About that there global warming

[Hawkmoon]

Or "climate change," or whatever.

It appears that the climate IS changing -- but not in the direction the doomsayer acolytes are claiming.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/11/15/boston-weather-snow-snowiest-decade-northeast-storms-weatherbell-trends-beyond-the-forecast/

TL;DR summary: The northeast is getting colder, and seeing a LOT more snow than in several previous decades.

[230RN]

Wasn't it only 3 or 4 decades ago that the climatologists were proclaiming that we were heading into a new Ice Age?

And looking at the very noisy long term (400,000 years) records, I think they were right.  Despite the noise, major and minor climate cycles are apparent even to the mere unsophisticated nekkid eyeball.

Terry, 230RN

Edited to change "400,00" to "400,000."  But what's a mere order of magnitude between friends, eh?

[Hawkmoon]

Wasn't it only 3 or 4 decades ago that the climatologists were proclaiming that we were heading into a new Ice Age?

And looking at the very noisy long term (400,000 years) records, I think they were right.  Despite the noise, major and minor climate cycles are apparent even to the mere unsophisticated nekkid eyeball.

Yes, there was even a movie. I didn't see it and I don't remember the title, but I distinctly remember having seen the trailer.

https://longreads.com/2017/04/13/in-1975-newsweek-predicted-a-new-ice-age-were-still-living-with-the-consequences/

It might have been this movie, but 2004 seems too recent. My dinosaur brain thinks it was at least 10 years earlier, but I can't find it.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319262/

[230RN]

I was thinking 3 or 4 decades.  It was in a lot of the TechMech journals and if I'm not mistaken, even in Scientific American.

[Hawkmoon]

I think it's time to revive the discussion. I've got about five inches of white global warming on the ground right now, and that's unprecedented. Even when I was a kid in the 1950s (when we had "real" winters around here), the question was always whether or not we would have a white Christmas. I can't remember ever having a white Thanksgiving.

[RoadKingLarry]

During the '70s the mantra was about the impending new ice age brought on by pollution.
I don't really remember the start of the  "anthropogenic globular warmulating" thing. I think I was too busy working and destroying the environment in those days.

[Triphammer]

Late 60's early 70's the panic was a new ice age. Then came the ozone hole & banning Freon's, replacing the F12 in hairspray cans w/ propane. Blind frogs then AGW.  BTW. I don't think the Freon thing was ever proven.

[230RN]

^ "BTW. I don't think the Freon thing was ever proven."

Believe the woman environmentalists.

Because.

[Ron]

I’m shocked, who would have thought the sun could have so much influence on our climate?

[Pb]

Late 60's early 70's the panic was a new ice age. Then came the ozone hole & banning Freon's, replacing the F12 in hairspray cans w/ propane. Blind frogs then AGW.  BTW. I don't think the Freon thing was ever proven.

That's actually a success story.  The ozone damage is much improved since then, and is continuing to improve since banning some of these chemicals.

[Hawkmoon]

That's actually a success story.  The ozone damage is much improved since then, and is continuing to improve since banning some of these chemicals.

That's what they want you to believe. Have you ever seen an ozone hole? How do you know there was one? How do you know it's smaller now? And how do you know that smaller is better?

[230RN]

Late 60's early 70's the panic was a new ice age. Then came the ozone hole & banning Freon's, replacing the F12 in hairspray cans w/ propane. Blind frogs then AGW.  BTW. I don't think the Freon thing was ever proven.

That  '60s to '70s sounds more right to my ferrite core memory.

Terry, 230RN

[just Warren]

Say the climate went extreme one way or the other.

What type of planet would you find most interesting? 

An iceball or a dunescape?

And which would likely be more conducive to the survival of the species?

[MillCreek]

^^^Dune. The Spice must flow.

[just Warren]

https://www.iceagenow.info/

[charby]

TL;DR summary: The northeast is getting colder, and seeing a LOT more snow than in several previous decades.

Nothing about summer temps in that article. Need to take the annual average temp over time to see if there is warming or cooling.

[RoadKingLarry]

^^^Dune. The Spice must flow.

My name is a killing word.

[Triphammer]

That's actually a success story.  The ozone damage is much improved since then, and is continuing to improve since banning some of these chemicals.

The "hole" has been found to be rather perennial. Sometimes smaller, sometimes bigger. All in all, no affect from costing consumers millions.

[RoadKingLarry]

The "hole" has been found to be rather perennial. Sometimes smaller, sometimes bigger. All in all, no affect from costing consumers millions.

And, we actually have absolutely no idea how long it has been there.
Hell, for all we know it might have been 10X bigger 100 years ago.

[MechAg94]

True.  From what I remember, most of those chemicals do react with and remove ozone from the atmosphere.  But ozone is constantly being created as well so trying to figure out if those chemicals are removing it faster than it is replaced is a guessing game.  Banning those chemicals was probably the right thing to do.  I am sure the execution/law could have been better.  Almost all of the Hollywood doomsday stuff about it was just silly. 

[Triphammer]

They COULD react to separate the second O from ozone, provided you have free water, a chlorine compound stable enough to reach the ionosphere & UV light. And it only happened at the South Pole & only in spring when there were clouds.

[charby]

Well a lot of folks are using ozone generators as air purifiers, but iirc ozone is pretty unstable and the odds are really low on actually making it from the earth's surface to the ozone layer. Plus this is like spitting in the ocean to raise the sea level.

[bedlamite]

Can't find it, but I remember seeing a study done in the late 40's about the ozone "hole", and that was before any of the cfc's were in common use.

[Hawkmoon]

Update: https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-global-warming-earth-cooling-media-bias/

The northeastern United States has just gone though the coldest Thanksgiving since (I believe) 1871. Tell me again why I should be concerned about global warming.

More: https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-stunning-statistical-fraud-behind-the-global-warming-scare/

[AZRedhawk44]

There's a really fantastic Youtube based weekly show I watch, called TMRO.  Mostly space news, launches,  new satellites, technology advances, stuff like that.  Every now and then they drift into lefty globularwarmism and they did it this week, talking about the Atacama desert as an analog for some elements of the Martian surface.  Talking about the only life present there, being about 18 varieties of microbes that are such extremophiles that they can only exist in Atacama under its current static conditions (i.e. no precipitation, ever).  They went on to say that due to globularwarmism, it rained in the desert and that a dozen of these microbes went extinct because they are so specially evolved to absorb moisture from any available source, they ruptured their cell membranes due to the excessive water from the rain. 

...Except they also said it hadn't rained in Atacama for 500 years.

So did globularwarmism cause it to rain 500 years ago?  No explanation of the source of rain in that area 500 years past.  Or if the asserted man-originated globularwarmism is responsible for an increase in precipitation there consistently. 

If a freak storm can happen 500 years ago, it can happen today too.