for the common welfare" all the targets would be in a single part of the budget--commerce and that department could be held responsible to public opinion--too much entitlements, not enough infrastructure--refine commerce budget. 

Combine with a real BBA, limiting emergency spending to ONLY the first three (with supermajority requirements for deficit spending in those line items--after all, if it is a real emergency, convincing 2/3rds of congress to vote for it shouldn't be hard), and one could see that fiscal progress could be made.

Education, HHS, HUD, etc should be state issues, allowing states to compete without federal interference.

Anyway, just a random Sunday morning rant...apologies for errors, omissions, or lack of deep thoughts, still waking up.


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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2011, 10:59:05 AM »
More Threadjack!  (The official APS sport.)

Stripping the weapons section of DOE out and rolling it (and it's civilian specialists) into DOD while rolling the other energy functions (oil, renewable, blah blah blah) into Commerce makes sense. But what do you do about the nuclear power generation side? Many parts of it, and associated specialists, are closely tied with the weapons side, namely fuel enrichment and processing. Do you send that part to DOD or DOC?

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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2011, 02:34:25 PM »
More Threadjack!  (The official APS sport.)

Stripping the weapons section of DOE out and rolling it (and it's civilian specialists) into DOD while rolling the other energy functions (oil, renewable, blah blah blah) into Commerce makes sense. But what do you do about the nuclear power generation side? Many parts of it, and associated specialists, are closely tied with the weapons side, namely fuel enrichment and processing. Do you send that part to DOD or DOC?

I'd put the NRC and associated civilian regulatory activities in commerce.  Actual fuel fabrication and enrichment is done by private companies now, and should remain that way.  DOE only produced civilian fuel at the very beginning.  It's been quite a while since the real expertise on power reactors was a govt function...even naval reactors are designed privately now (KAPL, etc). 

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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2011, 12:38:44 AM »
Interior--???  Yeah, I don't get this one

If the top 8 have been taken out, the guy in charge of parks and other uninhabited areas is probably a pretty good choice, since we're likely to have a lot more uninhabited/uninhabitable areas at that point.

Also, DHS at the bottom sounds good on a couple of levels; they need to be totally focused on their mission in that situation, and I don't want them in charge unless there's nobody else left.

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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2011, 08:16:17 AM »
Also, DHS at the bottom sounds good on a couple of levels; they need to be totally focused on their mission in that situation, and I don't want them in charge unless there's nobody else left.

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Re: Attempt on Obama? Or, Chicago-style attempt on 2A?
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2011, 09:31:24 AM »
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(You know, I would have thought the Sec-Energy, whose department handles our nuclear weapons, would have been a bit higher on the list, certainly above HUD.)
I think the order of the cabinet members is just the order in which the positions were established.
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