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NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« on: January 14, 2013, 11:27:48 AM »
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gun-Control-Assault-Weapons-Ban-Magazines-Limit-Cuomo-NY-186794151.html

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Hmm... what idolotrous cult firearm with high cost service liability and massive New England corporate interests has a native capacity of 7 rounds?  I just can't think of any.   [popcorn]
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2013, 11:35:19 AM »
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Looks like NYSRPA has the right angle.  No concessions.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2013, 11:37:59 AM »
Hmm... what idolotrous cult firearm with high cost service liability and massive New England corporate interests has a native capacity of 7 rounds?  I just can't think of any.   [popcorn]

S&W, Ruger, and Colt revolvers mostly fall within that limit (except for some 22lr models and a single 357mag N-Frame S&W).  Seems to be a way to effectively ban most semiautos rather than cater to a given platform.

But back to your platform bashing...

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2013, 11:45:14 AM »
S&W, Ruger, and Colt revolvers mostly fall within that limit (except for some 22lr models and a single 357mag N-Frame S&W).  Seems to be a way to effectively ban most semiautos rather than cater to a given platform.

But back to your platform bashing...

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Article doesn't mention revolver capacity at all, or a potential revolver ban or limit on cylinder capacity.  Just talks about magazine capacity.

Seems an effective way to ban most semiautos that are not 1911 pattern.  With the exception of tiny Kel-tecs, Walther PPK's and other deliberately concealable single stack designs.  But the number 7 is just irksome.  It's a deliberate nod to the "okay" semiauto (the 1911, beloved by the NRA for bullseye pistol competitions and beloved by the industry for its high entry costs and high maintenance costs) and the "bad" semiautos (Glocks, Sigs, Berettas and so on).
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2013, 11:51:59 AM »
It's so people can't have a Glock Fo-tay, because obviously they aren't profeshunal enough.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2013, 11:57:07 AM »
I don't see how this could possibly pass the Heller "common use" test. I'm not sure a 10 round limit would either at this point, but a 7 round limit would definitely ban a huge amount of common firearms.


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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2013, 11:58:29 AM »
I think it is a game of political one-upmanship.  See we are even more stringent than the Feds.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2013, 12:20:01 PM »
Article doesn't mention revolver capacity at all, or a potential revolver ban or limit on cylinder capacity.  Just talks about magazine capacity.
It also doesn't mention the 1911 or that the mag ban is for semi-autos at all.

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Seems an effective way to ban most semiautos that are not 1911 pattern.  With the exception of tiny Kel-tecs, Walther PPK's and other deliberately concealable single stack designs.  But the number 7 is just irksome.  It's a deliberate nod to the "okay" semiauto (the 1911, beloved by the NRA for bullseye pistol competitions and beloved by the industry for its high entry costs and high maintenance costs) and the "bad" semiautos (Glocks, Sigs, Berettas and so on).

You're reading too much into a single number.  This is nothing but a one-upmanship as adively pointed out.  It's entirely possible the author(s) of the law weren't aware of semiautos that couldn't take more than 7 rounds (ie the 1911 and tiny guns), that they thought this would effectively ban all semiautos, leaving shooters to revolvers only.  That is more likely than an anti-gun legislator protecting the 1911.  Dumber things could happen.

Unless you have actual, you know, evidence to the contrary...

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2013, 01:03:58 PM »
The 1911 is "the 'okay' semiauto," now? Of all the cockamamy gun-ban conspiracy theories.  :facepalm:

Besides, that would only ban Glocks, et al, until low-cap mags can be produced. And if mag capacity is the only reason you're shooting a WonderForty, then I guess the 1911 is pretty awesome, after all.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2013, 01:11:27 PM »
then I guess the 1911 is pretty awesome, after all.

Well, there was never any doubt.  =D
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2013, 01:34:22 PM »
The 1911 is "the 'okay' semiauto," now? Of all the cockamamy gun-ban conspiracy theories.  :facepalm:

Besides, that would only ban Glocks, et al, until low-cap mags can be produced. And if mag capacity is the only reason you're shooting a WonderForty, then I guess the 1911 is pretty awesome, after all.

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2013, 01:45:00 PM »
Some of us run our 1911s with eight-round mags.  Oops.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2013, 01:48:15 PM »
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2013, 01:49:43 PM »
Some of us run our 1911s with eight-round mags.  Oops.

Apparently the NRA hates 8 rounds.  You're screwed.

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2013, 02:01:58 PM »
I think we would all do well to avoid attributing to malice what can be explained by stupidity.


This is probably how that convo went...

Dumbass 1: Hey, we gotta get rid of these automatic death weapons and make it so people can only buy revolvers. But banning the airport-scanner proof death guns won't work because of the NRA. So what do we do?
Dumbass 2: OK... revolvers have what... 6 or 7 bullets in the spinny clip?
Dumbass 1: Yeah. But you're dumb. it's called a rotating magazine. I saw that on CSI.
Dumbass 2: OK. let's make it so that clips can only have 7 bullets. That way, all the plastic terror guns are illegal!
Dumbass 1: BRILLIANT!

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2013, 02:12:44 PM »
Fitz had exactly the same thought process I had.  This is just another way to get rid of all semiautos rather than showing favoritism.

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2013, 02:19:58 PM »
Apparently the NRA hates 8 rounds.  You're screwed.

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I think we would all do well to avoid attributing to malice what can be explained by stupidity.


This is probably how that convo went...

Dumbass 1: Hey, we gotta get rid of these automatic death weapons and make it so people can only buy revolvers. But banning the airport-scanner proof death guns won't work because of the NRA. So what do we do?
Dumbass 2: OK... revolvers have what... 6 or 7 bullets in the spinny clip?
Dumbass 1: Yeah. But you're dumb. it's called a rotating magazine. I saw that on CSI.
Dumbass 2: OK. let's make it so that clips can only have 7 bullets. That way, all the plastic terror guns are illegal!
Dumbass 1: BRILLIANT!

Both dumbasses go drink craft bear at a co-op

Don't forget that they burned some patchouli.  =D


They probably saw that the S&W 627 has 8 rounds and thought that was way to much, so let's just go with one lower and we can get the gun nuts closer to what they should have which is muskets.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2013, 02:44:06 PM »
Who says this flies legally?  And where is the NRA backing this?
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2013, 02:47:38 PM »
Some of us run our 1911s with eight-round mags.  Oops.

Was going to post this. I have 9 mags for mine, 6 of which are 8 rounders.  =|

(I wonder how many of these twits would have aneurisms if they saw my normal CCW: SIG P226 with 20 round mags.  >:D)

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2013, 02:48:39 PM »
25 or 6 to 4?
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2013, 03:19:48 PM »
If something like this was implemented, I would be interested in what the workaround is and how soon it comes out. We're real good at that stuff in CA. We have the "bullet button" for ARs, and though we have our stupid "safe handgun" list that prohibits a whole bunch of pistols, we can pretty much get any of them legally using what's called the Single Shot Exemption (SSE). The way it works is:

Choose the evil handgun you want.
Send it to an FFL that does the SSE conversion (there are a half dozen or so)
That FFL will remove your barrel and replace it with a 6" or greater length barrel
That FFL will replace the magazine that came with your pistol with a blocked mag that only accepts one round
That FFL will then ship the pistol in that configuration, with your original parts, to your local FFL
After your 10 day wait, you pick up your single shot pistol with the long ass barrel and take it home
At home, you remove the 6" barrel and blocked mag, replace with the originals, and send the borrowed barrel and mag back to the SSE FFL
You now have a CA legal pistol not on the "safe handgun" list

It costs around $150 on top of whatever the pistol cost, but the point is, whatever lame ass restrictions they pass, smart people find a workaround. I don't want to see any restrictions, but the antis usually get outsmarted on any they pass.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2013, 04:07:11 PM »
Who says this flies legally? 
Nobody except the ones who wrote it.

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2013, 04:20:54 PM »
Whiskey tango fox?
1) standard 1911 mags are 8 rounds
2) no where in the article does it say that the NRA was involved in this at all.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2013, 04:38:41 PM »
Everyone should own a 1911.  Everything else is an affront unto G-d, and JMB.  BBHN.
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