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Obama Defends National Park CCW
« on: February 18, 2009, 10:14:32 AM »
Wow -- this is interesting. Even looking at it pessimistically, i.e., that the administration has some not above board purpose for doing this, it is still hanging the gun control advocates out to dry. Could mean they are the little fish in this administration's change agenda. Then again, being able to say, "We defended National Park concealed carry" might be a plan for the administration to come off as moderate when Obama signs an EBR ban.


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http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_11718779

Obama defends Bush's late guns rule
By Juliet Eilperin
The Washington Post
Posted: 02/17/2009 12:30:00 AM MST

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is legally defending a last-minute rule enacted by President George W. Bush that allows concealed firearms in national parks, even as it is reviewing internally whether the measure meets environmental muster.

In a response Friday to a lawsuit by gun-control and environmental groups, the Justice Department sought to block a preliminary injunction of the controversial rule. The regulation, which took effect Jan. 9, allows visitors to bring concealed, loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges; for more than two decades, they were allowed in such areas only if they were unloaded or stored and dismantled.

Three groups seeking to overturn the rule — the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the National Parks Conservation Association and the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees — have argued that the Bush administration violated several laws in issuing the rule, such as failing to conduct an adequate environmental review. They also argue that the new policy could deter some visitors, such as school groups, from visiting national landmarks.
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 10:17:04 AM »
I love the concept that carrying a frigging handgun into a national park could have some catastrophic environmental impact that requires study.

What an effing crock of crap.

That just shows that the anti-gun crowd is absolutely desperate to keep this from taking effect and is truly grasping at straws.
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 10:17:48 AM »
I love the concept that carrying a frigging handgun into a national park could have some catastrophic environmental impact that requires study.

What an effing crock of crap.

That just shows that the anti-gun crowd is absolutely desperate to keep this from taking effect and is truly grasping at straws.

What floors me is that they somehow expect murderers to follow this law.

Or MS-13 people with their "special" farms, who will very quickly kill anyone who accidentally runs across one...

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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2009, 10:32:43 AM »
"What floors me is that they somehow expect murderers to follow this law."

That's always been their mantra anytime a gunlaw is loosened. It's never happened, and they know it, but they're working on the "repeat a lie often enough and it will become the baseline truth" theory.
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2009, 10:45:03 AM »
interesting that the retirees group is opposed but no mention of what the active rank and file think.
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2009, 12:04:17 PM »
And what makes you think it will "pass muster?"

Health and environmental concerns are the new fascism. Isn't that abundantly obvious by now?

I'm not holding my breath that this remains in force.
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2009, 12:09:24 PM »
I love the concept that carrying a frigging handgun into a national park could have some catastrophic environmental impact that requires study.

What an effing crock of crap.

That just shows that the anti-gun crowd is absolutely desperate to keep this from taking effect and is truly grasping at straws.

Policy basically states anything related to land owned by the feds requires an enviromental impact study. I do see your point Mike, and I agree. I think the groups against it are trying to find an issue to tie it up in courts, NGO's have been getting good at doing that.

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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2009, 12:19:14 PM »
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NGO's have been getting good at doing that.

Word.
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2009, 12:57:35 PM »

Health and environmental concerns are the new fascism. Isn't that abundantly obvious by now?

Sadly, I think this is very true.

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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2009, 06:10:43 PM »
I remain convinced that BO is playing nice to the Fudds on this one, while maneuvering the interior department to stab us in the back with a detrimental environmental impact report.

He can innocently throw his hands up in the air and say "I tried, guys, but the science says it's bad for the [insert obscure carrion bird here]."

Then wink and nod to the Bradyites and the NRA on the way to the bank with his 2012 campaign contributions from playing both sides.
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2009, 07:34:40 PM »
Bush did not change the law, years and years of hard work did.
B.O is simply obeying the law, it will take a few more years to change it back.
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2009, 09:27:56 PM »
Through exec order and exec branch policy changes it will be changed. He will overtly or covertly see this retracted.
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2009, 09:34:35 PM »
Obama will talk center and regulate from the extreme left.  Don't believe his words; watch what his employees do.
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2009, 12:19:39 AM »
I do not think he has any intention of reversing this decision.  He is not an idiot.  He is a very smart politician who wants to stay in power.  The only thing gun control laws do is get liberals voted out of office.  He is smart enough to know this, and I believe will avoid the issue completely.

He was a gun grabber when he was in Illinois.  But its easy to be a gun grabber there.  In order to get re-elected he will have to carry at least a few states where gun grabbers are very unpopular.

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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2009, 12:46:22 AM »
Obama is a 'tard, lone_gunman. That's lower than "Idiot" status.

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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2009, 02:42:55 PM »
Gotta remember that the looney left don't think like the restof us...

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The dems didn't loose in '94 becasue of too much gun control, they lost because of not enough gun control.

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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2009, 10:45:23 PM »
Okay, here goes my line of thought:
Obama defends concealed-carry in parks.
Carrying a concealed weapon requires a license anywhere in the USA.
Licensing requires application to/approval from the government.
More lawfully owned guns "they" know about, and more restrictions couched in permissions.

Also, whatever they decide will set precedent.  If the "defending" solicitor does a crappy job and we end up losing this one, it's lost for a good while because for the courts' purposes, the issue has already been addressed and decided.

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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2009, 03:07:34 AM »

Carrying a concealed weapon requires a license anywhere in the USA.



Not everywhere.  Besides, a license to carry doesn't prove ownership. 
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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2009, 09:53:17 PM »
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In a response Friday to a lawsuit by gun-control and environmental groups, the Justice Department sought to block a preliminary injunction of the controversial rule. The regulation, which took effect Jan. 9, allows visitors to bring concealed, loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges; for more than two decades, they were allowed in such areas only if they were unloaded or stored and dismantled.

Does this imply that anyone who isn't prohibited from owning a firearm can be packing concealed on Federally controlled parks (and the like) without a state issued CCW permit...or...conversely...

Are you going to be limited to states that recognize your permit even though you are on .gov land?

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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2009, 11:09:53 AM »
Does this imply that anyone who isn't prohibited from owning a firearm can be packing concealed on Federally controlled parks (and the like) without a state issued CCW permit...or...conversely...

Are you going to be limited to states that recognize your permit even though you are on .gov land?

Yup - the new regulation only permits carry in National Parks in accordance with the laws of the state(s) the Park is in.  If you're in a National Park in VA, you must abide by VA's concealed-carry laws, etc.

Therefore, those whining about how this regulation might permit a carry-permittee to be packing a pistol on the National Mall are *LYING* - since concealed-carry by civilians is illegal in the District Of Columbia.

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Re: Obama Defends National Park CCW
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2009, 08:36:20 PM »
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Therefore, those whining about how this regulation might permit a carry-permittee to be packing a pistol on the National Mall are *LYING*

Surely those upstanding 2A killers wouldn't lie about firearms =|