The personal cost of standing up against tyranny.

[Blakenzy]

Narrator browses over the fates of those who signed the Declaration of Independence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhgfknG8hhg

They must all be rolling in their graves these days.

[AZRedhawk44]

“Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present Generation to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it.”

-John Adams



A huge raving Statist of the first order and butcher of liberty vis-a-vis the office of President... but still somewhat redeemable by the above quote.

[roo_ster]

“Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present Generation to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it.”

-John Adams



A huge raving Statist of the first order and butcher of liberty vis-a-vis the office of President... but still somewhat redeemable by the above quote.

A statist of that era would be considered a raving, radical individualist in today's political climate.  Would that our policriters as statist as Adams.

[AZRedhawk44]

A statist of that era would be considered a raving, radical individualist in today's political climate.  Would that our policriters as statist as Adams.

Not really, IMO.  They all use the government as a force proxy to violate the NAP against people minding their own business.  It's just degrees of incrementalism.  Adams was probably the first.  Making him the progenitor of the movement to undo America.

[RevDisk]

“Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present Generation to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it.”

-John Adams

A huge raving Statist of the first order and butcher of liberty vis-a-vis the office of President... but still somewhat redeemable by the above quote.

Except the last several generations have taken great pains in gutting our freedoms and liberties like trouts. They've done little to preserve freedom, by and large, in quite a while and paid little to no cost. While spending cash like water, in order to shackle the next generation with debt they did not incur. Not that plenty of my generation wouldn't vote for more shackles and chain.

[Jamisjockey]

Except the last several generations have taken great pains in gutting our freedoms and liberties like trouts. They've done little to preserve freedom, by and large, in quite a while and paid little to no cost. While spending cash like water, in order to shackle the next generation with debt they did not incur. Not that plenty of my generation wouldn't vote for more shackles and chain.

Without economic freedoms, all other freedoms are meaningless.  -Me.

[French G.]

Says the formerly kept man. 

[RevDisk]

Says the formerly kept man. 

Some folks are happy to give up their economic freedoms in exchange for other things. As long as it's voluntary, it's not a bad thing. Becoming a judge means you give up certain economic freedoms, due to conflicts of interest. Being a stay at home mom or dad gives up certain economic freedoms, kids alone limit your options.

This is not bad. I'd voluntarily give up a fair amount of economic freedom to be Christina Hendricks' kept man, as a random example.

Freedom means the ability to freely choose. You can say "na". 2A doesn't mean you MUST own a gun. 1A doesn't mean you MUST have an opinion.

[SADShooter]

Some folks are happy to give up their economic freedoms in exchange for other things. As long as it's voluntary, it's not a bad thing. Becoming a judge means you give up certain economic freedoms, due to conflicts of interest. Being a stay at home mom or dad gives up certain economic freedoms, kids alone limit your options.

This is not bad. I'd voluntarily give up a fair amount of economic freedom to be Christina Hendricks' kept man, as a random example.

Freedom means the ability to freely choose. You can say "na". 2A doesn't mean you MUST own a gun. 1A doesn't mean you MUST have an opinion.

Well said, sir.

It's about volition. The problem: choices have consequences, and our current culture is more concerned with freedom from consequences than with freedom of choice.

[Jamisjockey]

We live in an economy of coercion and force.  You are forced to participate, not participate, and are forced to subsidize a myriad of other parts of the economy.  Even the little bit you think is free (IE discretionary spending) isn't, as it too is affected by taxation through force at all levels.

[gunsmith]

I volunteer to be Maggie's ( walking Dead ) kept man.

However, not to drift to much, I've always been sympathetic to the Whiskey Rebellion.

[longeyes]

Individual liberty is fast becoming a form of extremism, even terrorism, to the tyrants-in-waiting.  Tony Kushner, scenarist for Lincoln, refers to "psychotic individualism" in a recent interview.  He has no problem, apparently, with the same-sex marriage variety of individualism, though, being a practitioner himself.  We who care about individual liberty should expect to be viewed as crazies on the margin.

[Jamisjockey]

I volunteer to be Maggie's ( walking Dead ) kept man.

However, not to drift to much, I've always been sympathetic to the Whiskey Rebellion.

The whiskey rebellion: Domestic terrorisim?
Also, proof the the failings of this form of government from the start.

[Northwoods]

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.

[gunsmith]

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.

I'm as free as a bird, and this bird you cant change.

[longeyes]

Of course there's a cost for standing up against tyranny.  But it's less, ultimately, than the cost of not standing up against tyranny.  Perhaps that view is what separates them from us.