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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on November 26, 2019, 03:32:37 PM
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/11/26/texas-woman-killed-feral-hogs-outside-home-she-worked-caretaker/4305584002/
Apparently these hogs have no fear of humans.
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Save the last rnd for yourself... What a way to go.
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according to Lawdog 9mm isn't a good choice.
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2016/02/well-that-was-festive.html (http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2016/02/well-that-was-festive.html) if I can post it here...
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Re: What caliber for bitey feral hogs?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/11/26/texas-woman-killed-feral-hogs-outside-home-she-worked-caretaker/4305584002/
Apparently these hogs have no fear of humans.
With what I have on hand, and if handguns are what I have to fix the problem, I'd be going with the "stompiest" hard cast .40 I could find. Trying to optimize power, penetration and capacity. And, yeah, it prob. ain't enough.
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Funny hog story from Lawdog, but I guess it doesn't settle the 3/8" versus 1/2" argument.
Re OP:
The more I read about feral hogs the less sportsmanlike I feel. I was outraged when I saw a video of shooting them from a helicopter. But after reading more I think there ought to be a bounty on them and have one of those January 1 to December 31 hunting seasons for them.
Terry
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While we don't have a bounty they are "open season" year round here.
My minimum would be .30-30 with medium hard cast bullets but preferred would be the .45-70 with 425gr cast flat nose
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I guess it depends on if you just want to kill them or if you want to drop them right where they stand. For self defense against hogs, maybe drop them is a good choice. For pistol, I am thinking 357 Mag is something I have that would work, but I think I would go for hunting loads like the heavier 158 grain soft points.
For just pest control, my Dad has shot a few on his morning walks with a 22 and it kills them. They generally run off a ways before they die. Another guy I know has shot a couple in his yard the same way. Just use solid bullets instead of HP rounds I would think.
I guess any 223 or 7.62X39 would work also.
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AR with a couple of extra mags. Or, for more fun, M1 Garand with some extra clips.
H&Hhunter on THR uses his 470 NE double rifle. Practice, ya know, plus it drops 'em. :laugh:
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AR with a couple of extra mags. Or, for more fun, M1 Garand with some extra clips.
H&Hhunter on THR uses his 470 NE double rifle. Practice, ya know, plus it drops 'em. :laugh:
No kill like overkill :cool:
I've got a really nice CZ 550 in .375. Would love to try that out on a hog. Ohio has only woodchucks and coyotes for field expedient ballistic testing.
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I'd probably use my .444 Marlin, killed a few deer and a bear with it.
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I saw this story on the national news, and it looked as if it occurred in a suburban neighborhood of one-story houses on typical town-size lots. There must be a lot of feral hogs in Texas if they are wandering around in suburbs.
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Yeah, they and other critters (deer, coyotes, bears, mountain lions, alligators) are encroaching on our natural range. =D
No kill like overkill :cool:
I've got a really nice CZ 550 in .375. Would love to try that out on a hog. Ohio has only woodchucks and coyotes for field expedient ballistic testing.
But that's a bottlenecked cartridge, no? I thought Ohio was straight-walled cartridges only for hunting. Where am I going wrong?
(https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/259/259128.jpg)
So's the .375 Ruger:
(https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/320x240/Primary/551/551093.jpg)
???
Terry
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I know some states require straight wall cartridges for handgun hunting (which makes very little sense to me, a muzzle energy, caliber, or some combination thereof would be better). But for rifle hunting I've never heard of any place requiring straight wall cartridges.
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See American Rifleman article (September 2019 page 44) on the new Winchester 350 Legend rifle cartridge, designed specifically for straight-walled rifle States.
Son1 ran into this restriction when he moved to Ohio.
I believe, but cannot verify, that they are more concerned with ultimate range of the cartridge because of population density rather than any energy/"power" or velocity numbers. Either that, or the wildlife regulators are just fuddy-duddies and fearful of an adequately-armed citizenry. :police:
I think it's quite similar to the philosophy of shotgun-only States.
Terry, 230RN
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I assume these hogs aren't very tasty?
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I know some states require straight wall cartridges for handgun hunting (which makes very little sense to me, a muzzle energy, caliber, or some combination thereof would be better). But for rifle hunting I've never heard of any place requiring straight wall cartridges.
Many Midwest and eastern states that were shotgun slug/muzzleloader only for firearm deer hunting are now permitting straight walled rifle cartridges for the firearm deer seasons.
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I assume these hogs aren't very tasty?
probably want to cook them well done.
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So here in Texas, wild hogs are not considered game animals and are a non-native species. You can shoot them any time of the year you want without a license. That is one reason why some people like to hunt them. Some people hunt for meat, some just want to get rid of them. How does that work for your state?
My boss lives in a neighborhood with 1 acre lots. He has them come into his yard digging up the grass. However, I think if he shoots one occasionally, they don't come around so often. If no one in his neighborhood ever shot one, I can see them getting pretty bold.
I have driven by a group of several hogs several miles up the road. There easily could be some that live in some sanctuary land near my neighborhood. I do have a possum that comes through my yard occasionally. I heard they eat stuff I don't want so I don't mind that.
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So are memes reality, or is reality a meme?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/30-50-feral-hogs
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FYI
Range of feral hogs:
(https://wildlifemanagementpro.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/feral_hog_distribution_us.jpg)
Source and more FYI:
https://www.wildlifemanagementpro.com/2007/06/01/range-of-feral-hogs-in-the-united-states/
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That map is 15 years old. I bet they're more extensive now.
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Here's a later copyrighted one:
http://www.scramrepellents.com/publishImages/WILDHOGSCRAM~~element4.png
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiJibEepQG0
5 Hogs One Shot - 00 Buckshot Does Some Work
This guy looks like he lined up the bait so he had a good shot. (Warning: Animals getting killed)
Never heard of 30 to 50 feral hogs, but a dozen isn't unusual. From what I have heard, they are nervous and will scatter as soon as shooting starts. Of course, that is hogs that have been hunted. Not sure what they would do in an areas where no one shoots at them.
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Yeah, they and other critters (deer, coyotes, bears, mountain lions, alligators) are encroaching on our natural range. =D
But that's a bottlenecked cartridge, no? I thought Ohio was straight-walled cartridges only for hunting. Where am I going wrong?
???
Terry
You're completely right, but that's for game animals. I can shoot varmints with a belt fed, if I had one. No holds bared on those.
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Hogs are like other creatures of opportunity like deer, Canada goose, raccoons, etc. They will move in to urban areas where there is food, shelter and not hunted.
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You're completely right, but that's for game animals. I can shoot varmints with a belt fed, if I had one. No holds barred on those.
"Belt fed" You're right. Good one.
Note the "...and other critters..."
The joke was that they (all wild critters) were doing the same thing we are blamed for.... moving into another creature's territory.
Terry, 230RN
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Re OP:
The more I read about feral hogs the less sportsmanlike I feel. I was outraged when I saw a video of shooting them from a helicopter. But after reading more I think there ought to be a bounty on them and have one of those January 1 to December 31 hunting seasons for them.
Terry
Have you seen the videos where they put 30 or 40 lbs of Tannerite under a hog feeder? Not sportsmanlike, but effective.
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That map is 15 years old. I bet they're more extensive now.
Considering how quick they breed and mature, yes. Need to kill +70% annually just to keep them in check iirc.
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Also, hogs are *expletive deleted*ing vicious and nasty. Google pics of boar spears and why they have those lugs/"wings". If not, the stuck hog will work its way up the spear just to get a bite out of you before it expires. They are that petty and do not feel pain. Likewise with domesticated pigs. Their pain threshold is astounding.
The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.
Relevant quote and not far from the truth.
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Also to reply to the title question: anything beltfed in a battle rifle caliber or .50 BMG. Artillery. IEDs. To hell with them.
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Also to reply to the title question: anything beltfed in a battle rifle caliber or .50 BMG. Artillery. IEDs. To hell with them.
The smaller ones are supposed to be great for eating. Be good to trap them, remove the eating size ones, then go to town as above.
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A standard 20" AR with m855 enough gun or do I need something with more umph and/or starting with a 3?
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Depends if you just want to kill them, or also recover and eat them. AR-15 is commonly used for the helicopter hunting. But they don't care much if the pig dies quickly. For that (killing quickly and then eating them) I would want something 6.5x55mm or above
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A standard 20" AR with m855 enough gun or do I need something with more umph and/or starting with a 3?
Depends. Local laws here in Sweden says no. But they might be overly cautious. I have seen Muricans wrecking havoc upon them with standard AR15s tho. But I am unsure about the size of the standard US wild pig. If they are the size of a regular domesticated pig... cautious maaaaybe. They aren't supersized. But pretty hardy. If the size of a sow or above...I would like something in the +.308 range. Cutting in them a big difference compared to regular size pigs. Only experience from slaughtering, not hunting. Have a half finished hunter's exam here. Pigs reportedly require The Big Stick. Have heard hunters here saying 6.55 Swede is Absolute Minimum. So bring enough gun or backup. Pigs vastly vary in size.
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I think if I persued doing this I'd opt for a 30 cal something.
If I ever get out of Illinois I'll get a new rifle.
Right now I don't shoot what I have due to the inconvenience.
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A standard 20" AR with m855 enough gun or do I need something with more umph and/or starting with a 3?
Take a look at the 6.8 spc.
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I used my little Remington 788 .308 in CA. Handloaded 165gr made a quick kill with little meat damage if I did my job.
I've said it before in these threads. People can do what they want, but personally I won't make any living thing needlessly suffer a lingering death for shits and giggles. If it needs killing, I want to do it quick.
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45-70
Screw em.
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Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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I would want at least a .30-30 with heavy bullets. Domestic hogs you can kill with a .22 and a knife. I don't want to get that close to a wild/feral one in case the shot wasn't perfect. And especially not a herd of them.
.223 is probably fine at a safe distance if you just wanna kill them and don't care about the meat.
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As a young boy I learned a 16ga Ithaca, with the plug out, loaded with alternating squirrel shot and 00 buck would do the job, at close range, using all 5 rounds in rapid succession.
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for self defense, I would hope a .40 would do the trick or a .45.
However, if you know they're in your area - i would opt for a ten mm. and keep a 45-70 in the vehicle.
An ex GF says the only way one can eat them is when they're really young - some kind of Mexican recipe i forgot the name of
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An ex GF says the only way one can eat them is when they're really young - some kind of Mexican recipe i forgot the name of
Tortilla porcilla?
(I just made that up.)
As a young boy I learned a 16ga Ithaca, with the plug out, loaded with alternating squirrel shot and 00 buck would do the job, at close range, using all 5 4 rounds in rapid succession.
Judging from what I'm reading about their durability, you might want to "save one for yourself."
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A standard 20" AR with m855 enough gun or do I need something with more umph and/or starting with a 3?
That starts with a 5. :police: =D
5.56mm, to be obvious.
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That starts with a 5. :police: =D
5.56mm, to be obvious.
Hey! Listen to what I mean, not what I say :rofl:
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Considering how quick they breed and mature, yes. Need to kill +70% annually just to keep them in check iirc.
A friend of a friend of mine had the contract for controlling the feral hog population in Myakka River state park. Said that he had to remove 30 per month just to keep the population in check.
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A friend of a friend of mine had the contract for controlling the feral hog population in Myakka River state park. Said that he had to remove 30 per month just to keep the population in check.
How do I get a job like that?
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I'm curious about what they do with the carcasses. Just let them lie there? Call in a backhoe ? (Yeah, sure.) Pick them up for disposal elsewhere?
I mean it's not like leaving a 1-2 pound prairie dog for the crows and magpies to pick at and the coyotes to carry off. (Many times I've returned the next day to the exact spot I hit a prairie rat and found nothing left.)
Do the other hogs come back and feed off the carcass?
Hm?
Terry
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I'm curious about what they do with the carcasses. Just let them lie there? Call in a backhoe ? (Yeah, sure.) Pick them up for disposal elsewhere?
Porcine resurrection. I mean, you've heard of "Hog Heaven" haven't you?
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Depends. I've seen where the choppers have a truck following them picking up the dead pigs. The ones killed with tannerite I imagine are left for scavengers/fertilizer.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGu38iKZu5k
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On the carcass, I would think it depends on what wildlife is there to feed on the thing. If enough buzzards get after it, they will have it cleaned up in a couple days. I have seen buzzard conventions before where there was apparently a dead cow or other large animal.
My Dad and I talked about how few coyotes there are now in the area I grew up. He said he won't shoot them anymore.
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MechAg94: "My Dad and I talked about how few coyotes there are now in the area I grew up. He said he won't shoot them anymore."
An interesting point. Are hogs becoming the main predators now? Amongst the videos I thought I saw one carrying off a fawn, which triggered that thought in my mind.
It bothers me that they're in eastern Commierado now. Maybe the Division Of Wildlife ought to pay attention to that, instead of otherwise legal hunters leaning their rifles against their trucks. >:D
Terry
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In the 24 years I've been on my place I've witnessed the cyclic balance of predator/prey.
Small game populations, most noticable is cottontail rabbits, begin to climb. Soon coyote and hawk population begins to climb. Small game numbers begin to diminish followed by a decrease in predators. The decrease in predators relieves the pressure on prey species which allows them to begin to repopulate and feed an increased population of predators. Rinse, wring, repeat.
We are currently in a low swing of small game and I have noticed a decrease in coyotes. I can usually hear them singing not far from the house when they are strong. Haven't heard them this Fall yet.
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On what ammo to use, I don't know if it takes much. Just get something that penetrates decently.
My Dad and I show some more 1 gallon water jugs on Friday. We shot Monarch 9mm and 45 HP ammo that Academy Sports sells along with a Brown Bear 7.62x39 SP and some Russian 62 grain SP 5.56x45. The 5.56 was the only one that we recovered a bullet (3rd jug?). The other threat went through 4 or 5 jubs of water, rupturing the first two pretty good. I figured the 9mm and 45 rounds only mushroomed a little. The 9mm was the 145 grain they sell. The 45 was the Monarch brass 185 grain HP.
I need to buy some cheap fleece blankets to use as a bullet stop like Paul Harrell.
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Apparently some folks do eat them:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/from-field-to-table-the-journey-of-a-tasty-feral-hog/
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Apparently some folks do eat them:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/from-field-to-table-the-journey-of-a-tasty-feral-hog/
From what I've heard, the small, younger ones are pretty tasty, but the bigger and older they get, the more likely they are to be nasty.
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Apparently some folks do eat them:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/from-field-to-table-the-journey-of-a-tasty-feral-hog/
Protein is protein.
I guess they are pretty tough to kill. In the cited article, the hog was shot with a 7mm Remington Magnum, yet still ran off a short distance. (Don't know what the shot placement was like, though.)
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From what I've heard, the small, younger ones are pretty tasty, but the bigger and older they get, the more likely they are to be nasty.
Isn't that true for all edible critters?
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Isn't that true for all edible critters?
I am sure that I have become more tough and stringy as I have gotten older.
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I'll take your word for it.