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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2013, 06:27:40 PM »
I think it is a game of political one-upmanship.  See we are even more stringent than the Feds.

This.

Lots of current 1911s are sold with 8-round mags these days anyways, aren't they? My Kimber was, back in the late 90s, and there are more models today selling with CMC magazines (for example) than there were then.

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2013, 08:51:00 PM »
25 or 6 to 4?

No, NYC.  I am sure Rahm Emanuel will come up with a dumbazz restriction of his own.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2013, 08:56:33 PM »
They had a closed-door session over the weekend.  No one heard about this until today.  Cuomo is declaring some kind of emergency exception so that they don't need to wait for public comment before a vote.  They want to vote on it and sign it today.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2013, 09:11:46 PM »
If something like this was implemented, I would be interested in what the workaround is and how soon it comes out. We're real good at that stuff in CA. We have the "bullet button" for ARs, and though we have our stupid "safe handgun" list that prohibits a whole bunch of pistols, we can pretty much get any of them legally using what's called the Single Shot Exemption (SSE). The way it works is:

My guess is they'll just take a normal magazine and put a block and shorter spring in it so it will only accept seven rounds. Either that they'll turn the double-stack magazines into a single stack and either make the walls thicker or have an inside partition to keep the outside dimensions the same. The blocked magazine would be fairly easy to turn back into a normal capacity mag, but the conversion probably wouldn't be legal.

I still don't see how this survives the "in common use" test, though.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2013, 11:02:23 PM »
This information was shared with the AP by 5 anonymous sources inside the NY legislature.  They claim they are poised to pass it them all tonight. and Cuomo will sign immediately.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2013, 12:05:59 AM »
This just passed our Senate 43-18

In case you aren't all up on NYS politics, the Senate is where gun bills go to die.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2013, 12:11:13 AM »
On to Cuomo or does it require a vote by a 2nd body (such as a "House")?

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2013, 12:12:58 AM »
I'm sorry to hear this. Sounds like you guys now might be more screwed than CA. Might not be for long though - not wanting to miss being on the popular train, CA is looking at even more Draconian laws right now.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2013, 12:16:01 AM »
I'm having a hard time figuring how these state AWB's can stand post Heller. Assuming a case works it's way through the courts before Obama can pack the SCOTUS. And IIRC, the first two likely deaths/retirements are liberals anyway.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2013, 01:24:05 AM »
On to Cuomo or does it require a vote by a 2nd body (such as a "House")?

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Yes, but we call it the "Assembly", which is only 2 seats away from being a supermajority of Democrats.  It's a lock.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2013, 03:08:33 AM »
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2013, 04:28:52 AM »
Was just reading something elsewhere and saw a theory that is far more likely than 1911 protectionism: The 7 round limit was tailored for the M1 Garand, as its en-bloc clip holds 8 rounds.  =|
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2013, 09:05:32 AM »
Was just reading something elsewhere and saw a theory that is far more likely than 1911 protectionism: The 7 round limit was tailored for the M1 Garand, as its en-bloc clip holds 8 rounds.  =|

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2013, 09:27:28 AM »
Was just reading something elsewhere and saw a theory that is far more likely than 1911 protectionism: The 7 round limit was tailored for the M1 Garand, as its en-bloc clip holds 8 rounds.  =|

So, by this premise, a veteran who carried this rifle, a global symbol of American freedom, sacrifice, and generosity, or a descendant who inherited one, would become a criminal for possession of an en bloc clip?

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2013, 09:59:27 AM »
Was just reading something elsewhere and saw a theory that is far more likely than 1911 protectionism: The 7 round limit was tailored for the M1 Garand, as its en-bloc clip holds 8 rounds.  =|

I agree.  Same thought came to me last night, actually.


However, enbloc clips exist that hold 2rds on one side and 5rds on the other side... 2rds for competitive shooting and 5rds for states that restrict hunting capacity.  I have a couple of these clips.

So theoretically, the Garand itself is still not banned in NY, just the natural 8rd clips, since the rifle can be made to function with limited size clips.  Yes?
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2013, 10:04:00 AM »
I agree.  Same thought came to me last night, actually.


However, enbloc clips exist that hold 2rds on one side and 5rds on the other side... 2rds for competitive shooting and 5rds for states that restrict hunting capacity.  I have a couple of these clips.

So theoretically, the Garand itself is still not banned in NY, just the natural 8rd clips, since the rifle can be made to function with limited size clips.  Yes?

Who knows.  No one until we read the text of the bill
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2013, 10:06:48 AM »
I hate the thought that they've castrated the Garand (and that CA may just copy them). Making lemonade out of lemons, Enblock clips, I imagine, are cheap and easy to produce. Someone will get with China and start selling seven round clips.

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2013, 10:16:16 AM »
I hate the thought that they've castrated the Garand (and that CA may just copy them). Making lemonade out of lemons, Enblock clips, I imagine, are cheap and easy to produce. Someone will get with China and start selling seven round clips.



Probably 5rd, too.  Mostly so they don't have to make 3rd clips.

So many Garands get sold to CMP'ers that shoot C&R matches and get told to load 10rds in 2 magazines for a string of fire.  To do 7's, you'd need a corresponding 3rd clip.

5rd clips simplify product availability for that purpose, as well as for hunting (5rds is a common maximum for semiauto hunting capacity, while I believe some other states limit max capacity to 4rds). 
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2013, 10:20:24 AM »
Long text is *expletive deleted*ing long, and I don't have the patience to cut it up into a format that will fit into the 20000 character limit in this board, so I'm just linking to another board:
http://wethearmed.com/general-firearms-discussion/new-york-gun-legislation-passed/msg313078/#msg313078
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2013, 05:37:00 PM »
The other side of this crappy coin is that we may see some new designs built up around 7 round mags...Might get some nice carry guns this way.


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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2013, 05:56:12 PM »
I guess you all know that this bill was signed by the Cuomo today.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2013, 05:58:18 PM »
The other side of this crappy coin is that we may see some new designs built up around 7 round mags...Might get some nice carry guns this way.


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I'm hoping more gun companies "go Barrett" on governments.  As in, refuse to sell to them.
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2013, 06:03:29 PM »
I'm hoping more gun companies "go Barrett" on governments.  As in, refuse to sell to them.
This I agree with.  No company should sell a firearm or firearm component to any NYS agency that violates the law they just passed at it applies to us lesser citizens.  No new 30rd magazines for their existing patrol AR's, no new AR's, no Glock magazines, and etc.

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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2013, 06:31:04 PM »
do we need a constitutional amendment that states law enforcement are citizens too?
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Re: NRA 1911 Protectionism? NY supposedly will have 7rd mag limit
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2013, 06:39:41 PM »
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