Where is ISIS getting all those Toyotas?

[just Warren]

My guess would be Turkey.

Sumitomo, a Japanese conglomerate that ships vehicles to the region, wrote to ABC News, “In terms of how anyone operating outside of the law obtain vehicles for misappropriation, we have no way to know and therefore cannot comment.”

Uh huh.

I'm sure ISIS has guys in a lot of places buying all manner of things and if you ship to Turkey direct there's no chance of interdiction.

And if that is the case this shipping company, and others, must be aware of the possibility of this and if they don't check then are they not liable? How can you not know what is on your ship? And who is receiving the trucks. Or is it once they roll off the ship it's no longer their business where the vehicles go?

That's an okay answer, (and we use it here with gun sales) but if you're a company do you want there to be any chance of it being found out you supplied terrorists even indirectly? And try to cut out those dealers?

I'm not saying Sumitomo is guilty of anything but these trucks sure aren't swimming to Syria on their own.

[wmenorr67]

Don't forget all the damn vehicles we give to countries.

[Hawkmoon]

And if that is the case this shipping company, and others, must be aware of the possibility of this and if they don't check then are they not liable? How can you not know what is on your ship? And who is receiving the trucks. Or is it once they roll off the ship it's no longer their business where the vehicles go?

Slippery slope argument.

Are gun manufacturers and distributors liable because some nutcase buys an AR-15 and shoots up a shopping mall? How could UPS not know what's in those boxes they deliver to gun stores?

If a 20-year old male sporting tats and dreadlocks walks into a Mercedes dealership and plunks down cash for the top-of-the-line model, is the dealer supposed to question the customer about where he got the money?

[Jamisjockey]

Slippery slope argument.

Are gun manufacturers and distributors liable because some nutcase buys an AR-15 and shoots up a shopping mall? How could UPS not know what's in those boxes they deliver to gun stores?

If a 20-year old male sporting tats and dreadlocks walks into a Mercedes dealership and plunks down cash for the top-of-the-line model, is the dealer supposed to question the customer about where he got the money?

Actually yes.  Because you have to account for any cash purchase over 10k. 

[brimic]

Actually yes.  Because you have to account for any cash purchase over 10k. 

Yes, because police state.

[RevDisk]

Slippery slope argument.

Are gun manufacturers and distributors liable because some nutcase buys an AR-15 and shoots up a shopping mall? How could UPS not know what's in those boxes they deliver to gun stores?

If a 20-year old male sporting tats and dreadlocks walks into a Mercedes dealership and plunks down cash for the top-of-the-line model, is the dealer supposed to question the customer about where he got the money?

Cash, maybe yes. Credit card or check, no.

But correct, if something is not a defense article, there's generally less paperwork and required due diligence. But it's never zero. Remember not all countries have our level of export control. In the US, there's a requirement to know who you are selling to and red flags mandatory reporting. Even for Commerce controlled goods (ie not military hardware).

[MikeB]

Considering there were some 11 million Toyota Hilux's produced. They are wildly popular in that part of the world. They are nigh unkillable as we learn from Top Gear. Is it really that surprising that ISIS seems to have a lot of them? While there are obviously some new ones in the pictures, there are a lot of older ones which would be expected to be all over that part of the world prior to ISIS existing.

I guess my question is why is anyone surprised they have so many and is there any real indications justifying the recent news?

[Ben]

Considering there were some 11 million Toyota Hilux's produced. They are wildly popular in that part of the world. They are nigh unkillable as we learn from Top Gear. Is it really that surprising that ISIS seems to have a lot of them? While there are obviously some new ones in the pictures, there are a lot of older ones which would be expected to be all over that part of the world prior to ISIS existing.

I guess my question is why is anyone surprised they have so many and is there any real indications justifying the recent news?

This.

[Scout26]

How many did they pick-up when they overran "Honest Achmed's" Toyota dealerships?  How many did we leave behind?  

Plus what Mike B said.  

[Jamisjockey]

Yes, because police state.

Oh I'm wholly against the currency cap.  Just stating the fact as it is.  You cannot walk into a car dealer with a suitcase of cash without proof of where it came from.

[HankB]

Toyota has largely displaced Land Rover as the source for 4x4 SUVs and pickups in much of the turd world - more affordable with better reliability, and Land Rover allegedly lost both load capacity and off-road capability when they switched from leaf springs to coil springs. ISIS is probably helping themselves to government stocks - after all, news footage shows they have no shortage of HUMVEES, either.

The "foreign" Toyotas are also much easier to repair than what you see here, since they don't have all the cr@p under the hood our EPA requires.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Oh I'm wholly against the currency cap.  Just stating the fact as it is.  You cannot walk into a car dealer with a suitcase of cash without proof of where it came from.

Dealer does not ask for proof. Does file paperwork about transaction.


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