Self defense for teens?

[Viking]

http://media.naplesnews.com/media/static/20111230150108.pdf interesting reading there. Anyone who believes Jorge Saavedra had no right to defend himself is morally defective.

Amen.


Lots of people have been beat to death using only one's hands.  Hell, I found a case in Texas where a woman was pushed in front of a bus in a fight, killing her.  IMHO,  unprovoked physical attacks are lethal force.

Lots of people have been killed by single punches as well. Being punched in the back of the head, where there's a couple of incredibly sensitive spots? Kill the *expletive deleted*ers doing it.

[Perd Hapley]

Was it a legitimate conflict of interest?   

Everybody's makin' a fuss.

[MillCreek]

If you are violently attacked by a physically larger and superior person, they can easily injure or kill you even by accident: there are many bodily organs that are more vulnerable than is commonly thought.

As a former paramedic, let me say amen to this.  Or perhaps even worse, leave you with a significant permanent physical or neurological disability.  That bit in the movies about people shrugging off being hit over the head with a whiskey bottle?  Not so much in real life. 

[wmenorr67]

Maybe the bus driver should have some blame in this for not stopping the BS that was taking place on their bus.

[MechAg94]

Maybe the bus driver should have some blame in this for not stopping the BS that was taking place on their bus.

I'd hate to blame him without knowing more about the rules he works under.  Also, where did the fight take place?  Was it right outside the bus or down the street a bit after the bus left?

[wmenorr67]

I'd hate to blame him without knowing more about the rules he works under.  Also, where did the fight take place?  Was it right outside the bus or down the street a bit after the bus left?

I'm talking about the throwing of items and *expletive deleted*it that happened on the bus.  If the kids had been hammered in the past over the bullying that was taking place on the bus maybe there wouldn't be a dead kid.

[KD5NRH]

As a former paramedic, let me say amen to this.  Or perhaps even worse, leave you with a significant permanent physical or neurological disability.  That bit in the movies about people shrugging off being hit over the head with a whiskey bottle?  Not so much in real life.  

I always love the way every martial arts movie must include some guy taking a hard kick to the side of the knee and not just remaining on his feet, but being able to put weight on that leg afterward.

Ever since I dislocated my knee, that has become my favorite target for ending a fight.  No matter how tough you are, you can't chase me while your leg is bent the wrong way, and you'll have years of pain to remind you not to piss me off again.

[lee n. field]

Despite all the backwards progress I think we're making as a society, every once in a while, something like this happens
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jan/03/collier-judge-upholds-stand-your-ground-defense-ca/?partner=popular

So the attacker is actually subjected to direct and fatal consequences for his attack.....IMHO too often we as a society just accept "boys will be boys" and leave this sort of behavior in some kind of mythical "juvenile" category.

Got around to reading the PDF.  Damn.  Wow.  So much to say.  I could have been that kid, the defendant, in different circumstances.

The second to last paragraph ("IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED AND ADJUDICATED...") is a win.

[Jamisjockey]

Got around to reading the PDF.  Damn.  Wow.  So much to say.  I could have been that kid, the defendant, in different circumstances.

The second to last paragraph ("IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED AND ADJUDICATED...") is a win.

Me too.  I stabbed a guy in the thigh with a pencil in HS.  I was a new kid and sophmore and trying my ass off to make friends.  I was talking to a girl, who was friends with his GF.  He decided I was after his GF and literally walked up and busted my nose.  Guy easily had 75 pounds and 6" on me. 
After he got unsuspended, I found him at lunch and stuck the pencil about 3" into his thigh.  Told him if he ever touched me again the next pencil went in his throat.
I also didn't get effed with at all after that. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i knew there was a reason i liked you

[Tallpine]

Maybe the bus driver should have some blame in this for not stopping the BS that was taking place on their bus.

I drove school bus 30+ years ago and even then all we could do was write a report. 

[Jamisjockey]

i knew there was a reason i liked you

 

Small-ish school, with heavy emphasis on athletics.  Football coaches also coached track, and I went on the Cross country team.  Turned out that I was pretty fast in those days.   We trained a lot with the football players, and quite often in the winter and spring the cross country team ran a lot of the football team's workouts.  I got to be friends with pretty much the entire offensive line.  If the pencil incident didn't place me off limits to bullies, hanging out with 1,000 pounds of offensive line at lunch sure did.
 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

you'd have had fun at my high school
i stopped carrying a knife just in time to get a real good stomping

[Matthew Carberry]

Me too.  I stabbed a guy in the thigh with a pencil in HS.  I was a new kid and sophmore and trying my ass off to make friends.  I was talking to a girl, who was friends with his GF.  He decided I was after his GF and literally walked up and busted my nose.  Guy easily had 75 pounds and 6" on me. 
After he got unsuspended, I found him at lunch and stuck the pencil about 3" into his thigh.  Told him if he ever touched me again the next pencil went in his throat.
I also didn't get effed with at all after that. 

Marine buddy Jaime and I took his 18 year old stepson and his 5 HS friends to indoor paintball last month for the kid's birthday.  Another older, fatter, former Marine buddy of ours, Mike, joined us.

We three old dudes, plus J's 10 year old daughter and Mike's 13 year old kid, just took those teens apart game after game.  They would go to cover and stick until we flanked and killed them one by one, no shoot and maneuver from them at all, even after we told them what they were doing wrong.

On the way back to town, in between heckling them as Sally's, we were trying to decide if the Marines made us aggressive or if we were aggressive before and thus self-selected for the Marines.